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標題: 很煩腦: 資優生選CKY, 優才或APS? [打印本頁]
作者: Aerosol_Ma 時間: 12-1-12 22:02 標題: 很煩腦: 資優生選CKY, 優才或APS?
小兒韋氏測試是資優。英文和數學都不差：Starter 15 shields, CTY 收了他讀 accelerated Math 3. 現在不知道那一間小學比較適合他。CKY 開心學習，IB，不過在網上看到啲工課好似有啲淺。APS就要再煩升中。我很喜歡這校，但小兒對音樂喜愛就很一般。我怕升中不大好。優才中學都不錯，比上不足，比下有餘。仲有不知道SFA叩門有冇機會。請大家比啲意見。
作者: joanthony 時間: 12-1-12 22:25
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作者: newmommy 時間: 12-1-12 23:35
GT ? the quality of the teachers are very different from CKY. Not comparable at all.
APS / SFA is very pushy and traditional. If your kid is smart but difficult to teach, my impression is, CKY would provide more space. It really depends if your gifted kid has emotional concerns. But if your son is able to deal with traditional schools' style (you need to check if APS / SFA's homework style is repetitive or not -- your gifted son may not like it that way).
作者: Aerosol_Ma 時間: 12-1-12 23:49
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那時候我小兒只是４歲３個日，他做了Wechsler Preschool and Primary Scale of Intelligen-Chinese Version. 這個test, ４歲已經可以了。
我想CKY 會有位放出來。你看在這裡巳經有不少人放位。祝你成功。我就喜歡SFA, 因為聽講有幾多gifted。我希望小兒能夠跟他們一齊學習。但又怕升中又會滑鐵盧。很煩。
作者: Aerosol_Ma 時間: 12-1-12 23:55
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I think my son is not difficult to teach. He likes and does homework very quick. Emotion, um ... likes to win all the times. Always want to answer questions in class.
Can you share more why you say the teacher quality of GT and CKY can't comparable? Is GT really that bad (or just mediocre? Many thanks.
作者: cookieng 時間: 12-1-13 08:18
本帖最後由 cookieng 於 12-1-13 08:22 編輯
CKY 既功課唔淺, 思考性既功課比較多, 抄寫比較少, , 囡囡 今年y1, 讀得很開心,
作者: blueblueclub 時間: 12-1-13 12:18
CKY行IB, 根本係同本地既學習兩回事, 前者係著重problem solving同埋興趣學習, 呢方面係好長遠既訓練黎, 亦係初段好難睇到個果效, 父母會好擔心小朋友太"hea"亦唔知佢學左d咩
本地學校始終都係focus係考試同埋背誦, 係初期你會好易見到個成效, 但好容易適得其反令到小朋友失去學習興趣
邊類適合資休生就真係好難講
作者: bee918 時間: 12-1-13 12:58
newmommy 發表於 12-1-12 23:35 
GT ? the quality of the teachers are very different from CKY. Not comparable at all.
APS / SFA is ve ...
If the kid has emotional concern, which one you'd suggest? Thanks!
作者: RoseInPink 時間: 12-1-13 13:26
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作者: Aerosol_Ma 時間: 12-1-17 13:01
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如果是追得到啲學生，學校在這方面有什麼支援呢？希望在讀啲家長分享吓。
作者: Aerosol_Ma 時間: 12-1-17 13:05
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如果成績okay, 只有少少emotional問題, GT 可能比較包容啲. 最少是小班教學. 不對嘅請斗正.
作者: malakids 時間: 12-1-17 15:31 標題: Short term gain, long term lose
本帖最後由 malakids 於 12-1-17 16:10 編輯
選傳 統 或 IB學校 主 要 是 決 定 于 對 小 孩 長 大 後 的 期 望 .
如 果 要 做 醫 生 會 計 師 或 中 低 級公 務 員 , 讀傳 統 有保 障.
IB主 要 是 訓 練 獨 立 分 析 能 力 和 培 養 對 學 科 的興 趣 . 三 幾 年 內 ,傳 統 學 校 一 定 比 活 動教 學 教 得 多 .
但 現 在 香 港 經 濟 主 要 依 靠 金 融地產 , 高 端 的 創造都 和 香 港 無關 . 傳 統 畢 業 的 學 生 , 大部份只有有考試壓力時, 才會看書 . 根 本不可以和美加的看書風氣相比 . 就算在共公圖書館的中文書 , 大部份都是台彎或大陸出版的 , 和 香港出版的不成 比 列 .
現在的小學只注重和本地小學比較競 爭 , 有沒有考慮20年之后大學畢業 時, 是否可以和全球的人材競爭.
作者: Naurto 時間: 12-1-17 16:07
看看華夏盃參加的學校, 可能會看到這些學校數學科的方向..........
http://www.hkmo.cc/gangao/
作者: iamderek 時間: 12-1-17 16:20
GT今年只參加小一至小三的華盃。
http://www.hxcup.org/
作者: ANChan59 時間: 12-1-30 14:49
本帖最後由 ANChan59 於 12-2-2 16:57 編輯
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Just share some experience and thoughts here, wish you can pick the most suitable school for your kids:
1. Maths is an important subject, but not the only one, even my son like Maths. We directed him to balance out in knowledge development, not just Maths.
2. Does Maths is his interest or expertise?He loves Maths but not necessary take Maths as professional or career.........If not Maths, so what's it? I don't mean to drop Maths, but also improve his weakest link(s).
3. Emotional problems of gifted kids, yesor no? All depends on scenario and how we help him to understand the real world and we may need professional help, not to solve his problem, but helping us to understand him more and share with his teacher in the school. Gifted kids are lonely, we need to learn how to communicate with him and share his emotional problem. For example, even my son is Maths gifted and pretty mature, he did notvery well in his HL Maths in IBDP, the issue is steps. In his mind, the answer isso simple and obvious, why artificially to write so many steps and then the answer. The teacher explained to him that she would like to know the answer isgenuine and not copy from other. My son is not happy about her answer. Hechallenged her and did Maths questions openly and publicly (單挑) in the class; of course, he beat her badly in speed andcorrectness .... My intervention is - hey, most teachers and examiners are mediocre, they are not as smart as you, they can't follow your jumping steps method, you need to facilitate them to appreciate your powerful mind-Maths technique. He takes it and does it reluctantly....
4. Expectation management - I was happy toknow my son was gifted initially and I was / am proud of him. I really don’t wantto dominate his life based on my expectation, should be based on his expectation or inspiration.......... Gifted kids up to certain age, he has hisown views, may be very unique or just normal, talk to them and share some of your views, let him learn one fundamental concept, he needs to make decision and also bear the consequence...... It's not easy, but very useful for his future development.
5. A gifted kid is a precious gift from our Lord, we are the family steward to grow with him, not pass the royal responsibility to the schools, teachers, training classes......... We need towork with him up to certain age and or certain point. I can't tell you exactly,follow your heart.
6. Teachers have proper training to handle gifted kids is critical and parents also need to learn how to handle gifted kids. We need to work hand in hand with schools and teachers. If you canarrange a meeting either with the principal or the head teacher of the gifted education, you can understand their philosophy and their supports. Talk to some current parents may give you more in-depth info of the gifted education. Like my son son’s primary school, they offered special program for High Learning Ability students, the program focus on
1. Creativity;
2. Team work and
3. Emotion and relationship
Those elements are crucial to his development.
Just pop up my mind, may miss some other important points........
作者: huba 時間: 12-1-30 23:13
newmommy 發表於 12-1-12 23:35 
GT ? the quality of the teachers are very different from CKY. Not comparable at all.
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作者: newmommy 時間: 12-1-31 21:45
huba, true. I only know about a few (<= 10) teachers in CKY and their education background (their CV, and hence, where they get their degrees from), and only know the CV of about < 5 teachers in GT. I did not have the chance to examine their teaching quality vis-a-via the students and especially gifted ones. So, your comment is justified.
作者: Aerosol_Ma 時間: 12-2-1 12:29
newmommy 發表於 12-1-31 21:45
huba, true. I only know about a few (
作者: Aerosol_Ma 時間: 12-2-2 14:59
ANChan59 發表於 12-1-30 14:49
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Just share some experience and thoughtshere, wish you can pick the most suit ...
First of all thank you a lot for the advises for my kid. I have asked your option on CTY before and yesterday we started the course finally. My son loves it. To answer your point 1, I guess he loves Maths and he can also handle it with ease. Personally I hope he can master the subject BUT not take Math as professional or career. In HK, it's very difficult to use PURE MATH knowledge, APPLIED MATH may be relatively easier. Anyway I will let him to decide. It seems to me that he knows the answer without thinking it. That will lead me to your other concern. They may jump many steps and they think it's not necessary.
His other expertise is English capability. Since he knows phonics (very impressive comments by his teacher), he knows most of the words inside a kid dictionary with around 4000 words. In fact I don't know how he memorizes things.
Unfortunately gifted education is not common in HK and sometimes principals and teachers may even have the perception that they are the "trouble makers". Yes, sometimes they act differently but they should be treated at least "equally". I remember that two months ago there was a local news mentioning a gifted child cannot find a secondary school.
For your point 6, it's exactly what I want to know. It's very important for teachers with proper training to teach them. For GT, I know all kids will be assessed by their language, math skills, etc but not too sure for other schools.
I can't agree more on what you said "A gifted kid is a precious gift ...". In fact no matter gifted or not, a kid is a precious gift for his parents. We need to know how to nourish them.
作者: coolpa 時間: 12-2-2 16:55
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其實你要清楚小朋友的特性來為他們選擇小學，如我沒有為囝囝選擇
DBS and CKY是因為學校比較自由，會令囝囝dup懶左，因囝囝不是自動自覺的人及太愛玩，而本身父母要俾多d資源及時間。而APS雖然很多派去男拔，但大部分係因為音樂才華，可惜小兒沒有這方面才能，所以，我沒考慮，再者男拔負責收生的副校長(教音樂)已升為校長，下位負責收生的副校長是否收大部份是音樂才華的學生還是一個迷。最後，本人選擇SFA來等待YW結果。因小朋友最重要是打好根基。
作者: Aerosol_Ma 時間: 12-2-3 00:27
coolpa 發表於 12-2-2 16:55
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其實你要清楚小朋友的特性來為他們選擇小學，如我沒有為囝囝選擇
謝謝你的意見。我也怕我仔在IS會太自由，所以現在放棄了這想法。自由有自由的好，可以訓練creativity，traditioanl也有好處。但是我個人prefer穩健一點。怕懶咗以後難教。
我仔和你仔一樣，在音樂才能方面很一般，所以我怕入了APS，以後升中也沒有特別優勢。你也好，我連SFA second in 都冇，現在希望能完成CTY P3 課程 和Mover，希望叩門成功。
作者: coolpa 時間: 12-2-3 14:19
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放心吧！英華放磅及大抽獎後會有很多位放出來。
作者: penguin_chick 時間: 12-2-4 17:02
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如果以IQ 130定為資優，則有2.2%的人是資優，以本年約六萬小一學生計，資優生便有超過一千三百人。說多不多，但亦絕不是小數目。作個假設，如果全部資優生集中於20間頂級名校，則每一間也有六十多人。當然，或許有些資優生因為家境問題，未被發現，跟大抽獎進了普通學校。但是在名校中的資優生為數一定不少，所以只要進了名校，一定不會孤單。
數年前聽過真道前校長自詡真道有三分之一資優生，而真道有六位全職教育心理學家。最近發現CKY也有一位心理學家。他們可能已關注到資優生(或問題學生)的問題，可能其他學校也有類似的安排。
另外，我覺得資優兒童最怕受到限制。所以如果學校的課程缺乏自由度，或不斷操練選擇、填充等的練習，對資優生絕對無益。CKY的功課自由度較大，例如science fair 的project，小學生也可做中學生的題目。語文科則著重寫作，學生的文章可由四、五頁紙到一、二十頁紙(以三年級為例)，學生可以盡情發揮。
「不要問你的兒女是否天才，只要你當他是天才來培養，他便會有天才的表現。」這是我在一本書內看到的，我對書名及作者已沒有印象，但十分認同這句說話。
作者: ANChan59 時間: 12-2-4 22:41
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「不要問你的兒女是否天才，只要你當他是天才來培養，他便會有天才的表現。」這是我在一本書內看到的，我對書名及作者已沒有印象，但十分認同這句說話。
Agreed.
Similar to self-fulfillment prophecy.
作者: spellinbee 時間: 12-2-4 23:02
Aerosol Ma, my son is in the exact same position. CTY/Welcher/movers/Olympiad math...and we never send him to any special learning classes as we are just an avg family.
I am struggling if i should switch him to another school as hes been in his school since K1..(now p1). but i dont think its suitable for him as its very traditional. teacher complains he runs around. finishes his work too fast and start disturbing other kids. My son doesnt enjoy as most of the subject is too eary.. but seriously i know little bout HK school to make a judgement on which others are good for him. Which school is your kid attending at the moment?
作者: Aerosol_Ma 時間: 12-2-5 10:45
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In fact I personal think CTY/Oly Math, etc are special trainingalready. My son will not run away if he finishes his work too early, he maystand up to check what his classmates doing. Nevertheless he won't feel tooboring in the class. If we go to GT this Sep, I guess there will allow capablestudents to advance their studies (after assessment) and that is the reason Ilike this school. More flexible. Have you applied this school? My son can alsobe adopted traditional school and that's why I may help him to try SFA thissummer (after the lottery). My son is studying Learning Habitant kindergarten. It's a very good school.
作者: ANChan59 時間: 12-2-5 11:55 標題: 回覆：Aerosol_Ma 的帖子
Just suggestion, personally, I won't suggest to jump from P2 to P3-P4. It's tempting but may not do much good for his whole person development.
Regular pace + enrichment programs like CTY should be fine. After 8 yrs. I have no regret to use this principle which suggested by his PS principal.
作者: Aerosol_Ma 時間: 12-2-5 12:26
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Hi ANChan59,
You misunderstood my meaning. I think I will only let him advance 1-2 subjects at most, like Math or English (if the teacher allow). You are very right, it's not good to JUMP from P1 to P2 or even P3, say. Kids need time to play with their peers. Academic is not the only thing in their lives. They need to learn how to mix with their peers, how to develop friendship, etc.
Thanks a lot for your advices.
作者: daisy17772 時間: 12-2-5 18:14
Dear all:
May I ask which school is APS? And what's CTY math? Can someone please share with me and post the link?
My son is K2, he loves Math so much that he keeps asking for attending a math course, however I a, still just giving him some math exercises to do it at home. Any good math course you would suggest? thanks.
作者: ANChan59 時間: 12-2-5 22:06
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Check your PM
作者: daisy17772 時間: 12-2-6 00:31
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作者: gogoweb 時間: 12-2-7 00:27
以我所知, 雖然APS音樂出名, 但音樂成績一般既學生亦好多. 基本上現在無論你讀官津, 直資或私立既小學, 無一條龍既, 要想升上好中學, 個個都係除咗好成績外, 都要有一特異功能係身, 啲超級名校至會收架啦!
如果覺得小朋友只得讀書叻, 除非真係全級頭幾名, 如果唔係, 都無乜邊個會乜絶技都無, 成績一般而又入到啲super schools.
所以擔心入APS要學音樂既憂慮, 應該要撇除. 再且, 比較一下APS同SFA既升中結果, 就知邊間升中派位較有優勢! 數下他們入到Band 1既比例, 就知有啲學校就算唔係考頭幾名, 只要唔係考尾幾, 都可以入到Band One!
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