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標題: 男仔數感好, 想學多D, 應該學咩數? [打印本頁]
作者: 已刪除用戶 時間: 12-3-29 11:10 標題: 男仔數感好, 想學多D, 應該學咩數?
我仔(P2)....睇佢計數, 有時我真係滴汗
佢D數感好強, 強到有時我都唔明點解佢可以即刻有答案 (我唸係因為我蠢)
好似尋日, 佢做學校果張簡單3位減數(要借位)既工作紙, 有一條係901-62, 我仔唸2下, 直式都唔寫就直接寫8....4, 擦左再寫3......9, 當時我唸我大概係咁樣: 
我問佢: 你點知係839, 岩唔岩架, 佢話, 901-62, 咪即係900-61 LOR, 咁咪即係839LOR (理所當然地)
我成日唸, 我應該俾佢學數, 但咩數好呢? 之前去過人地介紹佐敦果間奧數學校, 但我仔好唔鐘意(因為佢ADHD的, 大班佢好難集中, 成績好差), 係咪我應該搵私家? 我應該點叫私家教佢?
作者: HIN2003 時間: 12-3-29 12:37
佢咁自己買D奧數PAPER 比佢試吓先.
作者: 犖犖 時間: 12-3-29 12:37
我不知道現時香港小學生的數學是用甚麼方法去敎，但借位加減法其實並不罕見。我鄰居的 K3(九月升小一）兒子，據悉在 Enopi 學數，目前也是學習三位數減兩位數的借位減法；至於小兒也是 K3 升小，學了個多月 EPGY math G1, 以我所見，加減數是使用結構性材料學習，目前進度是兩位數減個位數。版主可去查詢。
至於何謂「結構性材料」？與「非結構性材料」孰優孰劣？可以參考成子娟的
操作材料對兒童理解加減法關係和選擇計算策略的影響
作者: miffy 時間: 12-3-29 12:49
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作者: HaYi 時間: 12-3-29 13:42
我的仔都是K3, 都在Enopi 學2-3位減數, 佢地小朋友其實識左個方法, 2位同好多個位對佢地來說都差不多,
其實我覺得佢係數學比較差的, 另都有D ADHD Marginal, 做野集中力會弱些, 學Enopi 的level 比一些K3的同學仔慢些, 好彩佢上的Enopi 中心個時段好少人, 差不多一對一, 逼佢全程對住老師好些. 妳個小朋友如果數感好, 去Enopi 之類的可能會好快昇level, 佢地來說挑戰比學校功課大左會好些. 同埋去找一下些center 少人些, 希望會集中些.
作者: 已刪除用戶 時間: 12-3-29 14:21
請問ENOPI係咪一定係英文, 教材/課程貴嗎? 需要做好多練習嗎? 佢係一個點既SYSTEM, 請問有無媽咪可以俾到多D資料我? 謝
作者: minna_no_bobo 時間: 12-3-29 18:28
其實你覺得佢d數無問題,點解仲要去學去補呀?留d時間俾小朋友玩吓啦!
我個寶貝仔都係小二,佢數感都係好好,我唔會要佢去補如一早學識佢上堂就會悶.可能老師未教佢就已經識,佢就可能會攪事又可能會覺得自己好叻其他同學仔好蠢.求學路好漫長俾小朋友慢慢學,慢慢吸收,慢慢地學而致用,受用一生.不要迫他們贏在起跑線上.亦唔好俾太大壓力d小朋友.
作者: Radiomama 時間: 12-3-29 19:32
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Agree!
作者: lillymarie 時間: 12-3-29 19:40
本帖最後由 lillymarie 於 12-3-29 20:19 編輯
我兩個囝數學亦叫做好，佢地真的有時會投訴上課悶架，因為老師要照顧其他未跟得上的同學。所以，我都唔敢教佢地數學。驚佢地悶時就唔專心，攪攪震。
但我就買咗本奧數書，耐唔耐叫佢地做下。當係IQ題咁，等佢地動動腦，又滿足佢地對數學的興趣。
作者: HaYi 時間: 12-3-29 20:56
Charlotte_mom 發表於 12-3-29 14:21 
請問ENOPI係咪一定係英文, 教材/課程貴嗎? 需要做好多練習嗎? 佢係一個點既SYSTEM, 請問有無媽咪可以俾到多 ...
Enopi (韓國) 同公文式(日本)有些相似, 不過操練不如公文式多, 一般一星期都係做3本好薄的書仔 (我個如果專心起來15分鐘內一定可以完一本), 且冇話為左"快些達標"限時操練, 怛過level 時在課室老師可能有限時他們test 的時間. 上堂老師會教下一些方法, 其他都係靠平時去做的. 此對我地哩d坐不定的可能比公文式好些, 又可以限佢每天都有一些math time.
Enopi 2 part 組成, 一part 是 critical, 即是英文應用題, 一part 是basic , 即時數式(加減等), 我個仔細時 (k1-k2 ) 時好多時critical 會高分過 basic, 同埋喜歡critical, 但依家大左, critical 同 basic 就同一level. 因為佢有分家, 家長可以比較分別到2方面的表現.
enopi 不是補習, 所以好可能同學校教的不同進度, 睇小朋友本身, 佢地係外面識得快過學校教的, 是有可能上學校課會悶, 但係另一方面有系統地學快左, 令佢對數學更有成就感同興趣都有可能. 我又覺得小朋友如不抗拒試下都無坊. 只是有一點, Enopi 是英文數, 我個由細都係學佢, 同埋佢幼稚園都係英數, 我都有少少擔心佢9月上小學, 據聞個間小學是中文數, 不知點, 可能要另去學第2些..
作者: ANChan59 時間: 12-3-29 21:23
本帖最後由 ANChan59 於 12-3-30 04:33 編輯
Try Amazon, Border and Barnes and Noble websites and search for "Mensa".... you can find some books for kids, very challenging with fun. Get some with more pictures.
"1000, Play Thinks" & "Big book of Brain Games" are very good books......All games have different level of challenges, start with something easy and then more challenging questions.
作者: 已刪除用戶 時間: 12-3-29 22:23 標題: 引用：其實你覺得佢d數無問題,點解仲要去學去補呀
原帖由 minna_no_bobo 於 12-03-29 發表
其實你覺得佢d數無問題,點解仲要去學去補呀?留d時間俾小朋友玩吓啦!
我個寶貝仔都係小二,佢數感都係好好,我 ...
，小六喇，連基本野都要計一大餐仲要計錯，果d就真係補！我仔係「理科」叻，我希望佢試下學深d, 自己有滿足感（我同佢傾過架，所以至知佢吾鐘意間奧數學校）。放心我吾會迫佢嘅
作者: newbkmember 時間: 12-3-29 23:11
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Hi ANChan59,
My daughter has enrolled the World Class Arena for Math Challenge & Problem Solving. Do you think Mensa can cover those skills & technique? The fact that I did order the Mock paper from the organizer, however, they just offered one booklet with few questions.
Thanks.
作者: ANChan59 時間: 12-3-29 23:14
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Mensa's questions are really challenging, the two books i recommended are fun, you need to work with the kid.
Not fully applicable to WCA, some may similar to problem solving.
作者: newbkmember 時間: 12-3-29 23:43
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ANChan59,
Thank you for your advice. What type of book you recommend to prepare for WCA?
Thanks.
作者: ANChan59 時間: 12-3-30 04:31
My son prepared the WCA based on the book from WCA. You may call them for any suggestion.
May be other parents can help
作者: lillymarie 時間: 12-3-30 08:49
ANChan59 發表於 12-3-29 21:23 
Try Amazon, Border and Barnes and Noble websites and search for "Mensa".... you can find some books ...
作者: ANChan59 時間: 12-3-30 09:00
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I double checked Amazon last night, they are available. Check the preview before ordering.
If travel to US, I spent hours in book shop, they have a section for gifted education.... Also in Taiwan.
自求多福啦，唔想咁講，不過已經自己摸著石頭過河超過l0年，慶幸就快脫身。各位為家中寶貝努力加油！
作者: lillymarie 時間: 12-3-30 10:03
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bookdepository最平，買咗你介紹的書啦！即管睇下佢地鍾唔鍾意。你講得啱，真係樣樣都試下。
作者: ANChan59 時間: 12-3-30 10:08
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I didn't use booksdespository before, I will take a look.
Those books are colourful, kids will love them. Enjoy with them.... 親子活動。
作者: miffy 時間: 12-3-30 10:10
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作者: 已刪除用戶 時間: 12-3-30 10:17
我覺得就好似見到自己個小朋友有心機畫畫, 做父母既觀察到, 自然會想搵個好課程俾佢
我仔唔畫畫, 佢興趣係計數, 自己challenge自己(特登唔用筆算)仲好proud咁同我講唔駛睇鐘都知無超過時間, 會睇d我覺得悶死人既數學漫畫, 我希望培養佢興趣, 我唔係想佢學快一步去學學校d野, 咁樣無意思
(蒲得ek耐都知我係咩人, 揀咩學校, 點會俾壓力小朋友丫
)
作者: ANChan59 時間: 12-3-30 10:31
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My son also very good in mind Maths, but in senior high, steps are equally important as the final answer （he lost 1/3 marks due to steps even the answers are correct.). From F1 onward, you may need to explain to him steps are important. I spent 2 yr to convince my son.
I explained to him the teacher and examiners are not gifted in Maths, you need to show clearly all steps for two reasons:
1. No steps, they may think you copy other's answer in the exam (he thinks those questions are very easy and straight forward, why steps, waste of time.)
2. They can appreciate your greatness and giftedness...... In Maths. (高帽係幾有效.）
作者: Hoho8 時間: 12-3-30 10:33
我个仔宜家P1数学都好好，仲同学校同P3，P4的同学PK数学。不过，我最近发现他做事不认真，连班主任都话佢就算识，上数学堂都要听老师讲书。同埋识同学校考试係两回事，评核一个细佬还是以考试为主。我宜家花多啲时间在中文和英文阅读上。
不过，如果真係想个仔再进一步，可以去读世界数学大赛的课程和考试。Good Luck!
作者: 已刪除用戶 時間: 12-3-30 10:44
miffy 發表於 12-3-30 10:10
我回家睇過, 真係叫"巧算", 二年級教加減, 四年級教乘除, 我估樓主個仔有呢d功課, 即係學校都有教全班, 唔 ...
可能我女真係太"屎", 直到而家p6, 幾乎100/4都仲要用直式計(仲要計錯), 咩巧算對佢黎講, 簡直係天荒夜談 (學既時候過到果關唔fail已經萬幸)
我仔就相反, 立2眼已經知答案, 仲識自動搵最快既方法去計 (佢呢張工作紙唔係巧算, 係另一樣野)
所以我就知道, 一個人數感強, 同一個人數感弱, 程度可以差好遠...........哎, 個天係公平既, 我女數學要補底成績又一般, 但跳舞彈琴朗誦樣樣有獎, 我仔咩都學唔叻(咩彈琴朗誦咩都無學), 語文仲慘好似文盲咁, 唯獨是理科有興趣
作者: miffy 時間: 12-3-30 10:56
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作者: 已刪除用戶 時間: 12-3-30 11:06
我知巧算........當我對住個女咁多年, 都未見過佢可以"靈活運用"學到既TECHNIQUE (包括巧算, 其實學時都已經唔多掂), 而我個仔可以(仲有好多例子, 有時人地無教佢已經識走精面), 我覺得佢可以更上一層樓LOR
作者: lillymarie 時間: 12-3-30 11:13
本帖最後由 lillymarie 於 12-3-30 11:19 編輯
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我都同妳一樣有種想法，就係見到小朋友似乎某處做得好，就想給他多點機會去發展，希望可以建立他的自信心。妳囝囝對數學有興趣，真的不妨樣樣都試下。
學校老師點睇？
我細囝的老師發現他和幾位同學數學遠遠拋離班上的同學, 佢就話佢會搵些難D的題目去考佢地。
作者: ANChan59 時間: 12-3-30 16:12
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Even your son gifted in Maths, but others like languages, science and arts also need to catch up. Too focus on Maths will widen his gap with others, Maths becomes his comfort zone. Drag him out asap, even his maths drop a bit.
I can see my son significant improved in languages in IB, and at certain stage his maths dropped. After some time, his maths also bounced back.
作者: 已刪除用戶 時間: 12-3-31 01:41
我反而覺得, 小朋友有天賦, 係要鼓勵, 去滿足佢, 亦係自信心的來源.
只想按住佢, 怕佢數學太叻, 上堂無心機, 就變成遷就了填鴨教育.
我都有比仔仔去資優數學班, 佢有興趣, 就要比機會佢發揮.
唔知你地有無咁既經驗, 係我自己的經歷, 諗番細個時某方面叫做有些"叻", 但我地父母的年代唔會offer興趣班, 甚至放學夜一點回家都不可以. 這樣過了幾十年, 真係好想細個時有得發揮. 唔望係咩成就, 但好想可以試多d...
Charlotte_mom, 想問佢識乘除數未? 如果未, 你教到的, 你可以先教佢. 如果佢在一兩個月內學識哂, 咁就好值得比佢去資優數學班. 我仔仔去epgy, 係美國stanford大學搞的資優課程, 要考試合格先可以讀, 值得學下, 等佢見識下.
作者: ANChan59 時間: 12-3-31 10:24
本帖最後由 ANChan59 於 12-3-31 12:29 編輯
As most parents shared their case are in primary, my sharing is more on secondary and may not fit your needs.
My last reminders:
1. Take a multiple intelligence approach more that just focus on narrow dimensions, like music or Maths;
2. Upto certain age, let him participate some external competitions, not just prove his giftedness, also make him balanced head. I still remembered his jaw dropped as a 8 years old boy walked into an exam hall housed 1100 participates of the competition. After the test, he told me that how come so many kids are good in Maths.
3. Get more exposures, online program, taught program, books, try some daily life example, university gifted program....
4. You may aware I didn't mentioned some very popular programs always shared in EK, those programs will kill their giftedness. If a boy get bored easily even for textbook questions, repetitive drilling even worse,...... Those Maths may fit kids' Maths too behind, not too advance.
5. Those kids emotionally sensitive, keep up the communication with them closely and understand his concerns and frustration in class and peer groups.
6. Help him to develop his positive attitude and value system. They are the valuable asset of the society, the right pathway and roadmap are critical...... Sunday school is an excellent option.
Sorry, may be too long.
作者: 已刪除用戶 時間: 12-3-31 16:05 標題: 回覆：男仔數感好, 想學多D, 應該學咩數?
多謝你分享就真。今日拎成績表，問左班主任（數學老師）。老師同意，以佢能力係有potential更上一層樓，不過正如之前講，我仔集中力好飄忽有時好吾認真。老師提議我黎緊幾個月完全放手吾理佢d數，由佢自由發揮由佢錯，老師觀察下佢真正實力再俾意見我（老師叫我吾對數，我樂於做少樣）
作者: lillymarie 時間: 12-3-31 17:49
同意要全人發展。
語文亦很重要。
我大囝數學好，但語文弱，結果數學科常被語文拉低。因為做到problem solving的題目就常因看不明題目或表達不清楚而扣分。所以我這幾年沒怎去理他數學，主力谷他語文，最近總算略見起色。
作者: lillymarie 時間: 12-3-31 18:09
本帖最後由 lillymarie 於 12-3-31 18:48 編輯
我以前有買兒童的科學和一本關於數學與科學的雜誌， 放在家中，引大囝去閱讀。
我另外買了這本書給細囝，希望能夠讓他做多幾題problem solving之餘，又可以學好英文。那些笑話漫話都幾好笑架。
作者: Aerosol_Ma 時間: 12-5-22 23:48
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Hi evacalbee,
What level you son join the EPGY? My son just finished his 3 months training. What do you think about it?
作者: 已刪除用戶 時間: 12-5-22 23:58
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3 months training? do you mean Grade 1?
我仔仔讀緊Grade 3, 已經深咗好多.
我地唔打算太push仔仔, 因為老公八到其他小朋友讀到Grade 8會頂唔住考唔到. 所以只係諗住每年只讀一至兩個Grade
其實課程係怪怪地, 因為跟美國. 但佢真係stanford搞的, 所以我對個course有信心
有能力讀上去有大學學分, 都不錯.
同埋希望呢個course幫到佢第日考中學, 算叫做有D突出之處吧.
你覺得如何?
作者: marcuscyrus 時間: 12-5-23 00:02
我贊成要均衡發展，有能力的他自己自然會做多一點，其他方面反而要多平衡一下，讓佢眼光可以放遠一些
作者: Aerosol_Ma 時間: 12-5-23 00:10
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To make it clear, my son joined John Hopkins CTY program. This program uses EPGY mateials so my son used EPGY website to login. Hope this clear.
I just bought 3-months time from 2-1-12 to end of April. So I just finished the period. My son finished Grade 3 and Grade 4 and he passed the exam. He loves it so much. However I will stop for this summer and when he joins P1 this Sep, we will decide how to "explore" his Math further. Besides it is not too cheap, so I have downloaded a e-book and plan teach him pre-algebra thsi summer. My partner STRONGLY aginat it, ha!
作者: 已刪除用戶 時間: 12-5-23 00:53
你仔仔好叻呀. john hopkins同stanford大概epgy course都一樣啦.
其實epgy d grade唔係太多, 我覺得停下無所謂, 你有無plan大概佢讀幾多年讀哂個epgy?
我諗學習都會有樽頸位, 譬如好似到佢8歲時讀到grade 10唔明,咁可能有需要停下先再讀.
所以我想平均D, 一年讀兩個等佢有期待.
另外, 其實如果佢係喜歡, 教佢pre-algebra都無所謂, 佢會開心就得啦.
我仔仔都讀得開心, 這樣先叫做愉快學習嘛~ :)
作者: 已刪除用戶 時間: 12-5-23 00:53
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覆左你响上面.
作者: 已刪除用戶 時間: 12-5-23 01:00
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其實我有教佢道理, 同佢講數學唔只係數字, 所以要學好中英文. 故此佢都無側重數學.
就係因為讀EPGY所以佢明白英文都要好.
呢D反而令佢有自發性, 所以唔係一定培育佢的興趣就令佢側埋一邊.
都可以有方法令佢都明白要平均....
都係果句, 佢鐘意又開心就好了
作者: marcuscyrus 時間: 12-5-23 10:03
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so good!!
其實我意思不是說唔比或抑制
而是我覺得如果個小朋友真的喜歡，能力又夠，佢自然會要求做更多，反而在他的強項不用太操心
舉例一個數學好的孩子，平常上課的東西不用像一個數學差的孩子一樣要補習加強，他可以用更多的時間去多接觸這個社會的人和事，我覺得對他的成長更有益處
我所說的發展，不只指學術或技能上，還包括社交和品格上
(重申，我並非指著重某方面就不能學好社交和品格，只是比重上^_^)
作者: silvia_ng 時間: 12-5-23 10:16
我之前買左呢本比呀仔試做下, 到小三我就正式比佢學奧數, 佢話同學校學既唔一樣, 好開心喎。
如果你仔仔有興趣做數, 可以試下買, 新加坡出的奧數練習, 大眾書局買的。
作者: Aerosol_Ma 時間: 12-5-23 17:37
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Hi sivvia_ng,
I bought it for my son a few months ago. Yes it's quite interesting. If I recall correctly, there is another level available.
作者: Aerosol_Ma 時間: 12-5-23 18:15
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Hi evacalbee,
Thanks for your sharing. Maybe you also agree that EPGY is not very organized (just my own option). The questions are appeared by random. Sometimes I find out that after a difficult divdion calculation, say, then it will "suddenly" change to simple addition. ANd I can't select which topics by myself. My son loves the "drawing" platform and he learns it with fun.
To which level? Now I am awaiting to this P1 this Sep. I need to check with his Math teacher if there any supports from the school. I know his school quite support Olympiad Math. If yes I may switch to OM and I can teach him algebra by myself. He has been leanring OM outside for 4 months. In fact those questions are quite interesting.
Maybe play some competitions next year. Will you want to try too?
作者: 已刪除用戶 時間: 12-5-25 00:12
回復 Aerosol_Ma 的帖子
係呀,突然有加數係有少少怪. 但某程度上我覺得係個course的design, 或者係等小朋友可以小小relax, 又或者某程度上加强佢地的基礎/增加小小信心.
反而係覺得佢地好唔先進,website又舊,好似唔係好professional.
anyway, 仔仔覺得學到又覺得進步, 無壞既.
我估到某一個grade會到樽頸位,所以我唔太PUSH佢好快咁讀哂.
你最後決定讀邊間小學? 會唔會係GT? 如果係呢間我個人覺得對這間學校無乜信心.
btw我仔仔升小二了, 至於參加比賽我想等到小三先.
我有少少係因為唔想佢太自負,當然未必有獎,或者我又唔想佢輸.
同埋我想最重要係仔仔從興趣中增加了知識.
講真,如果我比佢參賽只係想佢有D"成就"增加機會入讀好中學.
所以覺得唔洗太早比賽. hee...
作者: 已刪除用戶 時間: 12-5-25 00:20
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sorry 我無特別意思架...
社交和品格係一個大學問, 真係唔係話教佢就曉. 講真我仔仔情緒管理有點差, 但我偏向覺得IQ高的小朋友情緒都有點問題. 要更用心去教.
身教好重要, 我相信有時我有些不好的行為讓他學了, 但我還相信愛可以改變他, 用心付出教佢, 佢會感受到, 又會變回好孩子了.
(離題添...)
anyway, 個個小朋友都唔同, 父母們唯有用心用自家方法教好孩子吧. :)
作者: Aerosol_Ma 時間: 12-5-25 11:03
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Hi evacalbee,
Yes the EPGY is very old style. For kids, okay, for adult standard, very low.
BTW, I am concern why you said you don't have confidence on GT. APS has second interview thsi June but it's not straight-train and I don't like to find a secondary school later. Besides, my son's is bad in music. Although he is good at memory but the musical sense is ... bad (I guess). I intend don't go for second interview. SO hope to know more your view point on GT. Thx.
作者: 已刪除用戶 時間: 12-5-26 09:50
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唔知cky你係咪有offer，其實cky幾好，因為佢語言上做得唔錯。我見你講過佢功課淺。其實佢d功課著重思維，我識得個爸爸兩個小朋友讀，一個中一個小學，大女係資優生，都要用兩個鐘做功課，project形式較多。一分錢一分貨，佢收這個學費老師都請得好d。
Gt功課頭兩年功課好淺，因為佢主張愉快學習。感覺上gt教學方向未明確。
另外我對gt的其他意見pm咗你。
Aps師資較好，校齡較長，學校自不然有一套standard方法教好學生。我記得aps校長做過一編訪問，話家長們誤解佢地對音樂的要求，但我搵唔返果篇訪問。但你可以睇下一些家長對音樂科的疑慮。
http://www.edu-kingdom.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=157758&extra=page%3D1&page=2
我三間都無讀過，主要係留意人哋d comment，所以請只作參考。我會覺得你最好2nd in去咗先，等自己有長小小時間考慮和觀察。
你小朋友咁叻，到中學時唔會難搵學校。佢本人有無preference?
作者: Aerosol_Ma 時間: 12-5-26 12:13
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Hi evacalbee,
很多謝妳的分享. 妳的意見很有用. 我應該會去APS second in. 這是一所很好的小學. 我小朋友手指嫲嫲, 所以piano不太好. 但他老師說他作曲不錯. 我大笑.
我小朋友說話不叻, 我問他讀那一小學是沒多太用. 他沒有主見, 只是記性好小小和對數學＋分之有興趣.
GT 內的giftd不太多, 我很想小朋友愉快學習, 有一個開心童年. 學業上我不太擾心. 這裡有一位資深BK會員 ANChan, 他(她) 的意見十分好. 所从慢慢會去買多啲 brain teaser, analogy 嘅書. Amazon 有好多. 對SCAT有用. 所以如果你想入John Hopkins's Talent Search, 你也要準備一吓.
Please also check PM.
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