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作者: chunyatmama 時間: 12-2-17 09:56 標題: 在九龍區除了蔡繼有及international school,還有甚麼學校是提供IB

如題, please.

作者: Karie 時間: 12-2-17 10:16

啟思小學 (私立)

作者: ziyi 時間: 12-2-17 10:20

去IB網查啊
http://www.ibo.org/school/search ... p;find_schools=Find
而IB你要求是PYP Level開始或只是DP??

作者: ANChan59 時間: 12-2-17 10:25

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IBO official website of IB accredited programs
http://www.ibo.org/school/search/index.cfm?programmes=DIPLOMA&country=HK®ion=&find_schools=Find

PYP - like our primary school
MYP - Junior high
IBDP - Senior high

I guess you refer to PYP, CKY is not a PYP accredited school, only IBDP. Creative may be better, as it provides MYP and IBDP.

In HK, most DSS and private schools only offer IBDP. You better check the official website as above for correct info. So you are no need to pay for IB fee in primary and Junior high, but your kid receive "IB Approach" education. If you accept their IB approach, no problem, you make an informed decision.

You can also consider ESF for IB schools.

作者: chunyatmama 時間: 12-2-17 11:07

Thank you so much for your information.

作者: elizatyy 時間: 12-2-17 14:00

今期親子王有介紹啓思

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作者: virgokaren 時間: 12-2-20 02:47

請問行 IB 的好處是什麽?
thx

作者: HaYi 時間: 12-2-20 12:02

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可以考IB試?

IB 是以思考為主, 不是以記憶為主, 故此學習的模式會和傳統香港教育不同, 亦近現剛推的新高中模式.
可惜IB school 都係貴哩個最大的問題令人卻步...
其實就算不是IB 學校, 但行IB approach 我都喜歡,
我覺得此才是大圍的trend.
如果細時開始就好些, 如果高中突轉我怕會轉不到.

作者: chunyatmama 時間: 12-2-20 12:16

reneeleung 發表於 12-2-19 22:33
蔡繼有小學不是IB的.

So you mean they are of tranditioning mainstream approach?

作者: chunyatmama 時間: 12-2-20 12:17

HaYi 發表於 12-2-20 12:02
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可以考IB試?

Agree! That's why I believe the new high school syllabys in HK dosen't work.

作者: ANChan59 時間: 12-2-20 12:40

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可惜IB school 都係貴哩個最大的問題令人卻步...(DSS & some private schools' fee are affordable.)

其實就算不是IB 學校, 但行IB approach 我都喜歡,
我覺得此才是大圍的trend.
(It's a growing trend, still need further confirmation from the throughputs.
Also, the places for non-JUPAS relatively higher in coming 3-5 years relative to JUPAS (in terms of competition is lower). As more and more IB schools, the competition will be keener than JUPAS, then the trend will be changed or settled at the breakeven point.)

如果細時開始就好些, 如果高中突轉我怕會轉不到.
(Just look at LPCUWC, all changed from G10 to IBDP Yr1, the results still flying colors, even better than ESF and IS, because of the quality of intakes. SPCC and DBS provide Pre-IB to bridge the gap and harmonize with 3 yrs NSS, after a couple of years, we can compare the difference and draw a preliminary conclusion. )

I still have an impression, IB not fit every kids, some definitely gain more in "IB" environment.

作者: ANChan59 時間: 12-2-20 13:14

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virgokaren 發表於 12-2-20 02:47
請問行 IB 的好處是什麽?
thx

For IB, I only referred to IBDP accredited programs only:

Mission & Vision
Go to the IBO official website and then LPCUWC, you can feel their mission and vision.

Teaching methods
More international focus, more interactions in class, original and critical thinking, whole person development, but demanding workload and time management.

Learner profile / attributes
Then refer to the learner profile of graduates, you can grab the outcomes or deliverables of IB diploma holders. Not all kids can master all 10 attributes......

International and local recognition
Relative to HKDSE, IBDP has 50 years history and well recognized by top universities. You can go to LPC and see their students destinations in the last 10 years.
DBS website and IB session, you can see the updated offers from different regions for a new IB accredited schools, quite amazing, 6 offers from different medical schools (3 CUHK, 2 HKU, 1 Canada), Law, BBA and Law, Arch, BBA, QFin, Engineering, Science .....

Admission
Refer to LPC, you may understand how to recruit right IB students (Apitute test - HAST, Challenge Day, Panel interview). Of course, different schools have different focus.

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Studying IB, not guarantee to have good grades, if you love the curriculum and your kids can benefit from the program, the fee also within your budget, take a try.

作者: chunyatmama 時間: 12-2-20 14:35

ANChan59 發表於 12-2-20 13:14
For IB, I only referred to IBDP accredited programs only:

Mission & Vision

Thank you ANChan59 for your response and it shed some light about IB and main steam education.

And yet, LPC is not a very good bench mark for IB as they provide only 2 years IB programme for those students after the HKCEE examination and nothing more.  All the students there are all top students in HK.  My colleague's daughter got 6A last year in HKCEE from DGS and still cannot be admitted to LPC.

I agree that for smart students, no matter under which kind of syllabus, they still can fly high.  In recent TV programme/report, it showed, however, the same answer to a mock paper being assessed by different assessors can come up with a totally different result.  I cannot imagine the making scheme of a subject 通識.  I guess it will finally become all other subjects under the same system in HK, i.e. testing the student's ability to put the words from the textbook to the exam paper.  The main reason is because most if not all the teacher of this subject and the officers in the Education Bureau are the product of local education.  I wonder if they can think beyond the frame.  No offence please.

IB is such a system stress on the ability to analyse, present and apply what a student learnt.  I still need more time to digest the context.  However, the local system is definitely different from the IB system.

What I agree with you is that not all kids can fit into the same system.  This statement applies to both the mainstream system and the IB one.  My hubby is the bad product of local education system while I am a successful one.  What a dilemmma!  Having said that we both agree that we do not want to have our kids to be enrolled into the current system in HK, if we are lucky enough to have the choice.

作者: ANChan59 時間: 12-2-20 14:44

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After NSS, LPC recruits students without HKCEE results as reference, they used HAST as first screening step, then Challenge Day and Interview. Also, the best HKCEE students will opt for EAS instead of LPC, think about that.

作者: ANChan59 時間: 12-2-20 14:50

In IB, Liberal Studies equivalent to TOK & EE, it's really a great training in critical thinking, no model answers, they are using rubric instead of marking scheme to assess students' analytical and presentation skills in both oral and written formats.

My wife read a couple chapters of TOK, she surrendered......

作者: chunyatmama 時間: 12-2-20 15:24

My hubby moved to US to further study after his HKCEE long time ago. He said the education system in US is more like the IB system. Also, the teachers were a lot more open minded. He still can remember he drew pictures with answers in point form in the subject of US histroy rather than writing an essay. He got an A. I believe it will become a zero mark or bear minimum mark for any examimnation in the local school

He could build up his confidence and be more interested in studying all the subjects, especially for language.

作者: chunyatmama 時間: 12-2-20 15:25

Education is in fact an art! Being a parent to choose for the kids for a suitable art is even harder.

作者: ANChan59 時間: 12-2-20 15:31

chunyatmama 發表於 12-2-20 15:25
Education is in fact an art! Being a parent to choose for the kids for a suitable art is even harde ...

Yes, great metaphor.....

作者: HaYi 時間: 12-2-21 00:49

I also agree with ANChan59 that not all kids can fit into the same system, no matter IB or main stream. But I can see IB encourage students to think and analysis, that should be the critical element of learning.

Just as Chunyatmama remind us for those schools which got IB approved, what is their teachers' quality... They got certain training in IB but if they are locally trainned teacher, based on the rubric but not the marking scheme will be a great challenge for them still (?)

作者: chunyatmama 時間: 12-2-21 14:25

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quoted: 小曳人咁點解當初揀KV?! 發表於 1 小時前

In fact, we enrolled the kids to Yew Chung before switch to KV. This is not we chose KV but KV chose the kid. I do not want my kids to be in IS when they turn to primary school. This is a long story. That's why we have to enroll them in the mainstream kinders so that we can still have the choice. You know that there is no way of return if the kids keep studying in international school since they were very young. The more we understand, the more we feel exhausted. Kinder is just a very small part of a kids life and I believe we still have time to find a better choice. And, I think this is time to make an important choice for the kids, given the rapid changing local education system.

作者: 小曳人 時間: 12-2-21 16:15

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我都明，讀國際學校d細路太free，中文又無咁好

我覺得，揾住d活動教學嘅小學讀住先，見步行步，當然最好呢間小學上中學係有IB試考啦！應該唔止CKY一間係咁！

作者: HaYi 時間: 12-2-21 17:06

小學上中學後有IB試考的應該仲有真道, 優材都考慮會不會加IB

作者: bbdmami 時間: 12-2-21 17:10 標題: 回覆：在九龍區除了蔡繼有及international school,還有甚麼學校是提供IB

You don't want main stream's syllabus or method? DBS is a good choice. It is not 填鴨式的。

作者: wingsma 時間: 12-2-21 20:13

DBS可能不是填式，但有子在DBS讀，父母可以不填鴨嗎？朋友子在DBS讀，他信校長講不請補習，結果測驗得六十幾分，補習的同學有七、八十分，他想緊持不補習也不行，因為他敵不過家中的「大人」！補習還有不是填鴨的嗎？我也想我錯！

作者: Christi 時間: 12-2-21 23:04

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ANChan59,

可唔可以講吓你覺得邊類性格小朋友唔太適合IB的呢? (except 時間管理差,語文能力差,欠閱讀興趣,被動等等) 因為我都諗緊呢個問題.

Thanks !

Christi

作者: ANChan59 時間: 12-2-22 00:21

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Christi
I promise you and I am doing some research (Search in internet and chat with some IB teachers from different schools, of course, I interviewed my son), I will share it with you and other parents in my thread "Sharing of NSS vs IB" in High School sub-forum about your question. Here is more relevant to PYP, I don't want to hijack the post.

ANChan59

作者: ANChan59 時間: 12-2-22 00:26

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Parents expectation >>> school philosophy.
Every year, on the Parents day, you can see so many tuition centers have staff to give out leaflets near by DBS.

作者: cherubic 時間: 12-2-22 13:00

ANChan59,
Would you please let us know if there is any difference if the kid has attended PYP and MYP? Waiting for your opinion.

ANChan59 發表於 12-2-22 00:21
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Christi

作者: ANChan59 時間: 12-2-22 18:00

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cherubic 發表於 12-2-22 13:00
ANChan59,
Would you please let us know if there is any difference if the kid has attended PYP and MY ...

Cherubic
Our family didn't consider ESF and IS years back, so I didn't have first hand experience about PYP & MYP, therefore, I am not in a position to comment on the difference PYP & MYP. My experience is limited to IBDP.

I researched in the internet a moment ago and find an article from US - Michigan State related to IB - PYP, MYP, DP and also AP. The article also explained different routes after MYP and gifted education with IBDP, quite interesting and useful to map our kids footprint in HK.

http://www.hoagiesgifted.org/ib_or_not_ib_print.htm

I just post the conclusion as follow:

Conclusion

While one size never fits allin education, the growth of IB programming in Michigan is a positive addition to the former array of educational options. For years, educators and parents alike have searched for an alternative for middle school education, sometimes viewed as the weakest link in the educational chain. The MYP program, whetherthe standard five years, as is the case in part of Bloomfield Hills, or the three-year MYP program, such as that in part of Troy, offers a newoption for middle school students to become critical, divergent thinkers and global citizens. For the ambitious, hardworking high school student, the growth of International Baccalaureate programs adds to the Advanced Placement and dual enrollment options that existed previously.

Overall, the studied and structured growth of IBO schools in Michigan should be embraced even if it is not the answer for every gifted learner. As school districts or individual schools begin the IBO certification or conversion process, it is important to remember that IBO education represents a paradigm shift from top-down education to an interactive experience with a mutual exchange of information and ideas.The key word here is “process.” As with any major institutional change, some results will be readily apparent and others will take more time, more effort and more compromise. A key factor to a smooth transition is that parents, students, teachers and administrators buy into and own the experience.

Sorry for my limited knowledge, just refer some info for your reference.

ANChan59

作者: cherubic 時間: 12-2-23 10:00

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ANCHAN59,

Thanks for your input.
I have read the whole article.  It states that some people thought PYP, etc is suitable for all students of different ability.  However it does not elaborate further.

I agree that DP is not suitable for all students because it demands a very good language ability as well as analytical skill and critical thinking.  I think these attributes are developed in early ages.  This thread is related to PYP.  Whether to go for PYP, the parents need to make decision when the kids are very young.  Those attributes required for DP may be too remote since their kids are still too young.  It means that they have to consider other factors so as to come up with an informed choice.

The students doing IB DP or MYP around me are those who have attended PYP as well.  My son is studying in PYP starting from kindergarten.  That means I do not have a first hand comparison of the difference in terms of performance in DP between

(1) Those students who have attended PYP and MYP; &
(2) Those students who have not attended PYP and MYP.

I understand your case as I have been following your tread.  Would you please ask your son (if he is willing to answer) - would he opt for PYP and/ or MYP if he could make his choice again?

Thanks.

作者: ANChan59 時間: 12-2-23 10:11

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Haha you know my family rule. I will ask him during the weekend, he is very very busy in weekday.
I heard some feedback from a DBS Pre-IB boy came from MYP, I am not sure he came from ESF OR IS, he said that MYP provided some basic training for him in studying, and Pre-IB more focus on application which seems to be a good transition to DP.

作者: chunyatmama 時間: 12-2-23 10:19

Cherubic and ANChan59,

Thank you very much for the fruitful discussion. MYP & PYP are my concerns as well. I also think that for schools with MYP and PYP, the student will be prepared for the mind set, presentation skill and ways to handle different problem/questions at their early age. Thus, CKY is a good choice for IBDP but I have a bit reservation if they can prepare their kids in the early years.

作者: ANChan59 時間: 12-2-23 11:47

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You can go to ESF website and refer to the annual report, they listed out the MYP exam results. You can have a better understanding of the relationship between MYP and IBDP, like 2011 IBDP students should sit for MYP exam in 2009. But their students also sit for IGCSE, which will sharpen or dilute their IBDP results, I have no idea.
If not an accredited programs, we need to wait for the final result in IBDP.

Another parent asked me to compare the IGCSE exam results with different schools in 2011, just share with you all. BTW, its not an exhaustive list.

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I guess St Paul Convent may have the best IGCSE results. I also checked the results of ESF and CKY. the results as follow:

               SPCS    ESF    CKY          UK
A*+A          68.3% 54.7%                   25.5%
A*/student 4.3A*
A+/student                         4.48A+
11A+                                     1
10+A*                      10
8A*/A                   252/966

For SPCS and ESF results are referred to their 2011 annual reports, CKY based on the Media coverage.

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作者: chunyatmama 時間: 12-2-23 11:59

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Hmmm, that's impressed. I though the result by ESF may not be that good. While the result of CKY is a bit disappointing. Do you have any idea if the students from CSS will sit in also IGCSE?

作者: ANChan59 時間: 12-2-23 12:01

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Cherubic

My quick comment as highlighted in BLUE:

That means I do not have a first hand comparison of the difference in terms of performance in DP between

(1) Those students who have attended PYP and MYP; & (We need to follow the results of DSS, private, ESF and IS with accredited PYP and MYP programs.)
(2) Those students who have not attended PYP and MYP. (Like most DSS.)

I also suggest to look into more details of IBDP results & destinations, not just say 35.2 >>> international average:

1. Predicted grades
2. Actual grades
3. Electives - particularly in Chinese and English B, Maths Studies, very easy to get 6-7
4. Offers
5. Final destinations
6. Programs

1 & 3 more difficult to provide, may not favour most schools.

ANChan59

作者: ANChan59 時間: 12-2-23 12:03

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As a new school CKY with limited exam experience, the result is good and with sufficient room for improvement. The philosophy of CKY not the same as SPCS.

作者: HaYi 時間: 12-2-23 12:10

interesting topic !

作者: chunyatmama 時間: 12-2-23 12:20

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As a new school CKY with limited exam experience, the result is good and wi ...

Yes. Fair comment.

作者: catyoyo 時間: 12-2-23 12:22

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Here are some year 2010 IGCSE examination statistics of other IGCSE Int'l School which found from their websites:

Year 2010	A-A*	A-C*
Island School	58.10%	92.50%
South Island	52.60%	91.00%
Kiangsu-Chekiang	31.00%	82.00%
West Island	55.00%	95.00%
YCIS	44.00%	84.00%
CKY (year 2011)	47.10%	92.40%

The above is quoted from other link, not yet checked
http://www.edu-kingdom.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=2319781&extra=page%3D2&page=1

作者: ANChan59 時間: 12-2-23 13:14

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Thanks for your further info.
Using IGCSE MYP PYP to predict IBDP and the throughput of students may not be a good apple to apple comparison, just an indirect measure of student performance.

Most or all public exam can't present students creativity,leadership etc.....

作者: cherubic 時間: 12-2-23 13:28

Thanks ANChan59,

[(1) Those students who have attended PYP and MYP; & (We need to follow the results of DSS, private, ESF and IS with accredited PYP and MYP programs.)
(2) Those students who have not attended PYP and MYP. (Like most DSS.)]

For (1), according to the data published by most IS, the results are quite good. However these results could only be used as a reference only because my target, as with most local parents here, is bilingual diploma. In respect of my expectation on Chinese, I hope my kid can achieve that which is comparable to local school. In my opinion, no IS in Hong Kong could meet this requirement at the moment.

For (2), I think many parents are waiting. As a matter of interest, in your son's class, how many students come from other schools?

cherubic

作者: ANChan59 時間: 12-2-23 16:00

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Just for devil advocate.........

Reasonable good in Chinese, not necessary go for bilingual diploma.
My rationale is - if your son will have PG 38 and Chinese Syllabus A (L&LS) and score only 5, he can downgrade Chinese to Syllabus B and sure have 7 and the revised PG will become 40, and bare min for MBBS and Global Business..... His Chinese standard is still pretty good, even he took Syllabus B.

Just achieving bilingual diploma, but PG pretty low, what's for?

The same token, my son up to now still taking 4 HL, he will drop one to SL in July after reviewing the 2nd term exam results. That's what he means flexibility to maximise the score, of course, it's tough for him to take 4 HL.

作者: ANChan59 時間: 12-2-25 01:14

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Christi
I replied your question in the high school forum.

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