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標題: ADD小朋友, 有冇媽媽試過靠食療和supplement控制? [打印本頁]
作者: elmostoney 時間: 12-5-3 11:42 標題: ADD小朋友, 有冇媽媽試過靠食療和supplement控制?
有冇人對feingold diet有經驗, 又或以某些草本精華及supplement為本 (如brahmi, gingko, 魚油 (epa+dha 一天合共500mg)等). 女兒暫被定為有mild ADD, 最大影響係上課完全聽唔到老師講物, 又成日唔記得好多野, 我帶左佢去做一次感統治療, 以後會定期一週一次, 想試下配合diet & supplement, 唔想咁快諗食藥. 有冇人可以分享?
作者: myson727 時間: 12-5-3 12:51
試下戒牛奶及小麥，即GFCF。
supplement方面 (視乎情況，我仔食緊以下supplement:)
- 如果腸道有惡菌，可食殺菌藥及補充益新菌。
- 魚油 、亞麻子油補充奧米加3 & 6
- 維他命:B12、B6
- 礦物質: 鎂
- ....
作者: 小倩 時間: 12-5-4 00:31
myson727 發表於 12-5-3 12:51 
試下戒牛奶及小麥，即GFCF。
supplement方面 (視乎情況，我仔食緊以下supplement:)
- 如果腸道有惡菌，可食 ...
作者: myson727 時間: 12-5-4 11:50
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我仔都好喜歡食麵包，之前仲每日飲盒牛奶，喜歡食麵、意大利粉。
後期驗屎，才知有腸痰(即腸內膜免疫力指數Secretory IgA 超高)，所以要戒。
原因如下:
"進食含穀膠蛋白 (包括小麥、大麥、黑麥、燕麥) 及含酪蛋白(牛奶) 的食物後，不能代謝及消化此兩種蛋白質，從而產生麥醇溶蛋白 (gliadin)。當人體腸道菌落生態失衡，有害酵母便會伺機植根。酵母會分泌毒素，而這些毒素會在腸壁鑽小洞，導致「腸漏症候群」。先前不能被消化的殘餘蛋白質，形成鴉片縮氨酸 (opioid peptide) ，其性質好像嗎啡一樣經由小洞進入血管，最終傳送至腦部，影響荷爾蒙分泌及調節，導致失眠、專注力弱、過度活躍、躁狂、自殘行為等。這些殘餘物質好像毒品一樣，導致上癮，如身體缺乏這些物質便會出現像「吊癮」一樣的行為問題，因此，戒絕含穀膠、酪蛋白的食物初期，亦會出現一些負面反應 (dieoffs) ，這是無可避免的。嚴格控制穀膠及酪蛋白的攝取，會降低鴉片縮氨酸水平，..."
http://www.littlegiant.com.hk/common/fz-zb-detail.html#fz1
作者: faye525 時間: 12-5-6 17:30
魚油真係唔係個個adhd小朋友岩食...
我個女食完魚油....仲衰過未睇醫生前...
一停左...一星期到變返好...
作者: myson727 時間: 12-5-6 21:09
Supplyment都是藥，都唔可以靠估，幫我仔做生物療法的醫生，按我仔驗血、屎、尿等的報告，按他缺少的營養，開藥給他。
作者: chansiub 時間: 12-5-7 16:59 標題: 回覆：elmostoney 的帖子
You can try homeopathy. I heard that the result is good on kids with behavioral issues. I brought my kids to see homeopath when they are not feeling well. But you have to be careful when picking homeopath. There are some bad one in the market.
作者: HgI 時間: 12-5-8 01:01
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請問你睇緊邊位homeopathy醫師? 可否PM我? Thanks!
作者: elmostoney 時間: 12-5-16 10:42
i put my kids on homeopathic otc medicine only when they are sick (regular cold and flu). Result seems to be quite well.
I go to see IMI. May be I should get her tested for food allergy as well.
Myson727, where did you get your son tested?
至於牛奶, 我幾年前已幫兩個戒左, 因為我知唔好, 不過就唔會戒得好清, 有時食飯有芝士牛油, 不過又唔係日日食, 我就由佢. 我都知gluten唔好, 曾試過自製gluten free 麵包, 但阿女唔食. 最近一年, 我開始買糙米pasta比佢, 帶返學校食就一定係會帶brown rice pasta, 係出街或有時有客人來食, 先會食返wheat pasta.
作者: myson727 時間: 12-5-16 17:41
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我是經幫我仔做"生物療法"醫生，寄D屎、尿、血去外國驗重金屬、食物敏感、腸道惡菌、新陳待謝系統、營養....。因每個test都有特定的樣本收集工具與方法。
戒牛奶及小麥，要100%，如腸道有惡菌，要食藥殺左D惡菌才有效果。
作者: chansiub 時間: 12-5-16 17:57 標題: 回覆：elmostoney 的帖子
Are you seeing the homeopath at IMI?
作者: myson727 時間: 12-5-17 09:16
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關於牛奶的問題，可睇睇以下條片
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bt-8ZFDN-c
作者: elmostoney 時間: 12-5-17 12:34
myson, 我有興趣做個test, 可否pm資料比我. 之前有人介紹我用 neurogistics.com, 但我未做過. 牛奶問題, 因我個細仔係lactose intolerant, 所以四年前得知後, 我都做左好多research, 如果小朋友飲奶係飲羊奶, yogurt極少食, cheese同牛油都係因為煮開野, 味餸有先會食d, 平時返學唔會特登整芝士麵包呢d. 都怪牛奶lobbiest太強大, 廣告同係外國政府勢力都好大, 所以大家先有誤解. 而家我自己都唔飲奶. casien本身係至癌, 再加上牛有四個胃, 所以佢地嘅奶根本唔meant for人類飲用, 而且而家d牛太多激素, 牛奶本身都難免有, 絕非如廣告所言有益.
chansiub, i don't regularly go there. dont' see the need.
作者: elmostoney 時間: 12-5-17 12:38
actually, 我學識左一樣野, 就係唔比小朋友打vaccine! 而家有research 初步顯示, add/adhd/autism同vaccine中水銀或其他作為preservative的chemical有關, 因為佢地會破壞D nerves, 咁對成長中小朋友影響會更大. 而過去二十多三十年, 小朋友要打的vaccine係要倍數增加. 我個女就係針針都打哂, 連肺鍊都打埋, 佢而家好大可能有add/adhd, 只係唔算好嚴重. 我個仔出世到而家打左兩針, 佢好地地, 物事都冇.
作者: chansiub 時間: 12-5-17 16:17 標題: 回覆：elmostoney 的帖子
Homeopath is effective in treating ADD/ADHD. Why don't you give it a try?
作者: siukingkwok 時間: 12-5-18 12:42
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作者: smallfoothk 時間: 12-5-18 18:36
朋友的小朋友有少少,但佢冇食藥,佢知藥有副作用,佢改變小食習慣,少吃冇益小食,每日吃omega3鱼丸,生果味c片,小朋友鈣片,司各脫軟糖,即食紫菜....以上當小食及糖果,佢話都有幫助成績變好咗(以前不合格,現合格),勤力咗温習,....不妨一試,大要看医生
作者: elmostoney 時間: 12-6-7 09:48
同大家分享一下我個女嘅進度.
早幾個月已睇左兒童心理學家, 佢話唔能夠百份百肯定阿女有ADD, 只能話一半一半, 要等多一年, 佢大d先能確定. 學校老師話佢教書30年, 好肯定阿女係ADD, 佢話如果再過一兩年都係而家咁, 就最好考慮食藥, 佢話叫到好多小朋友, 食左藥, 真係差好遠. 中間我都係睇過下therapist, 做d運動咁, 但冇物幫助.
作為阿媽嘅我, 食藥絕對係不在我個列表上. 於是我上網做左好多research, 睇下有物自然療法, 得出結論係:
ADD/ADHD小朋友而要大量維他命B雜, 其中最關鍵係B1, B6同B12, 另外鋅, 鎂都有幫助. 呢d全部都係幫助腦部同神經嘅.
兩星期前我訂左一隻維他命配方, 就係大劑量B雜加一d草藥, 網上評語用家媽媽話對ADD/ADHD小朋友有好大幫助, 同時我亦約左我地睇開個自然療法醫生.
我個女食左呢隻ADD/ADHD配方維他命後, 真係180度轉變, 性格當然唔會變, 但係專注力好左好多, 老師有一日直情係上午就call我, 特登我同我報喜. 因為我個女讀國際學校, 不嬲唔係幾鍾意讀中文, 我教佢都教都嘔血, 補習老師來, 佢夠膽賴皮, 話唔做就唔做, 大家都冇哂佢辦法. 曾經一段時間, 我懷疑係咪老師唔夠惡, 而家食左呢隻配方, 無論係我平時自己教, 定係老師來上堂, 佢態度都好左好多好多, 可以話正常到極. 讀書唔會拖拉, 寫字都肯, 而且明顯比以前寫得齊整左, 做野爽手左好多. 學校老師以前話一個月, 阿女得兩三日專心, 其他日子好似夢遊咁,而家連續性咁alert.
我個女平時有睇脊醫, 佢地都有讀nutrition, 亦都祟尚自然療法, 我比佢睇條配方, 佢話呢條配方好好, 仲問我攞埋名. 之後個日我去睇自然療法醫生, 今次剪左阿女d頭髮去險, 我又問佢, 佢都話呢條方好正. 我亦順帶問左佢食鋅, 鎂同魚油嘅分量. 唔講唔知, 如果係為腦部發育, 小朋友食嘅魚油, DHA劑量要比EPA高, 以我個女為例, 一日可以食1000~2000mg DHA. 食B12, 我買左支liquid, 佢話唔好直接吞落肚, 因為咁唔吸收, 要滴係舌底.
作者: myson727 時間: 12-6-7 11:57
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Hi elmostoney,
維他命B雜、B6、B12、鎂...supplement，我仔都食左1年幾，系幫我仔做"生物療法"個E生開比佢食，幫我仔驗尿後，發現尿中有很多"有機鹽"，"有機鹽"是食物消化後的營養，因身体的"新陳代謝"出現阻塞，"有機鹽"未能轉化成身體有用的營養而排出体外，引致身體得不到足夠營養，影響身體發展，特別系"腦"。
作者: elmostoney 時間: 12-6-7 17:48
我而家亦有比消化酵素比我個女食, 因為佢不嬲大大唔暢通, 我懷疑亦有機會引至佢ADD. 所有人身體都有酵素, 好多原因(我唔係到細說, 大家可以上網查下), 缺乏足夠酵素, 食物不能完全消化同吸收, 身體得唔到足夠養份之餘, 宿便等於慢性中毒, 我個女試過食probiotics都冇物用, 反而而家食左酵素好左 (大大方面).
如果大家有興趣買我個女食緊條方, 可上www.iherb.com, search "added attention", 彈出來第一隻產品就係. 我又唔係做廣告, 所以唔怕係到公開.
大家唔好灰心, 我曾經都發癲咁滯, 我已經好運, 阿女讀國際學校, 壓力冇咁大. 其實佢未夠五歲, 當時我已開始帶佢去心理醫生, 曾懷疑過佢係dyslexic, 跟住又懷疑佢係感統, therapy又做過, 錢同時間都花左唔少, 就係冇結果, 但係我知道有野唔對路, 又講唔出係物 (因為我有個細仔, 一拍埋就睇到好唔同).
我覺得而家食維他命同補充劑只係開始, 我等緊驗頭髮結果, 再睇下下一步係點, 但暫時睇來, 佢情況算受控左先, 咁都冇咁心煩.
作者: elmostoney 時間: 12-6-7 18:12
我食呢隻ADDed Attention因為冇B12, 所以要另外買. 醫生叫我食B12一定要放舌底, 可能因為咁, 所以呢隻ADDed Attention冇卦.
1. Added Attention 每朝一湯匙
2. B12 - 100 mcg
3. 鎂(magnesium) 250~500mg, calcium就一半左右, e.g.200mg magnesium配100mg calcium, 要有calcium鎂就容易吸收. 呢條我發覺唔易搵, 多數都係calcium多過鎂.
4. 鋅(zinc), 我個女可以食50mg, 要配vit C食, 但我比30mg.
5. 魚油 - 醫生開左隻nordic Pro DHA, 一粒DHA 450mg/EPA90mg, 佢叫我個女可以分兩次食, 每次兩粒, 不過我就只比佢食一次, 一次食哂兩粒.
如果係睇daily value, 可能好似好多, 但係一來落左胃, 好多會排出來, 吸收唔到. 醫生話除非直接打針, 咁就會吸收哂.
另外, 因為我個女好容易傷風流鼻水, 同缺鋅可能有關, 所以醫生開大d劑量. 我建議大家要睇左醫生先食, 唔好跟我, 畢竟每個人情況都唔同.
作者: myson727 時間: 12-6-7 21:21
elmostoney 發表於 12-6-7 17:48
我而家亦有比消化酵素比我個女食, 因為佢不嬲大大唔暢通, 我懷疑亦有機會引至佢ADD. 所有人身體都有酵素, ...
作者: Ivy.cheung 時間: 12-6-8 13:27
elmostoney 發表於 12-6-7 17:48
我而家亦有比消化酵素比我個女食, 因為佢不嬲大大唔暢通, 我懷疑亦有機會引至佢ADD. 所有人身體都有酵素, ...
唔好意思, 想確應一吓, 係咪有個小朋友, 背境有好多生果 $21.40果款 ? 可以點買 ? 唔該晒 ~
作者: elmostoney 時間: 12-6-9 08:12
http://www.iherb.com/Buried-Trea ... 6-fl-oz-473-ml/5657
作者: Ivy.cheung 時間: 12-6-9 10:07
剛購買了, 謝謝你 ~
作者: elmostoney 時間: 12-6-9 15:10
大家買之餘, 希望留意下小朋友反應, 不竟每人情況唔同, 我唔係醫生, 只係提出我個女嘅例子. 好似我個仔咁, 佢冇物野, 我都冇比佢食.
作者: myson727 時間: 12-6-9 17:10 標題: Quote:elmostoney+發表於+12-6-7+17:48+我
原帖由 myson727 於 12-06-07 發表
我睇過本關於"生物療法"的書,好多兒童發展上的問題, .., ADD, 都因消化系統出現 ...
作者: elmostoney 時間: 12-6-10 09:25
非常同意myson727所言, 唔講係咪ADD, 就算為身體健康都要攪好消化系統, 我女兒就係呢方面唔好, 最高記錄試過去旅行時十日去唔到, 返來就發燒! probiotics我又試過,仲要四五隻牌子, 都冇物用. 而家食酵素好好多, 佢差唔多每日都有得去, 每次都唔洗坐咁耐.
要知身體係會不停咁吸收大腸d水份, 如果宿便係裏邊, 就即係吸毒水直接入血管, 全身(包括個腦)運行. 我都睇過一本書, 意思基本上係話腸道暢通, 就會少病小病. 所以各位重視小朋友係咪ADD之餘, 亦再留意此點.
作者: elmostoney 時間: 12-6-10 09:34
至於我個女而家食緊個隻, 暫時我發現對佢睡眠有d影響, 佢太alert!,瞓少左, 所以我打算將劑量調低試下.
至於學校方面, 以前成個月先得兩三日係老師覺得ok, 而家係成個星期都好好, 我屋企個普通話老師話阿女歷史性地以極快速度寫完字, 仲要係寫得幾齊整, 唔係好似以前狂風掃落葉. 以前某段時間最多做兩樣野, 而家可以做完四樣. 時間見洗好多, 大家都舒服d. 以前我唔知佢有問題, 仲成日以為佢懶, 原來佢係控制唔到自己.而家真係一個正常嘅小朋友.
作者: zytre2003 時間: 12-6-11 10:22
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作者: elmostoney 時間: 12-6-11 10:33
我冇每樣分開試 都係同時食. 不過最初係食 added attention先, 已經好見效. 最好大家上網查下每樣效用, 用supplement都要理解背後原因, 唔好亂咁食, 而且都要睇小朋友身體狀況, 最好consult下呢方面嘅醫生, 一般西醫係唔識睇架.
作者: ktv 時間: 12-6-11 14:09
請問維他命B12是液體狀嗎？是哪一隻？可否把相片及資料的link post上來？每日100 還是1000mcg? 含在舌底讓他慢慢溶嗎？空肚吃好些？
Added attention 和 B12 在香港有得賣嗎？邊到？我見有網站賣得更便宜，Added attention $16.55美金。www.evitamins.com。這網站應該ok吧？
吃了多久見效果？謝謝回答。
作者: elmostoney 時間: 12-6-11 14:45
我買液體狀, 但醫生冇話一定要. 每日食100~200mcg, but again, 我係帶左個女去比佢睇左之後, 醫生建議份量, 每人不同. 我冇問空肚定點, 總之朝早一次食哂.
added attention我唔知香港有冇, 我一直都係美國訂屋企所有vitamins, 一來選擇多d, 二來平d. B12有機會香港有, but as i said, 我都係一次過訂. evitamins我未聽過, 或者都會睇睇, 最重要係運費同時間, iherb運費又快又平.
我個女食added attention, 3日見功. 我買隻b12 liquid, 唔係醫生介紹嘅牌子.
http://www.iherb.com/InterPlexus ... 6-fl-oz-17-ml/31266
作者: elmostoney 時間: 12-6-11 16:04
呢條thread, 如果關於食物vitamins同用量, 我唔再post啦, 因為都寫得好清楚. 最緊要係所有野都係以我個女為准 (年齡, 體重, ADD嚴重性), 我係一邊睇醫生, 一邊食, 唔係自己隨便執比佢, 所以鎂, 魚油, zinc, B12都係睇左醫生後先得出呢個用量, 每個小朋友未必盡同. 大家可以參考, 但我仍係個句, 我唔係醫生, 所以唔想係到作出物野指引咁, 只係希望分享下我個女嘅例子, 大家可以考慮用唔同方法, 唔洗一定靠食藥.
作者: scheong 時間: 12-6-13 05:44 標題: 回覆：myson727 的帖子
我係囝囝未夠五歲去做評估，都話佢有ADD的特徵但未算係，要我地觀察同改善生活習慣同常規，一年後今曰情況越嚴重，短期記憶超差，呢頭寫完呢個字，下一秒全無印象，老師的評語都話上堂得
Minimal engagement. 正想搵OT training，見到呢個post，好想睇你呢個醫生，我囝囝依家仲有飲 Formular milk，大便算正常，可唔可以請你pm我你位生物療法醫生資料我，萬分感激！
作者: elmostoney 時間: 12-6-13 09:23
scheong, 你個仔聽落同我個女一樣.
作者: scheong 時間: 12-6-13 12:07 標題: 回覆：elmostoney 的帖子
Elmostoney， 多謝你介紹個website可上網訂維他命，我之前新年去美國玩，順便去大型藥店買brain development 啲supplements 俾囝囝，食咗半年都冇效，我一定會試你嗰隻！
我囝囝讀英基幼稚園，k2時上phonics 班個外籍老師多次提醒我話佢需要OT training，嗰班一共有四個小朋友，全部都係英基，其他同學都get 到，唯獨我囝教極都唔識，老師唯有重覆問囝，結果引發佢反抗情緒同哭。由於我囝當時唔識講中文，我就帶佢去搵英文人做的評估，phonics 老師好好，幫我寫一封信詳細講我囝的問題，結果評估報告話有特徵但不確定，要觀察同訂常規加獎勵表。到升year1,一開學就同班主任講佢的問題，班主任係紐西蘭人，初初我有啲抗拒，但朋友話澳紐啲老師，special needs 喺必修的學科，所以試試要求老師叫我囝坐前面，我知道老師上堂都經常問囝問題，等佢留心！由於學校用繁體教中文，阿囝被編到中文母語班，功課對佢來說有啲深，如要寫（樹，菜，雞蛋，狗，etc)，當佢的功課量開始多，就發現更多問題，啱啱睇到老師的term report，雖然話有進步，但我知上咗year 2呢個評估就一定好唔掂，現在趁暑假同佢急救一下。
謝謝你提供好多有用的資料！
作者: elmostoney 時間: 12-6-13 12:18
我個女未到你個囝囝咁嚴重. phonics算掌握到, 同佢讀中文我就知衰, 未寫極都唔記得 (不論中英). 不過老師都係話佢神遊太虛. 評估我搵過本地人做, 又有外國人做, 都唔及老師咁準. OT我都做過兩個, 冇物用.
你去iherb訂, 做左VIP買野有discount, 大概可抵運費. 我有coupon code, 第一次買野可慳US$5, 不過我冇post出來, 唔想人地以為我搵著數sell野. 我上呢個網睇d用家review, 再自己search下, 得出個大概, 再問醫生. 我個女呢輪好好呀, 老師話日日都掂. 不過我都減隻added attention份量, 佢食完瞓少左, 太精神, 但其實唔夠瞓, 我慢慢調節中, 又唔想影響佢返學.
我個女勉強跟到學校進度, 不過回想返以前幫唔到佢, 真係浪費左好多時間. 暑假我都打算同佢執一執, 等佢程度提升d, 信心都大d.
作者: scheong 時間: 12-6-13 12:50 標題: 回覆：elmostoney 的帖子
其實我知你已經做得好好，跟得囝囝囡囡好貼，又了解佢哋的能力，仲經常分享你的經驗。初初我都有諗我會唔會擔誤阿囝發展，但諗深一層，儘管一切已經有一套完整的計劃，但有時情況要去到嗰個位，我地先知到佢地的發展同問題，如同摸石過河！媽咪呢份工唔易做！幸好我囝同你囡讀國際學校，可以有時間同空間俾佢地慢慢成長同改善，老師都係用鼓勵的形式教導佢地，做到就俾佢上高一個層次，唔得就俾時間佢發展其他方面。我唔敢想像如果我個仔讀本地，佢會點？另外我唔明，我囝讀英文書可以讀一些深的字，佢認字ok，但係要佢串就好唔掂，唔知係唔喺，唔同部分的腦做唔同工作！
作者: elmostoney 時間: 12-6-15 20:28
scheong, 我個女同你個仔真係太似啦. 佢讀書ok, 串字唔得, 就算好簡單嘅字, 如HAD, 重覆又重覆都會串成hed. 曾經諗過比佢去補英文串子, 但發覺坊間的補習班, 都係cater比本地學校, 串字串d好深,而唔係combine埋phonics嘅原理為主, 同 is 唔係幾對路. 最後我搵左d外國串字workbook, 好正. fit 哂 is 要求, 由能做到由深入淺.
我今日去見老師, 我估唔到我個女之前連PE都唔掂, 我見佢一路都好鍾意pe, 以為呢樣唔洗點用腦, 點都ok, 原來佢發夢到冇聽instructions! 老師話呢兩三個星期, 佢簡直唔同哂, 各方面都好專注, 肯做肯聽.
作者: scheong 時間: 12-6-15 22:32 標題: 回覆：elmostoney 的帖子
Myson727， 唔該哂你醫生的資料，今日去咗睇証，仲抽咗血去做化驗，下星期交排泄物樣本！原來同學仔同哥哥及表親都自細睇到大，佢表哥都有做化驗，效果聽佢媽咪講都滿意。對我哋嚟講呢嗰test都幾貴，不過可以用科學化的方法，就算唔係因為ADD，為健康都有需要，真係唔該哂。
Elmostoney，訂的藥今日到咗！好快同方便，唔該哂！我囝上學校pe的情況我就唔知，不過上其他體育活動如足球，籃球，游泳，rugby等，成曰俾教練叫佢個名，如果唔係佢就以為自由活動！昨天學校有家長曰，家長可以睇佢的portfolio，習作，同journal，見到佢本journal都好嘔血，最小七成要老師注釋佢寫嘜，見到堂上掛咗同學的作業，幾乎全部同學作品都唔駛老師"翻譯＂，我囝除外！，
我囝啲體能都唔好，可能因為佢比較早產（35週幾），所以我哋特別留然佢大小肌發展，雖然盡量睇好多感統書同參加一些坊間俾幼兒做的感統playgroup，花咗時間同精力，宜加佢體能都係一般！今日去醫生抽血，雖然無哭，但嚇到面青同想嘔，血管收縮到出唔到血，連醫生都唔敢継續，要佢瞓低等半個鐘再抽！問醫生係唔係我地照顧得佢差，醫生都安慰我地，天生體質差的人，小小嘢都會對佢有影響，唉，我又要繼續努力做功課，學習點照顧佢！
作者: scheong 時間: 12-6-15 22:54 標題: 回覆：ADD小朋友, 有冇媽媽試過靠食療和supplement控制?
另有關串字，其實你囡識phonics而佢寫到hed，喺emerging stage 係ok，因為係必經之路，當然老師有要求就冇辦法！我就慘d，因佢phonics麻麻地，唯有用另外方法去幫佢，最近都買咗有關外國串字啲書，宜家等ADD有改善後，第一時間就實行！
作者: elmostoney 時間: 12-6-15 23:53
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最弊佢係寫足幾個月都串成 hed 呢!! 我睇佢本journal, 仲嚇人, 七成要老師翻譯都唔止, 八成就差唔多! 不過佢地學校冇展示其他小朋友d功課出來, 所以我唔知人地程度點, 不過老師同我講得, 我估其他人就算有呢個問題都冇咁嚴重卦.
呢個summer我計劃左架啦, 同佢係屋企做下作業, 補返下, 一來希望佢水平提升d, 就算唔得, 都唔好退步.
佢三星期前開始食呢隻ADD, 幾日後咁啱係reading assessment, 就係個幾日佢alert左, 跟住竟然一assess完, 明明幾日前仲讀緊level 12, 一下子可以跳到level 15!
作者: psv 時間: 12-6-18 04:23
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Hi elmostoney,
I want to order that supplement from iHerb, can u pm me the info regarding the referral email address or the coupon no.? Thousand thx!
And usually if the stock is available, how many days does it take?(from putting order to receiving the product) will it have extra cost for shipping or custom? (or just paid for the amount exactly u calculated at the website?) and will the courier call u before delivering? Sorry for so many questions?
作者: myson727 時間: 12-6-18 13:55
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唔駛客氣
希望"生物療法"幫倒你小朋友，如果要食GFCF diet，就要持之以恆。
作者: kingfai838 時間: 12-6-20 23:36
請問邊度有呢種醫生睇,我個仔有ADHD,食左藥年幾,冇效不止重有好多副作用,請介紹醫生及去邊度驗身..急急急...謝謝
作者: myson727 時間: 12-6-21 10:07
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pm 左D資料比你，需驗屎、尿或血，E生會建議及經E生診所寄樣本去外國驗，有報告姑娘會call睇報告。
作者: elmostoney 時間: 12-6-21 22:59
今日去左覆診, 阿女頭髮冇大問題, 係水銀高左d, 唔知係咪同佢打防疲針有關? 醫生話唔洗太擔心, 因為整體都ok. 不過佢食左added attention後, 就算睡前食鎂, 都係比以前瞓少左, 多少有d影響, 呢幾日可能唔夠瞓, 又差d.
我比阿女驗埋血, 睇下有冇食物敏感, 兩星期後見另一位睇好多add/adhd homeopath醫生.
作者: kingfai838 時間: 12-6-21 23:27
Myson727， 唔該哂你醫生的資料,跟住醫生係咪會介紹食咩維他命或者要界啲咩食物,重有收費大約多少,另外Added Attention係咪維他命黎架,希望今次幫到個仔.....謝謝
作者: kingfai838 時間: 12-6-22 00:24
elmostoney你係邊度睇醫生,可否PM我...謝謝
作者: myson727 時間: 12-6-22 10:04
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DAN E生會按小朋友的情況及報告的結果，開supplement或藥 。戒口姑娘會教。
Test 每個大概 $3xxx - $4xxx
藥連診金: $7xx (一星期)
作者: KaKwanc 時間: 12-7-4 01:51
Hi myson727,
我囡是adhd, 可否 PM 生物療法醫生的資料給我?
Thanks in advance!
作者: elmostoney 時間: 12-7-4 10:56
I went the see the dr yesterday. My daughter's case is similar to that of Myson's son. Her food allergy blood test confirmed she is allergic to dairy, wheat, egg and beef. The dr suggested that we cut out these ingredients completely from her diet. She said that in one month's time, we will see the difference in her - more alert, better toilet habits (no longer need to take digestive enzyme), better colors (面色). she also gave me some homeopathic pills.
She said that 10 years ago, she saw children who had this type of allergy were mostly those returning from the west. However, during the past 10 years, the numbers have shot up dramatically. She attributed it to the fact that more kids are adopting a western diet (wheat and dairy) as well as more genetic modifications in all kinds of food.
作者: 小艾比 時間: 12-7-5 12:27
想問你地呢, 買係VIA 邊到寄? DHL OR International Airmail ?
作者: awah112 時間: 12-7-5 18:21
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作者: elmostoney 時間: 12-7-5 20:33
呢兩日係咁睇食譜, weekend會試dairy free ice cream. 做麵包同蛋糕食材要訂返來, 要下星期先有機會試. 今朝我比左腰果"奶" 阿女飲, 佢好鐘意, 會代替我家羊奶.
作者: myson727 時間: 12-7-6 11:18
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Changing the Course of Autism: A ScientificApproach for Parents and Physicians
作者: chansiub 時間: 12-7-6 11:37 標題: 回覆：elmostoney 的帖子
請分享成果及食譜。我好有興趣dairy free ice-cream.
作者: jor_mankiu 時間: 12-7-6 11:38
Hi elmostoney & myson, thanks very much for sharing. My son sounds very similar to your children. he's now 4.5 years old. Although too young to be assessed as ADD & dyslexia he already shows all the signs. He's been doing sensory integration & OT already..
Just a couple questions for you:
- For enzymes, which enzyme do you give and where did you buy? My son eats a lot but doesn't seem to absorb anything. no growth in height and weight for a long time!
- For calcium & magnesium, i can't find any brand that has 1:2 ratio. Where did you buy it from?
- Which homeopath did you go? Can you please pm me the contact? Thanks very much!
作者: myson727 時間: 12-7-6 14:31
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Hi jor_mankiu
我仔食的supplement，都系幫我仔做"生物療法"的E生開的。另外戒口方面，除小麥外，我仔驗血後，知道對蛋、牛奶、花生敏感，都要戒。
作者: elmostoney 時間: 12-7-6 16:11
好在我個女冇nuts敏感．今日我整一個vegan dessert - strawberry creamcheese cake, 要有nuts做base. 以前我好鍾意整，後來知道牛奶唔好，就好少整，而且亦都唔想佢食咁多甜．反而而家佢唔食得奶同小麥，用得嘅材料都健康，再加上佢好多野都唔食得，所以都想縱下佢．
整左再話比大家知如何，因為"cream cheese" filling 要等今晚浸完腰果先打得．
jor_mankiu, I buy most of my supplies (baking supplies and supplement) from the US - more choices. 香港一般情況下，即使係診所，都冇可能有咁多選擇．我食緊物會比醫生睇，問佢ok否．不過今次homeopath開左ｄ homeopath”藥”比我，呢ｄ我就冇周圍搵．
我雖然搵到1:2 calcium/mg pills，但再比脊醫睇，佢話the form of calcium used is not the type easily aborbed, 所以我都冇用啦，唯有分開．Mg我用mg glycinate, calcium用calcium citrate.
for enzyme, I am using Enzymedica Gold Digest, but I am going to switch to another brand because it has bromelain, papain, etc. More full spectrum.
http://www.iherb.com/Garden-of-L ... be-Veggie-Caps/7796
作者: elmostoney 時間: 12-7-6 16:14
biggest sub for cream in vegan cooking is coconut milk and cashew nuts. You can also use soy bean milk to make ice cream, but I think it won't be as tasty.
作者: a_for_apple 時間: 12-7-6 19:41
你o地好! 多謝各位 share 你o地o既經驗.......
我個仔 4.5 歲, 嚮 cac 做o左評估, 不過未有結果, 但唔只一個課外活動老師覺得佢有專注力問題. 想問下係咪 confirm o左 add/adhd 先可以進行生物療法? 另外, homeopathy 同生物療法有咩唔同? thx!
myson727, 可否 pm 你個生物療法醫生資料俾我? thx!
作者: chansiub 時間: 12-7-6 23:01 標題: 回覆：elmostoney 的帖子
係喎，我沒有想過coconut milk. 應該會香d同沒有那麼孩口。我買的blender 只教用double cream or homo milk or yogurt.
作者: psv 時間: 12-7-7 00:24
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elmostoney,
"Not intended for children" is shown at the description of that enzyme(Garden of life), have you already given this enzyme to your daughter? I just want to make sure if this is suitable for children since I also want to give enzyme to my son. Also, I can't find any "age restriction" for that B12(InterPlexus), do you have any idea? Thank you very much!!
作者: myson727 時間: 12-7-7 09:06
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HI a_for_apple
按我有限的認識，"生物療法"透過驗血、屎、尿，來check check 小朋友的生物系統有無出現問題(例如heavy metal、腸炎、新陳代謝、某些營養不足、....)，影響發展。所以未必要confirm。
作者: elmostoney 時間: 12-7-7 10:15
我通常會將個capsule 比兩個小朋友分, 不過garden of life我未開, 因為要等digest gold食完先.
我覺得最重要睇成份同含量.
至於B12, 我係跟醫生prescribe dosage. 我個女要食100 ~ 200 mcg.我比佢食最低劑量.
作者: a_for_apple 時間: 12-7-7 16:52
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thank you myson727!! i got ur pm already.
作者: 浩朗媽媽 時間: 12-7-10 16:23
可以 pm 醫生資料我嗎? 另外, 我想問如果食緊專注力藥, 可以食supplement幫助嗎? d藥會撞嗎?
作者: elmostoney 時間: 12-7-10 17:03
So far, I tried a dairy-free, gluten-free, egg free cheesecake, coconut milk-based chocolate ice cream and gluten-free bread ---- lucky to report, all with great success. 其實一年前我自己去做排毒, 當時都知gluten唔好, 試過整gluten-free麵包比d細路食, 麻麻地, 冇人肯食. 今次許勝不許敗, 投入好多心機, 搵d好d食譜, 跟到足, 效果理想. 當然, gluten-free bread一定唔夠wheat-based好食, 但係d細路肯食就得.
浩朗媽媽, 我諗會唔會clash, 只有醫生先答到你. 始終食物野藥, 物野vitamins, 體質呢d個個都唔同.
作者: JJandSS 時間: 12-7-13 00:02
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Hi Myson727,
Kindly pm your homeopathy therapist to me too. Many many thanks.
JJandSS
作者: myson727 時間: 12-7-13 10:55
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我睇是用"生物療法"的E生
作者: JJandSS 時間: 12-7-14 11:46
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Hi elmostoney,
My I know your doctor contact, pls. Thanks very much
JJandSS
作者: jor_mankiu 時間: 12-7-25 14:56
本帖最後由 jor_mankiu 於 12-7-25 14:56 編輯
Thanks myson727 and elmostoney for sharing your doctor's contact.
I haven't taken my son to see the doctor yet, as I'm still reluctant to take him to do blood test. He's thin and I'm sure it won't be easy to do the blood test on him!
I have surfed through the internet on different supplements and diet options for ADD. I've ordered Added Attention too. But I actually already started with another supplement called CALM Multi (also from iherb), which I find quite good too.
CALM has magnesium and calcium in the formula and B12 too. may not be as good in terms of absorption but at least it's convenient for me. My son has been taking it for about a week now. I think he sits more still and listens to instructions better. But he still can't stand still. Hope he'll get better soon. The taste is not great so I would mix with orange omega oil.
I also just started to give Houston Enzymes a couple days ago. Haven't not seen any effect yet. But at least my son didn't notice I've added the enzyme to his diet (usually mix with his rice or soy milk).
I think he's OK on concentration and attention at his age after the supplement. What I need to work on is his underweight and sleep quality. He always look very tired and have big dark eye circles (everyone who sees him asked whether he sleeps at all because of his big dark eye circles). I'm hoping that the enzyme will help with his digestion. some of the content of CALM or Added Attention may also help.
作者: elmostoney 時間: 12-7-25 15:07
Just want to share my recent research.
Your son could possibly have leaky gut as well. Don't worry about the blood test. They did a finger poke on my daughter. Nothing like a needle. It was simple and relatively pain-free. It is essential that you find out if he has any food allergy because that very likely would be the cause to his leaky gut.
To summarize what I have learned, leaky gut is a condition when the digestive system does not tolerate and digest certain foods well. These partially digested food particles pass to the small intestines, eventually wrecking havoc and going into the bloodstream directly. In this form, it became a toxin. The immune system is triggered and starts to fight these unwanted elements. Symptoms could be ADD, ADHD, Autism, overweight, underweight, dark eye circles, ezcema, poor sleep pattern, constipation, diahrrea, etc.
To heal this condition, it is imperative that one cuts out the types of food which will trigger allergy to allow the gut to heal. Since a person with leaky gut isn't absorbing vitamins and minerals properly, often magnesium, zinc, b complex are found to help. I recently added L-glutamine powder to my daughter's diet because it helps to heal the intestine walls. In addition, digestive enzyme is useful in combating leaky gut. When food is properly digested in the stomach, it places less stress on the gut and liver.
作者: elmostoney 時間: 12-7-25 15:41
leaky gut就係myson所講嘅腸炎, 小腸係用來吸收營養, 所以當然有孔, 但係遇上唔消化的食物, 積聚係到就會變成毒, 呢d毒素會將小腸的孔變大, 咁好多消化唔到嘅食物就會直接進入血管. 通常呢d情況條小腸都發炎 (發炎係immune system發揮效用). (其中一樣gluten, 就係冇足夠消化左進入血管, 有一種類似瑪啡影響, 所以會令人思路不清, 專注力下降)
由於消化不良, 身體好自然吸收唔到足夠營養 (所以要食vitamins同minerals), 而幫助消化其中一樣就係食enzyme. 另外免疫系統長期抗爭, , 再加上某些營養不足, 遇到其他好普通的病就會成日打敗仗.
除左戒食身體消化唔到食物, 比小腸休息修補, 亦要考慮寄生虫可能性. 有d人戒左N年都好唔到, 可能係有寄生虫. 有呢種情況就要攪掂左呢d寄生虫先 (象徵可能會係人瘦肚大, 食極都得排骨). 我自己都打算試一下, 不過我唔會用藥, 只會用全natural 野, 我對西藥, 如非緊急, 都盡量少用, 因為佢西藥係快, 但係亦係腸炎原凶之一.
作者: bakusensei 時間: 12-7-25 17:03 標題: 回覆：elmostoney 的帖子
Dear Elmostoney,
Would you mind pming me the contact of your doctor?
Million thanks!
Regards,
Baku
作者: myson727 時間: 12-7-26 14:31
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Good Sharing, elmostoney
按外國一些書講, 醫好腸炎 (leaky gut) 是第一部，也是好重要的一部，除GFCF減輕腸的付擔外，腸內惡菌及益菌也要控制，所以要食益新菌補充腸內益菌，惡菌要食殺菌藥控制，才能慢慢改善腸漏現象，小朋友才能從食物中吸收到所需營養，所以E生每次覆診，幫我仔磅重，都能觀察倒佢體質改善緊。
作者: elmostoney 時間: 12-7-26 15:05
本帖最後由 elmostoney 於 12-7-26 15:07 編輯
myson,你個仔underweight? 我個女好正常, 所以外表睇完全唔覺得佢有問題. 不過最近面色就真係改善左唔少, 之前係好差, 泥色. 可以十日唔大便, 都唔方好. 我而家比呢隻有bromelain/papain酵素佢食, 我上網check過,對腸炎有消炎作用. 佢食左一星期, 呢輪一日去幾次廁所, 但又唔係肚潟, 好似要將的漬去哂出來咁. 跟手呢兩日面色突然前所未有咁好.
我個女都食緊益生菌呀, 不過要搵冇奶冇casein嘅, 選擇就少d.
作者: jor_mankiu 時間: 12-7-26 16:32
Thanks elmostoney! That makes me relief! Hopefully I can find a time to take him see Dr soon!
It does look like my son has leaky gut. Which brand of enzyme and probiotics do you give to your daughter? I haven't bought probiotics yet, and am thinking of UDx since it looks more fresh and is refriegerated. Any other suggestions?
As for L-Glutaimine. I came across an article that says it better be given by a physician if the child is under 10 years old: http://www.livestrong.com/articl ... amine-for-children/
I think I'll start with enzyme and probiotics and try GFCF first.
作者: jor_mankiu 時間: 12-7-26 16:46
Also, does anyone try to switch to cook with Coconut Oil? Our diet is very Chinese so we've been using usual peanut oil/ corn oil, etc. I'm thinking of switching to coconut oil but I'm not sure if the taste would be acceptable...
作者: jor_mankiu 時間: 12-7-26 17:05
For probiotics, I want to find one that is refrigerated so that it's fresh enough to keep all the probiotics alive. However, I found that the UDx one contains traces of soy, milk, etc. so it's not ideal. I found one online from the US that is specifically for ADHD, etc. and even contains L-Gluatimine. However, they do not ship internationally as it's heat sensitive:
http://www.rockwellnutrition.com ... NON-Returnable.html
Have any of you found any probiotics available in HK that may be best for ADD kids??
作者: elmostoney 時間: 12-7-26 19:42
I use coconut oil in my desert. For cooking, I use grapeseed oil
For probiotics, I have found some without milk. Since I buy directly from the US, no choice but look for those which don't require refrigeration. Once I receive them, I put them in the fridge anyway.
作者: bakusensei 時間: 12-7-28 15:17 標題: 回覆：ADD小朋友, 有冇媽媽試過靠食療和supplement控制?
Million thanks for elmostanley and myon727 and all other parents' sharing!
Wanna asked a maybe rather basic question. Why need higher DHA to EPA ratio?
Many thanks!
作者: elmostoney 時間: 12-7-31 20:46
myson, 想問下你, 你個仔食左allergen-free diet幾耐? 食左有物野明顯改善呢? 同幾耐開始會見到改善? 食d vitamins劑量係咪一路會減?
除左個隻added attention嘅b雜外, 我一路有比kinderlove維他命佢食, 一直都好地地, 佢好鍾意食, 四日前開始突然佢唔鍾意食, 而且個人變得moody, 我唔知佢係咪戒左口, 腸炎好緊所以唔洗食咁多其他vitamins (added attention)?
因為之前出左門, 個段時間係外邊好難戒口, 返來唔夠兩星期, 所以想比佢起碼戒多一星期先返去覆診.
作者: JJandSS 時間: 12-7-31 22:24
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Hi elmonstoney,
Can I have your doctor contact pls. many thanks
JJandSS
作者: myson727 時間: 12-8-1 12:42
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GFCF 有2年幾了，再戒敏感食物差不多2年了。
食錯野最明顯是"怪行為-- 亂跳"又出番離，發夢，情緒失控，濕疹....
食vitame 2yrs 幾有加無減(由十幾食至廿幾粒),E仔都系跟每次化驗後，發現我仔缺邊D比邊D。
要知腸炎好番未，可驗屎，check check Secretory IgA (胃腸道粘膜分泌免疫指數)。
作者: bobolam 時間: 12-8-2 11:31
elmostoney 發表於 12-7-26 19:42
I use coconut oil in my desert. For cooking, I use grapeseed oil
For probiotics, I have found some ...
Can you tell me the name of Probiotics and the website you bought? thanks
作者: elmostoney 時間: 12-8-2 12:24
I think I posted many times about where I bought my supplements. So I will summarize below:
www.iherb.com
coupon code KON603 to get US$5 off first purchase if you are interested (I do get points if you use it - just a disclaimer)
they have many brands to choose from, so pick one you like. I switch often to see which one has better results. I just searched for ones without milk. Iced ones are better but you can only purchase then in hong kong with very limited brands to choose from. iherb does have better pricing than buying in HK, even after shipping, especially if you buy a few things at a time.
My dr is Dr. Sonal at IMI in Central. Tel 2523 7121
作者: elmostoney 時間: 12-8-2 12:32
myson, i read an interesting article about celiac disease the other day. Seems like leaky gut cannot be cured solely from gluten and dairy abstinence. Apparently all types of grains have similar defense mechanisms to protect themselves, so they irritate the gut as well. So a complete abstinence from rice, oat, buckwheat, barley, etc is necessary. The article says that the gut has great self-healing ability and can usually mend itself within 5 days UNLESS damage is extensive. In that case, it may take up to 2 years or so. Based on this cue, I plan to take dd off grain and certain root veggies (potato, sweet potato and the likes) for a week.
Also colostrum will seal all unusual openings in the small intestines right away, only I am looking for a brand which is lactose and casien free, then will try it out.
DD has been a bit emotional lately. I don't know what happened. Cutting down on supplements. Perhaps now that she has been eating allergen-free for 2 weeks, if her symptoms are not so serious, her gut is healing? and doesn't need such large dosage? I will keep an eye on her.
Interesting also that I got advice on another forum about vision and ADD. Some children have vision problems, making it difficult for them to focus and their eyes become tired very quickly. Therefore, they are reluctant to do school work and reading as eyesight is paramount. Taking that cue, I took her to a behaviorial optometrists. she has converging, tracking and focusing problems. That's why when she reads, she will skip words/lines. When she write, even when she knows the word, she will skip a letter. She also rubs her eyes easily when doing her work.
作者: myson727 時間: 12-8-2 18:00
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Hi elmostoney, GFCF及戎口當然沒有治療的能力，只是減輕腸胃的負荷，如果有惡菌，惡菌也會破壞腸壁及排出毒素入血，毒素上腦也會壞腦，要治療也要食殺菌藥控制及補充益菌，讓腸道慢慢康復如果。
作者: Deniz 時間: 12-8-3 22:00
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請問甚麼藥可以殺惡菌呢
作者: myson727 時間: 12-8-4 00:04
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"Nystan oral suspension" contain the active ingredient nystatin, which is an antifungal medicine used to treat infections with fungi and yeasts.
E生開比我仔食
作者: elmostoney 時間: 12-8-5 11:54
本帖最後由 elmostoney 於 12-8-5 23:00 編輯
i use a blend of natural remedies for yeast (in fact, I am treating myself now). There are many different natural alternatives available, and I prefer natural to "medicine" as they are all some type of chemicals (which puts more pressure on liver/kidney and general detox function of the body).
You can check out "scram" at i-herb, but I haven't used it. You can read the comments by users. Grapefruit seed extract is also a safe alternative (I have this one at home). Garlic pills (get good ones), but I don't know if it's for kids. Search also for "yeast infection" in i-herb. You will see many alternatives. Read the comments yourself because each person's condition is different. I don't know what is the type of 惡菌 you mean. do you mean parasites? yeast? bacteria? also the age of your child will affect the type of medicine/natural remedy/dosage that he can take. So I think your question is too general.
just a note. sugar, esp white sugar is the best food for yeast and cancer, so it is best to refrain from taking it.
作者: elmostoney 時間: 12-8-6 12:09
my daughter has been off her allergen food 2.5, going on to 3 weeks now. We also change our routine a bit. She went to 1/2 day summer school in July with my younger son. Started Aug 1, I decided to take her out of school and let her stay home, while my younger one still goes. In the morning, she would go out to walk and play before coming home, doing her work and help a bit around the house.
I don't know if it's because of the change of routine or her diet or both, we have been able to cut down on added attention by 50%. We also experimented with different dosage before she had her diet change during the school year, but we found out that she must take the full dosage to be effective.
作者: myson727 時間: 12-8-6 16:57
myson727 發表於 12-8-4 00:04
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"Nystan oral suspension"
E生解釋過，這藥身體不會吸收，比較安全
作者: max00mini 時間: 12-8-12 11:48 標題: 引用：Quote:myson727+發表於+12-8-4+00:04+回復+
原帖由 myson727 於 12-08-06 發表
E生解釋過，這藥身體不會吸收，比較安全
我女女8歲，有ADD，啱啱開始食ritalin,同時有濕疹，鼻敏感等，見佢成日身體有唔同程度不適，好心痛，好似有塊石頭壓住心口！
睇完呢post，好似見到一條新出路，作為媽媽只想盡力減輕佢不適！
作者: bbqiu 時間: 12-8-20 21:40
可試search 嚴浩提肛法,我教5歲仔(normal)都work,好有效,可日日有便便,且十分簡單.
作者: samanthayip124 時間: 12-9-18 11:28
可否 pm 你個生物療法醫生資料俾我? 唔該！
作者: samanthayip124 時間: 12-9-18 13:15
myson729，可否pm＂生物療法＂醫生資料比我？唔該！
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