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作者: bamama 時間: 12-3-19 12:06 標題: 聽完真道簡介會, 有點失望
一直以來, 不少人也稱讚真道是一所很好的學校, 加上真道去年已認證為IB SCHOOL, 所以籍着小女快要報校之時, 去聽一聽有關簡介會, 了解一下不同的IB SCHOOL 有什麼分別. 在會上, 印象最深刻的是, 講者不停地說他們的學生取了很多獎, 學校又取得4張教育上的證書, 關於課程的發展, 似乎沒有太詳細的介紹, 這也不出為奇, 可能校方是想在家長發問時間, 等家長問了再解說. 但最令本人不明白的, 是校方不願在簡介會內回答有關IB的問題.
當時本人想詢問IB的問題, 講者便說, 小朋友現在才是BB, 幾時才到IB呢? 當時立即惹來家長們的笑聲, 講者又說, 這是最後一條IB問題. 當時我感到我受譏諷了, 我也回應了, 我相信很多家長也因為真道能提供IB的課程, 而來聽這簡介會, 之後我便把問題問完. 我感到的是, 真道說自己是IB學校, 又強調提供11年的教育, 而最後小朋友是要考IB / 334 的大學入學試, 家長在問有關IB的問題有何不可? 我擔心的是, 如果小朋友上課時問了一些超越課程的問題, 會否同樣受到譏諷? 如果校方不想在會上回答有關問題, 大可請家長會後留步再談, 實在不用如此對待家長.
當日我的問題是: 真道會提供多少個IB的學額? 校方回答, 只有最多1/3的高中學生有機會讀IB.
我相信有關的比例, 絕對會影響家長會否選擇真道, 那為什麼在入學簡介會中不能問IB問題?
我只是把實情說出, 很想知, 這是學校的風氣, 還是講者(在真道做了10年課程的博士)個人的問題?
對真道, 真的很失望! 也力勸所有家長, 不要單靠口碑, 一定要親自去多了解學校, 才替小朋友選校.
作者: poonseelai 時間: 12-3-19 13:01
bamama 發表於 12-3-19 12:06 
一直以來, 不少人也稱讚真道是一所很好的學校, 加上真道去年已認證為IB SCHOOL, 所以籍着小女快要報校之時, ...
My understanding in the past was that 真道 will let the students take both 334 and IB. Perhaps the plan was changed after the former principal had left.
作者: poonseelai 時間: 12-3-19 13:44
poonseelai 發表於 12-3-19 13:01 
My understanding in the past was that 真道 will let the students take both 334 and IB. Perhaps the ...
Also, I wonder whether a 11 year programme for IB will be too harsh for students. Most schools offering IB programmes in HK run either a 12 year or 13 year programme. I believe the year 1 of those offering 13 year programme is equivalent to K3 of kindergartens.
作者: bamama 時間: 12-3-19 13:45 標題: 回覆:poonseelai 的帖子
Yes, student can take both IB and 334 course. But student can only use one way ( Jupas or non-Jupas) to apply University in HK. And ONLY 1/3 students can take IB course.

作者: mrshoho 時間: 12-3-19 13:46 標題: 回覆:聽完真道簡介會, 有點失望
If students need to do 334 and IB, then will the workload be very heavy? And how come not everyone gets to do IB?

作者: tko-parent 時間: 12-3-19 13:59
真道小學只有 5 年,到去考公開試時細人一年,讀少一年書就去考,是否一定對學生好呢?前校長年年都講 IB,原來到他走後才正式得到 IB 認證,所以一直覺得前校長得把口叻,騙到 D 師奶粉絲,但真正去到考公開試,小朋友是否得呢?又如果我只想在香港升大學,讀 334,又駛乜去報真道呢?好 D 既津校、其他直資仲好添!
作者: bamama 時間: 12-3-19 14:01 標題: 回覆:mrshoho 的帖子
因真道是直資學校,受政府規管,要有一定人數考333。

作者: reneeleung 時間: 12-3-19 14:07
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作者: Fatrara 時間: 12-3-19 14:19
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HI, Bamama,
Sorry to hear you had such a bad experience with [size=1.17em]真道. I too have a lot of questions about IB. [size=1.17em] I learn more about IB from the website: www.ibo.org
Can I assume that your child is applying to primary school? If that is the case, I guess the school was trying to avoid your IB questions is because [size=1.17em]真道 is[size=1.17em] not a Primary Year Program ("PYP") qualified IB School according to the list in the IB website (correct me if I am wrong).
The IB program contains 3 qualifications: PYP, MYP (Middle Year Program) and DP (Diploma Program - Year 12 and Year 13). According to the IB official website, [size=1.17em]真道 is only qualified for the DP program.
If your kid is primary school age, you can check out the website and find a MYP program in Hong Kong for her.
Hope this helps. And good luck!
作者: bamama 時間: 12-3-19 14:35 標題: 回覆:Fatrara 的帖子
Thanks Fatrara for your information. I feel so bad because in an IB School introductory seminar, I can't ask something about IB. I think that is ridiculous!

作者: YanKanMom 時間: 12-3-19 15:17
我的子女在真道讀初小, 從用家的角度看, 它確是一所好學校, 好在:
1) 學校包容度高, 容讓孩子發展有綬急之分, 不會只看孩子分數, 較平等對待每一個孩子.
2) 師資優良, 教學方法活潑, 不著重操練死讀, 較重思考.
因子女同在一間學校就讀, 故無法親身與其他學校比較, 只可與聴聞比較, 或且說如小孩在真道不開心, 在其他學校開心的機會也不大吧!
真道只取了IB最後階段之認證-DP, 但自初小起的教學已是校本課程. 除非是國際學校, 所有學生考IB, 直資學校是要考334的, 只可某一限額的學生考IB, 因此聖保羅男女, 男拔等也是分IB和334兩批學生的.
作者: bamama 時間: 12-3-19 15:52 標題: 回覆:YanKanMom 的帖子
我就是不知真道如何,所以才去聽簡介會。只是,作為一位家長,表達要問IB問題,卻被取之用於笑料,未免太沒禮貌吧!或者,這只是講者的問題,但真道給我的印象,便十二萬分之差。常說要身教,老師也這樣,實在很難放心讓小朋友入讀,所以我們也決定不會報讀了。

作者: YanKanMom 時間: 12-3-19 16:14
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噢, 這很可惜! 希望妳的小朋友可找到一間理想的學校.
作者: Christi 時間: 12-3-19 16:21
334和IB一齊讀是無可能的事. 其實真道在幾年級將學生分流(334/IB)呢?
作者: ratafan 時間: 12-3-19 16:29 標題: 回覆:poonseelai 的帖子
Its not possible for an individual to take ib and 334 simultaneously, u gotta choose one stream, either ib or 334, but not both!

作者: bamama 時間: 12-3-19 16:57 標題: 回覆:ratafan 的帖子
They claim some students can take both courses.

作者: HaYi 時間: 12-3-19 16:59
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我雖然放左真道, 但覺得佢都不失為一好學校, 我地 second in 時是個博士同另一位女士, 感覺博士都不是寸之人, 可能介紹會語氣有錯覺 (?) 但給家長如此印象實在有些失分. 感覺他不是一位marketing 好叻(如前校長或 YW 校長), 看上年"前校長"離職前後的2次家長簡介會就知..
但我之前聽有在真道讀的中學生家長說"前校長"給的signal 是可以2樣一齊讀的, (成績好的有同學真的在考慮中), 現在是否改左呢 ? 原來直資一定要keep 番人讀 334 咩 (?), 比例要的是多少呢, 我只知因為行IB 較新(對真道), 同埋 不同學費(聽說預6-7千, 比334班會貴很多), 到現在家長都反應不一, 所以在現時未必人人會考慮 IB 倒是真的. 但我相信 IB 是大勢, 會更多學校考慮提供, 所以真道都叫行快左一步. 我自己會去的另一學校聽說都在想IB, 不過家長的反應亦很不一..
另外真道少人一年, 我反而覺得不是太大的問題, 以前我們小學上中學, 中學上預科, 預科上大學, 總有不少時間是repeat 之前所學, 因轉校等.. 真道 少一年是因一條龍, 省左我們以前要轉校要重新應的時間, 如果FS year 同之後的年 做得好, 不失為一個幾好的方法, 亦有人提出比其它同學年紀少些可能公開試輸些, 就不知有冇data support .. 真道好似都冇咩考公開試..(??)
作者: bamama 時間: 12-3-19 17:16 標題: 回覆:HaYi 的帖子
當日校方表示只有1/3同學可入讀IB 課程,其他要讀334,有能力而校方許可,同學可讀哂兩個課程。其實我仲有好多問題想問,但又話唔俾問,所以真係唔清楚佢點運作。

作者: ratafan 時間: 12-3-19 17:21
I think theres a misunderstanding. Does he mean taking ib and hkdse simultaneously? If yes, My goodness, I feel pity for those students taking both at the same time. Really need to understand how it works without going crazy.... to the best of my understanding, these are two different exams. In is NOT igcse which is easier than hkcee where historically, there are students who take igcse in form 3/4 before sitting for hkcee, but quite impossible to take ib and hkdse at the same time
作者: bamama 時間: 12-3-19 17:26 標題: 回覆:ratafan 的帖子
唉,就係想問清楚囉。結果被打壓,一句"這是最後一題關於IB嘅問題。"乜都無得問。

作者: ratafan 時間: 12-3-19 17:37 標題: 回覆:bamama 的帖子
I share your view, bamama, u need to be crystal clear on this point before making this decision as their curriculum lasts for 11 years, need to understand clearly the roadmap of thhose not taking ib (ie 334), if they expect students taking both streams, it would be quite disastrous , esp for those students who are not 考試材料

作者: bamama 時間: 12-3-19 18:14 標題: 回覆:ratafan 的帖子
Ratafan, thanks for your advice. We think Logo is not our cup of tea. We won't consider this school anymore. Not just because of the bad experience in the introductory seminar, but also the learning approach of the school.

作者: littlefaith 時間: 12-3-19 19:02
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我當年又唔會因為一次簡介會,決定報唔報一間學校。我仲會周圍問不同家長,收集多啲意見,先會決定報定唔報。真道如是、優才如是、蔡繼有亦如是。報學校唔同買棵菜,功課點都要做吓。
作者: bamama 時間: 12-3-19 19:03 標題: 回覆:bamama 的帖子
在此,只想提醒一下對真道有興趣的家長,一定要了解清楚334 及IB的問題。

作者: bamama 時間: 12-3-19 20:02 標題: 回覆:littlefaith 的帖子
對,功課一定要做足。所以不要只問口碑,家長們一定要去聽簡介會,親身去了解下,感受下。

作者: creamychoy 時間: 12-3-19 20:22
當日負責人話黎緊會有一個專講lB既家長講座,所以當日先唔想用太多時間解答IB問題。(個人感覺,不喜勿插)
作者: littlefaith 時間: 12-3-19 22:18
本帖最後由 littlefaith 於 12-3-19 22:26 編輯
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簡介會只係一個機會去了解,同小朋友面試一樣,短時間真係未必睇到你想睇嘅嘢。真道係當年我同太太其中一間有心俾囡囡入嘅學校,所以我特地走去問朋友介紹認識一啲校內家長,以了解得更深入。慢慢發現真道好啱我個女,所以報讀,好彩收咗。咁我女讀咗兩年,各方面知識增長不在話下(真道將常識科分為科學、社會、倫理及媒體,知識非常全面),最重要係我女學習得好開心(老師課堂設計很花心思,能帶起學生學習動機及興趣),亦有好多機會思考、發表意見,避免咗操練考試模式學習,呢樣已經係其中最大得著。
當然,如果真道當年唔係我哋杯茶,我哋都唔會花時間去了解啦。
作者: luilui007 時間: 12-3-19 22:40
簡介會是首要, 第一印象好緊要, 不要盲目附從口碑, 因為人人的小朋友是不同的
作者: jeremyphlam 時間: 12-3-19 23:19
bamama 發表於 12-3-19 15:52 
我就是不知真道如何,所以才去聽簡介會。只是,作為一位家長,表達要問IB問題,卻被取之用於笑料,未免太沒 ...
我都有去個簡介會,我唔覺得你被取笑啊。會唔會你諗多咗?就因為這個原因出post話間學校唔好又唔係幾公道喎。
作者: GIPW 時間: 12-3-19 23:46
I have a look at the IB website and noticed that they min age for IB is 16-19
Not sure if this is a strict rule. If 真道 offers 11 years academic, then most of the students when they sit for the year 10, they are less than 16. If 細 B will be just 15 or below 15 Did any parents ask this question ? Though the site normally but not sure if this is a hard requirement ?
Quote from the IB website
The IB Diploma Programme is designed as an academically challenging and balanced programme of education with final examinations that prepares students, normally aged 16 to 19, for success at university and life beyond. The programme is normally taught over two years and has gained recognition and respect from the world's leading universities.
作者: daisy17772 時間: 12-3-20 01:28
I think as parents we need to be very careful in finding and searching for facts. 3 years ago when I first attended their seminar, one of the pt the ex-Principal stressed that their students could go for 334 and IB Dip in parallel which he seemed to highlight this to distinguish themselves from other ordinary IB school. However he never mentioned only about 1/3 students could opt for IB, neither mentioned about only those high flyer could opt for both systems, and that as DDS school, they are obliged to send a number of students for 334. Now, it seems that some schools, those elite and academically strong schools like Co-Ed, DBS, has already started to provide both system IB and 334 for students to choose but not both. So I think it's unrealistic to believe that our children would have that calibre to attempt both system, neither those elite schools are brave to claim to do so. So all in all, I won't choose this school because it offers IB. I should treat it as a very ordinary school which allows children with appropriate calibre to attempt IB.
作者: poonseelai 時間: 12-3-20 09:10
Logos got the IBDP approval in April 2011. Presumably the school can start offering IB programme in Sept 2011 with the first cohort attending the exam in May 2013. Any parents can share information about the current status, e.g. no. of IB students, subjects offered, and how many students taking both 334 and IB etc. How about results of its HKCEE/A level exam(s)?
作者: poonseelai 時間: 12-3-20 09:27
reneeleung 發表於 12-3-19 14:07 
我不懂考大學學制, 但從學生學習和老師教學方面我想不出來, 何來一校兩制. 以我對香港學校管理和教學認識, ...
Just want to clarify the point about "如果說, 到了學生考完HKDSE跟住叻的同學讀多一年考DP, 我都覺得有可能". I am afraid this is not feasible. IBDP is not simply an exam like A level. It is a 2 year programme with an exam at the end. About 30% of the final marks is based on the on-going assessments/assignments at school.
作者: chunyatmama 時間: 12-3-20 10:33
I do not response to posts very often. However, for the issue on IB, I think parents shall do a bit more research. I do not think a student, so as for elite student, can take both DSS and IB at the same time. Because the teaching and the assessment approach are of very different.
For Lago, as some parents mentioned, I will not judge a school just based on an introductory seminar. I can imagine a not very good school can become a very good school just by mouth. I believe there must be something that we cannot miss.
For my kids, I think I will apply for the school though this is not my target.
作者: c4ceci 時間: 12-3-20 10:58
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你當日問題問得好好....
但其實公平D.....你唔好嬲住先....
我又唔覺得佢係寸你果隻.....
因為在你發問之前,差不多大部份人都係問IB嘅問題.....
但其實個TALK係"小一入學簡介"....
佢都係想你地問返小一課程問題......
作者: bamama 時間: 12-3-20 11:01
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請勿誤會, 我沒有說學校不好. 老實說, 以一間直資學校來說, 真道應該是不錯的.
我想表達的是, 我不明白為什麼不讓家長發問有關IB的問題, 就算之後有一個關於IB的講座, 又是否只提供給真道的家長(因DS的家長們要決定小朋友是否讀IB)? 是否OPEN? 真道也以成為IB SCHOOL為榮, 也是賣點之一, 而且有很多的安排也直接影響到家長的決定, 那為什麼不可以問有關問題?
另外, 我不考慮真道, 並非單因簡介會中某博士的表現, 而是覺得教學方面不太適合小女, 真道吸引我的, 是它的IB課程, 但我對它的語言環境則沒太大信心, 所以才有此決定.
當日說不再回答IB問題, 可能只是某博士的個人決定, 並非學校的方向, 但這已令人扣了不少分數.
我提出這事, 只想家長們要多做點功課, 特別是去認識一些一條龍中小學時, 不要忘了中學部份, 要了解多一點, 如果可以, 中學部的簡介會也應該去聽一聽, 了解一下.
作者: bamama 時間: 12-3-20 11:18
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哈哈, 放心, c4ceci, 我只係唔好彩/ 好彩? 至少我可以問埋條問題.
但為什麼那麼多人問? 正因為我們關心而又不清楚細節. 學校成日話小朋友一讀便11年, IB可能是很多人的選擇, 如果能入讀IB的只是三分一學生, 可能有不少家長也會重新考慮. 我只想說明這點.
我相信當日很多家長也不知道不是所有學生也可選讀IB的. 之前, 我曾聽過另一所學校的中學部簡介會, 很高興, 有家長問了此問題, 當時我想, 為什麼在小學部的簡介會中沒人提及? 如果我當初知道有關比例, 會否影響我的決定? 所以我才提出這問題, 希望家長們都可以知多啲. 其實之後也可能有很多更好更好的問題, 不過可能沒機會在此簡介會問了, 有點可惜呢!
作者: poonseelai 時間: 12-3-20 12:14
bamama 發表於 12-3-20 11:18 
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哈哈, 放心, c4ceci, 我只係唔好彩/ 好彩? 至少我可以問埋條問題.
I totally agree that parents should look at both the primary and secondary sections if they target through-train schools. It's not difficult to provide a happy and caring environment in the primary section, and yet when students move into the secondary section academic levels and teaching approach etc still count. In any event, parents would their children going to good universities, right? IB is still very new in HK and it is reasonable for parents to ask questions about it. In the past we did not have to ask as A level was the only choice for majority of us. Nowadays there are so many choices for parents to consider: traditional, IB, IB based, project approach and so on. It's just another difficult task for parents la!
作者: babadogcat 時間: 12-3-20 21:58
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Hello bamama,
我當天也在場, 你的問題我也希望聽聽回應, 可惜.......他們像四兩撥千金.....逃避, 也像有一條關於老師流失率, 又係沒有好正面回答.
或者不用失望, 只是更清楚理解他們的理念吧.
作者: YanKanMom 時間: 12-3-22 12:13
如想知多少少真道IB課程的最新發展, 可看看星島日報下列報導:
http://www.singtao.com/yesterday/edu/octopus/0322go07.html
作者: ziyi 時間: 12-3-22 12:53
其實我想知道,同樣有行IB DP的如男拔/St. Paul Co Edu的簡介會,有沒有專針對IB的提問環節??
而如果是他們辦的,你們會否擔心?
其實真道都是我喜歡的學校
我喜歡他們的學學學方法
喜歡真道的,需要花時間於了解學校FS + DS + MS的制度
多於IB
作者: YanKanMom 時間: 12-3-22 14:08
是的, 認同你說: 喜歡真道的,需要花時間於了解學校FS + DS + MS的制度
多於IB. 小朋友在初小階段的能力/實力未可完全知曉, 最終考什麼試現未能決定, 長大後再觀察, 才決定考334或IB或334+IB(如能力高又想學多些的學生)吧!
作者: creamychoy 時間: 12-3-22 14:34
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Thanks for your information! Glad to see those changes!
作者: funbeauty 時間: 12-3-22 16:24
想清楚一點, 請指教.
1)想比小朋友入真道是否一心讀IB, 如不是那其他直資都可以?
(但又不是全數學生可入IB, 咁咪好CONFUSE)
2)一心讀IB是否一心plan出國讀大學 , 如不是那 IB有咩優惠 (是著數d?)
thanks!
作者: bamama 時間: 12-3-22 16:47
就我自己的考慮 :
1. 我確想小朋友讀IB課程, 但因想小朋友多學一點中文, 所以不選國際學校;
2. 眼見本港的中小學已快迫瘋家長及小朋友, 所以想看看有沒有其他出路, 才去了解一下;
3. 其實讀IB也可通過非聯招方法報讀香港的大學, 出路不一定是出國留學, 相反, 有不少在外國/本地讀完IB課程的學生, 選擇入讀本地的大學. 有說本地的大學更愛收IB課程的學生, 因為他們不是'餵大'的, 有一定的自學能力, 而且英語的水平也很高.
4. 抱歉, 因我真的被真道的IB SCHOOL證書而吸引, 所以特別關心這方面的發展, 本港其實有很多有質素的直資學校選擇, 但能提供IB課程的並不多.
5. 在星島的報導中, 有說其語言政策, 到高小仍未全英語教學, 校方似乎未必以培養本校生升讀IB為本, 而多是收取其他學生讀IB為主.
作者: kamtsk 時間: 12-3-22 16:54
如有意讀IB的家長, 可去了解一下元朗的宏信書院. 雖然宏信還未成為IB SCHOOL ( 只開辦第二年), 但卻是以IB的方法教學. 小朋友一年班開始便以英語及普通話教學, 雙班主任制, 其中一位是外籍人士, 一位的華籍老師, 校長又每年到外地招聘老師, 在教學方面更多元化.
我的小朋友已讀一年級, 我覺得很不錯, 當然, 新校仍有很大進步的空間, 但這是一個很好的另類選擇.
作者: YanKanMom 時間: 12-3-22 16:58
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(1) 在我家來說, 入真道不是想小朋友一定考IB, 之不過多一個選擇, 到時按孩子的能力再作打算. 真道踓只有IB最後階段DP之認證, 它的課程設計(校本課程)卻是從初小起已朝著這方向去的.
(2) 只能說讀IB的多數預備出國, 亦可用IB成績申請香港各大學Non-Jupas那條隊之學位, 是否易入些則也不一定. 但因IB的教學方法及認受性越來越被肯定, 故多了人報讀.
作者: tko-parent 時間: 12-3-22 20:03
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DBS 基本上把 DP 和 IB 完全分開,有各自的簡介會及申請程序,就好像兩間學校一樣。
DBS 完全知道他們正在做甚麼東西。
作者: ziyi 時間: 12-3-22 20:15
但男拔小學已經分了IB??
作者: HaYi 時間: 12-3-22 20:43
ziyi 發表於 12-3-22 20:15 
但男拔小學已經分了IB??
應該未架, 同埋我唔太覺dbs 小學是以IB approach 在小學階段, 好似仍是傳統的為主, 唔知中學選ib 的一班中學生考左ib試未, 成績又如何 ? 此亦是成日想在小學如不是已行ib approach, 在中學後期先轉, 就算本來成績不錯的, 會否不慣..
反而真道, 啟思同 cky 在小學都很注明以 IB approach 教學, 我覺得到真考ib時會慣些.
作者: poonseelai 時間: 12-3-22 20:51
HaYi 發表於 12-3-22 20:43 
應該未架, 同埋我唔太覺dbs 小學是以IB approach 在小學階段, 好似仍是傳統的為主, 唔知中學選ib 的一班中 ...
Results of DBS's first IB cohort is impressive, see link below:
http://www.edu-kingdom.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=2371878
作者: HaYi 時間: 12-3-22 20:53
bamama 發表於 12-3-22 16:47 
就我自己的考慮 :
1. 我確想小朋友讀IB課程, 但因想小朋友多學一點中文, 所以不選國際學校;
我都覺得真道此點是十分吸引的, 當時放棄真道的offer 亦是我放棄有offer 學校中最掙扎的一間. 而真道ib算是幾家中比較實際可負擔的 (起碼小學及初中算平, 正常價), 不似cky / 啟思一早小學已7,8千, 對我們此些普通家庭又想行ib的真是吸引. 希望真道新的負責人會明白而家上p1的家長的需求已不只是眼前的小一, 是要考慮埋中學及大學的出路, 在第2輪簡介中可以多些討論等有心申請的人明白多些.
作者: rogerlam123 時間: 12-3-23 02:15
DBS班學生已經係精英份子, 加上第一屆IB, 肯定係精英中精英 (我估計班特異功能未必有得讀), 所以成績應該會好好, 整靓個招牌嘛!
作者: Cherishvalue 時間: 12-3-23 07:18 標題: 引用:Quote:poonseelai+發表於+12-3-22+20:51+Re
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DBS班學生已經係精英份子, 加上第一屆IB, 肯定係精英中精英 (我估計班特異功能未必有得讀), 所以成績應該會 ...
DBS offers one year pre-IB to bridge the kids.
Its primary division offers neither IB PYP nor so called IB approach program.

作者: YanKanMom 時間: 12-3-23 10:12
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真道辦學的理念, 是想將外國(如國際學校)優良的教學方法融入本地教學, 故雖在2011年才取得IB-DP認證(配合第一屆IB學生2013年應考), 但一開始已是沿用此理念教學. 另一方面學校意願是想讓優質教育平民化, 因此初小至初中學費相宜, 亦因此不申請IB-PYP及IB-MYP, 如一條龍IB, 初小至初中學費一定不便宜的.
作者: coco209 時間: 12-3-23 11:52 標題: 回覆:聽完真道簡介會, 有點失望
真道係用中文教學,想知道銜接到IB課程嗎?

作者: TansonMa 時間: 12-3-23 12:32
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同意YanKanMom的留言。畢竟考唔考IB是好睇同學的個人能力。近日學校安排了幾位讀緊DSE組,IB組和DSE+IB組的中五(MS3)師兄師姐 跟中四面臨ib的決擇的學弟學妹逐班去介紹各組別的要求和感受。更有趣的是這幾位黃毛丫頭居然還在家長會跟Uncle antie 去分享各組別的感受,還回應家長們的問題。師兄姐們答得大方得體,衆家長們非常感恩。他們還大膽要求如同學分流後,最想父母如何配合他們去應付公開試。詳情我不太知道,大少只是小二學生,距離IB還有漫漫長路。自覺無須急於現在就要知道IB的一切。在學校的家長會網站留言中,看到有家長分享當晚有家長問其中一位修讀緊『雙軌』課程的師兄/姐為何要自己咁辛苦修讀兩個課程考兩個公開試?他/她回應是:「知道DSE成績已可入本地大學,讀IB是為追求知識,豐富人生。」你們看來是否覺得他們扮嘢?但我們家長看著只得十五六歲的少年人能講出這樣的話,就覺得非常感動了。Bamama, 希望你看完後,能改變你一些看法。
作者: HaYi 時間: 12-3-23 14:53
TansonMa 發表於 12-3-23 12:32 
同意YanKanMom的留言。畢竟考唔考IB是好睇同學的個人能力。近日學校安排了幾位讀緊DSE組,IB組和DSE+IB組的 ...
我識的其中一位真道中學生應該是其中一位會雙軌的學生, 覺得他真是很叻的 (聽說是資優又冇問題個些), 所以此些學生有機會雙軌, 他們又能分配到時間, 相信一定可入些不錯的大學.
作者: HaYi 時間: 12-3-23 15:05
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真道辦學的理念, 是想將外國(如國際學校)優良的教學方法融入本地教學, 故雖在2011年才取 ...
其實行小學會行 IB approach 都十分吸引, 省錢又達同一目標.
只是校本的問題, 好多要靠老師的資歷去引導才實踐出理想的成績. 此是家長間較有爭議的, 好似我亦識不少真道FS 家長說不清楚子女所學的程度 (可能因所學同其它學校不同無從比較..)
作者: YanKanMom 時間: 12-3-23 15:49
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大女FS1時, 確需要一些時間了解/適應學校的校本課程, 但慢慢便可掌握, 最重要是看見她由初期寫日誌時很多字也不懂, 漸漸能寫多些字, 到現在DS1寫週記已大致可自己操筆, 數學程度也與坊間差不多, 社會/科學可能比坊間更宏觀, 所以也沒有什麼不放心了. 我這樣想: 真道的教學不會拖垮我的子女, 只是我的子女能否讀得好吧了!
作者: TansonMa 時間: 12-3-23 17:54
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同意。
作者: ANChan59 時間: 12-3-24 05:15
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1)想比小朋友入真道是否一心讀IB, 如不是那其他直資都可以?
(但又不是全數學
生可入IB, 咁咪好CONFUSE)
2)一心讀IB是否一心plan出國讀大學 , 如不是那 IB有咩優惠 (是著數d?)
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I am not a LA parents, but an IBer's father.
1. It's not LA's problem, it's the ruling of DSS from EDB, most of DSS students take local curriculum. You can refer the EDB website related to DSS. Unless the school takes CKY's approach, as private school and you can offer 100% IBDP in Garde 11-12.
Also, don't take IB as fancy and trendy topic, it needs commitment and better planning for it. The kid as the key stakeholder needs to sacrifice and works extremely hard to learn and get good grades (求學不單是求分數).
2. Go local or overseas, it's your choice and base on different consideration, like exposure and financial affordability...... If you prefer IB, you should go to IBO website and study their mission and vision, the learner profile. I would say its 101 for parents to really understand IB's philosophy.
Back to the question, after 19 months as IB student's father (Pre-IB + IB yr 1), I can see my son has the following improvements:
a. better time management;
b. significant improvements on both Chinese and English - independent oral presentation, writing skills......
c. shaped by the experienced teachers and just like an university student (Sorry to downgrade the IBers.), good essay writing skills, self initiative, self motivation, depth of knowledge, time management, global thinking......
d. better career and future studies planning among the group with full support from the school;
e. TOK is an interesting subjects to develop his critical thinking and knowledge acquiring templates.......
f. work long hours .......
I hate to use this word in education "著數" (I prefer 優勢), he really acquires life long learning skills with IBer profile or attributes. He is more ready to embrace the new challenges in his future life. It sounds appealing to me anyway!!!
作者: ANChan59 時間: 12-3-24 05:33
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「知道DSE成績已可入本地大學,讀IB是為追求知識,豐富人生。」
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Just take IB alone can satisfy his/her requirement. He needs to work harder in TOK's critical thinking or internalize the model answer.
作者: ANChan59 時間: 12-3-24 05:51
tko-parent 發表於 12-3-22 20:03 
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DBS 基本上把 DP 和 IB 完全分開,有各自的簡介會及申請程序,就好像兩間學校一樣。
I am not sure what's your meaning as highlighted above in red color. PD is primary division for G1 admission, G10 for Pre-IB, G11-12, IBDP.
My 2 cents.....
DBS is not an fully accredited IB through train school.
In primary division, a local DSS school, local curriculum, 6 years, G1 admission.
In secondary division, also local curriculum from G7-9.
In-house students need to decide to take either IB stream or NSS stream in G9, the school organised seminar for students and parents. The IB admission based on competition, if they opt for NSS or not accepted by IB, they will take HKDSE with your electives.
For external students, DBS organised a separate IB admission seminar for them, of course, some parents and students are from DBS's junior grades. In the seminar, they addressed what is Pre-IB and IB, why IB? students from different grades to share their experience, parent's sharing, university offers and boarding arrangement, then Q&A for an hour this year.
作者: ANChan59 時間: 12-3-24 08:03
ziyi
I know, I addressed the clarification to tko_parent only.
I hope the clarification of IB admission talk meet your need.
作者: YanKanMom 時間: 12-3-24 10:46
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謝謝你的分享!
完全認同
"Also, don't take IB as fancy and trendy topic, it needs commitment and better planning for it. The kid as the key stakeholder needs to sacrifice and works extremely hard to learn and get good grades (求學不單是求分數)."
天父很眷顧你, 有一個聰明好學的兒子. 聰明是一份恩賜, 但勤力好學更重要, 這也是我最希望我的子女可做到的.
作者: tko-parent 時間: 12-3-24 10:50
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It just a quoting mistake.
I mean DBS (not DBSPD) offers both HKDSE (or 3-3-4) and IB course. They have separate admission procedure, just like 2 independent schools.
DBSPD is a English local primary school offers only the local course (Syllabus).
作者: ANChan59 時間: 12-3-25 08:22
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I guess .......如有類同,實屬巧合
Fxnny was impressed by PY's education philosophy and encouraged him and the sponsor institution to start LA under DSS. PY's idea was in good intention to translate the IB methodology into local DSS with reasonable cost, may have blessing(s) from the EDB senior official(s) for certain flexibility in curriculum.
When Fxnny was out of EDB after series of reforms, other EDB officials will follow the DSS rule strictly, all DSS schools must follow "majority of students need to study NSS and then take HKDSE". What PY can do either follow other IB schools like DBS and SPCC or like the current arrangement for compliance,
(I assume all are 1/3)
1. HKDSE
2. IBDP
3. IBDP + HKDSE
It means 2/3 students taking IBDP and 2/3 taking HKDSE and complied to DSS ruling, also satisfy most parents' needs.
In DBS, only 1/4 IB quota from EDB.... max 60 for IB. 180 for NSS. The original plan was 100 IB quota after the completion of the IB building. IB has separate classrooms, labs and POSH library in the IB building. It means 無牙力 just bullshit.
As PY was out last year, we need to be fair, patient and sympathetic to the new administration, give them some time. They work extremely hard to clear up and fix those problems ......
作者: ANChan59 時間: 12-3-25 08:51
DSS and IB approach together is the new phenomenon in HK, we should be more open mind and patient to those school, let those schools to trial and error..... it's an uncharted territory. As all pioneers face challenges, changed environments, not as planned results...... they move on based on their vision and mission.
I will be more sympathetic to them, if not, everyone will pull back and no more innovative ideas and changes......but they need to be honest and transparent to themselves, parents and the public.
Personally, I prefer IB; but not suitable for all kids, not because of academic capability and language proficiency, also need to consider their character and their personal learning methods. As no ones-fit all type of curriculum, certain flexibility within the school is good enough to cater all kids' diversity. I don't say IB or NSS which one is better. I would say IB fit my son better, without knowing his grades in IBDP,
作者: tko-parent 時間: 12-3-25 11:54
I don't think its his "PHILOSOPHY", he is not such great. I think its just a little idea of him to continue his career. No need to retired after 60 in DSS school, can give himeself a much more salary than in a Aided school, can be a Principal of both a secondary school and a primary school which cannot be realize in Aided schools. And the most important point is no one can control him to do anything in the first few years, the School Board cannot, EDB cannot, he make himself a King in LA.
作者: littlefaith 時間: 12-3-25 20:05
tko-parent 發表於 12-3-25 11:54 
I don't think its his "PHILOSOPHY", he is not such great. I think its just a little idea of him to c ...
Is there any evidence to prove your points? If what you've said were true, there would have been plenty of schools for him to 'continue his career' and 'earn more'.
作者: catyoyo 時間: 12-3-26 09:18
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Dear ANChan59,
Thanks a lot for your sharing regarding IB. I am so lazy that having not get through all details regarding IB, still I prefer its concept and put my elder son into this direction. I think his style fit this and he enjoy much. Now my younger son will go to P1 soon but he is different style. He likes follow instructions. But i hope that he can be more proactive in learning and in his life hence I decide to go for the same direction. It is risk taking but i hope that we can make it together. Any advice for me?
catyoyo
作者: ANChan59 時間: 12-3-26 11:25
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The risk is low as for primary, I would say go for a try, but also consider the back up plan for just in case.
作者: stseng 時間: 12-3-26 13:54
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tko-parent 難道你認識PY 或是PY肚裏條虫, 否則你從何得知? 如果估估吓, 冇根冇據而甘講, 好似系人身攻擊或誹謗喎.
作者: ziyi 時間: 12-3-26 17:20
littlefaith 發表於 12-3-25 20:05 
Is there any evidence to prove your points? If what you've said were true, there would have been ple ...
為什麼越講越遠
如果他說男拔是很有制度的分開
因為男拔小跟男拔中是2間獨立的學校
而每年男拔都會公開收中學部的學生
但真道自小學部的學生升上中學部後...根本沒有再公開收生
個人的看法:兩者是有分別的,有不可比性
而前校長沒有說什麼不對的事...當年我參加了2次的簡介,學校說明了正在申請IB,很多事不能說...我接受
相反...區內另一學校的校長..卻在簡介會批死LOGOS沒有可能辦得成IB DP.我聽落有些不舒服的
學校...有人喜歡有人唔喜歡,因各有需求
而校長獨行..但卻受到大部份家長/學生的歡迎又為什麼?
我相信跟人與人相處是一樣的...因他真心對小朋友好/對家長好
這才最重要...
如果一個為學生的人....會為了這些??咁應該去做商業機構還實際!!
作者: bobbi 時間: 12-3-31 16:58
請問個簡介會係幾時舉行?
係咪FOR 2012年9月入學之學生?
作者: bighead9849 時間: 12-4-1 00:03
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FOR 2013 9月入學的
作者: TansonMa 時間: 12-4-3 17:29
Bobbi, 第三輪小一簡介會在4月27日舉行,先打電話預位喇!
http://www.logosacademy.edu.hk/frameset02.htm
作者: cstchan 時間: 12-4-7 16:28
bamama 發表於 12-3-22 16:47 
就我自己的考慮 :
1. 我確想小朋友讀IB課程, 但因想小朋友多學一點中文, 所以不選國際學校;
在香港,根本沒有直資小學提供IBPYP課程,私校中也只有滬江維多利亞學校提供 (MYP & DP也有),其餘都是國際學校。
直資中學中,也只有啟思中學提供IBMYP課程 (也有DP),男拔、男女保羅、真道都只提供IBDP課程,另有私立中學蔡繼有也提供IBDP課程。
作者: bamama 時間: 12-4-7 20:14 標題: 回覆:cstchan 的帖子
謝謝提醒。但有些真資學校會以本地的課程,但IB的模式教學。如元朗的宏信書院便是(小兒就讀的學校),而王錦輝也有引入IB的元素教學。
老實說,對於小一便要開始做TOC練習,而小三,小六(隔年)就要為TOC而操練,實在反感。所以可以有另類的選擇,我願意去多了解。

作者: cstchan 時間: 12-4-8 07:16
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bamama 發表於 12-4-7 20:14 
謝謝提醒。但有些真資學校會以本地的課程,但IB的模式教學。如元朗的宏信書院便是(小兒就讀的學校),而王 ...
那些聲稱以IB模式教學的學校,不一定真的以IB模式教學。那些沒有說以IB模式教學的學校,也可以滲入當中的元素。只要IB School,IBO才能確定學校是跟隨她的模式教學。
現在已經沒有TOC (Target Oriented Curriculum),你指的應該是TSA (Territory-wide System Assessment)。除了英基和國際學校,所有學校 (包括直資和私立) 的學生都要參加。
因為TSA教核的內容其實比正常教學範圍少和淺,所以學校不一定會操練學生,也許只需要在考試讓學生熟習考試模式。那些以IB模式教學的學校,其實也可以操練學生。
作者: bamama 時間: 12-4-8 10:40 標題: 回覆:cstchan 的帖子
Hehe, 係TSA.
正正因為咁,所以各家長一定要做足功課,好好地了解學校,看看是否與小朋友的個性和能力,及家長的期望類近,以免發生錯配,否則結果又是苦了小朋友。

作者: ANChan59 時間: 12-4-8 11:51 標題: 回覆:cstchan 的帖子
Loud and clear. Thanks.
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