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標題: 「幼稚園學券逃亡潮？」《2012-2-19 14間退出名單》 [打印本頁]
作者: iantsang 時間: 11-11-10 14:20 標題: 「幼稚園學券逃亡潮？」《2012-2-19 14間退出名單》
本帖最後由 iantsang 於 12-5-10 11:40 編輯
「學前教育學券計劃」推出已有四年，但最近接二連三收到不少熱門幼稚園將於下學年退出參與該計劃的消息，不禁聯想起「直接資助計劃」推出後的二分局面。在自由市場定位及用者自負的原則下，莫非教育自主真的非用學費換來不可？到頭來甚麼美其名的十五年免費教育，最後把幼稚園分成參加和不參加學券計劃的分別，又是否另一項會將幼兒教育推至兩極化的政策？
面對着近年持續上升的租金、通貨膨漲和幼稚園老師需求的不斷上升，無可避免對幼稚園的營運造成龐大的成本壓力。雖然早前局方有意跟隨整體通漲調整學費上限，但實際上幼稚園成本的升幅遠超整體通漲，這正為多間幼稚園相繼退出學券計劃埋下伏線。
另一方面，教育政策與現實需求的不符亦造成部份幼稚園選擇「跳船」，退出參加學券計劃。縱然教育局多年來積極推動愉快學習，讓幼兒在無壓力的情況下上學，但另一方面又積極鼓勵名校轉為直接資助。可惜的是在這環境下，幼兒反而變成從自出娘胎開始便要提早起步，以配合父母為他們五年後的小一面試好好裝備，以求達到非名校不入的目標。
很多家長或許會認為，幼稚園不參與學券計劃是一件好事。因為少了限制、多了資源，必定能提供更大空間和課程自主，將現有課程質素提升。但要注意這推論並不是必然成立的，因為大部份退出的幼稚園，現時的學費已處於上限$24,000一年，其實不繼續參加學券可能只為舒解通漲的壓力，家長切勿一廂情願認定退出的幼稚園必會作出重大的改變。
由於預計明年將無法在保持於學券計劃的上限範圍內，繼續保持一貫的教學質素，這些幼稚園在別無他法下放棄繼續參與，實在無可厚非。縱使學費的升幅只為扺銷通漲的影響，但就算只是每年一千元的加幅，對原可使用學券的家長來說，卻是一萬七千元的分別（現時每年學券資助為一萬六千元），究竟是否非加不可呢？
當然，亦有部份幼稚園確實以提升課程自主性為目標，去爭取較佳的競爭力或加強與學術水平較高的小學函接，而選擇不繼續參加學券計劃。在現實社會中，這是一種很基本的供求關係。由學校提供相應的學習環境去滿足部份家長對普及教育所不能提供的元素。但是，這不正是跟直接資助計劃的方向一樣嗎？
想當年在九年免費教育出台前，學校之間就如百家爭鳴的境況。私立學校各有各自的特色，不少有教會背景的學校在有限資源下，為貧苦大衆提供受教育的機會。跟着私校都變成津校，隨着時間流逝，「校本條例」的出現，正是要為繼續留守的津校都跟隨主流環境而行。失去了原本的辦學理念，學校就如失去了靈魂一樣，留下的只有一個一個倒模出來的軀殼。另一邊廂，直接資助的學校在收取政府資助及家長學費的下，打造出一些提供給有經濟能力家庭的「另類選擇」。
或許，根本已經沒有人再介意了。但是教育，真的是要用錢才能買到的？
難道這就是我們希望教育下一代的價值觀嗎？
「跳船」名單（2012-2-19 已更新）:
現年學費為$24,000（全年）
聖保祿幼稚園
香港靈糧堂幼稚園
天主教聖猶達幼稚園（將於2012年改名為「高主教書院幼稚園部」）
啟思幼稚園（九龍塘正校）
鑽石山靈糧幼稚園
嘉德麗幼稚園（富山）
現年學費低於$24,000（全年）
聖公會幼稚園（鐵崗）(由2012-2013年度幼兒班開始，中環校及畢拉山校合併為聖公會幼稚園)
聖公會幼稚園（畢拉山）(由2012-2013年度幼兒班開始，中環校及畢拉山校合併為聖公會幼稚園)
宣道幼稚園
民生書院幼稚園
九龍禮賢學校暨幼稚園
基督教臻美秀華幼稚園
聖安多尼中英文小學暨幼稚園
萊恩幼稚園（元朗）
[ 本帖最後由 iantsang 於 11-11-10 14:53 編輯 ]
作者: ronniedad 時間: 11-11-10 14:42
呢D咪香港人O既悲歌囉, 唉! 而家我都覺得你俾佢KG愉快, 咁小學後呢? 能愉快嗎? D高官貴人梗講得輕鬆啦, 佢地D小朋友梗可以愉快學習, 佢地又有幾多個會係真正接受香港平民式的教育, 叫佢地唔好俾佢地D小朋友出去讀, 你睇佢地會係點講................一個兩歲多的小朋友就要IN十間八間幼稚園, 你估真係D家長想架咩?
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作者: 梅媽媽 時間: 11-11-10 14:49
作者: 上等人 時間: 11-11-10 14:51
可悲既小朋友同香港人.
作者: 4001cc 時間: 11-11-10 15:00
咁IAN你立場係點? 可唔可以講下?
作者: iantsang 時間: 11-11-10 15:13
原帖由 4001cc 於 11-11-10 15:00 發表 
咁IAN你立場係點? 可唔可以講下?
So sorry about sharing this article! My intention, as always, is hoping to create an awareness and bring out a topic for parents to self-reflect on their own values and direction. So, this is not a complaint to the situation as it is really not much we can do about it.
I am writing the sequel to this article and will post it later on once it is ready. They basically serve as frameworks for my column writing, so I just want to share some of my own thoughts only.
My apology again. And hope parents can always remember, there are always a more suitable option available out there! Don't limit yourself!
All the best!
[ 本帖最後由 iantsang 於 11-11-10 15:26 編輯 ]
作者: 傻太 時間: 11-11-10 15:17
原帖由 4001cc 於 11-11-10 15:00 發表
咁IAN你立場係點? 可唔可以講下?
ian上左岸, 唔洗搭船咖...
作者: iantsang 時間: 11-11-10 15:22
原帖由 傻太 於 11-11-10 15:17 發表
ian上左岸, 唔洗搭船咖...
so sorry, now I feel really bad!
Should I remove the article?
I will still be here to support all parents!
作者: 傻太 時間: 11-11-10 15:33
原帖由 iantsang 於 11-11-10 15:22 發表
so sorry, now I feel really bad!
Should I remove the article?
I will still be here to support all parents!
sorry for making u bad feeling, SORRY
just keep this post and your points of view for the reference of other parents
作者: iantsang 時間: 11-11-10 15:37
原帖由 傻太 於 11-11-10 15:33 發表
sorry for making u bad feeling, SORRY
just keep this post and your points of view for the reference of other parents
No need to apologize!
I think I am just not being sensitive enough, and so I am sorry about that.
However, sincerely there are other angles from this article that is waiting to be explored.
作者: 4001cc 時間: 11-11-10 15:41
原帖由 iantsang 於 11-11-10 15:13 發表
So sorry about sharing this article! My intention, as always, is hoping to create an awareness and bring out a topic for parents to self-reflect on their own values and direction. So, this is not ...
不須SORRY, 反而我好係不好意思.
因為我不能分別有學卷及無學卷之好壞, 所以先問你既立場.
作者: 傻太 時間: 11-11-10 15:44
原帖由 iantsang 於 11-11-10 15:37 發表
No need to apologize!
I think I am just not being sensitive enough, and so I am sorry about that.
However, sincerely there are other angles from this article that is waiting to be explored.
of coz different angles from different people...
for me, i m glad to know some dragon schools jump off the boat...
(咪丙我 )
we respect u and know that u just want to share but not intent to step on us...
easy easy easy...and thank you
[ 本帖最後由 傻太 於 11-11-10 15:46 編輯 ]
作者: 四隻貓 時間: 11-11-10 15:53
教育，現在真的是要用錢才能買到的.
唉......
皇仁都被逼縮班, 名校大多轉做直資. 無錢可以選擇既就買少見少.
幼稚園又平又快樂學習又迎接到小一程度, 有邊間得呀?邊個唔想仔女快樂學習呀?最怕幼稚園不努力, 小一途悲傷......
其實到底有幾多官員既子女係留係香港讀334 0架?
作者: iantsang 時間: 11-11-10 15:55
原帖由 傻太 於 11-11-10 15:44 發表
of coz different angles from different people...
for me, i m glad to know some dragon schools jump off the boat... (咪丙我 )
we respect u and know that u just want to share but not i ...
this is exactly why I have been away for a while and not be able to contribute lately. I must admit I have been affected by some other parents negative energy and are just being bit too cautious...... so I have been staying away to try to get myself neutralize before my return.
However, this new trend seems to affect many parents applying for kindergarten so I wouldn't want to wait any longer. I am aware of one of those kindergartens will make the change months ago and have foresee this will happen as so many kindergartens are now at the ceiling limit of their tuition fees.
Unfortunately, it seems more and more are happening so it is better to make parents aware, be better informed and be better prepared.
作者: 4001cc 時間: 11-11-10 15:57
原帖由 四隻貓 於 11-11-10 15:53 發表
教育，現在真的是要用錢才能買到的.
唉......
皇仁都被逼縮班, 名校大多轉做直資. 無錢可以選擇既就買少見少.
幼稚園又平又快樂學習又迎接到小一程度, 有邊間得呀?邊個唔想仔女快樂學習呀?最怕幼稚園不努力, 小一途 ...
中上公務員有教育準貼. 出國讀書(至到中學)用公家錢. 唔用就苯. 就算在本地讀中學, 好多都係讀私校.
作者: w_y 時間: 11-11-10 16:01
難過至不能言語. 特別看到一直有心辦學, 不隨波逐流的幼稚園如靈糧堂, 都選擇"跳船", 心痛不已......
作者: wootaitai 時間: 11-11-10 16:01
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作者: iantsang 時間: 11-11-10 16:06
原帖由 4001cc 於 11-11-10 15:41 發表
不須SORRY, 反而我好係不好意思.
因為我不能分別有學卷及無學卷之好壞, 所以先問你既立場.
Let me answer you first before I get back to write that article.
Obviously either way, there are pros and cons. One key message that I want to deliver in this article is that, parents should not expect a kindergarten not joining the voucher scheme can translated into a more advanced curriculum. They are not directly related. So, just hope to make parents aware of this sooner and won't make a wrong decision based on such assumption.
Personally my values have changed a lot through these years in EK and my daughters time in kindergarten. I think in the past, I would feel it is an excellent idea to pay for the "extra bits" offered by those who costs more. Since it seems to make perfect sense, if I look at it from the eyes of a business person.
However, as I am able to learn from many educators the core value of education through these years, I have learn to appreciate the efforts and sincerity of them on how education really is. So now, I see things quite differently from how I was before.
So, another message from this article that I like to deliver is, should we as parents continue to "support" those kindergartens who are changing from voucher receiving to non-voucher receiving? This is definitely a personal choice. All that matters is how we find such changes would create a new opportunity for everyone. So I leave this to everyone to decide and share.
作者: w_y 時間: 11-11-10 16:08
就我認識的朋友而言, 讀無學劵學校一樣照花錢在ECA.
原帖由 wootaitai 於 11-11-10 16:01 發表
其實之前學券省下的錢，都是用作ECA，其實益晒D補習班！
作者: iantsang 時間: 11-11-10 16:09
原帖由 4001cc 於 11-11-10 15:57 發表
中上公務員有教育準貼. 出國讀書(至到中學)用公家錢. 唔用就苯. 就算在本地讀中學, 好多都係讀私校.
Agree that the remuneration package itself created quite a twisted way their children are being sent to school. "唔用就苯" has probably spoken for many of them.
作者: iantsang 時間: 11-11-10 16:10
原帖由 w_y 於 11-11-10 16:01 發表
難過至不能言語. 特別看到一直有心辦學, 不隨波逐流的幼稚園如靈糧堂, 都選擇"跳船", 心痛不已......
so there are really both side of the stories. There are difficulty both parents and kindergartens have to faced.
作者: larry_kawin 時間: 11-11-10 16:18
坦白說, 如果學劵只是跟孩子走, 便不用家長們如此痛苦了...唉
作者: fatfatwong 時間: 11-11-10 16:20
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作者: LuLuKiuKiu 時間: 11-11-10 16:24
原帖由 ronniedad 於 11-11-10 14:42 發表
呢D咪香港人O既悲歌囉, 唉! 而家我都覺得你俾佢KG愉快, 咁小學後呢? 能愉快嗎? D高官貴人梗講得輕鬆啦, 佢地D小朋友梗可以愉快學習, 佢地又有幾多個會係真正接受香港平民式的教育, 叫佢地唔好俾佢地D小朋友出去讀, ...
非常
非常
非常之認同!
作者: 傻太 時間: 11-11-10 17:16
原帖由 iantsang 於 11-11-10 16:06 發表
Let me answer you first before I get back to write that article.
Obviously either way, there are pros and cons. One key message that I want to deliver in this article is that, parents should not e ...
"parents should not expect a kindergarten not joining the voucher scheme can translated into a more advanced curriculum" - ummmmmmmmm, but if the schools not stregthen their P1 allocation which is 唔多唔少 related to their cirriculum, who will be willing to pay the expensive school fee??? how the school keep itself alive??? (of coz dragon school w/ good reputation primary section is exception)
not we parents expect, is the school (who decided to jump off boat) must know...
原諒我多咀...
[ 本帖最後由 傻太 於 11-11-10 17:20 編輯 ]
作者: 上等人 時間: 11-11-10 17:40
佢係一個大大大商家.
原帖由 fatfatwong 於 10-11-2011 16:20 發表
對...但有咩辦法可以令政府聽我地講
作者: TOKIN 時間: 11-11-10 18:03
As Ling Liang headmistress said before, she actually sent request to the Education Secretary for increasing the subsidiary amount, in front of our parents during K3 graduation performance.
She explained it's very difficult to cover the rising cost nowadays, based on the subsidiary amount + school fee ceiling amount.
I think, if it not increase the staff salary, the turnover rate of those experienced teachers is high.
And, I really see it's true that some old teachers not stay this year.
It seems, she not willing to shift the burden on parents. However, if many experienced teachers leave, it will affect its education quality, and finally it's no good to the students.
作者: TiTiTiTi 時間: 11-11-10 18:33
是政府致力把商業競爭的模式硬套進教育。
對接受學券的學校諸多限制。
兩分化的情況下，變成有充足資源的家庭投入無學券的“私人市場”。
資源有限的家庭則留在“津貼市場”。
其實，用這個制度跟房屋政策比較一下，是不是似曾相識呢？
遺憾的是，教育並不能以金錢掛帥啊！孩子是整個社會的將來，短視的官員！
作者: fingerbb 時間: 11-11-10 22:38
請問聖公會(畢拉山)仲有冇學券?
作者: LittlePanda101 時間: 11-11-10 22:53
No more for SKH (Mt Butler) too.
作者: ting-ma 時間: 11-11-10 23:06
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作者: joyjoy815 時間: 11-11-10 23:12
原帖由 傻太 於 11-11-10 17:16 發表
"parents should not expect a kindergarten not joining the voucher scheme can translated into a more advanced curriculum" - ummmmmmmmm, but if the schools not stregthen their P1 allocation which is ...
實情是....許多「跳船」的學校, 現在都是物超所值,
其實呢2年物價飛升, 正如 ian 所講, 不繼續參加學券可能只為舒解通漲的壓力，
又或者需要在老師薪金上稍作調整以留住人才, 許多「跳船」學校的學費已達學券上限, 「跳船」可能是不能不走的一步,
面對這困局, 真的好想問吓我地D教育局高官, 幾時才可以真正體會我們做家長的苦況, 好難過......
作者: iris5a 時間: 11-11-11 09:09
Ian, thanks for your sharing.
Although i m so upset :(
作者: iris5a 時間: 11-11-11 09:19
我之前都登過報尋你
原帖由 iantsang 於 11-11-10 15:55 發表
this is exactly why I have been away for a while and not be able to contribute lately. I must admit I have been affected by some other parents negative energy and are just being bit too c ...
作者: vnghk0001 時間: 11-11-11 11:33
跳船嘅學校因營運資金問題，如果學費唔係加得多，因通賬問題我諗唔會有太大改變，只不過而家係用家自付。
咁係咪唔跳船嘅學校為左生存而會縮減成本呢？老師都係打工，你冇可能減人工，唔加、加少啲又轉校，教材年年加價，咁會係減乜呢？又點可以保持教育質素？
作者: iantsang 時間: 11-11-11 12:17
原帖由 傻太 於 11-11-10 17:16 發表
"parents should not expect a kindergarten not joining the voucher scheme can translated into a more advanced curriculum" - ummmmmmmmm, but if the schools not stregthen their P1 allocation which is ...
haha, I think you are right that the kindergartens should know. But frankly all of them have their own fans so I think they won't be too concerned with any drop of interests.
At the end, what I want is to remind not to make such assumptions pee-maturely. Will need to wait for more information to be announced.
作者: iantsang 時間: 11-11-11 12:23
原帖由 TOKIN 於 11-11-10 18:03 發表
As Ling Liang headmistress said before, she actually sent request to the Education Secretary for increasing the subsidiary amount, in front of our parents during K3 graduation performance.
She explai ...
Yes, it is a pity that quite a number of kindergartens would have to deal with such amount of financial pressure under the current scheme. It is a difficult decision I am sure.
作者: iantsang 時間: 11-11-11 12:25
原帖由 LittlePanda101 於 11-11-10 22:53 發表
No more for SKH (Mt Butler) too.
Thanks for the info.
Yes I called to ask this morning too and they confirmed.
作者: 傻太 時間: 11-11-11 12:29
原帖由 iantsang 於 11-11-11 12:17 發表
haha, I think you are right that the kindergartens should know. But frankly all of them have their own fans so I think they won't be too concerned with any drop of interests.
At the end, what I wa ...
"all of them have their own fans so I think they won't be too concerned with any drop of interests"
i dont agree entirely as part of the interests is because of the Voucher...Say, Creative (Kln Tong), after the parents knowing they have jumped off the boat which notify them after interview, some said the school waste their time to interview...(of coz not ALL the parents, but should means part of the interests)
唔係撩交哎, just my point of view...
anyway, how u choose btw TT(Int'l) & LH??
作者: iantsang 時間: 11-11-11 12:30
原帖由 ting-ma 於 11-11-10 23:06 發表
I would like to ask if anybody know the curriculum for kinder have voucher & w/out voucher w/ big difference??? I am very confuse about this point & struggling whether choose voucher or non-voucher on ...
Actually, the curriculum itself is independent of whether the kindergartens choose to accept voucher or not. What we know for sure is for the majority of kindergartens which accept vouchers, they are under more restrictions as suggested by the EDB and there are more administration works to do in order to comply with the requirement. For those kindergartens which don't receive vouchers, they would have more freedom on their curriculum design only.
作者: iantsang 時間: 11-11-11 12:34
原帖由 傻太 於 11-11-11 12:29 發表
"all of them have their own fans so I think they won't be too concerned with any drop of interests"
i dont agree entirely as part of the interests is because of the Voucher...Say, Creative (Kln Ton ...
argh.... are you picking on my English? 
what I said was ALL these kindergartens have their own fans so THOSE parents will support them anyway. I didn't say ALL parents will support them wor. Of course not everyone will have to agree with that.
作者: iantsang 時間: 11-11-11 12:36
原帖由 iris5a 於 11-11-11 09:19 發表
我之前都登過報尋你
Yes, I know and I have replied you. Did you notice?
作者: soscho 時間: 11-11-11 12:36
其實咪又係公私營e院的問題, 公家e院d e生不斷走去私家e院搵$, 公院俾唔到的野咪去私院搵law, 同樣, 有學卷的學校俾唔起$請高質素的老師, 咁佢地咪走law, 可憐我地呢班年年交足稅但依然得唔到較好的福利..
作者: TOKIN 時間: 11-11-11 12:39
原帖由 iantsang 於 11-11-11 12:23 發表
Yes, it is a pity that quite a number of kindergartens would have to deal with such amount of financial pressure under the current scheme. It is a difficult decision I am sure.
It seems the kindergarten situation similar to the primary school.
The 'voucher' scheme seems useless.
If you have enough financial support, your kids will get more.
But, education should be equal to every child.
Otherwise, it may create many society problem of our next generation in the future.
作者: iantsang 時間: 11-11-11 12:39
原帖由 vnghk0001 於 11-11-11 11:33 發表
跳船嘅學校因營運資金問題，如果學費唔係加得多，因通賬問題我諗唔會有太大改變，只不過而家係用家自付。
咁係咪唔跳船嘅學校為左生存而會縮減成本呢？老師都係打工，你冇可能減人工，唔加、加少啲又轉校，教材年年加價，咁會係減乜 ...
I think you have brought up a good point, one of my underlying questions from this article.
With a fixed amount of incomes, by nature there are only two ways to resolve it, either by increasing incomes or lowering costs. From this article, we have learned some have chose the first option, but the another question is how about those who chosen not to increase incomes can survive?
作者: vnghk0001 時間: 11-11-11 13:31
所以未來由幼稚園開始就會分階級，係街見到小朋友著嘅校服就知讀唔讀得起？咁細個就被標籤？而家係街見到有小朋友著名校校服好羨慕，但都係因為個小朋叻而入到，而唔係用$$去分，政府唔support ，係咪要立法唔可以著校服返學比較好呢？
好可悲嘅政策！
作者: iris5a 時間: 11-11-11 14:19
原帖由 iantsang 於 11-11-11 12:36 發表
Yes, I know and I have replied you. Did you notice?
噢~ 可能沉左底~
anyway, ur info and advice is really helpful to us! 
作者: iantsang 時間: 11-11-12 21:47
Today in Oriental Daily......
名幼園紛跳船 學券制瀕崩潰
http://orientaldaily.on.cc/cnt/news/20111112/00176_012.html
作者: dolala 時間: 11-11-14 12:47
根本學校同家長為了保障自己的社經地位，自然會加強資源，確保窮人的孩子追唔到上來，自己間學校同孩子可以繼續贏在起跑線。要解決唯有取消私校，全部學校公營化、統一化。不過咁既教育大鑊飯，你應該會避之則吉！至於學券資助私校，你認為有資助佢地就唔會找辦法加學費？
作者: iantsang 時間: 12-2-19 03:07
本帖最後由 iantsang 於 12-5-10 11:43 編輯
最新「跳船」名單（2012-2-19 已更新）:
十四所退出學券計畫幼稚園名單
現年學費為$24,000（全年）
聖保祿幼稚園
香港靈糧堂幼稚園
天主教聖猶達幼稚園（將於2012年改名為「高主教書院幼稚園部」）
啟思幼稚園（九龍塘正校）
鑽石山靈糧幼稚園
嘉德麗幼稚園（富山）
現年學費低於$24,000（全年）
聖公會幼稚園（鐵崗）(由2012-2013年度幼兒班開始，中環校及畢拉山校合併為聖公會幼稚園)
聖公會幼稚園（畢拉山）(由2012-2013年度幼兒班開始，中環校及畢拉山校合併為聖公會幼稚園)
宣道幼稚園
民生書院幼稚園
九龍禮賢學校暨幼稚園
基督教臻美秀華幼稚園
聖安多尼中英文小學暨幼稚園
萊恩幼稚園（元朗）
作者: SCKnight 時間: 12-2-19 10:45
巧婦難為無米炊，政府又要馬兒好，又要馬兒不吃草。作為好嘅學校，為抗通漲同提升教學質素，我相信呢個係正常嘅結果。只嘆班做官嘅只識享朝廷俸祿，不理民間疾苦。
作者: jackwan 時間: 12-2-20 08:44
回復 w_y 的帖子
So agreed!!!
作者: iantsang 時間: 12-2-20 10:42
SCKnight 發表於 12-2-19 10:45 
巧婦難為無米炊，政府又要馬兒好，又要馬兒不吃草。作為好嘅學校，為抗通漲同提升教學質素，我相信呢個係正 ...
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