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作者: sau2005 時間: 11-12-25 00:03 標題: VSA難入嗎

本地小學升中，如考維多利亞難嗎？

作者: chongnicole 時間: 11-12-27 21:16

VSA優先收自己的小學畢業生，所以都吳憂無人讀。佢歷史較短、並非IS，定位有d似弘立。相對其他國際學校動不動幾千人報名，VSA應該算是比較容易一些。

作者: Ving 時間: 11-12-28 14:00

But which one is better, VSA or ISF then

作者: cherubic 時間: 11-12-28 14:12

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It should not be too difficult at the present moment. But the kid needs to be very good at English and Chinese.

作者: chongnicole 時間: 11-12-28 22:36

ISF 名氣大d、校舍豪華d、學費debenture使費貴。近年好多人報名，已經係幾難入。
兩間都係歷史較短，同其他IS幾吳同，除非係小學或小朋友好出色，讀到一半要轉校吳容易。

作者: Ving 時間: 11-12-28 23:02

So, what's the point to choose schools like ISF/VSA (relatively short history and no strong reference for university admission but expensive school fee)
instead traditional International Schools like GSIS, CDIS, SIS that has longer history and good university admission record?

作者: chongnicole 時間: 11-12-29 00:18

幾個原因：
（1）傳統IS好似你講果d，近一兩年因為種種原因，已經變成好難好難入，德瑞個waiting list長到不得了，還有6個大 categories....CNDIS一樣係幾千人報收百幾...

（2）另外，傳統IS英文好、有track record、夠cultural diversity，但吳夠重視中文，除了極之難入的漢基，以及SIS外，基本上中文水平吳夠。除非家長排除萬難力谷，否則中學之後、外國留學回來，就等於初中生水平。

大家都明白中文重要性，單係英文得，下一代吳夠老外和大陸海歸競爭，所以ISF和VSA米應運而生。

作者: chongnicole 時間: 11-12-29 00:22

Typo, I mean six priority categories for GSIS. 傳統國際學校競爭大，近一兩年英基幼稚園category2基本上無得in。

作者: Ving 時間: 11-12-29 00:45

但最吾明ISF同VSA冇堅實的reference，即畢業往海外就讀的學生都沒有，咁家長好似用好貴的學費買一個concept，而之後點樣結果，如外國大學接受與否又吾知，好似做白老鼠同risky。

作者: chongnicole 時間: 11-12-29 01:14

都係ga。其實好少家長只報ISF或VSA，都係報好幾間，再看有甚麼offers去決定。而家生育率高、d父母又捨得栽培小朋友，ISF又好、VSA又好，都叫做比多個選擇你。

吳知你有無留意，ISF有出corporate debenture，持有人可以nominate一個小朋友入讀。幾百萬解決一個難題，真系好貴。

作者: poonseelai 時間: 11-12-29 15:59

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Dear Ving

You may check from VSA's website the list of university offers of VSA's students.

作者: poonseelai 時間: 11-12-29 16:02

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Here's the link for offers for graduating class of 2011:

http://vsa.edu.hk/file/257Uni+w+prog+w+title+wo+CC.pdf

作者: mattsmum 時間: 11-12-30 10:15

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Is this publicly available? any detail breakdown of how many students are going to which university? ESF shows detail breakdown each year.

作者: poonseelai 時間: 11-12-30 11:29

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I downloaded the list from VSA's website. Re the breakdown you mentioned, I need to check.

作者: Ving 時間: 11-12-30 12:31

Is there anyone know that the ISF corporate debenture is returnable or non-returnable? And in the website, it shows the amount $200,000 but not million, right?

作者: chongnicole 時間: 11-12-31 14:11

你去網站Admission/fees and tuition看看第三項capital note, 買了可以nominate一個小朋友，in左吳得，有second chance再試，差不多是sure收。你講果種係要過五關斬六將的...

作者: Ving 時間: 12-1-2 10:21

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I have checked ISF Capital note is 4,500,000!!

So, ISF will charge for the handling fee for each transaction, and the capital note does not have interest and only transferable to any new student. If the value of the capital note depreciate, then the parent has to eat up his own loss. But if the capital note appreicate, then you have to share the gain with ISF. It means that for any case, ISF will not lose, only gain.

Just want to know if this is also common practice for other IS or just specific to ISF as I am not very familar with those operations

作者: chongnicole 時間: 12-1-2 18:19

以前吳係咁貴，係近年先咁誇張。450萬對任何正常家庭來說都是荒謬。

其他大間的IS，情況間間吳同，你可以去佢地的website看看，好透明。但不少都無咁貴，同埋學生離校係redeemable，咁佢地的mandate係為該國在海外的citizen提供教育，加上歷史悠久，應該吳會倒閉....當做無息定期lor。

漢基係另一個情況，佢的university placement超級好，當然除了學術好，都可能係得力於家長的background。聽說在secondary market買了債券，都只是保證有interview機會，它近年愈來愈貴族化...

作者: Ving 時間: 12-1-2 22:49

So, just in case ISF 倒閉, what's the implication of the 4.5mil capital note to the parents? Can it be get back then?

Also, if the capital note devaluate and the parents can't find a new customer to take it, does it mean that the capital note become wall paper?

作者: chongnicole 時間: 12-1-2 23:03

Wall paper in both cases la

作者: Ving 時間: 12-1-2 23:24

I am not really sure whether this kind of capital note will appreciate in value or not (4.5 mil cap note become 10 mil after 12 yrs time). If yes, then you can treat this as good investment.

But correct me if I am wrong, the one (called "Halo") in Shiu Lam in Tuen Mun that a very famous IS also only selling at 3 mil though it is still very expensive to ordinary people. It claims to be a super good IS.

作者: chongnicole 時間: 12-1-2 23:37

Debenture of big IS has been great investment for the past few years, but u never know...
No info aout Harrow School.

作者: Ving 時間: 12-1-2 23:40

Sorry, do you mean the debenture investment for big IS is "gain" or "loss" in general?

作者: chongnicole 時間: 12-1-3 00:00

Heard that debentures of CIS and CNDIS appreciate a lot in the past few years

作者: tingtingting 時間: 12-1-3 10:02

A friend of mine has 2 kids at CIS. She holds two CNR (corporate nomination right, similar to debenture), which she purchased some years ago for $600,000. They are now trading at $6.5 million each. And there is a very long wait list. Seems that $6.5 million is nothing to many people.

作者: Ving 時間: 12-1-3 10:40

Hong Kong and China actually has many rich people. But again, millions of debenture is not affordable to middle class.

But is the schools itself can set the value for the (debenture or capital note) without any government control. It seems that the school management quite has lot of power to set it high, right?

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