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標題: Think Int'l KT (九龍塘朗思) 48人一班的「小」班教學 [打印本頁]

作者: gtgy 時間: 11-8-19 01:30 標題: Think Int'l KT (九龍塘朗思) 48人一班的「小」班教學

Think International Kindergarten (Lincoln Road campus) puts 48 pre-nursery students in one classroom, which totally violates the School's "Small class size policy". I would say it is not value for money for the monthly tuition fee of HKD4,500 from the parent's point of view. Since the School has never communicated this high number of students to classroom ratio information to the parents, some parents are aware of this terrible situation up until the second week after the school year starts, parents are so surprised to find out that 48 students are housed in one classroom which in my opinion cannot provide sufficient space and comfortable environment for the students to learn and play. Does anyone here in the forum come across similar situation and advise how the parents can influence the School or the Authority to improve the situation? Thanks a lot!

[ 本帖最後由 gtgy 於 11-8-19 14:36 編輯 ]

作者: lumcmk 時間: 11-8-19 12:52

can you advise how large is the classroom ? is it much bigger than the normal one ???

besides, how many teacher / assistant for this class ??

48 - that's really ridiculous !

作者: didia 時間: 11-8-19 13:57

我一樣都唔係好滿意學校安排,但我個仔係麗港城think,雖然係小班10個人一班,分2個老師,但唔明點解分男仔一組(5個),女仔一組(5個),點解唔係男女平均分配,加上老師係interview加開放日個日從未見過,年紀比較大,校長是否覺得她經驗豐富d照顧小朋友會好d?

作者: karaqueenie 時間: 11-8-19 14:20

我係UN班家長, 即K1, 一個課室大約有4張桌, "田"字型排列得好密的, 課室大約300尺, 仲要放教具, 而家仲係適應期, 舊生仲未返學, 課室先至ARM ARM好夠用, 遲D舊生返埋, 我都唔知佢地點收科, 新校又無音樂室, 又無圖書室, 成日屈響一間課室, 又無雨天體場, 真係叫"百無", 究竟可以點同學校反映呢?

我覺得呢個TOPIC放埋響"幼稚園版" & "朗思國際學枚" 版會仲多D人留意

原帖由 lumcmk 於 11-8-19 12:52 發表
can you advise how large is the classroom ? is it much bigger than the normal one ???

besides, how many teacher / assistant for this class ??

48 - that's really ridiculous !

作者: gtgy 時間: 11-8-19 14:22

Hi lumcmk,

I am not an architect and did not do actual measurement, I would say the net area of the classroom is approximately 300-350 sq ft by vision.

There are like 6-7 teachers/assistants for these 48 students so that there can be more than over 50 people in the classroom at one time.

Everyone can use their own common sense to judge if the School is reasonable or not and execute to the benefits of the students or the School itself.

gtgy

原帖由 lumcmk 於 11-8-19 12:52 發表
can you advise how large is the classroom ? is it much bigger than the normal one ???

besides, how many teacher / assistant for this class ??

48 - that's really ridiculous !

[ 本帖最後由 gtgy 於 11-8-19 14:27 編輯 ]

作者: gtgy 時間: 11-8-19 15:05

It is understood that Pre-nursery class will keep on taking up some more students who were born in September, October, November and December 2009 in the coming months.

原帖由 karaqueenie 於 11-8-19 14:20 發表
我係UN班家長, 即K1, 一個課室大約有4張桌, "田"字型排列得好密的, 課室大約300尺, 仲要放教具, 而家仲係適應期, 舊生仲未返學, 課室先至ARM ARM好夠用, 遲D舊生返埋, 我都唔知佢地點收科, 新校又無音樂室, 又無圖書 ...

作者: yee79 時間: 11-8-19 15:30

48人一班, 係咪要去教育局反應下!!

作者: gtgy 時間: 11-8-19 15:39

Hi yee79,

The School will defend that teacher to students ratio is below 12:1 for pre-nursery class, which does not violate the rule and regulation of Education Bureau since students can move around to other special purpose classroom such as music room or art room (if any) or outdoor playground. As such, there is probably no such classroom to students ratio regulation.

This is the grey area that the School take advantage of the parents and students in my opinion.

For sure, Education Bureau will send some officer to the School for inspection sooner or later. Let's see.

gtgy

原帖由 yee79 於 11-8-19 15:30 發表
48人一班, 係咪要去教育局反應下!!

[ 本帖最後由 gtgy 於 11-8-19 15:47 編輯 ]

作者: karaqueenie 時間: 11-8-19 15:45

叫小朋友"走鬼", 受害人咪又係我地D小朋友!

作者: karaqueenie 時間: 11-8-19 15:48

忽發其想, 佢地排洗時間可能都幾"壯觀, 條龍可能好長

作者: hobby 時間: 11-8-19 16:11

I am really worry now ... as my daughter will start her class in the coming Dec ...
If it's the case, the small b might not be able to start ne ... just like the case in KM a few year ago.

作者: hobby 時間: 11-8-19 16:13

原帖由 gtgy 於 11-8-19 15:39 發表
Hi yee79,

The School will defend that teacher to students ratio is below 12:1 for pre-nursery class, which does not violate the rule and regulation of Education Bureau since students can move around ...

Hi gtgy,
May I know if someone report to the case to the Authority already?

作者: gtgy 時間: 11-8-19 16:22

Hi hobby,

I believe some parents have already reported to the Authority recently. As you know, Education Bureau reponds and takes action very EFFICIENTLY (??) as usual under the leadership of Mr. Sun Ming Yeung.

I should say your concern is not whether your kid is able to join the school but when your kid joins the school if she is treated with good care by the school with at least good hardware (classroom environment), not mentioning the software (the teachers).

gtgy

原帖由 hobby 於 11-8-19 16:13 發表

Hi gtgy,
May I know if someone report to the case to the Authority already?

[ 本帖最後由 gtgy 於 11-8-19 16:26 編輯 ]

作者: hobby 時間: 11-8-19 16:52

原帖由 gtgy 於 11-8-19 16:22 發表
Hi hobby,

I believe some parents have already reported to the Authority recently. As you know, Education Bureau reponds and takes action very EFFICIENTLY (??) as usual under the leadership of Mr. Su ...

Thanks, you are correct. For me, I really don't want to have so-called "small class", it's really out of my expectation. I'd given up my 1st choice as it's too away from my home ... and now, I really don't know if I should full pay the 3rd choice in Sept. Maybe I'm still lucky enough as my 3rd choice doesn't ask for the full payment yet ... the worst case is I lost the $6xxx paid to THINK.

Thanks God, as I just received phone call from 1 PN to have interview in the coming Sep as there will be vacancy in Nov / Jan

作者: hobby 時間: 11-8-19 17:20

我打電話問過教育局, 幼稚園&幼兒園係2樣嘢, 幼稚園個license係未得, 唔可以開學; 幼兒園個license就幫我check 緊, check完會覆返我, 希望快啲搞清楚la

教育署註冊部 - 幼稚園: 28926335
教育署註冊部 - 幼兒園: 31072197

因為我個小朋友仲未開學, 所以我所report 只係流言, 我相信佢哋都唔可以幫我follow任何嘢, 如果有讀緊幼兒班家長打電話去查詢會比較適宜, 因為可講到真實情況, 我希望有家長可以幫幫手

作者: hobby 時間: 11-8-19 18:06

收到最新消息, 經過無限轉線, 打咗唔知幾多個number, 我終於都可以同九龍區教育服務署主任通過電話, 主任第一句同我講: "我勸你唔好俾個小朋友係度返學 ..."
主任答, 學校係未完成註冊嘅; 我再問, 係幼稚園定係幼兒園部, 主任答, 2邊都未, 唔可以開學, 主任仲答, 我唔係第一個家長打電話去, 佢亦再係半個小時之前, 同註冊組confirm過, 朗思(林肯道校舍)係未完成註冊, 主任仲叫我, 叫學校退$$, 或要求轉去其他分校, 佢仲問我, 你唔知間學校未完成註冊都報? 我答, 報名, interview, 到俾$$, 學校都冇講過 ... 我真係唔明, 點解辨學機構都搞成咁!!! 我覺得幼兒班還不一定要讀, 但k1 或以上, 依家都開學, 叫人點轉校?? 我諗(我個人意見), 唔知學校會唔會搬返界限街用舊校舍呢?

作者: Cindyjasper 時間: 11-8-19 21:43

原帖由 karaqueenie 於 11-8-19 15:48 發表
忽發其想, 佢地排洗時間可能都幾"壯觀, 條龍可能好長

完全係浪費時間去厠所, 48人一齊去厠所你估要幾耐, 仲要係咁細嘅小朋友, 俾咁貴學費就係學排隊去厠所??

作者: littlecook 時間: 11-8-19 22:50

This is not true. EDB has set rule concerning classroom size and capacity. I've posted the info in '
談幼稚園', and paste it here now:

除左按師生比例外,亦有課室既嚴格規限,課室大小會影響該課室可容納學生人數,連鮮風量同照明都有嚴格限制!

http://www.edb.gov.hk/FileManager/TC/Content_1978/app7-health-chi-non(may%202011).pdf P48-49

“如學校的房產原本並非設計及建造作學校用途，但主管當局認為就本條例第12條而言，在顧及該學校房產在設計及建造上的負荷量後，該房產適合作學校用途，則該校舍內每間課室均須…
C.根據教育局的建議，全日制幼稚園課室內每名學生應有不少於1.8平方米的樓面空間。”

48人一個課室,合唔合條例真係要度過計過先知!

原帖由 gtgy 於 11-8-19 15:39 發表
Hi yee79,

The School will defend that teacher to students ratio is below 12:1 for pre-nursery class, which does not violate the rule and regulation of Education Bureau since students can move around ...

作者: karaqueenie 時間: 11-8-19 23:20

我都有打去問過，如果學校有完成註冊先至會有果張"容額証明書“（即每個班房可容學生的數目），根本學校都未註冊，又點會有呢張cert比學校呢

作者: karaqueenie 時間: 11-8-19 23:52

一眾朗思的受害者，我地再繼續討論落去都無用，學校未註冊及超額收生，全部都係一個事實，下一步，不如大家想下方法令ＴＨＩＮＫ給我們一個合理的交代，好嗎？

作者: weddingkk 時間: 11-8-20 14:11

did anyone of parents here attend the so-called 'clarification' session last week held at school by ad hoc?

作者: hobby 時間: 11-8-20 18:17

原帖由 weddingkk 於 11-8-20 14:11 發表
did anyone of parents here attend the so-called 'clarification' session last week held at school by ad hoc?

請問是什麼SECTION? 因為我冇收過通知? 可能因為細B未開學

作者: karaqueenie 時間: 11-8-20 22:03

UN 班無呢個 clarif 的 talk WOR, 講咩架？

作者: weddingkk 時間: 11-8-20 23:50

as there's noice from parents on the "small" group arrangement of the LN class (which they expressed to teachers at the time during the 'transition' period, the school pickup time), there's a 2 hour discussion of the school representatives and concerned parents in a classroom to clarify the 'floating' class arrangement for the LN class.

作者: hobby 時間: 11-8-21 07:48

anyone receive the message and will attend the section with principal today from 1:15 - 2:00 pm (21/8)?

作者: 譚譚珠珠 時間: 11-8-21 14:40

我係林肯道LN班的媽媽,昨晚收到手機MESSGAE話今日有briefing都唔明咩事....現在上BK先知咁大獲
其實姐姐有同我講有好多小朋友响同一班課室...今個星期我送亞仔返學都發現有2X個小朋友在課室...問過班主任話有2組x12小朋友在課室.....所以以為係正常.如果真係40多個小朋友.....我唔會接受要比$4500學費.

上年interview時問過學校係小班教學先join...
明天返學校問清楚再上BK update

作者: iloveu3939 時間: 11-8-22 00:52

我都係LN媽咪，但係收唔到message話有breifing.... 好擔心呀！！
btw, 我問過學校，佢地連書單，上課時間表都無！
點算？！

作者: hobby 時間: 11-8-22 09:43

我有出席昨日的clarification / q&a session.
有以下information可以俾大家參考:
1. 校長confirm未完成註冊 - 但有信心好快會settle
2. 在收到敎局要求林肯道校舍停止辦開之前,一切如常
- 但若收要要求, 有以下options:
a. 暫時轉到其他分校上堂
b. 以playground形式上, 如分8:30 - 10:30 & 10:30 - 12: 30; 因為小朋友己足2歲, 不用家長陪同上課亦可, 會按上課時數收費, 約2/3學費
c. 但若以playground形式都不允許, 會停課
d. 假如家長對學校真的沒有信心, 可以退回8月學費,
3. 未完成消防檢查, 校長相信問題不大, 會再follow up
4. LN班房會在早上(小朋友放書包)及放學之前有48個小朋友, 其他時間因個timetable唔同, 只有24個小朋友用一個大課室, 其他小朋友可能會在其他課室上堂, 戶外操場遊玩
5. 因工程關係,10月會停課1星期
6. 所有其他工程, 如加申縮帳篷, 滑梯等, 12月或以前會完成
大家請注意, 以上全是本人聽到內容之後的結論, 或與真實內容有所出入, 本人亦對之前所發的言論, 令家長有所擔憂, 以及引至各樣不便, 深感歉意, 煩請家長親自打電話到學校或有關各局查詢, 以得到確實資訊, 謝謝.

作者: 9284 時間: 11-8-22 10:54

1. 校長又唔係響教署做, 點解佢咁sure人地一定好快可以完成註冊呢, 校長當務之急反而係settle你地一眾家長多d
2. options:
a. 暫時轉到其他分校上堂......人地馬安山分校家長都話佢地都已經48人一班啦, 仲點安排去其他分校呀?
b. 根本教育署都唔建議小朋友返一間未註冊完成的學校, 唔通playground形式就會接受?又話按上課時數收費, 根本而家parents就唔係關心$的問題, 返得呢d私立學校就預左洗錢,
c. 停左課的話, 幾時開返?無人知, 政府果d文件, 分分鐘拖你三五七個月又唔定, 一年半載又唔定
d. 退學反而對2歲班係好事, 一來唔洗再擔心健康問題, 二來因為2歲根本上係可讀可唔讀, 但係3-6歲果d就真係慘d, 人地間間kg都開哂學, 你叫人轉去邊?
3. 未完成消防檢查, 校長相信問題不大, 會再follow up......學校真係火災, 有無買保險先?
4. LN班房會在早上(小朋友放書包)及放學之前有48個小朋友, 其他時間因個timetable唔同, 只有24個小朋友用一個大課室, 其他小朋友可能會在其他課室上堂, 戶外操場遊玩.........我淨係覺得, 得個"亂"字
5. 因工程關係,10月會停課1星期.....咁11月, 12月, 1月又停唔停呀?10月果個星期又收唔收學費先?
6. 所有其他工程, 如加申縮帳篷, 滑梯等, 12月或以前會完成......如果12月教育署都未批呢?咁裝唔裝架?

作者: hobby 時間: 11-8-22 11:22

原帖由 9284 於 11-8-22 10:54 發表
1. 校長又唔係響教署做, 點解佢咁sure人地一定好快可以完成註冊呢, 校長當務之急反而係settle你地一眾家長多d
2. options:
a. 暫時轉到其他分校上堂......人地馬安山分校家長都話佢地都已經48人一班啦, 仲點安排去其 ...

其實聽咗昨日個section, 我己經有自己的答案, 我唔想講咁多personal feeling 因為 ... 如果真係俾人"舉報",我怕以後都唔可留message; 我相信有/冇聽的家長都會有答案

作者: 大白豬 時間: 11-8-23 09:38

之前仲諗住幫囡囡報下年n1, 而家唔駛諗.

作者: karaqueenie 時間: 11-8-23 09:46

不如呢個topic全部group番去"幼稚園版"繼續傾, 因為果邊好似多人reply d

http://forum.edu-kingdom.com/vie ... page%3D1&page=1

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