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作者: miutang 時間: 12-5-8 16:54 標題: 與一名德望畢業生對話後感

最近請了一個ＩＮＴＥＲＮ，她現在是某大學的二年級學生，現兼職形式來我們公司工作。她１２年來都是讀德望，我問她會否讓未來的女兒入讀此校，她郤說一定唔會，因校內很多政治斗爭，老師轉得快，叻的同學都只是本身叻，而體育叻的同學，因大都學術水平低，上中六時便會被學校淘汰。

我相信這位小妹妹對母校的批評只屬個人意見。但本人覺得感觸的是我們一路以為幫小朋友選擇最好既路，但到頭來，孩子是否這樣諗及感恩呢？私校／直資係咪真係咁好呢？花了的金錢會否就是換來這樣的評價呢？

作者: 金毛B媽 時間: 12-5-8 17:04

有沒有問她, 有什麼政治斗爭 ? 何否具體說明一下 ?

作者: miutang 時間: 12-5-8 17:10

她說試過成班英文老師因不滿校長而拉隊走人，學校只請返經驗淺的老師，另教會亦試過炒左個校長，人事很多變化，老師們無心戀戰。（講緊中學部）

另校長多是從加拿大派來的修女做，所以對香港教育制度不清楚。

註：佢個人用家意見咋。

作者: BBG1 時間: 12-5-8 17:21

報紙都有提過

作者: 金毛B媽 時間: 12-5-8 17:30

嘩......... 真係唔知係咁呢 ? 咁送唔送個囡入去好 ( 不過人地無收我個囡)

作者: pandabonita 時間: 12-5-8 17:33

只是路過。這件事不是已成過去嗎？最重要是現任校長和老師做得好不好。

作者: miutang 時間: 12-5-8 17:42

其實我不是想討論呢間學校係好定唔好，只不過想帶出討論係，我們花心機時間金錢去比孩子讀私校或直資，但原來有可能唔係心目中的好。當然官津都有好同唔好，但起碼在付出上比私校或直資少些吧。

有這樣的反思是因為我一直想如果抽到不錯的地區學校，應否不去讀九龍塘的私立小學呢。

作者: Gerard 時間: 12-5-8 17:53 標題: 回覆：與一名德望畢業生對話後感

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作者: ChiChiPaPa 時間: 12-5-8 17:54

她是大二學生,而她説在德望12年,那她應是拔尖入大學。如果是的話,她説叻的學生是自己叻,是想别人知道她的成就來自她自己的努力。

作者: pandabonita 時間: 12-5-8 17:57

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都５一定ｇａ，　有朋友讀喇沙，用在補習和ｅｃａ　ｄ　＄　和　ｉｓ　學費差不多，與其話ｃ校ｄｓｓ，不如話一部份傳統名校。掉轉頭諗，一些有教無類的學校又會比人話淺，５夠競掙力....

作者: addamama 時間: 12-5-8 18:38

just my own experience - i was graduated in a renowned girls' school (long time ago). When I talked to colleagues or friends who graduated from those reputable schools, all of us have similar comment - school teachers may not help us much in getting good results. It's more depended on our own discipline and study. So family education is very important.

作者: seamama 時間: 12-5-8 18:45 標題: 回覆：與一名德望畢業生對話後感

我只可以話佢仲細，我敢肯定當有一日佢做媽媽嘅時候，佢嘅答案一定不一樣

作者: seamama 時間: 12-5-8 18:55 標題: 回覆：與一名德望畢業生對話後感

GH學生係非常自信同有主見，buy唔buy就見人見智，的而且確運動叻嗰d讀書係麻麻，但佢冇話你知嗰d運動健將根本唔喺德望大（即係好似香港運動員根本唔喺香港大），喺德望大嗰d大多成績好

作者: luilui007 時間: 12-5-8 19:14

每一間都有人話好同唔好, 相信女拔同瑪記都有一樣有人不認同, 故大家要從中取得平衡, 但我相信名校學生要靠自己多於靠老師, 但你地唔選相信會好多家長會多謝你, 我係其中一個

作者: miutang 時間: 12-5-8 19:17 標題: 回覆：與一名德望畢業生對話後感

應該是讀了13年，我寫錯。有時覚得人生要做好多決定，是對是錯，真的要由時間去判斷。無疑是小妹妹的母親已安排了不錯的路，希望佢做人媽媽時會感受到這美意。

作者: 宏媽 時間: 12-5-8 19:18

我想講的說話可能得罪好多人，不過我都係想講一下我與不同的人共事後，對不同女校畢業的學生的印象。

DGS（二人） - 自信爆膨，有料，入得廚房，出得廳堂，老公都係頂尖人才，　open minded
BPS (五六人）﹣自信，斯文，細心，能幹
聖保祿　（五六人）　﹣　自信，斯文，有料，勤力
德望　（二人）﹣有料，細心，自大，自我中心，眼光狹窄

僅憑我遇到的人作評論，無科學性支持。

作者: 莎莎莉莉 時間: 12-5-8 20:25

名校係咁架喎, 我識人st paul畢業, 一樣係咁講, 同學之間互相傾軋, 斗爭不斷

作者: HaYi 時間: 12-5-8 20:27

那女孩都上大學, 她媽相信亦冇咩需要後悔.

我相信校長教師之間的問題官津直資私立都有機會發生, 以此作為選不選某校的條件又似乎不太實際,

我反而覺得要睇下一間學校有冇發展出一套製度, 在人事轉變的時候, 學校的大方向仍能不受太大的影響, 此更為重要. 否則明星校長明星老師一日不在位, 學校就出亂子, 學生會受很大影響.

作者: 莎莎莉莉 時間: 12-5-8 20:28

miutang 發表於 12-5-8 17:42
其實我不是想討論呢間學校係好定唔好，只不過想帶出討論係，我們花心機時間金錢去比孩子讀私校或直資，但原 ...

我會睇番間學校係點囉
唔一定好, 也唔一定唔好.
我只係喜歡直資自由度大d
不過唔多喜歡直資學校的家長, 好多時有點自大, 自以為是,
覺得自己俾左錢就諸多意見, 但自己又唔係教育出身....
好多時d諗法唔係真係為小朋友著想

作者: 莎莎莉莉 時間: 12-5-8 20:28

自信心強, 其實好多女校都會訓練出呢類性格的女仔.

作者: janicetsang 時間: 12-5-8 22:05

好多時，我們也會抱怨身處的環境唔夠好。譬如說，有幾多在職人士好滿意自己間公司／老細?
相信當初女孩的媽媽只希望她不要學壞，入到大學已滿意／足夠。
觀乎咁多名校父母也喜歡把子女安排在母校就讀，相信這女孩為人父母時想法可能改變。

作者: anthony010103 時間: 12-5-8 22:14

u may only regard her experience as one sample out of a big population. All sots of things mentioned are time-varying. Perhaps the current situations have changed. I may treat her comment for reference only. My opinions only.

作者: GHcat 時間: 12-5-9 08:35 標題: 引用：她說試過成班英文老師因不滿校長而拉隊走人

原帖由 miutang 於 12-05-08 發表
她說試過成班英文老師因不滿校長而拉隊走人，學校只請返經驗淺的老師，另教會亦試過炒左個校長，人事很多變 ...

I am a past student of Good Hope too. I think what this "alumna" said is half true. Yes many teachers left but with different reasons. Some have also returned and stayed when the former principal was gone.

It were aged ago that sisters from Canada took the role of principals.

Usually students may get different pictures from different teachers.

作者: himuimui 時間: 12-5-9 09:03

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作者: hyatt 時間: 12-5-9 09:10

this is an interesting topic, i also want to know if there is any comment on boys school.

作者: jimb 時間: 12-5-9 09:59

I also graduated from famous girl school , Heep Yunn. It is true that many students who are good at sports, are usuallly do not do very well in academic. Just like my cousin who is able to get a place in Heep Yunn because she is good at swimming. The swimming coach recommended her to Heep Yunn. So if you are just an "ordinary student", not have an outstanding performance neither sports or academic .you will "ignore" by the teachers.

作者: reneeleung 時間: 12-5-9 10:18

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作者: KK07 時間: 12-5-9 11:41

Politics appear anywhere when there is a group of people. Regardless 名校or not. I think most important of all is that principal, teachers and management put the interests of the students as the top priority, and the school's cirriculum plays a more important role to educate good students. So, learning of these comment should not be a vital factor of choosing school for your child.

作者: Joe8889 時間: 12-5-9 11:51

I think it is normal for reputable school.
Teacher wouldn't help you much.

作者: lovegirlslove 時間: 12-5-9 12:18

本帖最後由 lovegirlslove 於 12-5-9 12:20 編輯

好多時家長讀個間學校, 見野多, 都唔係好想自己D仔女第日讀返個間.

我中學都係地區BAND 1 英中, 但都唔想小朋友第日讀返…

作者: JustAParent 時間: 12-5-9 12:32

宏媽發表於 12-5-8 19:18
我想講的說話可能得罪好多人，不過我都係想講一下我與不同的人共事後，對不同女校畢業的學生的印象。

DGS ...

我很懷疑不同學校的學生是否真的有如此清楚可辨認的特質, 以上所說的, 很可能是得知他們背景後, 再以逆向分類得出的結論. 其實, 上述的優點('老公都係頂尖人才' 不計,也想不到和學校有何關係),本來就是全人教育的目標, 如果不同名校也只能教出這種'片面不全人'學生, 香港的教育還真失敗.

作者: tanglulu 時間: 12-5-9 12:50

i am GH old girl, i can't say that all of our achievement are coming from the school or the teachers. i always think that learning is a self directed process, and is pretty much depends on how many effort you are willing to put in, teachers are only the ones to guide you through the way. and peer pressure is quite an important factor that will influence student's attitude and attitudes will affects end result. but i am sure that GH students could provide a positive peer pressure to your daughter and lead her to be serious in learning, in fact, it happens in many famous school.

作者: Tang614 時間: 12-5-9 15:39

It seems the previous two posts from the two GH alumnus have quite many grammatical mistakes. I hope that is just the result of fast typing......Otherwise, I would believe what the girl said is true. Sorry if I offended anyone.

作者: tanglulu 時間: 12-5-9 16:19

haha, no need to be too serious, is only facebook typed message, i won't really spend time to check my gramma or spelling, and it should not be the focuse, right?....but is funny that everytime when i try to tell parents more about my learning life in GH, i will usually be accused of my gramma and spelling instead of the content, focuse always being shifted.... this is already not the first time,but it will not happen in my many other threads whihc is not GH related.......strange....

作者: tanglulu 時間: 12-5-9 16:21

oh, sorry, should be ''focus'' instead of ''focuse''

作者: Tang614 時間: 12-5-9 16:23

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Haha... right.... don't take it serious. :)

By the way, my wife is a GoodHoper, too. Hope she won't pinch my ear when she saw my post. heehee

作者: GHcat 時間: 12-5-9 17:38 標題: 回覆：Tang614 的帖子

I am using iPhone to type and of course I am also emotional when I see my Alma Mater being talked about in public.

作者: tanglulu 時間: 12-5-10 11:20

things being done out of good intention should always be treasured, that is what my school taught me.
i always have that in my mind

作者: retriever 時間: 12-5-10 12:49

大家可能忽略左在談論的學校是一間女校... 所以多是非爭鬥真係唔出奇....

唔知男校又係點

作者: ggbwong 時間: 12-5-10 12:59

As I know, at least 8-10 teachers leave each year (in secondary section).

作者: tko-parent 時間: 12-5-10 13:08

其實這情況不應說德望，間間學校都會有，不分私校、直資、津校。
就好像間間公司都有人事糾紛，權力斗爭一樣。

> 上述的優點('老公都係頂尖人才' 不計,也想不到和學校有何關係),

這句好得意，同意，不單是不計，我知好多 DG 囡囡太叻，男人頂唔順，最後嫁吾去，做左盛女！

作者: kingtex 時間: 12-5-26 08:04 標題: 回覆：miutang 的帖子

這位德望舊生不會給自己的女再讀母校，她有冇後悔讀德望呢?

作者: maggieddie 時間: 12-5-26 08:33 標題: 回覆：與一名德望畢業生對話後感

我是st paul舊生依家已為人母出來工作十多年一直對德望學生感覺麻麻佢哋好勝心強只可以贏唔輸得
每年英文朗誦比賽 st paul同德望都鬥得好緊要大家叮噹馬頭唔係你第一就我哋第一有年我哋攞左冠軍佢哋好仇視我哋喺洗手間內仲要俾說話我哋聽閙我哋一路等旅遊車一路全班人一齊怒視我哋我就覺得佢地好無品洗唔洗咁！

作者: williskg 時間: 12-5-26 23:06

其實間間學校都係咁㗎啦，冇競爭，冇進步。
我好相信唔係德望係咁，可能女拔，男拔，la salle同聖保羅男女都係咁。讀書同做嘢冇分別！

作者: luilui007 時間: 12-5-27 00:14

我相信每一間都會有這些都唔出奇, 但這些文章好明顯都是衝著德望而來

作者: parentslove 時間: 12-5-27 00:57

From the above comments on Good Hope Primary School, my daughter and me (parent) found not fair. As parent, I believed I sent my daughter to this school with proud and she is quite enjoy her school life so much. The girls there are simple and discipline. Don't make the school so complicated. My daughter loves her teachers so much and would like to be one of them.

作者: zerocoolmama 時間: 12-5-27 01:20

parentslove 發表於 12-5-27 00:57
From the above comments on Good Hope Primary School, my daughter and me (parent) found not fair. As ...

Don't take it seriously. Just keep life simple. I'm glad to know that your daughter likes her teachers.

作者: GHcat 時間: 12-5-27 01:42 標題: 回覆：zerocoolmama 的帖子

I also find a lot of unfair and untrue comments about Good Hope. Don't understand why

作者: jantan28 時間: 12-5-27 08:29 標題: 回覆：與一名德望畢業生對話後感

我都係GoodHoper, 係中一先入去中學部嘅...讀緊或剛畢業時都會覺得其實間學校都唔係好好咁.....但到而家做咗人母,就會諗我嗰個係女就好啦可以容易d入番德望。我老公係教緊一間band2中學,平時聽番佢講番d學生先生,就深深感受到好的學校並不是老師最大影響.....係朋輩間嘅學習風氣同氣氛最能激發一個人自我讀書的推動力! 名校都會有d麻麻地教得唔好的老師,但係出來個個成績都唔會差!我嗰年理科班100%入U㗎！

作者: 青青河邊草 時間: 12-5-27 09:03

jantan28 發表於 12-5-27 08:29
我都係GoodHoper, 係中一先入去中學部嘅...讀緊或剛畢業時都會覺得其實間學校都唔係好好咁.....但到而家做 ...

無人會反對呢樣野, 名校=校風一定好, 係大家的期望.
但問題只在於香港唔少家長, 眼中會認為只有名校先係校風好既學校./
於是每年放榜, 不論中小學, 都見到D眼淚漣漣的家長,
原因,, 係入唔到心目中果種名校.
把整個社會的氣氛推到如此緊張.
但返過頭來又批評香港的教育情況對小朋友壓力太大.
家長有無諗過, 自己係造成這種局面的推動者???

band 2中學係, 一定有唔好學生, 但係咪一定無乖學生呢?
如果小朋友只係得band2 level, 係咪入band 2學校, 佢就一世抬唔起頭做人呢?

作者: tanglulu 時間: 12-5-28 13:13

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2001parent,
may i know what kind of attitude that you are not agree with? if you are still talking about those gramma stuff,
sorry, maybe we share different view. but it won't discourage me from sharing my true experiences to help other sincere parents.

and i think the attitude of criticising others rather than a frutiful discussion on the related topic is not a good parctice that should be encouraged in bk too.

作者: williskg 時間: 12-5-28 20:32

I know some good hoper, too. and most of them are now parents. they are smart and bright and not as somebody said that they like to show off. One of them even give up a very good job and become a good mum. Her son now become the very top tier in DBSPD.

作者: lugano 時間: 12-5-29 09:27

reneeleung 發表於 12-5-9 10:18
每間學校都有政治斗爭, 正常不過, 小學和中學都是一樣. 只不過家長和學生知唔知咁解.

我又唔覺德望老師走好多, 相比起有些直資. 佢地委員會總算是壓得住場.

放心. 都係果句, 入到先算. ...

一針見血....... good point

學校 / 公司 / 社會都有鬥爭，有乜咁出奇，呢 D 傳聞每年都有，但就算有幾多人不滿 GHS，形容到 GHS 好似中左輻射咁，我相信明年依然咁多人報名，名校始終都係名校，個世界就係咁 Run。

GHS 始終都係我心目中一所有份量名校

作者: CoffeeCake 時間: 12-5-29 15:19

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我都想講,我身邊頗多DG女既感情生活係比較差,不過難怪,都好難接受要"嫁下去".

作者: SalasIwak 時間: 12-5-30 17:15

"叻的同學都只是本身叻".
即本身三歲時已被牛津劍橋取錄五歲時已被請為講帥果D係咪呀.
到夠歲數就回港入去中學純係為左近自己屋企見下家人同埋HEA下時間,
得閒又用筆名寫書咁果D啦係咪呀.
問題真的只和別人有關嗎. 沒思想的嗎？

作者: lugano 時間: 12-5-30 18:34

hyatt 發表於 12-5-9 09:10
this is an interesting topic, i also want to know if there is any comment on boys school.

比較各男校學生的 Stereotype ?

Seemingly interesting......

作者: fatanna123 時間: 12-5-30 23:16 標題: 回覆：pandabonita 的帖子

係呀，而家d細路好慘，又要上學，又要去補習，如成績不好的話，老師又話你資質有問題，永遠都不關老師事！

作者: tko-parent 時間: 12-5-31 09:18

老實講，真係吾太關老師事，名校大都無小班，一班 30 人至 40 人（e.g. GH)，老師上堂有盡力教已好好，之後真係要睇小朋友吸收和家長的支援，好似 GH 出名谷，你真係谷吾上，退一步海闊天空，搵間一般津校讀，開開心心，壓力細 D，輕鬆 D，好難要求人地老師幫你做買補習，係吾係？

作者: Jackieson 時間: 12-5-31 17:17

tko-parent 發表於 12-5-31 09:18
老實講，真係吾太關老師事，名校大都無小班，一班 30 人至 40 人（e.g. GH)，老師上堂有盡力教已好好，之後 ...

其實我覺得老C&同學同樣重要, 好似阿仔吾鐘意班主任, 所以數學(班主任教)冇心機, 反而奧數攞到獎(因吾係班主任教)! 而同學就近朱者尺, 人玩什魔佢又玩, 人做什魔佢又做. 當然要睇小朋友的性格啦.

作者: Jackieson 時間: 12-5-31 17:28

williskg 發表於 12-5-26 23:06
其實間間學校都係咁㗎啦，冇競爭，冇進步。
我好相信唔係德望係咁，可能女拔，男拔，la salle同聖保羅男女 ...

其實始終係人既問題, 男校又咪咁, 記得當年學校打校隊, DB仔係度叫: 狗公, 汪汪汪, 好無品. (註: 狗公係一間學校名), 最後輸左仲當場哭tim; 喇記有$, 仲在周邊放左幾部攝錄機, 好有氣勢架! Anyway, many parents like 名校, me too!

作者: cherrychris 時間: 12-5-31 19:13

回復 jantan28 的帖子

Hi, I'm a Goodhoper too... is it easier to let my girl to get a seat in GH...

Despite this post is so negetive about GH... I definitely would like my girl to grow up in Good Hope!!

Don't bother others... haha..

作者: Haz-mama 時間: 12-5-31 19:27

回復 miutang 的帖子

為什麼一定要到讀九龍塘的私小? 其實有些他區的私小也不錯呢! 當然以津小為首選, 想想 -- 要支付6年私小的學費也不便宜, 大家也不知道孩子是否適合這所學校, 但是, 給予孩子的支持是最重要啊!! 大家努力! 加油!!

作者: Jackieson 時間: 12-6-1 09:37

miutang 發表於 12-5-8 17:42
其實我不是想討論呢間學校係好定唔好，只不過想帶出討論係，我們花心機時間金錢去比孩子讀私校或直資，但原 ...

講返樓主想帶出討論係: "我們花心機時間金錢去比孩子讀私校或直資，但原來有可能唔係心目中的好。"

大家又睇吓呢條link 的另一個同樓主有similar case的 "kuper" (106#)的見解及討論:
http://www.edu-kingdom.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=2385603&extra=page%3D2&page=6

and
http://www.edu-kingdom.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=2385603&extra=page%3D2&page=1

作者: Carelesswhisper 時間: 12-6-3 10:42 標題: 回覆：與一名德望畢業生對話後感

其實都要睇下學生和家長跟學校有無錯配，如果與期望有偏差，家長和學生便會說後悔了！但沒有學校是完美的！
學校提供優質教學資源，都要睇學生吸收能力，學習態度和熱誠，靠學生自己造化！家長會加以引導和協助，但實際上助力有限！
德望女普遍都有自信和語文能力（尤其英文）較高，亦普遍熱愛學校生話，學習氣氛也不錯！

申報利益：現任小六家長，小女九月升上中學部

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