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標題: From EMI vs CMI to PDCA [打印本頁]
作者: ANChan59    時間: 11-7-14 15:20     標題: From EMI vs CMI to PDCA

In a previous post initiated by samuel89 related to EMI vs CMI schools, I shared some experience and some parents would like me to share how to use PDCA, an Quality Management concept to guide my son through the learning process. I promised to do that and just initiate a new post to share some pilot experience.

I also copy my sharings and parents may easy to follow through:


It's very difficult to strike a balance between Chinese and English proficiency, no one can replace the parents' critical role; unconditional love, family relationship and open communication within the family are the key elements.

I support CMI in kindergarten and primary, but we need to provide a regular English speaking environment for him, not purely grammar stuff. I will use language programs as enrichment programs more than academic excellence.

My son finished G1-6 EPGY Maths at P2 level. From G7 onward, his local CMI School’s English standard can't support him to study higher level Maths. So he stopped one year in Maths and focused on English so that he could continue the EPGY program at P4. "Start and stop" is very difficult for us and the boy (He may think he was under average, eventually, he was well advance.), be sensitive and need to explain to him in details..... He also told us to take CMI secondary school instead of EMI, then we arranged two holidays in English and PTH speaking countries, his first hand experience reminded him that he needed to master both.

After he can manage both Chinese and English at certain standards, he started to learn PTH. The teacher was from Beijing and I appreciated her methodology, activity-based and also focused on writing skills training. But she didn’t take students older than 10......... (No need to ask or pm me, she quitted and just as simple house wife, referred by a friend.)

When he got into an elite secondary school, he became mediocre. He struggled a bit, we didn't offer any help until he made up his mind to do IBDP. He took English writing remedial class and some class more examination-oriented to improve his chance to take IB. It's tough, now we can see his positive progress in bilingual program.

It's not easy, but we love our kids, relationship and communication are the fundamentals to nurture a great kid.

May be some parents will say also financial resources and parents' academic standard...... Some programs are free of charge........

You may ask the follow up question, how do we know his standard compare with other kids?

Of course, we shared among groups of friends in business circles and in church. We picked up some great ideas from more knowledgeable parents and we studied and sourced around different programs in HK and overseas. We also encourage our boy to sit for international examinations in both English and Maths, not to show-off here, more for benchmarking. Reality check the medium fish in the ocean........ (I guess our kids' destination is ocean not the ponds.)

My personal reflection on HK educational system is..... When our dear educational official told us to move forward 3 steps, I will stop immediately and look around and may left or right turn with 1 step back....... Sorry not social dance, that what I am doing now. Not funny,

In conclusion, no fast track, no right or wrong, but needs trial and error type of approach.




[ 本帖最後由 ANChan59 於 11-7-14 17:33 編輯 ]
作者: ANChan59    時間: 11-7-14 15:22

回覆 15# stccmc 的文章

If you can do it again, would you do it differently in terms of bilingual capabilities?

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stccmc

My friend, you always ask tough and reviewing question. Force me to re-think and learn from my past decision , past mistakes and approach.

Give me 24 hrs to rethink and come back to you. May be here or pm you.

ANChan59

Reply to stccmc


stccmc

My simple answer is yes, I will follow most of my current approach, not purely bilingual capability, I will add back another critical element - Gifted Education that I shared not much in Education Policy sub-forum, I can't see anyone can replace our roles to face those difficulties.

Background

During pregnancy, our doctor suspected our boy may have Down's syndrome. Before 2.5 years old, he couldn't speak more than single word. After diagnosis, the pediatrics professor identified him as slow learner........... He advised us some options and I started my journey to search, mix-and-match treatment and special education for my son.

During the exploration stage, I knew that gifted and slow learner educations are twins, under similar category. Around 4.5, a sister in Christ reminded us that he may not be slow learner, may be a gifted kid in numbers, logic, reasoning, memory....... He started EPGY at K3 and completed G1-4 in 13 months....... He was confirmed as gifted (IQ 130+) at 7.5 years old.

Along the line, we focused on Christian kindergarten and primary school; we expected a more caring environment for a slow learner...... DBSPD, SPCCPD are all out of our radar........

We are very lucky to have an excellent psychologist guided us through most of the process. How to understand a gifted kid? How to source programs locally and internationally to fit his potential? His hidden physical limitation, like flat feet, writing problem etc........ She introduced us to some NGOs for treatments, as he was very young, 1~2 years to solve those limitations, so that he can enjoy sports and musical instruments afterward.....

From 2.5 to 11 years old, we use Plan - Do - Check - Act to guide him through the process. (PDCA in quality management concept and methodology, I borrow that for my kid's development.) That's why some parents wondered how come a father knows his son so well.........

Bilingual Education

I support "兩文三語", but not just rely on the school. My observation is school mainly for mediocre, can't handle top and bottom 3~5% students (I understand teachers limitations: resources, classroom discipline and administrative works....). If my boy falls in anyone of the two categories, I need to do it by myself to support my son. So you may understand the rationale behind why and how I fine-tuned his language ability (Cantonese, English, and PTH) from time to time by using external resources, also using PDCA.

Now, DSS provides more options for parents, most of them are good schools. Not great, because of sound concept or vision, no or limited track records in academic and ECA....... (Personally, I prefer blue chips and not conceptual stocks ......)

He studies in an elite DSS school, that's not my choice, but his choice. He struggled, survived, mature, excel..... I am not sure it's by luck or heritage, the school has their own way to nurture great kids, that's I am not fully understand. (Some picky parents may argue one or two boys committed minor crimes before ……)  

When we talked about LS, they provided assembly on a weekly basis, they invited public figures or influential people to make speeches on wide range of topics, politics, public administration, education, religions, current affairs ...... they can ask tough questions, challenge the guests........ Even political incorrect to invite Uncle Wah for speech before June Fourth 20th anniversary in 2009......

stccmc, sorry, I can't answer your question precisely and may be side track too much. But your question reminds me that I may make a right choice to be a responsible father and partnership with my dear wife to walk through a tough but rewarding journey together.

ANChan59

[ 本帖最後由 ANChan59 於 11-7-14 17:39 編輯 ]
作者: ANChan59    時間: 11-7-14 15:24

ANChan59,

It is a great sharing, whether or not that answered my question.  It does not matter. Thank you very much.  

Your journey from slow learner to gifted greatness is anything but typical.   It seems all great kids have dedicated and wise parents.

I also agree with you on schools inability to care for high flyers and bottom dwellers. I am nit as optimistics as top and bottom 5% though. I think it is more like 10 to 20%.

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你的分享讓我聯想起另一位聰明仔爸爸。 他的兒子出生時體弱多病，夫妻倆人花了大量時間/精力培養小朋友。 一個小朋友可以健康愉快成長，除了要有個好媽媽，好爸爸的功勞一定不小。

我第一次見識到有人將 quality management 的原理套用到兒女的教育上，不知你可否舉些親身經歷， 讓我可以偷偷師？

先謝。

Sumyeema1
作者: ANChan59    時間: 11-7-14 15:30     標題: PDCA example 1

PDCA is a quality improvement cycle proposed by Dr Edward Deming, who was a statistician and not doing well in USA and moved to Japan after WWII. His 14 rules and PDCA are the driving force to transform the quality of Japanese products.

If you want to know more about the basic concept, you can do keyword search in wiki.

As promise, I show the example of my son's university admission as the quality goal.

Plan

Begin with the end in mind, our target is university admission and aim at professional programs. We follow school's advice 2-4-2, first two are dream universities, four are very good and the second two as back up..... He doesn't complete the list yet.

Base on the program, he needs to identify the standard of compulsory subjects and the score for interview or admission. Some program may have special requirements, he needs to highlight and adjust his choice of subjects.

　


Chosen Subjects

HL Maths

HL Chem

HL Phy

SL Econ

SL Eng

SL Chin

Overall Score

Remarks

Target University

Field of Study

　


　


　


　


　


　


　


　


Cambridge

Medicine

7

7

7

　


7

　


41-45

　

Trinity

12:1

HKU

Medicine

7

7

　


5+

5+

40-42

exclude 3 bonus

10:1

non-Jupas

CUHK

Medicine

7

7

　


5+

5+

40-42

HKUST

Global Business

　


　


　


　


　


　


38-45

　


CUHK

Quantitative Finance

7

　


　


　


　


38-45

　


LSE

Economics

7

6

6

　


　


38-45

20:1

no interview


Check

Base on results, we can benchmark with the university requirements and evaluate the progres is improved or declined. Identify the difficulties or challenges for some subjects, if he can't identify it, it's difficult to improve.

Pre-IB

Subjects

Maths

Chem

Phy

Econ

Eng

Chin

History

1st Term

Results

7

7

6

6

5

5

5

2nd Term

Results

7

7

6

5

6

5

6



Progress1. Maths, Chemistry and Physics are upto expectation
2. Economics not perform very well in final exam paper
3. English has significant improvement in IOP
4. Chinese still the weakest link
                          
Act

Base on the evaluation/check, he needs to come up improvement actions to address his weakness, expand his scope or plan ahead......


Course of Action1. Attend SAT camp in summer
2. Attend Chinese writing course in summer
3. Discuss with teacher how to improve the Physics grade from 6 to 7
4. Cut the on-line time and more focus in class
5. Start to plan EE and TOK - initial research on the tentative topics
6. Integrate CAS with career exposure to save time


Repeat the cycle every 5-6 months and initiate corrective action toward the ultimate goal......

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This method similar to Performance Planning exercise in HR etc., you can mix and match with other method. Share with us here......

[ 本帖最後由 ANChan59 於 11-7-16 12:14 編輯 ]
作者: Christi    時間: 11-7-14 15:32

消化消化吓先...

想問吓:
1)你仔仔對製訂那個PDCA的參與程度?
2)你仔仔7.5歲時做了IQ test,那時/或者之前,你們有沒有跟他說說他的情況?

[ 本帖最後由 Christi 於 11-7-14 16:04 編輯 ]
作者: Sumyeema1    時間: 11-7-14 16:20     標題: 回復 4# ANChan59 的帖子

Thanks ANChan59, 以為你事忙， 要等一排先會有答案。

等我 google 一下 basic concept.

再次感謝你的無私分享。
作者: ANChan59    時間: 11-7-14 16:46

原帖由 Christi 於 11-7-14 15:32 發表
消化消化吓先...

想問吓:

1)你仔仔對製訂那個PDCA的參與程度? (For this case, he is heavily involved and need to do his search from websites, he also sent email to admission offices to clarify some entry requirements, attended admission talks in local and overseas universities and discussed with old boys graduated from targeted universities. His school encourages boys to attend admission talks, organise University Day, and also join the mentorship program. From 4-11, we did most researches and shared with him, sometimes he disagreed and not cooperate with us. At the end, he followed our suggestions based on trust and our unconditional love.)

2)你仔仔7.5歲時做了IQ test,那時/或者之前,你們有沒有跟他說說他的情況? (No we didn't.....   )

[ 本帖最後由 ANChan59 於 11-7-15 10:27 編輯 ]
作者: Christi    時間: 11-7-14 22:30     標題: 回復 7# ANChan59 的帖子

好,謝過.

我相信由你兒子0-7歲,到7.5歲之後,你們經歷了不少.促成我問你第2個問題的原因,是從你片言隻語對你仔仔的描述,我覺得他為人的鬥心頗強.我想知道怎樣教出一個有鬥心的小朋友.

我起初以為,7.5歲或之後,他至少知道自己是gifted/高IQ,鬥心由此而起.原來不是,你們沒有告訴他.那,你們又是如何教/培育的呢(如果我的感覺沒錯的話)?

因為,我覺得小朋友若有self esteem和鬥心(不論贏自己或者贏別人),真是一種福氣.做父母的也比較能夠放開雙手讓他們去跌碰.

至於第一個問題,其實那個PDCA雖有只得幾個數字幾行文字,但如果是認真對待的話,背後要做的資料搜集/整理的功夫著實不少,對自己的了解更絕不可少.一個中學生,對於老父的柯打,能好頭好尾做好這個PDCA的要求,只能說一句:佩服你們的家教.
作者: ANChan59    時間: 11-7-14 23:48     標題: 回復 8# Christi 的帖子

我起初以為,7.5歲或之後,他至少知道自己是gifted/高IQ,鬥心由此而起.原來不是,你們沒有告訴他.那,你們又是如何教/培育的呢(如果我的感覺沒錯的話)?

He knows he was gifted but doesn't know his slow learner problems etc. 鬥心 is by his own motivation, pretty strong in primary school and need adjustment before P5.

In G7-8, his 鬥心 declined as compare with so many elites in the school. His  鬥心 is strengthed as he did extremely well in G9 final examination and he can get in IB stream.

[ 本帖最後由 ANChan59 於 11-7-15 10:06 編輯 ]
作者: mattsmum    時間: 11-7-19 07:19     標題: 回復 6# ANChan59 的帖子

謝謝分享
作者: ANChan59    時間: 11-11-8 12:41     標題: 回覆 9# ANChan59 的文章

Christi

In recent months, we spent more time with him, we chatted and discovered more with him.

His stamina comes from small success, he did something right, the positive reinforcement strengthen it. We act more as listener, he complained about workload....... just listen and show sympathy, he will move on.......

He feels much better in IB as most teachers are from overseas, they are more supportive and encourage them to excel. His direction is very clear and he downgrade physics to SL now, instead of end of 1st year.

ANChan59
作者: Christi    時間: 11-11-8 13:43

ANChan59,

早幾日看雜誌訪問一位14歲參加渡海泳的男孩,他說自己很迷戀'超越自己'的滋味. well...我在想,孩子在什麼情況下能夠懂得'迷戀超越自己'?

我猜除了點點滴滴的成功累積起來能令孩子的後勁不斷增大之外,整個環境(包括父母的comfort,老師的欣賞)也很重要.外籍老師有時側重的角度真的和我們不同,可能是因為他們是來自另一文化,沒有我們文化的框框(well...當然有他們文化的框框).像早前學校的家長日,教我囡的外籍老師唯一給我囡的評價,就是她的英文底子很好,但性格'a bit too serious,not silly enough.' 中文老師從來不會這樣說...但這很好,我會記住這話,會想多幾想.


原帖由 ANChan59 於 11-11-8 12:41 發表
Christi

In recent months, we spent more time with him, we chatted and discovered more with him.

His stamina comes from small success, he did something right, the positive reinforcement strengthen it ...
作者: ANChan59    時間: 11-11-8 14:47     標題: 回覆 12# Christi 的文章

Yes, we should enjoy their development from kids to teenagers.

I felt he clicked in recent months, he will be fine in coming years.

He is taller than I, he treats me as friend, we chat about music, smartphones, notebook, AV systems, facebook, using paypal to do trading with overseas account etc.

Not my baby anymore.
作者: samuel89    時間: 11-11-9 11:09

原帖由 Christi 於 11-11-8 13:43 發表
ANChan59,

早幾日看雜誌訪問一位14歲參加渡海泳的男孩,他說自己很迷戀'超越自己'的滋味. well...我在想,孩子在什麼情況下能夠懂得'迷戀超越自己'?

我猜除了點點滴滴的成功累積起來能令孩子的後勁不斷增大之外,整 ...


通常孩子在"遇強愈強"的情況下便開始懂得'迷戀超越自己'......但我覺得最難得的是"屢戰屢敗"但又"屢敗屢戰"而且能終極勝利的孩子, 不過這類孩子萬中無一.......
作者: motherotk    時間: 11-11-9 11:18

Totally agree, you have some "tips" for that?


原帖由 samuel89 於 11-11-9 11:09 發表


通常孩子在"遇強愈強"的情況下便開始懂得'迷戀超越自己'......但我覺得最難得的是"屢戰屢敗"但又"屢敗屢戰"而且能終極勝利的孩子, 不過這類孩子萬中無一....... ...
作者: samuel89    時間: 11-11-9 11:59

原帖由 motherotk 於 11-11-9 11:18 發表
Totally agree, you have some "tips" for that?


要孩子能明白將目標放在終極勝利,我都冇本事解釋得明俾阿仔聽........所以我將終極目標"打散", 甚至變成好似恆生指數既"浮動"目標(講衰d其實即系冇目標) , 不過我就講到明達唔達標系阿仔自己既責任, 我既責任只系做下"阿四"or"啦啦隊"支持佢......
作者: motherotk    時間: 11-11-9 15:37

wonderful dad!

原帖由 samuel89 於 11-11-9 11:59 發表


要孩子能明白將目標放在終極勝利,我都冇本事解釋得明俾阿仔聽........所以我將終極目標"打散", 甚至變成好似恆生指數既"浮動"目標(講衰d其實即系冇目標) , 不過我就講到明達唔達標系阿仔自己既責任, 我既責 ...
作者: Annie123    時間: 11-11-9 16:05

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作者: slamai    時間: 11-11-9 16:22

Yes, 終極目標 and 終極勝利 are what matters.  According to these long term goals, mid and short term goals are formulated and, if required, strategies adjusted as driven by intermediate outcomes.

原帖由 samuel89 於 11-11-9 11:59 發表


要孩子能明白將目標放在終極勝利,我都冇本事解釋得明俾阿仔聽........所以我將終極目標"打散", 甚至變成好似恆生指數既"浮動"目標(講衰d其實即系冇目標) , 不過我就講到明達唔達標系阿仔自己既責任, 我既責 ...
作者: ANChan59    時間: 11-11-9 16:55

原帖由 motherotk 於 11-11-9 15:37 發表
wonderful dad!


We are all wonderful parents, if not we are not here to support and share with other parents.....

作者: Christi    時間: 11-11-9 22:59

受訪男孩是用這個例子來闡述"迷戀超越自己"這點:

"去年我代表學校出戰學界比賽,初賽時得第七名,僅僅取得晉級資格,令我非常緊張;之後我抽很多時間練習,終於在兩個月後的決賽中突破自己,成績比初賽快了一秒多,跳成為第三名,那次真的很開心!"

"他爸爸認為,游泳給兒子的不僅是獎牌,還有精神財富.游水能助他磨練意志和調整心態,他經歷過游水的低潮期,達不到教練要求或比賽成績不理想時,都學會面對,也學會面對日後的人生."



原帖由 samuel89 於 11-11-9 11:09 發表


通常孩子在"遇強愈強"的情況下便開始懂得'迷戀超越自己'......但我覺得最難得的是"屢戰屢敗"但又"屢敗屢戰"而且能終極勝利的孩子, 不過這類孩子萬中無一....... ...
作者: Christi    時間: 11-11-9 23:13

光陰飛逝啊,似有懷愐之意呢...!


原帖由 ANChan59 於 11-11-8 14:47 發表
...He is taller than I, he treats me as friend, we chat about music, smartphones, notebook, AV systems, facebook, using paypal to do trading with overseas account etc.

Not my baby anymore.
作者: awah112    時間: 11-11-9 23:23

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作者: ANChan59    時間: 11-11-9 23:25

原帖由 Christi 於 11-11-9 23:13 發表
光陰飛逝啊,似有懷愐之意呢...!


Yes, time flies......
作者: ANChan59    時間: 11-11-30 11:46

I was sick for a couple of days and stayed home for recovery...... Haven't sick for a year and two, total collapsed this time.....

Spent more time at home and observed my son's preparation for the coming internal examination. His preparation started much earlier than previous examinations, he finished most comfortable subjects like Maths, Chemistry, Economics and Physics in descending order..... he told me that both languages are based on continuous development and exercises, no need to prepare .......

He followed the data/formula book closely to ensure what he should memorize before exam....... I can see his examination tactics.

We went out to buy stationery for examination last night, his selection has some rationale behind...... I enjoy watching what and why he does something.....

He has a major problem in Maths, he knows the answer easily, but difficult to present all steps for some type of questions, for a 8 points questions, the answer may only account for 2........ yesterday, he spent hours to write steps and seek for my comments how to score most from min steps.... In the evening, he shared with me his tactics in Maths exam, which part first and then..... timing..... accuracy..... As time will be extremely tight, he will take most questions with reasonable and obvious steps and then questions for more steps.

I asked him in that case you may lost some marks in exam. His answer is....

Have a guess of his answer?

[ 本帖最後由 ANChan59 於 11-12-2 11:32 編輯 ]
作者: ALAL    時間: 11-12-7 19:42

萬中無一的好男人


原帖由 ANChan59 於 11-7-14 15:22 發表
回覆 15# stccmc 的文章

If you can do it again, would you do it differently in terms of bilingual capabilities?

************************

stccmc

My friend, you always ask tough and reviewing questio ...
作者: eschung    時間: 11-12-8 22:40

Dear ANCHAN59

Thanks for sharing.  Your son is so lucky to have a wonderful father.  Your story is amazing.
作者: leeleelumlum    時間: 11-12-9 11:31

ANCHAN59,

You really can offer a tuition to the 'C6' (I am referring another topic under primary section), even most of the C9 can't do the same as yours.

Your kids and wife are so lucky and blessed.
作者: ANChan59    時間: 11-12-9 11:54     標題: 回復 29# leeleelumlum 的帖子

Thanks for you, ALAL and eschung flattering comments.

I will consider to run a course for C9 & C6.....

ANChan59
作者: ANChan59    時間: 12-3-13 01:14

In my EK Blog (日誌)，I wrote two blogs related to 如何部署升中? 1-2，they are another example for PDCA. Take a look.
作者: ch1970    時間: 12-3-13 02:24

ANChan59 發表於 11-7-14 15:30
PDCA is a quality improvement cycle proposed by Dr Edward Deming, who was a statistician and not doi ...
Well I think your way of reaching the goals is co-conformational to the rational-choice model. That's good. Your son must have stayed focused on his weakness and developed a relevant action plan to tackle the hurdles, be they the academic  or personal ones.
作者: Yanamami    時間: 12-3-13 08:09

ANChan59,
It's always a pleasure to read your post(s).
作者: ANChan59    時間: 12-3-13 09:35

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Ch1970
Haha, may be you are right. I learnt a new term  in social science (I guess it's correct.)

My knowledge more from management science and quality, I use PDCA  which is more familiar to me. You may also aware my blogs more on causal shadings, I read it again last night and felt it may fit PDCA.

ANChan59
作者: chunyatmama    時間: 12-3-13 11:00

Hi all Daddy and Mommy, its so enjoyable to read your posts.

ANCHAN59, through your posts, I can see daddy's love to the son.  You gave me a very good reminder how to nurture a good kid and how important of the love from the parents.   Though my kids are very young, one at 5 and one at 2.5, a good start and mindset are very important for their development as a whole.

I believe my kids are not elites or genines but I am sure they could be a good boy and good girl and can excel in whatever path they choose as long as my hubby and myself can give them a guidance and let them have a good value system.

Thanks again.
作者: ANChan59    時間: 12-3-14 23:21

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Begin with the end in mind....... You have a good start......
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作者: slamai    時間: 12-3-19 12:29

For young kids, character building comes first. Next is language abilities then follows by knowledge acquisition.  Why? First, this is the Chinese tradition (Confucian) and, second, lesson learnt from our CE election.
chunyatmama 發表於 12-3-13 11:00
Hi all Daddy and Mommy, its so enjoyable to read your posts.

ANCHAN59, through your posts, I can s ...

作者: chunyatmama    時間: 12-3-20 10:28

slamai 發表於 12-3-19 12:29
For young kids, character building comes first. Next is language abilities then follows by knowledge ...

Well said.  Can't agree more.
作者: ANChan59    時間: 12-3-20 10:56

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Agree, character before other attributes....
I like to read Proverbs in the bible, some similarities with Chinese tradition.




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