教育王國
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作者: evianh2o 時間: 12-1-12 16:44 標題: 小班教學
兩位特首候選人陸陸續續公布政綱，小弟求其關心兩位會如何處理教
育的問題。不約而同，兩位就小班教學說出了一些意見，容許小弟也
搭搭咀，說幾句... 社會討論了「小班教學」多年，遺憾是聽到的討論多數將小班教學和因適齡學童人口下降而導致學校資源過剩、縮班殺校兩個課題綑綁一起，於是乎有人就覺得小班教學就是教師和學校想出來的擋箭牌，意圖避過一劫，坊間也有討論環繞所需資源、硬件不足、小班定義、實施級別、制度彈性等等邊皮細節，卻從來沒有討論為什麼要小班教學，小班教學有什麼好處。...
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http://evianh2o.blogspot.com/2012/01/blog-post_12.html
作者: ANChan59 時間: 12-1-13 14:08
Personally, I don't prefer to swing from one extreme to another extreme, middle of the road is more workable:
1. Small class learning is expensive, are we willing to pay for that? As a tax payer, I doubt it.
2. Our infrastructure and qualification of teachers are not ready and good enough to handle that. E.g. number of class room.....
3. Split class is another option, elite class may be still 1:36, then in other classes can split into 1:24 or 1:12 on subject basis (Chinese, English and Maths). Use the best teacher in 1:12 and not in 1:36....... We can refer to SPCC and DBS.
4. Also in NSS, divide the subjects into elementary and advance. similar to standard level and higher level in IB, so students really want to study university, they should go for more advance level subjects. Just for pass or other alternative routes, most subjects or all subjects are elementary. Small class won't help much for inferior students, lower the requirement of the collicullum can help them to learn the fundmental subjects and not discouraged by poor exam results.
作者: evianh2o 時間: 12-1-13 17:01
Thanks AnChan59.
Allow me to discuss further on the topic.
我對小班教學這課題的分析不在於單單香港這個教育環境，只是想告訴大家及政府多元開放互動的教育模式將是世界大勢所趨，而小班教學是實踐這教學模式的一種必然工具，香港遲早一定要跟隨。
香港現在嘗試鼓勵學生學會學習，多角度思考，that's why現在這麼著重通識，新高中方向正確，但政府眼高手低、吝嗇投資。大班教學, i.e.30人以上, 是以前工業革命後，教育被視為mass production的學說，當時大部份國家資源也不豐足，所以大班教學是合理。
現在已是21世紀，世界很多地方(包括台灣、日本、南韓、新加坡、甚至內地一線城市)在教育質素上已超越香港，超越了讀書為考試這個境界，強調思考探索。你看我們的大學生還是一舊飯便略知差異。
無奈香港家長和政府思維還停留在19世紀，敢打賭若果我們再不轉向，永遠也出不到Mark Zuckerberg、Steve Jobs、甚至九把刀也不能。
小班教學不是用來提高成績，而是訓練孩子思考、探索、創新，提高學習興趣。
又其實大家不必擔心香港政府對小班教學負擔不來，要知道我們是世界十大大富有城市之一，而教育絕對是一項長遠戰略性投資，是必須花的。而小班不代表要cut班，三班打散做四班、四班打散做五班已經好好多。
作者: ANChan59 時間: 12-1-13 22:19
May be the last two decades had drastic changes, from my experience and observation, definitely Taiwan, Japan and Singapore not the type of students you described. Korean may be a bit better...... just look at the tuition centres in those countries.
I can't see our teachers are ready.....
作者: vincher 時間: 12-1-18 23:36
矛盾的是：研究報告顯示推行小班教學未能明顯提升學業成績，那麼為什麼投放大量資源($……)？
但推行小班教學，確實增加課堂互動！如果大班教學，課堂管理必成問題！(而家D學生講0吾停口，過度活躍症0既又多)
作者: ANChan59 時間: 12-1-19 00:59
My son study in a DSS secondary school, Grade 7-9 around 36-40 student per class. From Grade 10 onward, he picks IB stream, the class size becomes 15 students.
Better ratio and better teaching method (Similar to tutor system in university.), the depth of knowledge is much better. For example, even an essay he has many chance to work on drafts according to the comments from the teacher, the ideas, organization, presentation........are enhanced. More group discussion, more individual presentation....... the teacher can spare more time on individual needs of all students.
In IS and ESF proved to be successful in small class learning, why we can't in our schools...... What's the problem? The education system, the quality of teachers, spaces, teacher training, parents mind set...... I can't see just small class can work, we need to reramp our education system, our teachers and parents mind set.
作者: annie40 時間: 12-1-19 17:27
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The education system, the quality of teachers, spaces, teacher training, parents mind set...... I can't see just small class can work, we need to reramp our education system, our teachers and parents mind set.
*** ****
我认为父母的mind set 最重要!
作者: evianh2o 時間: 12-1-20 16:34
最難說服家長的一點是：讀書不是為成績，讀書不是為考試！
>.<
作者: ANChan59 時間: 12-1-20 21:51
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Parents to be blamed definitely not the solution, any positive and workable solution.
作者: awah112 時間: 12-1-20 22:30
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作者: ANChan59 時間: 12-1-21 14:21
awah112 發表於 12-1-20 22:30 
如果仔女一定有位讀大學(外國讀),咁家長比較放心,仔女可以讀書不是為成績,讀書不是為考試......但係香港由 ...
無可行的解決方案會變成風涼話。
作者: evianh2o 時間: 12-1-26 10:19
要解決香港當下揠苗助長、教育制度兩極化，其實不是沒有方法，不過肯定香港政府沒有guts會做。方向就是將所有中小學校「平均化」，同時大幅增加大學學位，大家要知道香港的入U率是亞洲已發展城市中數一數二的低唷！
有與趣繼續探討下去的可參考一下外國的平等均衡的教育策略，當中首推芬蘭教育，備受國際推崇，各地（包括我們的教育局）都爭相慕名考察，原因除了是他們能夠培養出多元高質的學生，還有世界各地都響往他們社會與政府對教育的一份尊重和堅持維護公平均等的教育環境。
有一台灣好blog介紹，blogger Yolanda曾在芬蘭生活，寫了一系列有關芬蘭教育的文章，其中她的小朋友的上學體驗和作者陪讀的經驗與感想，也有一些和芬蘭教育工作者，從老師到校長以及家長們的懇談，很值得我們參考和反思。
http://tw.myblog.yahoo.com/yolanda-chen/
作者: ANChan59 時間: 12-1-26 11:18
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I know so many educators use Finland as an example, but seldom talk about relevant resources, like tax bracket, parents involvement and their calibres, teachers qualification, school set up ........
Can we do it by ourself? If yes, why we don't do it at home and parallel with the "Formal education" to co
Ply with our local but silly ruling. Why need to wait...... We can come up something like hybrid system in HK.
作者: awah112 時間: 12-1-26 12:41
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作者: evianh2o 時間: 12-1-26 13:43
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Yes. I'm not advocating that we should all follow Finland's model 'cos each education system is unique and should be tailored to fit one's cultural and social development needs.
A hybrid system is what I (and I think many of us) is looking for, but somehow our government doesn't have a clue about this so far.
In fact, I've been stuyding many systems around the world and from friends in different places, statistics and models in other Asian countries and western societies are interesting. A new book is coming out to market soon, which should give us all (and the government) some hints to make our education system "workable".
作者: evianh2o 時間: 12-1-26 13:47
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Thanks for the info.
I knew about this as well.
But I tell you what, many schools are in fact charging premium prices, ie. more than what they need.
Therefore, I'm sure there is room to adjust down if our HK Government really shows some guts in putting forward some changes, pressing all schools to re-look at their resources allocation and spending.
作者: bookreader 時間: 12-1-26 15:05
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作者: ANChan59 時間: 12-1-26 23:49
evianh2o 發表於 12-1-26 13:43
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Yes. I'm not advocating that we should all follow Finland's model 'cos each ed ...
We need to mix and match with our kids and with excellent communication with their teachers and schools, not rely on the government as all kids are unique and different.
It doesn't mean I know the answer and the method, I just encourage us as parents to use try and error method with clear attributes for our kids......
作者: madscientist 時間: 12-1-27 00:29
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作者: evianh2o 時間: 12-1-27 09:51
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Agree.
"Small-class teaching" is only one of the relatively less radical ways to improve the current system.
But of course, a total reform is a must to address the problems in the current system.
Such reform should include, but not limited to:
- Better manage direct-subsidy schools (直資學校)
- Promote quality of 津校
- Build more international schools
- 學位分配 mechanism
- Workload and quality of teachers
- Design of curriculum and syllabus
- Exams' format
- Increase university degrees
- Fix 副學士
....and many others.
Sadly speaking, it encompasses every aspects of the education system.
To make all these happen, the govenment, parents, schools, teachers and other stakeholders need to work togerther...all for better education and future for our kids.
作者: ngsmum 時間: 12-1-27 15:00
我覺得香港教育搞得不好，其中一個很重要的原因是大環境，經濟太過單一；太過集中於金融地產炒賣，再來就是三師；行頭太窄，人人覺得就只有爭相擠入這些行業才會出人頭地賺大錢買到樓養到家安身立命。為甚麼我們對待老師丶作家丶出版編輯，待遇不能好一點？這些都是很高尚的職業啊；可年年我們的高考狀子，選科都離不開商業金融類丶三師類，鮮有其他的。我們做家長的眼光想放遠放大一點。。。但大環境使然，還是要還原基本步。
另外，收生不足要殺校的政策也是罪魁禍首，我覺得係幾乎令所有學校都走上＂求學只是求分數＂的路，要收到生就要升中好，要升中好就要成績好，要成績最立竿見影的方法就是谷谷谷。
記得中西區有一間學校因收生不足，因而錄取沒有學校肯收留的新移民；因學生少，老師能夠充分照顧學生的需要及發展，令新移民學生得傑出學生奬，可是這樣一間學校因師生比例太大被評為浪費資源，還是瀕臨殺校；政府以這樣的心態管理學校丶辦教育，小班教學的好處量化不了，又怎會看得到。
記得當年討論中學縮班，有議員問教育局長為甚麼中學不能搞小班，好記得，佢一句話，這是行政主導。當年小學也是死不行小班，後來怱然又行了，都是長官大人的意志說了算。。。
無錯小班教學要實行有很多難題，但以香港的富裕程度，我看不出有show stopper（或者最缺的是土地！！）, 行不了，不是無能力，是沒決心，不肯用力。
作者: madscientist 時間: 12-1-27 22:18 標題: 引用：我覺得香港教育搞得不好，其中一個很重要的
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作者: ngsmum 時間: 12-1-30 14:29
madscientist 發表於 12-1-27 22:18 
你說得對，香港整体來說是富裕，要多點投資教育，相信反對的人不多。問題是如何投資才合理。
坦白說，你認 ...
當然單是減少人數不能解決所有問題；不過我覺得起碼是改善教師待遇的一種。師生比例較好，老師工作量輕點正常點，多點時間闗顧學生，我相信得益的是學生（當然，又是很難量化的）。
同時，我們是追求一步到位，還是循序漸進？我相信後者較容易。減少師生比例，讓老師有時間進修學習並實踐小班教學的技巧。（或者我想的太簡單？？）
至於現在教師校長的手法和心態。。。很難說，我想有一部份是制度逼成，如ＴＳＡ，沒錯不會計算在個別學生頭上，但教育局怎樣運用得來的數據呢？有沒有對學校施壓呢？對殺校有沒有影響呢？不得而知。另外，我亦想信，很多教師校長對教育是有心的，只是制度工作量等等令他們難以發揮。
作者: 1234ats 時間: 12-2-1 00:25
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ANChan59 發表於 12-1-26 11:18
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I know so many educators use Finland as an example, but seldom talk about rele ...
I don't have figures on hand but I don't think HK per capita on average spends less than Finland on education.Just see how many kids study overseas and in International schools, and how much our society is spending on tuition. So money is not the real issue.
I agree we should start to do something for our kids first rather than waiting for education reform, as reforms can be painful and slow since politics is very often inevitable.
For those parents who find huge pressure from their kids' schooling, I do highly recommend them to seriously look into Finland's approach. Their way is much more effective and efficient than ours. Their kids don't have homework and frequent dictation. But I think their 12 year old kids probably get higher marks than our P.6 kids if they are asked to do our P.6 TSA English paper, without much tuition and practice.
So why not learn from them so that our kids can GET HIGHER MARKS when not caring about marks and with much less effort.
To have effective education, we need to first spend lots and lots of effort to understand every kid's personality, ability and interests BEFORE we stress on high marks. Finland's teachers play that role. They only have classwork but no homework. The teachers monitor their students during classwork.This helps them to understand their students' strength and weakness.
Our kids have much homework. Our teachers have heavy workload to mark the homework. But just by marking the homework can the teachers understand how the kids approach a problem and what difficulties the kids are facing? How many of our parents, teachers or tutors seriously treat every homework to see what and how the kids can be benefited from doing that homework? I can see many kids are not learning anything when they do their homework or drilling exercises.
It is also important to understand the elements or quality which lead to good results in each subject, if we want high marks. For example many kids who are excellent in addition and subtraction are not necessarily good at mathematics.
We should learn a lot from Finland before we adopt small class teaching in HK.
作者: ANChan59 時間: 12-2-1 09:54
1234ats 發表於 12-2-1 00:25
I don't have figures on hand but I don't think HK per capita on average spends less than Finland on ...
Thanks so much for your reply, as I am out of town, I will share some thoughts on your remarks.
ANChan59
作者: evianh2o 時間: 12-2-1 10:52
非常好的討論！
我「研究」了香港教育和家長心態好一陣子，觀察到幾個「現象」
1. 大家(包括政府、學校和家長)都認為香港教育出了問題，但大家常把問題歸究是資源問題，其實談資源之前，有沒有認真想過出問題的根源其實是教育的方向和方法。
2. 我好想大家知道錢對於香港政府真的不是問題，我們的政府真的非常非常有錢。只是吝嗇投資於對香港未來有深遠影响的教育。大學學額十幾年冇加過是事實。
3. 政府、很多校長和家長都質疑我們教師的質素，但其實我們的教師有幾不濟呢？可能我比較幸運，所接觸到的教師都非常好。而且我相信部份對教師質素的質疑是因為制度迫成的，有部份教師也是有心冇力。
大家點睇？
作者: ngsmum 時間: 12-2-1 15:20
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1234ats, 你說的很闗鍵, . 這也令我想起,其實香港也有一些私立小學正正是這種模式, 我指的是他們也是行本地課程, 跟政府派位, 小班教學之外,還有雙班主任制, 老師有很多空間時間跟學生相處, 了解每個學生的強弱, 因材施教, 甚至個別輔導, 也等別闗顧學生的情意發展; 强調在校完成大部份功課, 不重大量家課抄寫. 不過私立小學,學費高昂,不是人人負擔得起; 而讀私立小學,原來也有風險,隨時停辦失學也未可知. 如果大家有留意新聞, 近半年正正有一間這樣的私立小學有遷校停辦風波, 因小兒就讀幼稚園部, 今年考小一, 感受特深!
而這家小學, 歷年派位也很不錯, 家長口碑載道, 但它卻並不特別受歡迎, 入讀人數不多, 我想有數個原因: (1) 規模小, 名聲不夠響, 在香港人人追捧名校下，沒有多少人會留意它；(2)沒有好的直屬或聮繫中學，家長怕升中又再來一次考學校; (3) 學費高昂；本來因著出生率回升而近年家長對考小學也特別緊張，收生人數顯著回升，可是又突然發生遷校停辦風波，嚇走了不少人及後來者。這才是致命傷。
我想說的是, 課程是一件事, 師資我們是有的, 校長老師的執行力是有的.例子也不止一家，如我之前曾提過的瀕臨殺校的中西區津校，盡收新移民特殊學生，他們有很多放棄的理由，但他們沒有，反而教出傑出學生。。。
這些學校，校長老師們都是有心有力的。但問題是，為甚麼他們都成不了主流？
我想社會主流的價值觀是原因，政府教育局的因循也是原因，兩者再互為因果而形成今天的局面；我們很須要有人來打破這個惡性循環的局面。
作者: ANChan59 時間: 12-2-2 08:43
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Here is the link related to Finland Education from wikihttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_Finland
Which explained quite detail about the system, from pre-nursery to life long education, compulsory and voluntary education, their philosophy....... pretty interesting.
Related to education budget per capita, Finland may be around three times more than HK (HK$54.5 Billion 2012-13, 7.5 M population; Finland Euro 11.1 Billion 2009, 5.4 Million population.)
Finland follows a great strategy, public funded to build the education foundation years first and spend relative less in Tertiary education. For us just totally opposite, spend a lot in university, very little in pre-nursery. Now, it's not the right timing to talk about that as more and more 雙非 come to HK....... may be political incorrect.
作者: ANChan59 時間: 12-2-2 09:22
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1234ats
As promised, my sharings as follow:
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I agree we should start to do something for our kids first rather than waiting for education reform, as reforms can be painful and slow since politics is very often inevitable. (Our Royal responsibilities... yes, take time. May take 25 years before we can see the actual outcome.)
For those parents who find huge pressure from their kids' schooling, I do highly recommend them to seriously look into Finland's approach. Their way is much more effective and efficient than ours. Their kids don't have homework and frequent dictation. But I think their 12 year old kids probably get higher marks than our P.6 kids if they are asked to do our P.6 TSA English paper, without much tuition and practice. (Parents need paradigm shift on knowledge acquiring, skills building..... not just marks. Tuition more to assist students to catch up and let go for independent study, that's what I did as tutor when I studied in HKP. Finland does it in class due to class size and program design and teacher caliber and training.)
So why not learn from them so that our kids can GET HIGHER MARKS when not caring about marks and with much less effort. (18% vs 60%+ post secondary admission rates....... Their and our system is voluntary in post secondary, but as parents we treat it compulsory. Some parents still treat SPACE Associate Degree as HKU......)
To have effective education, we need to first spend lots and lots of effort to understand every kid's personality, ability and interests BEFORE we stress on high marks. Finland's teachers play that role. They only have classwork but no homework. The teachers monitor their students during classwork.This helps them to understand their students' strength and weakness. (That's the major issue in HK, our education spending like reverse pyramid, we spend very little in pre-nursery...... I talked to the Pro Vice-Chancellor of a local university in professional capacity, why spend so many hours in English and Chinese in the new 334 programs, we should do that at junior levels, not tertiary level. He admitted that the current education policy is upside down... Parents' role is equal important as teachers.)
Our kids have much homework. Our teachers have heavy workload to mark the homework. But just by marking the homework can the teachers understand how the kids approach a problem and what difficulties the kids are facing? How many of our parents, teachers or tutors seriously treat every homework to see what and how the kids can be benefited from doing that homework? I can see many kids are not learning anything when they do their homework or drilling exercises. (I learnt something from my son...... he wrote a bit less essay compared with original 334, teachers will go through ideas, organization, and presentation of the essay with him, less assignment, more in-depth writing skills and communication, after submitting the essay, he also need individual presentation of his ideas based on the essay. Quality >>>> Quantity)
It is also important to understand the elements or quality which lead to good results in each subject, if we want high marks. For example many kids who are excellent in addition and subtraction are not necessarily good at mathematics. (Agreed, problem solving and applications are equal important....)
We should learn a lot from Finland before we adopt small class teaching in HK. (Small class education is PTU's mandate for teachers' job security >>>> education quality.....)
Shall we organize a Parents Union to voice out our concerns to counter act the bureaucrats and teachers union and funding organizations like churches and association
ANChan59
作者: bookreader 時間: 12-2-2 12:11
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作者: ANChan59 時間: 12-2-2 13:26 標題: 回覆：bookreader 的帖子
Absolutely correct
作者: evianh2o 時間: 12-2-2 13:49
大家都講得好好。
容許我補充吓，我地政府對中學和大學投入很多，其實係一種錯覺。
中學多係因為轉學制而需要使的錢；大學多亦係因為轉制同埋猛烈泵錢於研究方面，對改善教學只係幫助極之有限。
Re AnChan: You ve good suggestion to setup a parent union, for those who care about our kids' education n the future of HK. And we should advocate "workable" solutions to the govt. from parents' perspective. I am supportive, but how do we start off?
Anyone any idea?
作者: ANChan59 時間: 12-2-2 14:47
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evianh2o
Do you know the split of funding allocations? like EDB, ED, primary, secondary, tertiary (academic and vocational), postgraduate........ will be very interesting.
I have no detail idea about " Parent Union " and I am not sure how to start.
Furthermore, I need to be careful about the legal issue to discuss further in EK, if it may involve legal implication ........... I will PM you later.
ANChan59
作者: 1234ats 時間: 12-2-2 19:40
ANChan59 發表於 12-2-2 08:43
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Here is the link related to Finland Education from wikihttp://en.wikipedia.org/ ...
I got the figure from the web that HK spend 23% of GDP in education. Not sure if it's correct.
How much is Finland's in terms of GDP%?
The figures you quote are government spending. I believe HK private sectors spend a lot more in education than Finland.
作者: 1234ats 時間: 12-2-2 19:59
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Thanks a lot for the reply.
"So why not learn from them so that our kids can GET HIGHER MARKS when not caring about marks and with much less effort. (18% vs 60%+ post secondary admission rates....... Their and our system is voluntary in post secondary, but as parents we treat it compulsory. Some parents still treat SPACE Associate Degree as HKU......)"
To enter university in most cases you need high marks. But to get high marks one has to do that effectively and efficiently, no matter how low the university admission rate is. There are efficient learners all over the world we can learn from. And Finland has set an excellent example for our parents and educators. In fact I have not spent much time to understand the details of Finland's education system. But their approaches align with what I always believe: focus on upgrading oneself rather than high marks. Once you have well equipped yourself the marks will be with you.
That is my own experience and I'm teaching my son in this direction.
Unfortunately in Hong Kong many popular ways to get high marks cannot actually help upgrading our kids. That is our biggest problem. Much of our kids' effort is waste of time in my view.
Regarding the university paradigm, there is a lot I want to say. Unfortunately I'm a slow and inefficient writer. I need more time to organize myself first.
作者: 1234ats 時間: 12-2-2 20:30
madscientist 發表於 12-1-27 22:18
你說得對，香港整体來說是富裕，要多點投資教育，相信反對的人不多。問題是如何投資才合理。
坦白說，你認 ...
我看过P.3与P.6的TSA卷，数学卷明显比几十年前我小学年代浅。 而中英文科也没有需要太多背诵。 看得出教育局也希望减轻学生压力，而不想以此作为竞争标准。只是部分学校与家长对此有不同理解，产生太多不必要的压力。
作者: ANChan59 時間: 12-2-2 20:36
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Looking forward to see your sharing
作者: ANChan59 時間: 12-2-2 20:40
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It reflects we don't trust our EDB
作者: vincher 時間: 12-2-6 00:36
EDB 凈係推行一些 人棄我取或不切實際 的教育方案，例如：目標為本課程(TTRA，其後演變為 TOC)，外國0吾WORK 的在本地小學實行，結果0米告吹；強行母語教學，現在又要微調；中學文憑考試 ……全是廢物
作者: evianh2o 時間: 12-2-6 14:25
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For Govenment's spending on education.
You can find some high level statistics here:
http://www.edb.gov.hk/index.aspx?nodeID=1032&langno=2
作者: ANChan59 時間: 12-2-6 14:34
evianh2o 發表於 12-2-6 14:25
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For Govenment's spending on education.
So Secondary, 38.5% shared among 75k students * 6 years
For Tertiary, 25% shared among 15k students * 4 years + postgraduates....
作者: evianh2o 時間: 12-2-6 14:42
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For Secondary Education, pls. remember it includes the additional recurrent spending because of the new system.
For University Education, it includes huge recurrent research fund grant for the academic bodies which doesn't have anything to do with students.
So sad.
作者: 1234ats 時間: 12-2-9 00:49
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家长们都希望儿女能进大学，一般最主要是希望子女将来能找到条件较优厚的工作。但当社会上大学生越来越多，大学生能找到出人头地的工作机会自然会越来越低。故此虽然我赞成增加大学学位，但我觉得就算增加学位后，一般家长或学生的压力也不会相应减少， 而是将竞争压力伸延至毕业后。
几十年前香港能进大学的学生只占很少数，当时很多没有期望进大学的学生干脆把精力放在发展自身的优点，适值香港经济起飞，加上自身努力，最后能闯出一番事业。类似的成功例子非常多。
而现在因为大学学额增加，大学生地位贬值，让很多家长觉得儿女如果不能入大学前景非常暗淡，因此将一切精力放在如何让孩子求分数进大学，而忽略了很多教育的基本但很重要的东西，学生读书时间多了，家长参与时间多了， 但我们的学生独立处事的能力是否提升了？
这里是教育论坛，大家谈论的主要是升学，却很少人提到什么是教育。读书成绩好的学生不一定将来很有成就， 但有成就的人一般都有一些共通的品质， 如有过人的毅力，独立思考及探索冒险精神，出息的分析能力，对生命有热诚，良好的纪律与人际关系等等等等。。。。个人认为，拥有这些品质的人才有能力应付各种挑战， 立于不败之地。相对于博命单单追求进大学，那其实是否更应多花心思时间培养子女这些优秀品质呢？反过来说，拥有这些优秀品质的学生在学业上是否更易成功？
现实是全世界大部分人都进不了大学，当我们谈论教育，好应该更多考虑如何发展这些进不了大学的大部分学生。
这里主题是小班教学，抱歉扯远了。
作者: ANChan59 時間: 12-2-9 00:59
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1234ats
I am so excited to read your post, I agreed with most of your points and some of your questions also reviewing to me at least. As I Skype with a friend's son in US related to career in HK & US, I can't reply to your post in detail.
I suggest you initiate a separate post and we can discuss on the new topic together.
ANChan59
作者: bookreader 時間: 12-2-9 12:47
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作者: annie40 時間: 12-2-9 14:59
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但有成就的人一般都有一些共通的品质， 如有过人的毅力，独立思考及探索冒险精神，出息的分析能力，对生命有热诚，良好的纪律与人际关系等等等等。。。
*** **** **** ****
拥有如此特质,不难也不易!
父或母,或父母共同有此品质, 再加上良好的亲子关系. 华人父母和孩子最缺的是独立思考及探索冒险精神.
作者: ANChan59 時間: 12-2-9 16:59
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华人父母和孩子最缺的是独立思考及探索冒险精神.
That's true. Having these two attributes, you must don't care about others comments......
作者: awah112 時間: 12-2-9 17:10
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作者: 天天譯 時間: 12-2-10 08:09
戴勝益給兒女的「留學須知」
(1) 順利完成學業拿到文憑（成績毋需太好，不能整天待在圖書館）。
(2) 英文要學到非常好，說、聽、寫自如（CNN懂 90％以上）。
(3) 交很多外國朋友（各行業各年齡層均有）。
(4) 遊遍全美國各州、各大城、各景點。
(5) 看遍 N.Y. 的所有歌劇、舞台劇、電影、博物館、美術館。
(6) 每日步行10,000步以上，養成每日運動的習慣。
(7) 在「安全保障」與「固定預算費用」下，極力擴大見聞與視野，千萬不要儲蓄。
(8) 深入當地一般人的生活領域。
(9) 開始練習理財，培養「讓每分錢發揮最大效益的本事」。
(10) 培育第一流的公關技巧（讓大家願意接受你、信賴你、協助你）。
(11) 需熟讀《Taiwan Today 》，以及寄去的經濟資訊剪報，不能與台灣的經濟圈脫節。
(12) 四年內務必完成以上事項，回台創業。
實在是很好的「須知」，多謝！
作者: ANChan59 時間: 12-2-10 10:14
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Interesting article.
What's the total budget?
作者: annie40 時間: 12-2-10 12:45
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我也有王品先生的想法和做法, 最大分别是王先生财力宏厚能如此做, 我们为父母者更需'每日三省吾身'
听过专拦作家曾鼓吹" 女孩子要贵养' , "男孩要贱养' 论说. 简直是对孩子的最大整蠱,
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