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作者: yyhung 時間: 12-3-9 01:14 標題: 仔仔終於學完IPA啦~真係好有用

不得不同大家分享下~不是賣廣告,只係我身為家長覺得,與其大家比錢去學拼音,不如學D專業D既"國際音標"

仔仔由細到大英文的發音都好唔正確~名符其實港式英文,無尾音無捲"利",更加唔知點解老師又話a e i o u 開頭既名詞先要用an, 但點解"hour"又要用an ......

P4果年好好彩其他家長介紹去學IPA,(因為老師係唔公開收生的,只係朋友介紹留位) 雖然係好貴一個鐘,但呢兩年幾三年眼見佢發音好大進步,涼dictation更加唔洗死溫死背,真係覺得好值得! 而家終於學晒所有課程~希望到佢中學,甚至有機會讀大學都可以有幫助啦~

作者: madscientist 時間: 12-3-9 07:50 標題: 引用：不得不同大家分享下~不是賣廣告,只係我身為

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作者: palapala 時間: 12-3-9 12:38

其實學一般拼音已經足夠應付日常默書同睇書架啦喎, 真係仲有必要學呢個??仲要唔公開收生要熟人留位??唔好玩啦

作者: ziyi 時間: 12-3-9 12:49

IPA其實係好既,不過在一些專家的文章中提到,唔係咁適合太細的小朋友,最好有返小四,小五
而且出邊有專教IPA的Center,不過真的比Phonics貴是事實
但對發音的準確來說...一定比較好
而要特別留位???

作者: yyhung 時間: 12-3-9 13:04

可能我文筆差,大家有所誤解,所謂的'留位"係因為老師係私人教的,學生比較多,所以好FULL,基本上要有一個學生學完先可以收一個新既學生,所以要"留位",

抱歉令大家誤會

作者: hagupit 時間: 12-3-9 13:55

本帖最後由 hagupit 於 12-3-10 10:53 編輯

我都學緊IPA, 發覺完來好多字一直讀錯音, 我個course只係上8堂就學完全套IPA, 個課程只係$1500, 每星期上一堂, 唔使好似樓主個course咁要學咁耐又貴, 開頭都考慮讀唔讀好, 但計落條數平過阿囡返英文pg好多, 自己可以讀正啲英文, 唔使教錯阿囡, 就決定讀! 上左兩堂好有用! 唔好問我邊到學, 我唔會介紹!

不過你地可以去以下BBC個網址, 有晒所有音標既發音, 真人示範有video睇, 可以睇到個嘴形, 可以自學:
www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/learningenglish/grammar/pron/sounds/

作者: tracylin2002hk 時間: 12-3-9 16:13

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作者: 囝囝mama 時間: 12-3-9 17:13

本帖最後由囝囝mama 於 12-3-9 17:15 編輯

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http://www.ipa.edu.hk/?lang=zhtc&PHPSESSID=a1631e3567233b563efc1b0222b79cf7

這間也很好!!!

作者: madscientist 時間: 12-3-9 17:31 標題: 引用：回復+tracylin2002hk+的帖子 http://www.i

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作者: Mighty 時間: 12-3-9 18:15

我也学過ＩＰＡ，是大個才学的。　我的ＣＯＭＭＥＮＴＳ是：①一定有用、因為知道何処発錯音。　電台有個ＤＪ、英文非常了得＆流利、但発錯ＡＬＭＯＮＤ這個字音。　所以常聴不一定就準的②ＩＰＡ本身是非常ＢＯＲＩＮＧ③As Madscientist said ＩＰＡ不能ＨＥＬＰ　ＩＮ　ＳＰＥＬＬＩＮＧ。如果硬要小朋友学就不好ＬＡ

作者: madscientist 時間: 12-3-9 21:16 標題: 引用：我也学過ＩＰＡ，是大個才学的。　我的ＣＯ

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作者: mum0724 時間: 12-3-9 22:58

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作者: hkmom 時間: 12-3-9 23:54

本帖最後由 hkmom 於 12-3-9 23:54 編輯

I also learned IPA by myself during my junior secondary school years. Yes, it's a good learning process if one is interested in English, and one will be surprised to find how badly he or she pronounces the words beforehand. For example, I think most HK people would mispronounce the following words:

Cambridge
oven
chamber
almond
salmon
toilet
certificate
mandatory
renewal
tentative
:
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作者: hkmom 時間: 12-3-10 00:03

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When I self-studied IPA in F.1/F.2, I only spent the summer holiday to learn the IPA symbols by heart and then started practising them in the years to come. In your son's case, it took 2 to 3 years and as you said the hourly course fee is not low. I wonder if it's really worth it (however, if it boosts your son's learning attitude, that's another story).
But I don't see how IPA could help improve dictation?!

作者: madscientist 時間: 12-3-10 00:29

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作者: hkmom 時間: 12-3-10 02:02

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and also the commonly encountered past tenses ending:
-ded
-ted
-ked
-ped
-sed
-bed
-med
-ned
etc

Perhaps the first two are easier but not the others.

作者: hagupit 時間: 12-3-10 08:52

IPA冇可能幫到默書，只可改善發音

作者: Charlotte_mom 時間: 12-3-10 15:28 標題: 回覆：仔仔終於學完IPA啦~真係好有用

其實要對自己有要求，學ipa至有用，好多人讀得求祈，俾你學完個tool又吾自己改善，有咩用?例如好多人，please同priest, tie同tire, it同eat, ship同sheep, 根本吾會理自己讀成點，發到音就算，俾佢識曬IPA又如何？

作者: zoojan 時間: 12-3-10 22:37

tksss for your sharing ..........

作者: tws2010 時間: 12-3-10 23:30

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A stupid question, does this mean phonetic? My kid is also attending phonetic course. It's really useful. I also found a lot of words I pronouce are wrong in the past. I am also learning it...

作者: hkmom 時間: 12-3-11 00:38

If one is learning stuff like θ, ð, dʒ, tʃ, aʊ, ɛ, etc (IPA symbols), he/she is taking a phonetics course. Otherwise, if one is learning how to pronounce "play, day, gray, may, etc", he/she is probably in a phonics class.

作者: yyhung 時間: 12-3-11 00:49

本帖最後由 yyhung 於 12-3-11 01:06 編輯

討論區是發表感受的平台,真不明白有D不懷好意的人以小人之心暗串別人,本人的確有收到PM (數個),但我沒有介紹過任何老師或留老師電話比人,如有請大家公開串我吧~ 我只是以一個家長的心態認為IPA有助我仔仔發音及DICT,(我認為對DICT.有用係因為老師主要係教音標(IPA symbols),但也有教仔仔如何分音節,所以仔仔用分音節呢個方式黎記生字,而唔係完全唔洗溫甘攞100分)我沒有意思要介紹人去搵老師學,我亦無答PM內的有心人老師的關絡方法! 請某些小人唔好以為"唔知有心定無意,相信樓主一定收到唔少PM"

作者: madscientist 時間: 12-3-11 08:41 標題: 引用：+本帖最後由+yyhung+於+12-3-11+01:06+編輯

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作者: 囝囝爸 時間: 12-3-11 09:27

http://www.phon.ucl.ac.uk/courses/ipaexam/ipa-exam.htm

作者: madscientist 時間: 12-3-11 09:51

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作者: 囝囝爸 時間: 12-3-11 10:39

http://www.ucl.ac.uk/psychlangsci/scep

作者: madscientist 時間: 12-3-11 12:41 標題: 引用：+http://www.ucl.ac.uk/psychlangsci/scep

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作者: 囝囝爸 時間: 12-3-11 14:13

ˌɪnkəˌmjunɪˈkɑdo

作者: wilson_wilson 時間: 12-3-11 14:48

really? it took some teacher 2-3 years to teach this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:IPA_for_English

作者: madscientist 時間: 12-3-11 14:57 標題: 引用：ˌɪnkəˌmjunɪˈkɑdo

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作者: tws2010 時間: 12-3-11 15:01

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Looking at the symbols, I believe phonetic = IPA...It's not easy. I am also learning it (at my age, it's definitely difficult). But I think it's very useful. At least, I could pronous the word correctly. I have been wrongly pronouce the words together, guitar, etc for ages, even the word "phonetic", I just pronouce it correctly recently. My tutor says, even the uneducated westerners do not really say the words correctly.

作者: hkmom 時間: 12-3-11 22:05

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Glad that you like the course. Yes, for adults like us who pick up something new (esp when we are talking about language and linguistic things), it's really difficult. However, if you are determined and have the passion, just go for it and your example will mean a lot to your young one(s) at home (if any) and people around you.

Knowing how to say the individual words correctly is one thing. Reading or speaking them in a sentence fluently is another. Hope you'll become a fluent and confident speaker of English in the near future. Ganbade!

作者: tws2010 時間: 12-3-11 22:13

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Thanks a lot hkmom. But I am a little slow in learning and understanding...Yes, it's not benefit for dictation, but we could speak fluently after learning it. This is my experience working at my company. If you don't pronouce the word correctly, the westerner will really laugh at you (look like you are monster and they act like they really not understanding what you are taling about)

作者: careysum 時間: 12-3-12 06:11

IPA好有用, 不過,係真係學完之後會努力自修先有用,不過,對默書應該無咩關係,我學果個IPA都係千幾蛟,十堂,之後自己自修就OK 架喇喎!

作者: Mighty 時間: 12-3-12 10:45

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番看ORIGINAL　THREAD,又的確会令人誤会是有意無意地売広告、但看見楼主並非新国民、疑心減低了。　BUT清者自清、何必介懷Madscientist的説話！不過就真係IPA是不会HELP　DICTATION　的。　”名符其實港式英文,無尾音無捲"利”、其実英文不用巻「利」的、美文才要呢（＾－＾）。　因我是英国狗、看見就不得不「紏」一下。　閑談閑談、不用緊張。

作者: madscientist 時間: 12-3-12 12:10 標題: 引用：回復+hkmom+的帖子 Thanks+a+lot+hkmom.++

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作者: lillymarie 時間: 12-3-12 12:36

我覺得IPA有用之處係查字典就可以知道個字要點樣讀。但要明白和記得那些符號，其實本身要識一定數量的字才學得較輕鬆。
我爸爸在我小三時開始教我查字典，順便教我字典裏那些讀音符號，記得當時是查一些已很熟悉的字，去明白和記。
小朋友太細去學，可能會事倍功半。其實家長若能自己去了解一下，回家再慢慢教子女，可以慳很多＄＄＄。

作者: Mighty 時間: 12-3-12 16:15

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有Ｄ　ＩＰＡ課程是教埋ＯＲＡＬ　ＥＮＧＬＩＳＨ的ＬＩＮＫＩＮＧ＆ＯＭＩＳＳＩＯＮ等等、在ＳＰＥＡＫＩＮＧ＆ＬＩＳＴＥＮＩＮＧ方面的確有用。

作者: 最愛 時間: 12-3-13 22:59

我都俾我個仔學RWI，事實係唔錯既因為你學完會識拼字音，同埋人地讀出黎你可以靠個音知道係咩字，知道個原音
對說話都會有用d

作者: hkmom 時間: 12-3-14 20:42

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Someone says phonics can help one to guess the spelling of a word (or vice versa its pronunciation by looking at how it spells) for some 60-70% or 70-80% of English words. This is irrespective of the means through which one learns phonics (i.e. RWI, Letterland, Jolly, KWIK phonics, Hooked on phonics, etc).
For example, phonics can't help for words like encore, debut, lieutenant, colonel, debris, etc.

作者: madscientist 時間: 12-3-14 20:49 標題: 引用：回復+最愛+的帖子 Someone+says+phonics+c

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作者: opriority 時間: 12-3-14 20:50

我始終覺得學phonics其實係增強你估字既能力
寫英文書唔識估字我覺得仲大件事過識唔識拼音

作者: Mighty 時間: 12-3-14 21:18

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Of course, lots english words are not english bor.

作者: hkmom 時間: 12-3-15 14:50

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Agreed, that's why phonics can's really help in such instances (as English has many "borrowed" words predominantly from the French).

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