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作者: im_csb 時間: 11-10-27 23:40 標題: 救恩派位理想嗎?

看過website's record, 救恩派位好似派位不太理想
是因為程度比其他中西區低一點嗎?

作者: tattc 時間: 11-10-28 14:21

原帖由 im_csb 於 11-10-27 23:40 發表
看過website's record, 救恩派位好似派位不太理想
是因為程度比其他中西區低一點嗎?

唔好意思，我真心想問下，派去邊幾間先叫理想？

作者: im_csb 時間: 11-10-28 18:38

係喎...意思係幾多派band 1 , band 2 !

作者: ngsmum 時間: 11-10-28 19:35 標題: 回復 1# im_csb 的帖子

Why do you think it is 不太理想?

nearly 80% go to EMI schools; 86% got first choice.

I think this is exceptional!

Or maybe the key is you think its linked secondary school is not famous enough?

作者: joeyxlma 時間: 11-10-28 20:03

原帖由 ngsmum 於 11-10-28 19:35 發表
Why do you think it is 不太理想?

nearly 80% go to EMI schools; 86% got first choice.

I think this is exceptional!

Or maybe the key is you think its linked secondary school is not famous enough? ...

It depends... I have do the counting but I think 80% is fair, not too low but not exceptional good, especial in that district.

作者: joeyxlma 時間: 11-10-28 20:06

But I think those with exceptionally good allocation results are tyically those renewal as very "harsh", not only in term of the amount of homeword, also in term of the atmosphere in the school. Also the school policy may not be nice especially to whose academic results is not outstanding.

It really depends on the choice of the parents which type of education do you prefer.

作者: im_csb 時間: 11-10-28 21:21

I understand 8x% going to the first choice is a good result already. My question is that Kau Yan is in Central district and there are many famous school in that net. But seems only a few student got a seat those famous seconday school.

作者: CandyTheMom 時間: 11-10-28 22:16

Yea, I have the same query.
The result suggests that those parents put 'less famous school' in their first choice, and so even 8x% went to their first choice schools, the schools were not those 'top in people's mind'...why is that so?

Is that because they didn't think those top (but probably very academic-focused) schools didn't fit their children?
Or is that because they they didn't have a good 'banding' and so won't be able to get into those top schools.
Anyone who have more experience in secondary school allocation can give us some advice/feedback?

原帖由 im_csb 於 11-10-28 21:21 發表
I understand 8x% going to the first choice is a good result already. My question is that Kau Yan is in Central district and there are many famous school in that net. But seems only a few student got a ...

作者: ahkc 時間: 11-10-31 12:32

Good question! any insight?

作者: redkoni 時間: 11-10-31 13:57

原帖由 im_csb 於 11-10-27 23:40 發表
看過website's record, 救恩派位好似派位不太理想
是因為程度比其他中西區低一點嗎?

全級頭十名成績相信也不錯, 問題是東九龍匯基每年都留20-30個位給救恩, 學生是否一定要四月簽undertaking給匯基, 而放棄統一派位大抽獎? 以今年為例, 這21位匯基學生應該有一定數目的Band1學生, 如果參加統一派位大抽獎, 或者會多幾位英華女學校, 英皇, 聖士提反女校, 聖若瑟, 皇仁, 庇理羅士等...你能否答我?

作者: GIPW 時間: 11-10-31 14:04

好好的分析. But we need some existing parents to give us some insight

作者: im_csb 時間: 11-10-31 14:40

但去匯基網頁, 佢去年在本港升讀大學只有十人, 海外升學只有一人, 這樣升大學率計, 和band 1 的中學有一段距離

作者: ngsmum 時間: 11-10-31 19:08 標題: 回復 1# im_csb 的帖子

I visited the 匯基網頁 earlier, can't find the # of student admitted to U but from their school report, the % of 14 pt in 6 subject is 5x% in the last HKCEE, which in my impression, is similar to Ramondi or St. Louis?

作者: tattc 時間: 11-10-31 19:57

我想講現在見到既派位成績，並不可以代所有救恩學生。因為自從陳梁淑貞校長加入之後，好多家長都認為課程係加深咗好多，所以我會期望幾年後見到既成績！

作者: CandyTheMom 時間: 11-10-31 20:50

This is true. Mrs. Chan joined the school three years ago.

My friend asked her directly in the info session why students in KY have good languages capabilities, analytical power, world perspectives, love and motivated to learn, but the 派位成績 (which implied academic results) didn't seem to be good.

Her first response is that she thought the 派位成績 was good: More than 80% went to their first choice schools (refer to our discussions about the problem we raised).

Then, when my friend asked bluntly that 'from outsiders' perspectives, those schools listed were not the top top schools in the area...do you think it was because the students are still 'the old type' of students...(selected before she joined).

Mrs. Chan actually admitted partly and said she has spent a lot of time to change the curriculum (took almost 3 years), and she could see the children admitted-in are smarter and smarter, and she is very confident the academic results goes better and better.

原帖由 tattc 於 11-10-31 19:57 發表
我想講現在見到既派位成績，並不可以代所有救恩學生。因為自從陳梁淑貞校長加入之後，好多家長都認為課程係加深咗好多，所以我會期望幾年後見到既成績！ ...

作者: im_csb 時間: 11-10-31 23:20 標題: 回復 13# ngsmum 的帖子

Just refer the link below :

http://www.ucc.edu.hk/upload/M007/畢業同學出路/中七10-11.doc

作者: im_csb 時間: 11-10-31 23:25

I agree and I hope the result will be better and better.
However, my friends just reminded me that 升中係一個看過去學校成績的遊戲 , that's why I have concern on it.

原帖由 CandyTheMom 於 11-10-31 20:50 發表
This is true. Mrs. Chan joined the school three years ago.

My friend asked her directly in the info session why students in KY have good languages capabilities, analytical power, world perspectives, ...

作者: redkoni 時間: 11-11-1 00:31

2011年救恩升中派位分佈

學校	人數	末代會考>=14分(%)
東九龍匯基	21	51.3
英華女學校	9
基督教崇真	7
聖保羅書院	5
港大同學會	4
中華基金	2
香港真光中學	2	68
聖類斯	2	53.1
聖保羅男女	1	91.6
男拔	1
喇沙	1	74.7
英皇	1	75.7
聖若瑟	1	72.9
聖保祿學校	1	86.1
聖士提反書院	1
蕭明	1	67
培基書院	1
李國寶	1
聖士提反女校	1	71.1
林大輝	1
聖公會鄧肇堅	1
保良局羅氏基金	1
聖嘉勒	1
培僑	5
漢華	3
金文泰	3
嶺南中學	2
香港真光書院	1
鄧肇堅維多利亞官立	1
樂善堂梁銶琚	1
基新中學	1
香港仔浸信會呂明才書院	1	21.7
overseas	3
	88

作者: redkoni 時間: 11-11-1 00:36

講真, 簽約去匯基的學生都自己知自己事, 應該都是Band1尾Band2頭的邊緣人, 如果真係Band2去統一派位大抽獎一定無運行, 與其冒險, 假假地匯基都算所謂Band1尾, 所以收到21人亦正常, 其中有一半屬Band1學生也不出奇, 但總不能對匯基有太高要求吧. 以我從這2011年派位的分佈估算, 有一半學生即是50%屬Band1學生也算合理, 反映了現時救恩派位的結果並不十分突出, 但最前列的一少羣學生成績及ECA應該十分優異. 雖知今年小六Banding是參考2008 & 2010 師兄師姐的 Pre-S1 HKAT成績, 你們只能期望學生一年比一年進步, 考好Pre-S1 HKAT去提升後來的師弟師妹Banding, 不過, 你進步時同一校網其他學校也可以進步, 畢竟升中Banding也是一個zero-sum game!

我講嘅係咁多, 留返俾啲有insight嘅人發表其他意見.

作者: ngsmum 時間: 11-11-1 08:52 標題: 回復 4# im_csb 的帖子

I think the correct website should be this one:

http://www.uccke.edu.hk/

作者: invitation 時間: 11-11-1 09:59

好煩惱~~小一都未讀,又要諗定中一.... 天呀!!!

作者: ngsmum 時間: 11-11-1 10:16 標題: 回復 1# invitation 的帖子

Afterall, I think secondary allocation is one factor only, as a parent, we have to think what are important for our children and which teaching philosophy we believe in, and strike a balance between idea case and reality. I think in HK it is hard to find a school which emphasize on individual growth, nurturing zeal and motivation for learning, yet with excellent secondary allocation result where everyone go to the top top school in sec schools. Afterall, the existing banding system just count on the academic scores.

To me, I feel that Kau Yan is quite good in striking the balance, and sees every child as an valuable individual. If your children is academically good, the school will help to unleash his/her potential, if not, then the school still helps with remedial actions and perhaps nurture the children's self-confidence in other area, not just value him/her academically.

So it is a very personal choice at the end.

作者: chanwendy 時間: 11-11-1 10:59

我姪女係 p.2, 根據我嫂所講, 匯基所以留 20-30 個位比救恩, 係因為匯基校長同救恩前校長係兩公婆, 但匯基校長幾年後會退休, 新校長接手會否繼續留位比匯基, 就係未知之數了.

作者: tattc 時間: 11-11-1 12:29

原帖由 im_csb 於 11-10-31 23:25 發表
I agree and I hope the result will be better and better.
However, my friends just reminded me that 升中係一個看過去學校成績的遊戲 , that's why I have concern on it.

都有朋友remind我【救恩】唔好，話升中無出路，但我自己唔會咁睇，最重要係自己接唔接受救恩既教學方式！

作者: Nique 時間: 11-11-1 13:14

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作者: ngsmum 時間: 11-11-1 13:38

"升中無出路"...這未免太誇張狹窄了吧, 言則全港官津大部份沒有top band 1聮系中學的都是死胡同?

原帖由 tattc 於 11-11-1 12:29 發表

都有朋友remind我【救恩】唔好，話升中無出路，但我自己唔會咁睇，最重要係自己接唔接受救恩既教學方式！

作者: tattc 時間: 11-11-1 14:05

原帖由 Nique 於 11-11-1 13:14 發表
選得救恩好大程度都係認同佢教學理念, 就係著重啟發, 而唔係死谷, 而要明白, 咁一定就有trade off, 就係短時間內唔會好top, 即係唔會個個派到top band 1學校, 但如果放眼將來, 就會明白呢種教學模式係令個學生終生受 ...

Agree!

作者: tattc 時間: 11-11-1 14:17

原帖由 ngsmum 於 11-11-1 13:38 發表
"升中無出路"...這未免太誇張狹窄了吧, 言則全港官津大部份沒有top band 1聮系中學的都是死胡同?

因為佢哋唔相信活動教學，覺得要讀傳統名校，考好啲成績先自可以報到好既中學。

作者: CandyTheMom 時間: 11-11-1 15:03

To add onto your points, 著重啟發 doesn't necessary mean not getting good result. 著重啟發 has to be supported by motivated to learn, learn the way to learn, understand the concepts and also do the actual work (e.g. exercises, collect info, analyze info, understand and memorize the facts etc.). In this case, why wouldn't they get good results in a few years time?

The main reason for not getting good result, I think, is parents in general quite 'hea' and think 'do the school work will be ok. The school says my boy/girl is ok and I think it is ok', without actually cultivating the learning culture and leading the children forward.

In short, for KY, even parents are quite lay back, the students still learn sth which last for life vs for other traditional 谷 schools, apart from the hard-core factual info from the books (note:I do not use the word knowledge here), there seems to be very little left.

It is you, the parents' ultimately choice.

If you are not secure and think only 死谷 schools will => lead you to band 1 secondary school => lead you to good university => lead you to top company and have a good life...then, I feel very sorry for you... I think in reality, the world doesn't operate like this these days.

原帖由 Nique 於 11-11-1 13:14 發表
選得救恩好大程度都係認同佢教學理念, 就係著重啟發, 而唔係死谷, 而要明白, 咁一定就有trade off, 就係短時間內唔會好top, 即係唔會個個派到top band 1學校, 但如果放眼將來, 就會明白呢種教學模式係令個學生終生受 ...

作者: tattc 時間: 11-11-1 15:57

這是我從救恩（小學部家長）問番嚟，希望幫到大家，對救恩有多啲信心！

- project : 是有的, 要家長支援, 因孩子仍細
- 有spelling exercise and assessment. 你放心, 一定有的, 有時做完之後會給你看
- 功課多少, 不同家長的意見不同, 我倒覺得不是多, 是深. 好的方面, 是要求孩子思想, 不要只記得文字; 但若孩子未懂思考, 家長便要幫忙.
- 英- 放心啦, 校長極鼓勵reading. Kids have to try hard in listening and speaking in English in the lessons.  For some teachers, they still talk to the students after lessons.
- 普教中. 很多practice
- kids really enjoy a lot on the projects.  They talk a lot, write a lot, think a lot.  And at the end have reflection.
- I think Kau Yan is a very good school but they seldom `sell' it too openly.  So, not many people know that.  Besides it is a private school, a lot of people would like the government or subsidized school.
-  I have experience with the previous headmistress and the present one.  Both are very good.  Some parents will think they are good at different aspects.
- In a word, I think if your kid is in general ok in 語文, 父母可以有些時間跟進他們的功課, 是非常值得考慮的.

-至於高些班時, 聽說功課很深, 我都有些驚.

[ 本帖最後由 tattc 於 11-11-1 15:59 編輯 ]

作者: GIPW 時間: 11-11-1 19:54

tattc

thanks for the info. However do you know if the school will now put more emphasis for the P3 TSA as this will determine the qualification of the school ?

作者: GIPW 時間: 11-11-1 19:59

原帖由 Nique 於 11-11-1 13:14 發表
選得救恩好大程度都係認同佢教學理念, 就係著重啟發, 而唔係死谷, 而要明白, 咁一定就有trade off, 就係短時間內唔會好top, 即係唔會個個派到top band 1學校, 但如果放眼將來, 就會明白呢種教學模式係令個學生終生受 ...

Agreed with this. 啟發 is important - I am just thinking if at young stage if the child has the capacity to explore - this will be very wonderful. Maybe this will be a life time benefit.

作者: CandyTheMom 時間: 11-11-1 20:29

No. I talked to the Principal directly. She said they will not train students for TSA.
I think if they focus on the children, the children will be equipped well for the test and no need to 'gok'!

原帖由 GIPW 於 11-11-1 19:54 發表
tattc

thanks for the info. However do you know if the school will now put more emphasis for the P3 TSA as this will determine the qualification of the school ?

作者: redkoni 時間: 11-11-1 20:48

原帖由 GIPW 於 11-11-1 19:54 發表
tattc

thanks for the info. However do you know if the school will now put more emphasis for the P3 TSA as this will determine the qualification of the school ?

1. What is the rationale for implementing the TSA?

The main purpose of the TSA as seen by the Education Commission is to provide the Government and school management with information on schools’ standards in key learning areas of Chinese Language, English Language and Mathematics for the purposes of school improvement so that the Government would be able to provide support to those schools in need of assistance and monitor the effectiveness of education policies.

The primary design of the TSA is to assess students’ performances at the Basic Competency level. Schools could then make good use of the assessment data of the TSA to improve the learning and teaching effectiveness in their schools.

2. What are the advantages of the TSA?

Participating schools will be provided with the overall assessment results at the territory-wide level and at the school level so as to improve learning and teaching in their schools.

In the process of participating in the TSA, teachers could thoroughly understand the requirements of the current curriculum and enhance their professional knowledge with reference to this standard-referenced assessment.

The Government will be provided with objective data so as to assess the effectiveness of the education policies.

The public will be provided with an overall territory-wide percentage so as to understand the general performances of Hong Kong school students in three major subjects: Chinese Language, English Language and Mathematics.

3. How is the TSA conducted?

The TSA is conducted at the end of Key Stages 1, 2 and 3 (i.e. Primary 3, Primary 6 and Secondary 3 respectively).

4. Will the TSA data be used in the allocation of Secondary School places?

The TSA data will not be used in the allocation of Secondary School places.

作者: tattc 時間: 11-11-1 22:05

原帖由 GIPW 於 11-11-1 19:54 發表
tattc

thanks for the info. However do you know if the school will now put more emphasis for the P3 TSA as this will determine the qualification of the school ?

有CandyTheMom答咗你…

作者: GIPW 時間: 11-11-2 04:41

Redkoni
Thanks for clarifications but there is point that I still do not understand.
My friends told me that there is no such thing as band 1 school but only classified band 1 student , so the band 1 school is the result of accepting all the band 1 students.

Then according to the TSA result, the school will classified your banding. Last year my friend'son who was in P6 told me that because of the tests, school ask her not to apply Band 1a but to apply band 1b school.

Can you explain more on this type of game ? If TSA is not a matter then how should the child equip to get to band 1 secondary school. Many thanks

作者: ngsmum 時間: 11-11-2 08:49 標題: 回復 1# GIPW 的帖子

據我所知大約如下:
五丶六年級的校內考試成績要呈上教育局, 再加上同校前1至2年的師兄姐在中一入學前考一個學科測驗的成績(例如,2009年的小六生, 用了2008年及2010年小六生的中一入學前成績), 來決定小朋友的2 個 banding, 一為全港性, for 中學第一階段自行收生用, 二為小學所在校網內之banding, 作為第二階段中學派位用.

作者: redkoni 時間: 11-11-2 09:16 標題: Vision

原帖由 GIPW 於 11-11-2 04:41 發表
Redkoni
Thanks for clarifications but there is point that I still do not understand.
My friends told me that there is no such thing as band 1 school but only classified band 1 student , so the band 1 ...

救恩是概念學校, sell嘅係vision, 對學生長遠是好的, 但遠水不能救近火, 應對教育局這個升中遊戲也必須適當地妥協, 做到平衡當然要考學校、校長、老師等功力, 就目前來看, 我覺得最受惠應該是最前列的少數優異生. 所以如果只求升中派位理想, 中西區有直屬中學的例如聖心、聖士提反女校等是最好而穩陣的選擇, 沒有直屬中學的聖彼得派位成績也不錯, 你們為何去讀救恩? 既然讀了又埋怨其派位成績並不突出, 都要俾啲時間學校, 辦教育並不是煑快餐.

作者: redkoni 時間: 11-11-2 09:19 標題: 升中派位

原帖由 GIPW 於 11-11-2 04:41 發表
Redkoni
Thanks for clarifications but there is point that I still do not understand.
My friends told me that there is no such thing as band 1 school but only classified band 1 student , so the band 1 ...

兩大因素主宰升中派位:
[1] 師兄師姊考得的中一入學前香港學科測驗(Pre-S1 Hong Kong Attainment Test)成績
[2] 學生於呈分試的校內全級名次

統一派位大抽獎
取決於學生的Banding, 甲部Banding 取決於全港學生的[1]+[2], 乙部Banding 取決於學生所屬校網的[1]+[2].

自行階段收生及直資
取決於學生的territory-wide rank order([1]+第一次及第二次呈分試的[2]), 面試表現, ECA, 操行.

有家長話: "好煩惱~~小一都未讀,又要諗定中一.... 天呀!!!"
請看看其他家長的苦水.
http://forum.edu-kingdom.com/viewthread.php?tid=2341873&extra=page%3D2

作者: redkoni 時間: 11-11-2 09:24 標題: Band1 中學

原帖由 GIPW 於 11-11-2 04:41 發表
My friends told me that there is no such thing as band 1 school but only classified band 1 student , so the band 1 school is the result of accepting all the band 1 students.

你說衹有小六學生有Banding, 中學無分Banding, 全對! 收較多小六Band1學生便叫Band1中學, 你也可以這樣說, 我有時也會寫「所謂Band1中學」, 以表明我理解, 但當你發覺對牛彈琴時, 便不會再多此一舉, 而且如果一間中學要收全部Band1才叫Band1中學, 我相信十隻手指可以數得晒. 況且, 你會否質疑皇仁不是所謂Band1中學? 一些例子像聖保羅書院、九龍華仁, 收嘅大多數是Band1生, 成績就年年跌, 當跌到連Band2中學的成績也不如時, 這個Band1中學的定義又是否被錯誤理解?

作者: redkoni 時間: 11-11-2 09:26 標題: TSA

原帖由 GIPW 於 11-11-2 04:41 發表
Then according to the TSA result, the school will classified your banding. Last year my friend'son who was in P6 told me that because of the tests, school ask her not to apply Band 1a but to apply band 1b school.

我聽過有家長狂操TSA, 甚至買不少TSA補充練習狂做, 令小朋友加添壓力, 為乜先? 小朋友訓練中英數無可厚非, 但如果因為被誤導對升中有幫助而增添小朋友的考試壓力, 恕怪我說得難聽, 這是家長的無...當然, 儘管政府美言說得漂亮, TSA成績或多或少也是學校表現的照妖鏡, 對水平較差的學校是有一定的壓力, 雖然小學殺校線是16人, 中學是67人, 但TSA成績水平偏低, 難保教育局不會照肺, 刁難, 相信對某些學校還是有一定的壓力.

作者: jj_bb 時間: 11-11-2 10:24

redkoni,

想問下你的意見,軒下vs救恩,你會點揀? 我唔識揀 :>
k3讀緊下午班
住油尖旺區

兩間我都好鐘意,兩間都有支持者.點搞好呢?

原帖由 redkoni 於 11-11-2 09:26 發表

我聽過有家長狂操TSA, 甚至買不少TSA補充練習狂做, 令小朋友加添壓力, 為乜先? 小朋友訓練中英數無可厚非, 但如果因為被誤導對升中有幫助而增添小朋友的考試壓力, 恕怪我說得難聽, 這是家長的無...當然, 儘管政府 ...

作者: redkoni 時間: 11-11-2 10:28

原帖由 jj_bb 於 11-11-2 10:24 發表
redkoni,

想問下你的意見,軒下vs救恩,你會點揀? 我唔識揀 :>
k3讀緊下午班
住油尖旺區
兩間我都好鐘意,兩間都有支持者.點搞好呢?

你並無講出小朋友是男仔定女仔喎? 這是否揀軒下的重要因素之一?

作者: ngsmum 時間: 11-11-2 11:28

redkoni,

你解釋得很詳細啊! 我冒昧想問, 因我的是男孩, 救恩在中西區, 升中時似乎男孩子的選擇不多。如升中時想返回東區派位(因家住東區,而東區有很多不是傳統名校但成績比美甚至更好的學校), 我知到時可要求轉回住址的校網,但聽聞有機會"跌band", 請問在此情況下, 你知道banding是何機制調節的嗎?

原帖由 redkoni 於 11-11-2 09:19 發表

兩大因素主宰升中派位:
[1] 師兄師姊考得的中一入學前香港學科測驗(Pre-S1 Hong Kong Attainment Test)成績
[2] 學生於呈分試的校內全級名次

統一派位大抽獎
取決於學生的Banding, 甲部Banding 取決於全港學生 ...

作者: redkoni 時間: 11-11-2 12:12

原帖由 ngsmum 於 11-11-2 11:28 發表
redkoni,

你解釋得很詳細啊! 我冒昧想問, 因我的是男孩, 救恩在中西區, 升中時似乎男孩子的選擇不多。如升中時想返回東區派位(因家住東區,而東區有很多不是傳統名校但成績比美甚至更好的學校), 我知到時可要求轉回住址的校網,但聽聞有機會"跌band", 請問在此情況下, 你知道banding是何機制調節的嗎?

申請跨網派位, 升Band跌Band都是有可能的, 因為乙部Banding取決於所屬校網, 學生由三次呈分試後所衍生出來的全港rank order是不變的, 一位學生以自己的絕對名次, 放在不同的一大班人比較, 相對名次自然因應會有上有落, 這就是Banding遊戲的難測之處, 當一大班人排出了相對名次後切成三份: Band1, Band2, Band3, 如果將那些Band頭Band尾的邊緣人, 放在另一大班人裏再排名分成三份, 就算兩班人水平相若, 你也難保原本Band2頭不升上現在Band1尾, 或者原本Band1尾不跌落現在Band2頭, 所以如果不是Band1尾, 跨網跌Band機會甚低, 不過由於變數太多, 根本無人能夠肯定, 對嗎? 況且, 小學只能用自己小學往績, 幫你評估Banding, 你轉咗校網, 老師根本參考唔到, 靠晒你自己估喇, 當然, 師兄師姐年年頭十名都派名校(自行巳經被取錄或被直資名校取錄等等), 我次次考第一, 自己也心中有數去邊個校網都應該是Band1頭. 不過, 在大抽獎下, Band1頭與Band1尾都是靠隨機編號, 以較小為優先.

[ 本帖最後由 redkoni 於 11-11-2 12:21 編輯 ]

作者: jj_bb 時間: 11-11-2 12:20 標題: 回復 43# redkoni 的帖子

redkoni :
"你並無講出小朋友是男仔定女仔喎? 這是否揀軒下的重要因素之一?"

回:
女仔
仲有個細佬跟尾

作者: redkoni 時間: 11-11-2 12:26

原帖由 jj_bb 於 11-11-2 12:20 發表
redkoni :
"你並無講出小朋友是男仔定女仔喎? 這是否揀軒下的重要因素之一?"

回:
女仔
仲有個細佬跟尾

咁樣真係要諗埋細佬... 暫時唔得閒, 遲啲再覆你.

作者: GIPW 時間: 11-11-2 12:30

Was told 軒下 is good for boy not so favorable for girl.

Maybe redkoni can give you more good advise. I live in 東區 as well.

作者: CrabPincers 時間: 11-11-2 13:15

原帖由 jj_bb 於 11-11-2 12:20 發表
redkoni :
"你並無講出小朋友是男仔定女仔喎? 這是否揀軒下的重要因素之一?"

回:
女仔
仲有個細佬跟尾

有無原因要揀軒下, 而吾揀軒上?

作者: ngsmum 時間: 11-11-2 13:21 標題: 回復 5# redkoni 的帖子

redkoni, 謝謝你的詳細回覆!

作者: jj_bb 時間: 11-11-2 13:44

家長係舊生 :>

crabpincer: 可否指點下? :>
我地十五十六中

原帖由 CrabPincers 於 11-11-2 13:15 發表

有無原因要揀軒下, 而吾揀軒上?

[ 本帖最後由 jj_bb 於 11-11-2 13:45 編輯 ]

作者: ngsmum 時間: 11-11-2 14:01

不好意思插個咀。請問你有沒有詳細了解過軒下呢？我有親友孩子在官小讀（但不是軒小），對官小印象很差，老師沒有愛心，教得淺考得深，小朋友跟到考到當然好，但如孩子表現一般，老師也不理你，家長要有心理準備閣下自理。

而如果為了入聮繫中學，如ＱＣ丶ＢＰＳ等，我覺得更要三思，因為除非孩子真的很突出，否則靠聮繫去到這些學校，說不定只是陪跑，打擊了自信，最後連大學也入不了（這是我以前親眼所見）。

當然如果你了解過軒小而又覺得適合孩子則另當別論。

原帖由 jj_bb 於 11-11-2 13:44 發表
家長係舊生 :>

crabpincer: 可否指點下? :>
我地十五十六中

作者: CrabPincers 時間: 11-11-2 14:08

原帖由 jj_bb 於 11-11-2 13:44 發表
家長係舊生 :>

crabpincer: 可否指點下? :>
我地十五十六中

如果你FOR 我
我會揀軒上, 不過, 你係OLD BOY/GIRL 分就真係無得好講啦

軒下, 真係吾熟

不過, 比我, 都係會揀軒下, 呵

作者: CrabPincers 時間: 11-11-2 14:12

原帖由 ngsmum 於 11-11-2 14:01 發表
不好意思插個咀。請問你有沒有詳細了解過軒下呢？我有親友孩子在官小讀（但不是軒小），對官小印象很差，老師沒有愛心，教得淺考得深，小朋友跟到考到當然好，但如孩子表現一般，老師也不理你，家長要有心理準備閣下自理。

而如果為了入 ...

吾是所有靠聯繫入去聯繫中學的都係包底的

你不妨去打聽一下...........

軒下我吾知
軒上的老師, 有大部份都係好有愛心的
官校的老師, 吾一定係無愛心
同每一間學校都一樣, 一樣有好與吾好的老師

作者: ngsmum 時間: 11-11-2 15:24

當然當然. 對不起, 我對軒小其實沒甚認識,只是眼見的兩個例子實在令人婉惜, 想提醒家長不要只看升中派位選校, 最好先多了解學校, 如有冒犯,請包涵!

原帖由 CrabPincers 於 11-11-2 14:12 發表

吾是所有靠聯繫入去聯繫中學的都係包底的

你不妨去打聽一下...........

軒下我吾知
軒上的老師, 有大部份都係好有愛心的
官校的老師, 吾一定係無愛心
同每一間學校都一樣, 一樣有好與吾好的老師 ...

作者: invitation 時間: 11-11-2 15:48

redkoni, 很多謝你的comment.

好慚愧, 我唔係未雨綢繆的好家長, 我只會見步行步, 好率性, 鍾意就鍾意, 而我真的好鍾意救恩, 覺得佢地的教育理念和教學模式都合我意, 亦很適合我那位跟我一樣率性的兒子, 所以只要收, 一定讀, 不會考慮升中的問題, 升中係6年後的事. 所以, 當見到這兒有人顧慮到救恩的派位是否理想, 我真係不明白為何小一都未入讀又憂慮中一. 覺得香港的家長真係好辛苦, 有感而發, 才寫了那句話, 絕對沒有其他意思, 還望見諒!

原帖由 redkoni 於 11-11-2 09:19 發表

兩大因素主宰升中派位:
[1] 師兄師姊考得的中一入學前香港學科測驗(Pre-S1 Hong Kong Attainment Test)成績
[2] 學生於呈分試的校內全級名次

統一派位大抽獎
取決於學生的Banding, 甲部Banding 取決於全港學生 ...

作者: CrabPincers 時間: 11-11-2 16:04

原帖由 ngsmum 於 11-11-2 15:24 發表
當然當然. 對不起, 我對軒小其實沒甚認識,只是眼見的兩個例子實在令人婉惜, 想提醒家長不要只看升中派位選校, 最好先多了解學校, 如有冒犯,請包涵!

...

吾好講到甘嚴重
依家要搵一間適合自己仔女的學校, 真係好難, 真係要好好打聽清楚

有D 家長會BUY 多功課, 教深人一級, 有D 又BUY 活動教學, 未了解清楚, 真係會隨時入到去, 就無謂

軒下, 同救恩, 兩間學校, 我看, 教學模式就吾會同啦

作者: Nique 時間: 11-11-2 16:58

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作者: redkoni 時間: 11-11-2 20:05

原帖由 Nique 於 11-11-2 16:58 發表
好多人講話選學校要選合乎自己教學理念, 我初時好迷失, 其實好多學校我都唔知佢地有咩教學理念, 而家叫做有少少認識, 就係大部份學校的教學理念就係成績, 成績再成績,

哈哈, 真是一針見血, 不只小學, 這種所謂理念連中學也適用. 所以現在的學生個個好似倒模啤出來一樣的, 無乜個人獨特氣質.

作者: Nique 時間: 11-11-2 20:17

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作者: redkoni 時間: 11-11-2 20:34

原帖由 invitation 於 11-11-2 15:48 發表
redkoni, 很多謝你的comment.

好慚愧, 我唔係未雨綢繆的好家長, 我只會見步行步, 好率性, 鍾意就鍾意, 而我真的好鍾意救恩, 覺得佢地的教育理念和教學模式都合我意, 亦很適合我那位跟我一樣率性的兒子, 所以只要收, 一定讀, 不會考慮升中的問題, 升中係6年後的事. 所以, 當見到這兒有人顧慮到救恩的派位是否理想, 我真係不明白為何小一都未入讀又憂慮中一. 覺得香港的家長真係好辛苦, 有感而發, 才寫了那句話, 絕對沒有其他意思, 還望見諒!

你言重了, 你都講得啱嘅, 六年後真係有很大變數, 香港人有時真是太計算, 乜都算到盡, 怎知會不會
Man proposes, God disposes ?

能夠感性且率性盡量做個開心快活人, 知足常樂, 令人羨慕.

能夠在這裏看到救恩家長的堅持和深思, 花時間討論多兩句, 也是值得.

作者: tattc 時間: 11-11-2 21:45

原帖由 Nique 於 11-11-2 20:17 發表
真係英雄所見略同, 做怪人, 好聽的叫有獨立思考的人, 係痛苦的, 太多人叫我考STXX, DXX, 好似我唔去考係對唔住個細路, 我唔係話自己好醒, 但都係果句, 都緊要清楚自己要咩, 唔好來到又話人地點解唔比A你, 人地day on ...

你真係講得好好......

作者: im_csb 時間: 11-11-2 21:54

報學校時, 我都真的率性而行, 奈可到真係決定讀唔讀時, 又要平衡, 考慮各方, 因為其實我都不是住港島. 都有一定困難.

原帖由 invitation 於 11-11-2 15:48 發表
redkoni, 很多謝你的comment.

好慚愧, 我唔係未雨綢繆的好家長, 我只會見步行步, 好率性, 鍾意就鍾意, 而我真的好鍾意救恩, 覺得佢地的教育理念和教學模式都合我意, 亦很適合我那位跟我一樣率性的兒子, 所以只要收 ...

作者: im_csb 時間: 11-11-2 21:57

Yes..agree..Thank you for all your comments. You know, so glad to see so many reply and discussion here.

原帖由 redkoni 於 11-11-2 20:34 發表

你言重了, 你都講得啱嘅, 六年後真係有很大變數, 香港人有時真是太計算, 乜都算到盡, 怎知會不會
Man proposes, God disposes ?

能夠感性且率性盡量做個開心快活人, 知足常樂, 令人羨慕.

能夠在這裏看到救恩家 ...

作者: tattc 時間: 11-11-2 23:13

原帖由 im_csb 於 11-11-2 21:54 發表
報學校時, 我都真的率性而行, 奈可到真係決定讀唔讀時, 又要平衡, 考慮各方, 因為其實我都不是住港島. 都有一定困難.

路程太遠，對小朋友嚟講真係會好辛苦，返到屋企都攰，仲要做功課…咁你真係要好認同救恩先自有決心讀，因為要返6年時間真係唔短，其實樓主有幾鍾意救恩呢！仲無其他offer可以揀呀......全港又唔係得救恩一間好學校！（但係…ha..ha..我自己係非常鍾意救恩！）

[ 本帖最後由 tattc 於 11-11-2 23:30 編輯 ]

作者: redkoni 時間: 11-11-3 00:51

原帖由 jj_bb 於 11-11-2 12:20 發表
redkoni :
"你並無講出小朋友是男仔定女仔喎? 這是否揀軒下的重要因素之一?"

回:
女仔
仲有個細佬跟尾

不好意思, 救恩好唔好, 救恩家長巳經答咗你, 軒小我諗CrabPincers比我更清楚, 不過我都可以講少少, 軒小背負著很多家長升讀皇仁的期望, 學校和老師應該不會令你失望, 我也見過軒下的現任校長, 對學生很著緊, 親力親為. 其實, 兩間軒小到小五小六都較看重精英班, 讀精英班的壓力也頗大. 你可以參考以下資訊:
http://forum.edu-kingdom.com/viewthread.php?tid=2306345&extra=page%3D22&page=1

http://forum.edu-kingdom.com/viewthread.php?tid=2307167&extra=page%3D22

http://forum.edu-kingdom.com/viewthread.php?tid=2287655&extra=page%3D23&page=4

此外, 所屬校網也是重要因素, 對Band1學生而言, 救恩所屬的中西區校網及軒下所屬的灣仔區校網, 第一選擇大家都是不錯的, 不過第二選擇則以灣仔區較好而穩, 而且就算跌落Band2也以灣仔區較多選擇. 你的case是要家姐兼顧埋細佬, 真的兩難, 恕怪我不敢俾意見.

作者: joeyxlma 時間: 11-11-3 01:57

本來以為來看救恩的看法, 竟然讓我看到咁精彩的討論, 好在沒有錯過!
回到主題, 我也對救恩很有好感不過派位的確是一個重要考慮.

作者: redkoni 時間: 11-11-3 04:00

原帖由 invitation 於 11-11-2 15:48 發表
redkoni, 很多謝你的comment.

好慚愧, 我唔係未雨綢繆的好家長, 我只會見步行步, 好率性, 鍾意就鍾意, 而我真的好鍾意救恩, 覺得佢地的教育理念和教學模式都合我意, 亦很適合我那位跟我一樣率性的兒子, 所以只要收, 一定讀, 不會考慮升中的問題, 升中係6年後的事. 所以, 當見到這兒有人顧慮到救恩的派位是否理想, 我真係不明白為何小一都未入讀又憂慮中一. 覺得香港的家長真係好辛苦, 有感而發, 才寫了那句話, 絕對沒有其他意思, 還望見諒!

作者: joeyxlma 時間: 11-11-3 04:02

本來以為來看救恩的看法, 竟然讓我看到咁精彩的討論, 好在沒有錯過!
回到主題, 我也對救恩很有好感不過派位的確是一個重要考慮.

作者: CrabPincers 時間: 11-11-3 08:02

＂好意思, 救恩好唔好, 救恩家長巳經答咗你, 軒小我諗CrabPincers比我更清楚, 不過我都可以講少少, 軒小背負著很多家長升讀皇仁的期望, 學校和老師應該不會令你失望, 我也見過軒下的現任校長, 對學生很著緊, 親力親為. 其實, 兩間軒小到小五小六都較看重精英＂

軒上由一至六年級都無分精英班，過往亦不是太谷，功課量不多，尤其默書，我見好多學校一星期有晒中英默，但軒上是隔周
如果buy教學理念就不好諗軒下，要揀派位的就一定非軒下，要諗清楚自己想要乜，不過在軒下都未必一定入qc，但band2生的選擇一定多過中覀區

作者: redkoni 時間: 11-11-3 08:27

原帖由 CrabPincers 於 11-11-3 08:02 發表
軒上由一至六年級都無分精英班，過往亦不是太谷，功課量不多，尤其默書，我見好多學校一星期有晒中英默，但軒上是隔周
如果buy教學理念就不好諗軒下，要揀派位的就一定非軒下，要諗清楚自己想要乜，不過在軒下都未必一定入qc，但band2生的選擇一定多過中覀區

我都話你知得多過我, 即是軒上是沒有精英班, 而軒下只有小五小六才有精英班, 對不對?

作者: jj_bb 時間: 11-11-3 08:33 標題: 回復 70# CrabPincers 的帖子

謝各位意見.

我也很明白要教學理念+宗教教育應選救恩,
要揀派位應選軒下.
我們真的要好好想下 :D
給自己的總結:
軒下:不用學費,派位較佳
救恩:教學理念,全人發展
:D thanks again!

作者: jj_bb 時間: 11-11-3 08:38 標題: 回復 63# im_csb 的帖子

原帖由 jj_bb 於 11-11-3 08:38 發表
就是救恩沒有校車到九龍,這的確有點難搞 :)
不如我地約埋搭的士啦 (just joking) !

就是救恩沒有校車到九龍,這的確有點難搞 :)
不如我地約埋搭的士啦 (just joking) !

作者: CrabPincers 時間: 11-11-3 09:50

原帖由 redkoni 於 11-11-3 08:27 發表

我都話你知得多過我, 即是軒上是沒有精英班, 而軒下只有小五小六才有精英班, 對不對?

軒下的情況, 我真係吾多了解, 真係吾敢亂代答
而軒上, 無精英班, 但有拔尖補底
叻既, 會有拔尖班, 但吾會教D課本野, 都係D額外野(考試吾會出), 而補底, 就係課後/前上多半個鐘, 額外重溫知識, 以前, 會有小班, 即係, 成績未達標既, 上某一堂時, 會抽出去, 小班教, 依家還有無, 就吾知

英文吾深

如果講, 要愉快學習, 又無乜壓力既(當然個家長都要無乜壓力先), 我會揀軒小上, 就算成績點差, 學校都吾會比壓力個家長同小朋友<========我最鍾意呢一點, 呵

學校都吾多谷TSA(相比我係BK 見到其他學校的INFORMATION).............

作者: CrabPincers 時間: 11-11-3 09:52

原帖由 jj_bb 於 11-11-3 08:33 發表
謝各位意見.

我也很明白要教學理念+宗教教育應選救恩,
要揀派位應選軒下.
我們真的要好好想下 :D
給自己的總結:
軒下:不用學費,派位較佳
救恩:教學理念,全人發展
:D thanks again! ...

我自己係基督徒
但從來無諗過, 亦無打算, 兼最好避開有宗教背景的學校(個人意向, 有索教的人吾好圍我)

吾係基督教的, 我吾想佢讀
基督教的, 我又吾想佢讀多一科BIBLE

以前, 我家姐, 讀基督教學校(中學), 見佢讀BIBLE 讀到傻, 連會考都要考BIBLE

依家已經甘多SUBJECT, 無謂, 要佢地兼多一科, 如果要的話, 帶佢返教會主日學還好

P.S. 我細個住中西區, 讀過救恩.......

作者: invitation 時間: 11-11-3 10:08 標題: 回復 58# Nique 的帖子

Totally agree

qte
Nique:完全同意Redkoni所講, 如果淨睇派位來選校, 咁唔好選救恩啦, 我果區都大把啦, 仲唔洗錢添, 仲唔洗山長水遠來添, 好多人講話選學校要選合乎自己教學理念, 我初時好迷失, 其實好多學校我都唔知佢地有咩教學理念, 而家叫做有少少認識, 就係大部份學校的教學理念就係成績, 成績再成績, 根本選A同選B分別不大, 好開心原來仲有選擇, 亦好開心學校收左我個細路, 一間學校要成功, 一定要家長同學校配合, 有相信想法, 成件事先辦得成, 所以大家真係要諗清楚自己要的咩.
unqte

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作者: jj_bb 時間: 11-11-3 10:20

原帖由 CrabPincers 於 11-11-3 09:52 發表

我自己係基督徒
但從來無諗過, 亦無打算, 兼最好避開有宗教背景的學校(個人意向, 有索教的人吾好圍我)

吾係基督教的, 我吾想佢讀
基督教的, 我又吾想佢讀多一科BIBLE

以前, 我家姐, 讀基督教學校(中學), 見佢讀 ...

嘩..原來你係舊生... :>

吾係基督教的, 我吾想佢讀. => 我都係....:>
基督教的, 我又吾想佢讀多一科BIBLE =>
係喎...原來有另一種考慮...多一科 :>

作者: smartcash 時間: 11-11-3 10:58

I think you need to consider which teaching format is suitable to your kid.
If the kid is more pro-active, always ask questions, etc, then he is more suitable for "Activity Learning".
If the kid is relatively passive, he likes to follow instruction instead of pro-actively asking questions, then I think "Traditional" will be more suitiable.
And I think you don't need to worry about the secondary stage if he has a good studing in primary.

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