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標題: 英基學童踢波變踢人 [打印本頁]
作者: kakadaddy 時間: 12-3-12 20:36 標題: 英基學童踢波變踢人
..【明報專訊】英基學校青年足球隊，涉嫌於上月12歲以下賽事中，粗暴對待傑志青年隊球員，演成「踢波變踢人」衝突。有目擊者上載當日球賽短片，英基外籍足球隊學童多次推撞和拉扯傑志球員，更有英基球員眼見對方倒地，仍上前大腳踢向其頭，學童受傷慘叫，引發雙方教練及家長罵戰及推撞。
英基承諾調查跟進
英基發言人昨回應，指暫時無收到有關投訴，因仍未了解事件始末，故不便評論，但承諾會調查及跟進。
傑志總領隊伍健表示已與英基學校協會溝通，不排除退賽：「我與大眾一樣從YouTube了解事件後與英基簡單聯繫，希望於日內獲得在場家長拍攝的全場比賽片段，並與英基進一步溝通。比賽原意讓青少年球員切磋球技，對手動作卻非常難看。若賽會判決不能令人滿意，為保障小朋友安全我們或考慮不再參與。」
事發賽事名為香港發展聯賽（Hong Kong Development League），是今年由9間學校及機構合辦的青少年賽事。賽事分3組（U14、U12及U10） ，皆不計算任何積分及紅黃牌，日前「出事」的賽事屬U12（12歲以下）組。
對方倒地 大腳踢頭
事緣英基與傑志12歲以下青年隊上月一場賽事，一條上載互聯網的球賽短片，剪輯了藍衫的英基外籍球員多次犯規，故意從後推撞、拉衫或推倒傑志球員。最嚴重是當一名傑志球員被英基外籍球員攔截倒地時，另一名英基外籍球員竟無停步，繼續趨前大腳抽向倒地白衫球員的頭部，該名港童當場掩臉呼叫，踢人者則在旁攤手示意無辜，雙方教練及家長隨即一擁而上，互相推撞及對罵。
短片﹕www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSjRVllO6UQ
作者: bobbycheung 時間: 12-3-12 21:32
1. This is got to be one of the worst fouls ever especially from a boy under 12 years old. I think he did it deliberately, aiming at the boy's head rather than the football. It's just by luck that the boy didn't get injured seriously.
2. Look at this and you will know the background
. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jUZ0pZxZMc&feature=channel
3. This is very serious. One must find out how the ESF boys were coached to play this game.
作者: Christi 時間: 12-3-12 22:11
terrible !
作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 12-3-12 22:23
I heard that this "directorcheung12" who shot and subsequently posted the video on YouTube is 張堅庭
作者: do123alex 時間: 12-3-12 22:33
ESF must investigate seriously...can any ESF parents share whether discipline and bullying is a problem at ESF
作者: judymama 時間: 12-3-12 23:53 標題: 回覆：英基學童踢波變踢人
作者: poonseelai 時間: 12-3-13 00:06
anyone knows how is the poor boy now? Just can't believe the ESF boy did this on purpose to hurt another boy. Was the EST team from a particular campus or were the players chosen from different campus?
作者: bobbycheung 時間: 12-3-13 00:28
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....據知該名受傷傑志學生賽後證實牙床移位，幸無大礙....
http://the-sun.on.cc/cnt/news/20120312/00407_083.html
作者: poonseelai 時間: 12-3-13 00:33
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....據知該名受傷傑志學生賽後證實牙床移位，幸無大礙....
Thanks, hope the boy will recover soon.
作者: bobbycheung 時間: 12-3-13 00:47
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傑志的伍健 said in his facebook that "...之前也跟大家分享過什麼是Development League，這是一個強調輕鬆，不計較賽果的比賽，讓球員在愉快的環境下享受足球比賽的樂趣。又由於比賽不重視勝負，所以亦不設紅黃牌的制度。如果發現球員打茅波，就由教練作出調節。..."
So the referee couldn't really do much as he had no power to send any player off. It's really the coach's duty to act and put a stop to the fouls. I hope that parents (especially ESF parents) will follow up this case. Kids must be warned of the serious consequences. If we allow this kind of behaviour to go on, someone will be seriously hurt one day.
作者: eneresnat 時間: 12-3-13 09:25
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I also wanna know. Is bullying serious in ESF?
作者: tingtingting 時間: 12-3-13 09:36
This is a life threatening kick. The reaction of the ESF coach was appalling!!!
作者: scl227 時間: 12-3-13 09:40
我的親戚在一所英基學校做校工, 他於三年前退休了. 談起他的工作時,
他總是說, 英基學生的行為很惡劣, 難教而不敢教!!!!
孩子們常常有打架推人行為, 可是老師也不會理會.
作者: c200 時間: 12-3-13 09:55
HA HA This is very common in UK Primary or Secondary school as well....
作者: Mighty 時間: 12-3-13 11:11
GUM恐怖、大家就不要再争住入英基啦！！ 毎一次有事発生、人総是喜歓把它GENERALISE、用「英基」２字以偏蓋全。 這班FOOTBALL KIDS其実是ESF的SPORTS開的FOOTBALL班、定係某英基学校的校隊？ 同学校的BULLYING我覚得又有何関係？ SC１２２７説的行為、間間学校都有GA LA。 名男校都一様。
作者: Mighty 時間: 12-3-13 11:18
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我有一段時間、毎日都要番SHATIN JUNIOR、個到有個校公、我重未見過他同任何小朋友有傾談、有時要在HALL OR PLAYGROUND搬野、他都一面怒容的、我就好想同他説、做得這様不開心、就不要做！！ 一様米、養百様人、問題不一定在小朋友。
作者: bobbycheung 時間: 12-3-13 11:51
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....英基教育服務營運總監Ann Pearce昨證實，涉事球員來自旗下的U12 ESF Lions隊....
http://news.mingpao.com/20120313/gfb1.htm
作者: annie40 時間: 12-3-13 12:49
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个别事件, 那里也会发生!
依然很想知道2号仔是读那间ESF, 令学校与同学蒙羞!
球证应该当场重罚失德球员, 唔好等到雙方教練及家長罵戰及推撞, 教練及家長的行为是一般的难看. (个心好想起飞脚) , 五十步笑百步吧! 如果我是球证, 我会冒着给人打的危险, 重判全体犯事教練及家長即时离场, 人必自侮而后人侮之.
细路仔做错事, 我们应该给予机会, 大人有错, 应双倍受罚, 免得教坏细路仔.
作者: misskwokwok 時間: 12-3-13 12:50
劣行難容! 希望小朋友沒有大礙! 而英基也需把事情作合理的交代! 那劣徒也應負上責任!
作者: cowmoon 時間: 12-3-13 13:43
首先那一個球員未必是來自 ESF schools 的。所以絕對不應伸延成為 ESF schools 有沒有 bullying，根本沒關係。
其次，我很看不過眼有人指摘衝出來的家長。如果你係果位比人踢頭的小朋友的家長或朋友，你是不是會靜靜地企係場外等工作人員？這根本就不是在踢波，是在打人！點呢，繼續旁觀，不如叫佢地“隻揪”？
我也不明白是什麼的風氣，小朋友粗野你不教，真的生事了（踢別人的頭點都不算小事罷）也想隻眼開隻閉似的，別人不忍來交涉，就罵別人不應這樣，“佢只係小朋友”！小朋友就係小朋友，如果你覺得應該保護佢，果個踢人的小朋友的家長和教練應該自己攬哂上身，出來道歉！
作者: awah112 時間: 12-3-13 13:51
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作者: kcvtsai 時間: 12-3-13 14:01
This is pretty bad...
作者: nintendo 時間: 12-3-13 14:10
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bobbycheung 發表於 12-3-13 11:51
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....英基教育服務營運總監Ann Pearce昨證實，涉事球員來自旗下的U12 ESF Lions隊....
esf lions，就係 esf 的學生。
作者: bobbycheung 時間: 12-3-13 14:38
本帖最後由 bobbycheung 於 12-3-13 14:42 編輯
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Annie,
You very very rarely see a player deliberately kicking someone's face in a football match. It's extremely serious. If that ESF boy had been over 14, he might have committed a criminal offence. As he is under 12, his position might be slightly better. See this http://www.hkreform.gov.hk/en/publications/rage.htm
There are really 2 issues here:-
(1) The ESF boy deliberately kicking someone's face.
(2) How were the ESF boys coached to play this game to start with?
Knowing the background of this game is important. The uploader of the youtube 短片 said that Kitchee beat ESF 16-0 in a football match a month ago. ESF however said in his newsletter that they won Kitchee 3-2. Subsequently, ESF admitted the mistake and apologized. The 2 teams met again, but this time ESF had a new coach and new players. Unfortunately, ESF was still losing 4-0 in the first half of this game. I can't imagine the ESF boys and coach were happy about all these. Now the rules of that match were that the referee had no power to give out yellow cards or send any players off. The ESF coach probably knew this and the fact that he is the only one who could restrain his players from playing rough and making the bad fouls. Unless he put a stop to it, no one else could. My questions are:-
(1) Why the coach did nothing after seeing his players making all those bad fouls? He should at least talk to his players and ask them to calm down.
(2) More importantly, were the ESF boys coached to play rough and agressively in that game to start with? If so, by whom?
My boy is not a Kitchee player. It's just that I feel there might be something wrong with the way the ESF boys were coached to play this game and we must find out why.
Bobby
作者: tingtingting 時間: 12-3-13 14:48
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(1) Why the coach did nothing after seeing his players making all those bad fouls? He should at least talk to his players and ask them to calm down.
作者: nintendo 時間: 12-3-13 14:57
應該係 "魔鬼教練" 搞到一個的小球員 "成魔"。
本來 sports 對男孩子的成長係好正面，但如果有一個用 "非常手法" 訓練球員的教練，咁後果就會好嚴重。外國好多呢類 "魔鬼教練"，希望 esf 快 d 炒佢，唔好再誤人子弟。
作者: cowmoon 時間: 12-3-13 15:25
nintendo 發表於 12-3-13 14:57
應該係 "魔鬼教練" 搞到一個的小球員 "成魔"。
本來 sports 對男孩子的成長係好正面，但如果有一個用 "非 ...
同意，所以我認為不可以因為係小朋友的比賽而不追究，否則根本就是在助長這些風氣。那一位粗野的小朋友現在不用付上後果，還被加以保護，咁到左 20歲呢？係咪最好等佢變成第 2 代魔鬼教練呢？咁樣係保護佢定係害緊佢呢？佢現在比人 label 左成為 ESF 之恥，其實佢都係好慘的。
作者: annie40 時間: 12-3-13 16:52
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大家热切讨论, 在此也作少许分享:
孩子世界有打架, 有bully是常有之事, 是成长的部分, 如果可行, 尽量让孩子去解决, 或由有关主办者作裁决. 裁决不公, 我们可選择报警, 去ICAC, 去平机会, 去教育当局投诉, 如性命攸关. 那就及早带孩子离场.
小女自小在运动场长大, 见尽家长和教练的光怪陆离, 家长们爱子心切, 忘记仪态, 行为是不可理予的. 例如:
a) 九岁孩子打 ice hocky, 自己那队已经赢二十比0, 阿妈仲要大大声喊叫: 数佢地蛋, 赢尽, 唔好放过佢地. (母性尽失?)
b) 港队挑選落選, 不停地指责有黑幕, 黑箱作业. 最后我提议既然大家讲得甘真, 甘激动, 不如去ICAC, 啊! 即刻收声!
c) 打篮球输波, 教练傻左, 系甘用粗口骂学生, 激动处还回身击打牆壁,彭彭声, 吓死细路仔.
d) 警师爸爸的女儿打输 judo, 阿爸唔肯走, 系都要人家重赛, 当然要附加粗口和中指来加强语气.
总之事例太多, 不能尽录, 如放上youtube, 又是一番公论. 如非必要, 今天我甚少往运动场看女儿作赛了!
我不是想淡化孩子的粗暴行为, 这么多人看过短片, 羞愧够了. 只希望唤醒家长们更理性的看待竞赛: 谨记: 友谊第一, 胜负第二. 要争, 去奥运会.
作者: beeman18 時間: 12-3-13 16:54
What a shame!
作者: annie40 時間: 12-3-13 17:36
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谢谢分享事件的来龙去脉. 值得深思! 
作者: cowmoon 時間: 12-3-13 19:26
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Annie40
我也有少少估計，有機會是現場的家長不停在喝倒彩，好乞人憎的，弄得那個 ESF 小朋友沉不住氣，結果使出暴力行為。
我也同意 bullying 是總會發生的。不過，我自己也是家長，我會教我的子女怎樣自己去應付別人的 bullying，但如果是我自己子女去 bully 別人，我一定會去教訓自己的子女。養不教，父之過。我覺得這是做家長的基本責任，但我今天，見到的只是律人嚴而己寬，好多家長見到自己的子女欺侮別人，就一句“小孩子的事小孩子解決”，如果倒轉頭呢，當然就“癲哂"。
所以我覺得果個 ESF 小孩做出的暴力行為，他的家長和教練一定要負上 90% 的責任，他們應該有適當的教導。教練沒有及時制止暴力發生，卻第一時間出來和對方的家長推撞，這是什麼道理！
另外，也有程度之分的，踢人個頭怎樣都不算“可以自己解決的bully"吧，而是嚴重的暴力行為！
作者: cowmoon 時間: 12-3-13 19:36
如果不見 ESF 的嚴肅處理（尤其處理那一位魔鬼教練），身為父母的，一定不會讓子女和 ESF 的球隊玩（還聞這一次只是不太認真的”友誼“賽），尤其讀本地名校的孩子，平常環境太單一了，真的招架不了這一等級的 bully，就好像是你那一句，及早離場。
咁係咪好事呢？
作者: carina_h 時間: 12-3-13 19:40
international school student 的品行、道德觀和價值觀係唔係真係會差啲 ??
作者: CSJ安樂窩 時間: 12-3-13 20:59
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carina_h 發表於 12-3-13 19:40
international school student 的品行、道德觀和價值觀係唔係真係會差啲 ??
I am really amaze to see how many people see this 'one particular child' representing all students of ESF or even all international school student. Haha, maybe it's good in a sense that some parents will stay away from IS and make the competition for a place easier. Don't get me wrong, I do think ESF should look at this incident seriously but people should not generalize it
作者: bobbycheung 時間: 12-3-13 21:16
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I believe it has got nothing to do with whether the players are from international schools or local schools, or whether they are from ESF or other schools. Teams such as Hong Kong Football Club, Tai Tam Tigers, Brazilian Soccer Schools and a dozen more all have a lot of players from various international schools. They don't have this problem. Yes, 鬼仔's player style is in general more "aggressive" than 中國人. But there is still a big big difference between being "physical" and committing ugly fouls like those we saw. To be honest, I would be surprised if the coach or anybody had incited the ESF kids to kick somebody's face in. But whether these boys had been drummed into an idea that they were out for revenge is another matter. Did anybody say to them before the match that they have to win this match at all costs? Did someone tell them that they had to go in hard and get the ball with the greatest force possible? If the ESF kids had this mindset to start with, the whole situation could easily spin out of control (especially when they're still losing 4-0 and the coach endorsed or at least said nothing about their fouls and action). By the way, Kitchee beat ESF 16-0 in the first game. Surely such a score is hard to forget. But why did ESL still get it wrong in his newsletter by saying they beat Kitchee 3-2? Could it be that someone was under pressure to do well? If yes, then it's even harder to swallow when one had to correct this mistake later. Really, I think the coach has a lot of explaining to do.
作者: cowmoon 時間: 12-3-13 21:56
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我也不認為可以就這樣 generalize。不過 International school 給予學生比較大的自由度，而且，學校的老師也是相當專業，用比較先進的方法去引導學生學習，而不只是去強加或吹谷。所以，international school 的老師不會非常嚴厲的去管學生的事情。在 local schools，可能家長比較 hands-off 也不會出大問題，因為學校什麼也管，學生在行為上的差異比較少。在 international schools，家長的角色其實是好重要，尤其是 moral values，家教是很重要的，因為“家家有本經”，學生間的差異可能比較大。
去年 London Riot，當時都有人研究英國年輕一代出了什麼問題？有一個說法，就是學校從來不是太管 moral 的地方，一向 moral education 都是在 church 進行，現在的年輕人不去 church 了，唯有靠家教，但家教靠得住嗎？
作者: cowmoon 時間: 12-3-13 21:58
還有，我始終認為今次錯不在學校，而是那一個 coach.
作者: 11B 時間: 12-3-13 22:00
我唔明點解啲人話呢個小朋友當日嘅行為唔關學校事?以學校名義出賽,即係代表緊間學校,校風同品德教育有幾好睇啲學生就知。當然呢個小朋友嘅家長有更大嘅責任!
作者: cowmoon 時間: 12-3-13 22:21
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我說今次不關學校事因為我估計這一隊 ESF soccer team 是屬於 ESL 的。所以隊員在比賽上的操首應由球會負責，與他在那一間學校上說沒有直接關係吧，例如學校校長不能過問教練怎樣教，這樣和本地學校的校隊有點不同呢。
我想作為家長讓孩子去學運動，尤其 soccer，都是想孩子學好 sportsmanship 和 teamwork，沒幾個期望子女未來向世界盃發展吧。所以才讓人這麼失望。
作者: mrshoho 時間: 12-3-13 22:59
Sad to see what had happened, hope the one who was hurt physically gets well soon, and the kid who kicked the boy can really learn his lesson.
作者: awah112 時間: 12-3-14 07:40
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作者: tingtingting 時間: 12-3-14 09:40
awah112 發表於 12-3-14 07:40
"... p.s.英基出律師信要人刪條片?
作者: cowmoon 時間: 12-3-14 10:13
http://hk.apple.nextmedia.com/te ... amp;art_id=16153739
ESF administration ... 真是令人，尤其是學生和家長，極度失望。
唯有相信，有這樣的小孩，真係因為有這樣的辦學團體。ESF 再這樣攪落去，真係相自我摺埋乎？
如果沒有 Youtube 的那一段，只是讓大會去“公平”地調查，結果，就只是那一句：聆訊結果顯示，兩隊均沒有遵守和尊重比賽規則和指引，欠缺體育精神。雖然一方是踢人的頭，另一方則是個仔比人踢左個頭之後衝出去的家長，兩者的“罪行”，在內部調查來說，是一樣的！
好啦，下次，如果有人踢你個仔個頭，你應該唔好出聲，甚至應該學耶穌，請他踢埋另一邊頭！
如果踢頭事件發生在成人世界裡，又會如何處理？
作者: cowebi 時間: 12-3-14 10:38
我係一個普通媽媽, 唔係ESF家長, 我只係睇過條片兩次....
踢波一定粗魯ga喇, 亦一定有犯規, 扯衫kick人好閒事, 不過 .... 2號仔係有心踢去個小朋友個頭度, 我覺得佢係蓄意去踢人個頭, 頭喎會死人ga!! 我唔認為呢件事可以等同小朋友打波互有碰撞咁簡單去睇, 如果我係在場嘅家長, 我都會衝出去!!!!
作者: Sumyeema1 時間: 12-3-14 11:22
本帖最後由 Sumyeema1 於 12-3-14 13:03 編輯
awah112 發表於 12-3-14 07:40
p.s.英基出律師信要人刪條片
我同兩間球隊都無任何關系
ESF 的 管理層有何權利要求刪除條片？ 仲要出律師信。
http://www.baby-kingdom.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=4755576&extra=page%3D2
如果我是 ESF 家長，一定會強烈要求學校解釋。
其實， 校方的一句道歉， 一句關心的說話
已經可以化解事件
但他們竟然出律師信
ESF 的家長，貴校的管理層是否需要做一次腦部掃描？
(p.s.系我誤會左， 以為 BK 都收到律師信)
作者: terryhau 時間: 12-3-14 11:46
校風真係好緊要，ESF 
作者: bobbycheung 時間: 12-3-14 11:50
本帖最後由 bobbycheung 於 12-3-14 12:10 編輯
1. "受傷小朋友的父親亦已到警署報案"
Let's wait and see what the outcome of the police investigation is.
2. "英基出律師信要人刪條片"
ESL should explain why they made the request. Is it because they think the video clip only tells half the truth by showing only ESL's fouls or what?
3. "香港足球發展聯賽大會表示，已對周六賽事即時展開內部聆訊，並翻看當天錄影片段，及球證和監場人員的賽後報告等。聆訊結果顯示，兩隊均沒有遵守和尊重比賽規則和指引，欠缺體育精神"
What is the full picture? Both sides played rough and Kitchee was as bad as ESL? If yes, then it would mean the the video clips we saw did not show us the full picture.
4. "大會亦指出，球隊教練有責任注意球員情緒，家長亦要自律並尊重比賽指引，但承認球證在執法上有改進空間"
大會should tell us exactly what the parents did wrong?
5. "對英基球員的粗野行為感到震驚並不能接受，將作嚴重處分"
The ESL coach (or was it both coaches?) and the referee (who iis now criticised by 大會) deserve 嚴重處分 as much as the ESF player.
6. 香港足球發展聯賽大會 has already made a finding. ESL and Kitchee must also make an investigation and release their finding as soon as possible. They need to tell us if they did something wrong and what they would do to prevent it from happening again.
7. The rules of the league game need to be changed immediately. The referee must be given power to give out yellow and red cards and they must ensure the situation won't get out of hand. Otherwise there is nothing to stop this from happening again.
PS. I think it is a good idea that all parents watching football matches or other equally competitive sports should from now on bring along a video camera to record what happens in the match. If something unpleasant happens, at least it won't be 口同鼻拗
作者: nintendo 時間: 12-3-14 12:25
Sumyeema1 發表於 12-3-14 11:22
我同兩間球隊都無任何關系
ESF 的 管理層有何權利要求 Baby Kingdom 刪除條片？ 仲要出律師信。
如果我冇誤會 edea 個原 post，佢認該係講緊，張導演收律師信，而唔係 bk 收律師信
作者: mingmingyinyin 時間: 12-3-14 12:25
Is that No. 2 soccer player really a student of one of the ESFschools? Which ESF school is he from? Does anyone know?
作者: Sumyeema1 時間: 12-3-14 12:48
本帖最後由 Sumyeema1 於 12-3-14 13:04 編輯
nintendo 發表於 12-3-14 12:25
如果我冇誤會 edea 個原 post，佢認該係講緊，張導演收律師信，而唔係 bk 收律師信
...
系我誤會左， 以為 BK 都收到律師信
作者: awah112 時間: 12-3-14 12:51
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作者: 11B 時間: 12-3-14 13:01
作者: jenamy94 時間: 12-3-14 13:25
其實發律師信要求删除的理據是什麼??
作者: Christi 時間: 12-3-14 13:44
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極度同意! ESF 的家長是更應該關注這件事以及校方的處理手法的.
作者: Christi 時間: 12-3-14 13:46
本帖最後由 Christi 於 12-3-14 14:00 編輯
我看過這條片只一次,好痛心,所以不想再看多一次.痛心的是在一名12歲的孩子身上看到那股惱火遮眼以致行為失控的狠. 不錯,外國球賽不時看見這股狠勁,但這次只是一名12歲的男童. 如果我是男童的父母, 我會和兒子一齊對被踢男童及其家人作出正式道歉. 我不會用'邪惡'去形容踢人的男童, 但他的EQ需要多加培育,無論是面對挑釁/面對挫折/面對競爭的時候.首先,他的一個道歉,對他,是一個新的開始.
而ESF校方的強硬態度,其實並不能幫到這位踢人的男童.更可能給他負面訊息.
至於那位被踢的男童,他日傷口好番,但落場的態度不知會怎樣改變了~
(我希望可以儘量不用國際學校/外籍男童/本地男童等等字眼,所以有點彆扭,事關呢件事同呢啲完全無關)
作者: nintendo 時間: 12-3-14 14:54
本帖最後由 nintendo 於 12-3-14 14:54 編輯
(copied from SCMP.com)
Police to investigate kicking of boy's head
Christy Choi
Mar 14, 2012
The father of the 12-year-old boy who was kicked in the head during a youth soccer match has filed a police report, saying it was no accident.
"I'm afraid if this attitude continues, who will be the next boy?" said Philip Poon Hung-wai, whose son, a player for Kitchee-Escola under 12s, was injured in a game against ESF Lions at King George V School last Saturday. The English Schools Foundation said it appeared to be an unfortunate accident.
Poon said he had three reasons for filing the report: to get an explanation from the boy who kicked his son; reserve the right to claim for damages; and send a message that this kind of rough play should not happen again.
His son had a few loose teeth, a bruised jaw and cuts in his mouth, but Poon said the kick could have caused serious damage. "It could have taken his life, disabled him, broken his neck, or blinded him."
Poon said he had yet to hear from the other boy or his parents.
After an investigation, the Hong Kong Development League and its organisers the Chelsea Soccer School ruled that both teams were in breach of their code of conduct and failed to play in the spirit of sportsmanship.
The league is set to take disciplinary action against the coaches and spectators (parents who ran onto the pitch), as well as the ESF player for violent conduct, but declined to say what the punishment might be.
The ESF last night said: "We regret that the [league] chose to release the findings of their investigation to the press before providing it to any of the individuals involved. We are disappointed in the way the investigation was conducted, which gave no opportunity for those who were present to comment. The incident involving an 11-year-old ESF Lions player was an unfortunate and regrettable accident and the surrounding media attention that has been focused on him, much of it offensive and defamatory, is entirely unwarranted."
[email protected]
作者: hksunshine 時間: 12-3-14 15:16
This is very serious !!!!
Why Kick Head ?????????????
作者: bobbycheung 時間: 12-3-14 15:33
本帖最後由 bobbycheung 於 12-3-14 16:04 編輯
nintendo 發表於 12-3-14 14:54
(copied from SCMP.com)
1. ".....which gave no opportunity for those who were present to comment...."
The ESF can make all comments they want. In fact, everybody has been longing to hear what they have to say about the incident.
2. "....The incident involving an 11-year-old ESF Lions player was an unfortunate and regrettable accident..."
How could ESF describe the deliberate kick in the face as an unfortunate and regrettable accident? The football was not even there close to the injured boy. How could it be an accident? Furthermore, if it had been an accident, the ESF boy would have said sorry immediately.
3. ".... the surrounding media attention that has been focused on him, much of it offensive and defamatory, is entirely unwarranted"
Why is it defamatory? The video clip is fake? The boy didn't kick somebody's head or he didn't do it deliberately? The video clip clearly showed what happened.
4. The attitude now adopted by ESF is in a way endorsing or at least glossing over the boy's action. The way they handle this matter is disgraceful. If this is allowed to go on, any boy (from any school including those from ESF itself) could in the future be in the receiving end of that kick. I think ESF parents should voice out. As to the other parents, perhaps they can't do anything other than to boycott ESF in football matches.
作者: presents 時間: 12-3-14 16:35
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作者: poonseelai 時間: 12-3-14 17:09
On what basis can ESF draw the conclusion that the incident was an unfortunate and regrettable accident? Was it simply based on the ESF boy's representation? Any reasonable man who had watched the video can tell you whether this was a deliberate kick (nearly a fatal one) or an accident. If ESF believed the school should say something at this stage, why not simply said they felt sorry for the boy and are looking into the matter.
作者: hksunshine 時間: 12-3-14 17:23
Totally angry after seeing the Video clip !!
I would be furious if my boy's head being kicked like this and I will report to police !!!!
作者: baby8 時間: 12-3-14 18:18
16:0 Why those teams will meet again ? The losing team do have enough courage to be there. Perhaps they do think it was just a game and enjoy it. I think the winner team must have much harder training behind that victory! They play it purely to win.
作者: awah112 時間: 12-3-14 18:28
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作者: cowmoon 時間: 12-3-14 18:29
baby8, 不要這麼一句就評論別人"They play it purely to win". 參加比賽想 win 不是問題，只要是 fair game 就成。輸了也不用出手打人，這是基本的 sportsmanship，怕輸的就不要去比賽吧，不喜歡別人 "purely to win" 也不要去比賽吧。
作者: edduck 時間: 12-3-14 18:41
totally agree
"輸了也不用出手打人，這是基本的 sportsmanship，怕輸的就不要去比賽吧"
如此的學校 , 如此的教練, 誤人子弟 ! 差一點點, 如果真的賠了命, ESF 是否有如此回應........ SIGH !!!
作者: cowmoon 時間: 12-3-14 18:43
今次對 ESF 是一個公關大災難。我估計他們這麼說，因為聽取了法律意見，如果 say sorry 呢，等同認了，就有 legal consequences。一般的法律意見，多數提議“死牚”，最多大家對簿公堂。恕我得罪講句，律師最喜歡你對簿公堂。
可惜，今次 ESF 不應去搵律師，而應去搵公關，佢地不單錯過了盡快大事化小小事化無的黃金時間，還要走去火上加油！！！真係蠢到冇人有！！！要知道，受傷小朋友的家庭和朋友並不是普通的升斗市民，他們絕對不會接受你一句“ unfortunate accident" ！
難道真的要上法庭見，到時那些律師費、訟費，難道到時要 ESF 的眾學生和家長攤分？！
也不應該這麼計算。就不要去聽律師呀公關呀，作為一個辦學團體，可否去聽聽自己的良知？你這樣做怎去為人師表！！
作者: edduck 時間: 12-3-14 18:45
BTW, i must captured this video and post it on facebook .let the people judge and let the people watch what this school doing.
作者: baby8 時間: 12-3-14 18:50
Why not offer a place for the No.2 Lions in 傑志 ? Teach him how to play in the right way and not just accusing him.
作者: presents 時間: 12-3-14 18:53
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作者: presents 時間: 12-3-14 18:55
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作者: baby8 時間: 12-3-14 19:25
Using "rock, scissor, paper" to choose team players alternately seems to be more effective in building same level teams to play a fair game in old days. Of course, they still fight and get hurt but they play again and become friends years after. Those were the golden days.
作者: Christi 時間: 12-3-14 19:35
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我想話,應該幾乎所有in house的法律意見都會話，萬一道歉，日後人地索償，會處於不利位置。這，某程度是對的，可是，事實是這個case証據充份，因為有片。如果youtube上的只是剪輯，相信那位家長一定有較長版本（唔知有冇full version）。而這啲全部都是警方去查的重要資料。如果夠料，其實道歉與否並不太影響人家索償時是否不利。不過，正如我所講，所有法律意見都係傾向保守的。所以，同意你所說，ESF真的需要好的公關。
作者: baby8 時間: 12-3-14 19:53
"佢唔係要去傑志學嘢, 係要去赤柱監獄受訓囉 !" Are u the victim please? "赤柱監獄" ? U12? Just clam down.
作者: baby8 時間: 12-3-14 20:14
Who is the Man in Black ? He seems so angry and want to fight with the other guy. Is he parent or coach from team players? Apache ?
作者: baby8 時間: 12-3-14 20:29
I found from youtube title {"英基U12無品證據" 傑志U12 vs ESF英基U12}, just wonder if any other team member of "英基U12" found "無品", if not so, it seems unfair to those little boys.
作者: cowmoon 時間: 12-3-14 20:29
對那兩位小孩子也是一場悲劇，事情發展到這一步，我想大家最不忿的就是 ESF Admin 和 那一個 Development League 的 organizer.
如果我是 ESF Admin, 我會盡快與小孩的家長找別人道歉，平息事件（如果別人要 claim damage 你也沒有辦法，也是應該的），嚴懲那一位 coach。還要盡快找心理學家輔導那位小孩。這才是真正在解決問題。
作者: baby8 時間: 12-3-14 20:41
"I saw what your guys did, you guys are a disgrace" Can anyone tell who is that man and what he saw ? Did he mean what No.2 did as in the movie or something that we didn't saw? Any more video ? Any parents from both sides ?
作者: edea 時間: 12-3-14 21:03 標題: 引用：+本帖最後由+bobbycheung+於+12-3-14+16:04
原帖由 bobbycheung 於 12-03-14 發表
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作者: edea 時間: 12-3-14 21:06 標題: 引用：今次對+ESF+是一個公關大災難。我估計他們
原帖由 cowmoon 於 12-03-14 發表
今次對 ESF 是一個公關大災難。我估計他們這麼說，因為聽取了法律意見，如果 say sorry 呢，等同認了，就有 ...
作者: baby8 時間: 12-3-14 21:07
I also want to know if it is true that parents did get into the field to interrupt the match before what the No. 2 did ? If it did, I may have some idea why the coach seemed so angry.
作者: Mighty 時間: 12-3-14 21:10
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Hello presents, if you read my post closely, you will understand that I was referring to sc1227's comment. I think this western boy who kicked deliberately at other boy's head should be questioned and received some kind of punishment and he owed a sincere apology to the injured boy too. But I would like to point out that this seemed to me that it was an individual incident.
作者: bobbycheung 時間: 12-3-14 21:16
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If ESF is afraid that an admission of liability on their part would have legal consequences, then they should instead say they have been advised by their lawyers not to make any comment at this stage as the case is now in a legal process. But this is not what they said here. They are saying "the incident was an unfortunate and regrettable accident and the surrounding media attention that has been focused on the boy, much of it offensive and defamatory, is entirely unwarranted." So in their view, it was an accident and the ESF boy who kicked someone else's face is in fact the "victim".
作者: baby8 時間: 12-3-14 21:16
By the way, I know that in some other matches in Hong Kong primary schools, all team member must be wearing protective gear. (knee pads in particular)
作者: bobbycheung 時間: 12-3-14 21:22
本帖最後由 bobbycheung 於 12-3-14 21:42 編輯
baby8 發表於 12-3-14 21:16
By the way, I know that in some other matches in Hong Kong primary schools, all team member must be ...
I like your comment. But neither knee pads nor shin pads can protect one's head. Yes, perhaps they should wear head gears to protect their heads, American football protective gear to protect their bodies, glasses to protect their eyes, gloves to protect their hands, knee pads to protect their knees............. But with all those gears, I doubt if they could walk let alone kicking the ball.
作者: bobbycheung 時間: 12-3-14 21:32
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You must watch the video. Parents ran into the pitch after the Kitchee boy had been kicked in the face. The match was not interrupted by the parents. It was interrupted by the ESF boy who made the ugly foul.
作者: cowmoon 時間: 12-3-14 22:00
omg，剛剛我看到有線新聞播了那一段 Youtube 片段(當然只播了小孩踢人頭那十秒的“精華片段”！），還讀出了 ESF 發給 ESF 家長的家長信。
本來主要只是網友討論的，現在成個香港都知。
ESF admin，你會不會出律師信比有線！
作者: baby8 時間: 12-3-14 22:19
I just watched that one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMit6jQeY3Q
It mentioned that it was a rematch on March 10, why rematch given that it is 16 to 0 ?
It also said that on 00:53 quoting " After being told off because of standing too far into the pitch, the coach began provoking a parent" What did it mean ? It seemed to me that parent quarrel with the coach before no. 2 kicking head event.
Is no.2 in white team being kicked by no.2 in blue team?
Who is the big guy who seems asking white no.2 if he is alright ?
Anybody ask other boys in both teams what is going on and what they feel about the whole mess ? I saw more adults in the pitch than the boys. Should adults behaved in such a way ?
作者: baby8 時間: 12-3-14 22:33
I am interesting in the knee pads as one of the white team parent mentioned afterwards that his young boy's being hurt near his knee. I wonder if it could be avoided if wearing knee pads or it was hurt even wearing a knee pad.
作者: baby8 時間: 12-3-14 22:40
The parent "get mad or get so angry" just because his boy already get hurt ? "Get mad or get so angry" was the parent said that his children told him afterwards what his children felt about him.
作者: Chole 時間: 12-3-14 22:43
http://cablenews.i-cable.com/web ... ws_id=379813&urlc=2
真係好嬲！惡人先告狀！
令英基學生家長帶嚟壓力 wor! 如果我小朋友嘅學校咁樣處理件事，我就會覺得好瘀好大壓力！
有咁嘅學生係要教，有咁嘅學校管理層冇得救！
作者: kenfu 時間: 12-3-14 22:47
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作者: Chole 時間: 12-3-14 22:50
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我都好想請教 baby8 被踢嗰個點做至啱？ 討論一下？
作者: edea 時間: 12-3-14 23:04 標題: 回覆：英基學童踢波變踢人
為何我覺得有人千方百計轉移視線為傷人者開脫。
做錯就是做錯，校方惡人先告狀已經惹來大眾反感及憤慨，公義已經彰顯了。
作者: baby8 時間: 12-3-14 23:06
{{The parent "get mad or get so angry" just because his boy already get hurt ? "Get mad or get so angry" was the parent said that his children told him afterwards what his children felt about him }} The man I refer is the Director who receive the letter and not the parent of white no.2 .Is Director the parent of white no. 2 ? I think it is Dr. Poon in some other post.
作者: bobbycheung 時間: 12-3-14 23:06
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或者有人會講 "被踢嗰個應該忍住痛, 爬返出場. 而他的父母就切勿阻礙球賽. 由得佢個仔瞓係度受傷叫痛, 直至完場先算"
作者: baby8 時間: 12-3-14 23:14
"我都好想請教 baby8 被踢嗰個點做至啱？ 討論一下？"
I think the referee should just stop the game and check if the boy on the ground get hurt seriously, They can also call for a doctor or other professional for help if necessary. Is that common sense ? That is what I saw in other football match.
作者: nintendo 時間: 12-3-14 23:15
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突然諗起 "審死官" 的情節
作者: bobbycheung 時間: 12-3-14 23:21
本帖最後由 bobbycheung 於 12-3-14 23:22 編輯
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1. It mentioned that it was a rematch on March 10, why rematch given that it is 16 to 0 ?
This is how Hong Kong Football Club described Hong Kong Development League:-
"There’s a new football league in town, and it’s called the “Hong Kong Development League”. The Junior Soccer Programme of the Hong Kong Football Club has joined together with Chelsea Soccer School and a number of other clubs and schools to form the league and give our players more competitive experience. In a deliberate attempt to encourage the teams to experiment with tactics, positioning, and team line-ups, the league will have no points or trophies, though of course everyone is still aiming to win each match......Each team will play approximately 16 matches over the course of the season, with each match played 7-a-side for 50 minutes. The opposition includes Chelsea Soccer School, Kitchee Academy/ Barcelona, MILK, Junior J League, Hong Kong International School/Tai Tam Tigers, Canadian International School/ the MLFA, Australian International School and English Schools Foundation."
So I guess it's possible that the same 2 teams may meet more than once over a season.
2. It also said that on 00:53 quoting " After being told off because of standing too far into the pitch, the coach began provoking a parent" What did it mean ? It seemed to me that parent quarrel with the coach before no. 2 kicking head event.
It's the coach who got told off after standing too far into the pitch. Watch the slow motion bit carefully and you will see the coach standing inside the pitch in the background. By doing so, he's the one interupting the game.
作者: Chole 時間: 12-3-14 23:23
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How about the parents of 1. victim no.1 who got kicked at his head and 2. "victim" no.2 who "got the focus"?
How should they react in a proper manner? And what would you do if you are the parents of Victim no.1 & 2?
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