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作者: miss_watson13 時間: 11-5-9 04:48 標題: From traditional school to international school?
Hi,
My sister studys in a traditional school now. She has applied Harrow Int'l school and she got the offer. However, english is her second language and she speaks cantonese for most of the time. i am afraid that she wont be able to get along with the other student. another problems that raise my awareness is about the curriculum. She will be in form one in 2012 but Harrow offers her the place in year 8, which is equal to form 2. Though i learn that the course in int'l school is not as demanding as in traditional school. Should I let her to study year 8 instead of year 7. my concern is about the language. Are there any parents here can share their experience when their children change the school from traditional school to international school and any issue that i should be aware of?
Thanks very much.
作者: Jackeylwfd 時間: 11-5-9 12:37
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作者: peter_pan 時間: 11-5-9 18:00
Actually, Year 8 in international schools is equivalent to F2 in local schools.
Before 334, Hong Kong system follows the British system, ie 6 years primary school & 7 years secondary school (total 13 years).
Year 1 = P1
Year 2 = P2
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Year 6 = P6
Year 7 = F1
Year 8 = F2
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Year 13 = F7 - then university
Many people are confused because of the fact that British schools (& international schools) start at age 5 wheras HK local schools start at age 6.
That is the reason why some kids manage to jump one year when switching from local to UK / international schools.
The earlier the switch, the easier it is to jump one year.
Jumping from P6 to Year 8 should not be too much of a problem provided the kid's English is good enough.
作者: miss_watson13 時間: 11-5-9 20:15
Thank you very much for the explanation :)
原帖由 peter_pan 於 11-5-9 18:00 發表 
Actually, Year 8 in international schools is equivalent to F2 in local schools.
Before 334, Hong Kong system follows the British system, ie 6 years primary school & 7 years secondary school (total 13 ...
作者: Kareese 時間: 11-5-10 17:35
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作者: peter_pan 時間: 11-5-11 08:47
This is exactly what I said about people being confused by the age of entry to primary school.
If you continue with your extrapolation -
Age 17 = local F6 = Year 13
Age 18 = local F7 = 1st year university
As you can see, international school students enter university one year earlier than local school students and that's why age should not be used to equate the corresponding curriculum level.
Of course, things are going to change now that 334 is upon us and the local system is going to be out of syn with the British system. We will have to wait & see how this is going to affect the acceptance by British universities which provide 3 year courses as opposed to the 4 year courses provided by local universities under the new system.
原帖由 Kareese 於 11-5-10 17:35 發表
I don't know about Harrow Int'l School, but in ESF Schools :
Age 5 = local K3 = Yr 1
Age 6 = local P1 = Yr 2
Age 7 = local P2 = Yr 3
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Age11= local P6 = Yr 7
Age12= Form 1= Yr 8
Age13= Form ...
作者: Jackeylwfd 時間: 11-5-11 10:59
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作者: peter_pan 時間: 11-5-11 12:21 標題: 回覆 7# Jackeylwfd 的文章
I am not pretending to be an expert.
But having gone through the transition from local school to UK school some 30 years ago & having my children gone through the same transition recently, I do know what I am talking about.
Kindergarten years are termed pre-school, ie they do not count towards formal education - so Year 1 & P1 shoule be the respective starting point.
HKAL may be harder than UK A-levels but they are perceived as being at the same level. Have you seen any local school kids going straight into Year 2 of UK universities after F7 in Hong Kong?
In a nutshell, my view is that Hong Kong students enter primary school 1 year late & therefore enter university 1 year late, while your view is that Hong Kong student enter university 1 year late because they study for an extra year at kindergarten.
Anyway, I am not going to get involved in a protracted argument about this topic.
I have stated what I know - whether you agree with me really makes no difference at all!
作者: Jackeylwfd 時間: 11-5-11 13:09
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作者: kaplanmeier 時間: 11-5-11 15:15
原帖由 Jackeylwfd 於 11-5-11 10:59 發表
You are so wrong and don't pretend be an expert in front of me. You yourself are so confused by the curriculum in various places. Study more indepth and understand the differences first before making ...
Excuse me. British curriculum? On the island called Great Britain, there are three countries, namely, Scotland, England and Wales. The Scottish education system offers P1 (for children at age 4) to P7, followed by six years of secondary school and four years of university education. Please, there' s no such thing as a British curriculum, and Great Britian belongs not only to Englishmen.
作者: kaplanmeier 時間: 11-5-11 15:25
原帖由 Jackeylwfd 於 11-5-9 12:37 發表
From you description that your sister got admitted just because Harrow School needs a lot of students to fill up it's places
Jesus Christ! Even Oxbridge accepted so many Cantonese speaking students from what you guys called local schools and so should I imply from this description (is it a description?) that they need a lot of students to fill up? Come on. Give me a break.
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作者: kaplanmeier 時間: 11-5-11 15:52
原帖由 Jackeylwfd 於 11-5-11 15:37 發表
It is so simple that Scotland does not follow the British curriculum and has its own system. If we don't call the system adopted at England and Wales British curriculum, then what should we call it? E ...
Yes, English curriculum and Welsh curriculum, of course.
Yes, sometimes people, especially American, mistakenly include even North Ireland when they use the word "British". But sorry, what is your point? For we Briton, British is of course the adjective for Great Britian (but not the whole UK or only England). Are you an American?
作者: kaplanmeier 時間: 11-5-11 15:59
原帖由 Jackeylwfd 於 11-5-11 15:45 發表
Jesus Christ! What is your point? Do you have any sense?
Whether Oxbridge accept so many Cantonese speaking students is totally irrelevant to the discussion in this thread.
Go to see what miss-wats ...
I'm sorry. I'm totally lost. What are you talking about? I was simply trying to figure out how I could apply your argument to another scenario. Did I say anything about the command of English of Hongkongers, in general or in specific?
作者: Jackeylwfd 時間: 11-5-11 16:01
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作者: kaplanmeier 時間: 11-5-11 16:15
原帖由 Jackeylwfd 於 11-5-11 16:01 發表
Go to Google search then you can find what is British Curriculum.
For example, the following is a comparision between British and Amercian Curriculum.
http://www.bisshanghai.com/index.php/edcuation/ ...
Interesting! We can see how well Englishmen stole the word British. Just like "British English" is in fact "English English", which is obviously different from Scottish English and Welsh English (and Irish English).
However, in formal documents, I see only the term National Curriculum. I don't believe they dare not claim the English curriculum the British curriculum. Correct me if I'm wrong.
作者: Jackeylwfd 時間: 11-5-11 16:21
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作者: kaplanmeier 時間: 11-5-11 16:32
原帖由 Jackeylwfd 於 11-5-11 16:07 發表
You are lost because you don't see clearly what miss_watson13 has written. She concerns on the language ability of her sister becasue her sister is studying in a local school.
On the other hand, in ...
I read it again but I didn't see if her sis's language ability did not meet the requirement of Harrow but still got admitted. Anyone whose first language is not English may have the same concern as her, but why her concern would lead to a judgement of Harrow's standard?
And are you telling me that there are only a handful of good children in Hong Kong so that even Harrow could not get any? You know, Harrowian is an identity, and I would be surprised if it would be for sale.
作者: kaplanmeier 時間: 11-5-11 16:37
原帖由 Jackeylwfd 於 11-5-11 16:21 發表
What is your point in such discussion whether the offical name should be called National Curriculum or British Curriculum?
In the Internet world, British Curriculum is already well used and understoo ...
Sorry, isn't it you who insisted on this discussion? I just pointed out, correctly, that there's no such thing as a British curriculum, which is a very offending term to me. (I am not interested in the distinction among all curricula you mentioned.) I'm definitely more than happy if you stop.
作者: Jackeylwfd 時間: 11-5-11 16:41
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作者: delusionist 時間: 11-5-11 17:29
原帖由 Jackeylwfd 於 11-5-11 16:41 發表
Because of its high fee, its location as well as its new school status, Harrow School can hardly attract the existing top international students in HK. On the other hand, apart from students from the Mainland and the nearly South Asia, it can attract those HK students who fail to be admitted by top HK international schools. They may not be classified as not good students but just less good students.
If you think that good students from the Mainland are "just less good", you must be living in a well.
作者: kaplanmeier 時間: 11-5-11 18:11
原帖由 Jackeylwfd 於 11-5-11 16:41 發表
It is so obvious that Harrow Hong Kong has reduced its requirement in admission in order to fill up its places asap otherwise it cannot actualise its development plan, not to say earn $$.
Harrowian i ...
Would students in overseas Harrow not be allowed to call themselves Harrowians? I do not see why a student from an overseas Harrow, when going (back) to the UK, could not consider himself a Harrowian. Don't confuse it with blue blood. If one is not blue blood by birth, he will never be blue blood, no matter he studies in Eton or Harrow, but he is still an Old Etonian or Harrowian. That is the meaning of an identity.
I followed your order and took a quick glance at the results of Beijing and Bangkok Harrow. You did not, however, tell me what you wanted me to see. Bangkok: 50% of A*/A and 73% A+B in A-level? Beijing: admitted to Oxford, UCL, Imperial, Warwick?
More importantly, I would not judge the success of a school solely by her rank in the league table. School is not only a place for the preparation of public examination but also a place for children to see the world, to expose to heritage and culture, to develop personality and leadership, and to grow up healthly and happily.
Sorry, I'm off the track. Anyway, I do not see why, at least for Britons, Harrow, from home, should be less attractive than any other schools that we had never heard before coming to HK. Fullstop.
作者: kaplanmeier 時間: 11-5-11 18:29
原帖由 kaplanmeier 於 11-5-11 16:32 發表
And are you telling me that there are only a handful of good children in Hong Kong so that even Harrow could not get any?
I am sorry. I am not well informed. At each age group, how many children are there in Hong Kong and how many international school places are available for local children? I know the birth rate in HK is one of the lowest in the world, but is it really so low that the number of good students is not enough to fill up good schools?
作者: miss_watson13 時間: 11-5-11 20:49
clap clap!
原帖由 delusionist 於 11-5-11 17:29 發表
If you think that good students from the Mainland are "just less good", you must be living in a well.
作者: miss_watson13 時間: 11-5-11 21:26
kaplanmeier, thank you for your well explanation, much appreciated. you have answered the question that i have been thinking of and have said something i wanna say. Thanks.
Jackeylwfd, you have your point but i dont have great belief in elite school whatsoever. Yes, it is true that the "TOP" schools can furnish children better teaching quality and better recognition maybe. But except these, I cant think of any merits of choosing "Top" school. I study in LSE London UK now. I have met many students from DGS, La Salle..people who consider as "top school" in HK. Undoubtedly, their A-level results are excellent, but when comes to UNI, they dont surprise me. I did group works with them. Honestly, their arrogance scared me and my English fellows. Not just one of them, I am saying the majority of them. And they cant get along with the locals due to some reasons. I studied in local HK school, the very ordinary one. I used to believe that DGS, St. Paul those "ELITE" schools are different from the "LOCAL" schools, but now I changed my mind after meeting/talking/working the students from those schools. Frankly, my sister studies in Maryknoll. She has no problem towards English Language at school, but when comparing to the native speaker, she doesn’t have the advantage (which I believe it is common in traditional school, not just her). The reason why my parents and I would think Harrow is the best choice instead of the traditional top secondary school is because of the location, the environment of the campus and the chance of getting into good university in UK comparing with the traditional school (as harrow applies UK ALEVEL).
You have assumed that the students who are interested in Harrow are "less good" students (I, somehow, feel pathetic after seeing you use the words "Less good" to describe children solely base on the academic result) I would like to make a clarification here. My parents have talked to the parents who are interested in Harrow HK, most of their children currently studying in the TOP international school (which you have classified) and the TOP traditional school in HK. The reason they choose Harrow is because of the reputation that Harrow Beijing and Harrow Bangkok have produced and the similar reasons that I have mentioned in the post. Moreover, there are some HK students from Harrow Beijing and Harrow Bangkok in my uni. I do not dare to classify them as ‘less good’ students, from my observation, no matter their school performance or integration with the local students, are far better than those from HK traditional school. In the light of the comments that you have dropped, you have emphasized the terms “good student” and “top school”. I want to make a statement here. A good student does not necessarily come from the Top school. A top student in top school doesnt guarantee s/he must have bright future. Personality is the determining factor. Thats what I have seen in my uni. I utterly agree what kaplanmeier has mentioned at last “More importantly, I would not judge the success of a school solely by her rank in the league table. School is not only a place for the preparation of public examination but also a place for children to see the world, to expose to heritage and culture, to develop personality and leadership, and to grow up healthily and happily”.
P.S. This is just my opinion and sharing from what i have seen in my uni. So please dont make any comments like "no. you are wrong" or "dont pretend to be an expert in front of me". honestly, these words are quite offensive and rude. Do respect people! If you don't agree, state your argument politely or just simply close the window, rather than pissing people off here. everyone here is just to state their opinions. this is not an assessment or competition whatsoever.
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作者: miss_watson13 時間: 11-5-14 15:00
kaplanmeier, i suggest you not to reply this post and argue with him/her. such a waste of time.
作者: kaplanmeier 時間: 11-5-14 22:34
原帖由 miss_watson13 於 11-5-14 15:00 發表
kaplanmeier, i suggest you not to reply this post and argue with him/her. such a waste of time.
In fact it's rather eye-opening to read his/her reply. I am not aware that there is such a prejudice or fantasy in Hong Kong that Harrow's fame is diminishing (because of whatever reasons). Is it some sort of post-colonial mindset? No problem. Such a statement is not falsifiable and hence is meaningless to argue (my crystal ball shows that s/he will give me a few links on the Internet and say that only a stubborn pig-headed person like me would deny). Fine, please continue to believe what you believe.
I know nothing about Beijing and Bangkok's international schools. S/he (definitely after doing extensive research, on the Internet, of course, or even some field studies, and so having my highest respect and faith) just told me that Harrow got, gets and will get the best international school students there. Fine, but wait... didn't s/he try desparately to convince herself that Harrow HK could not get the best students? I know, I know, s/he will then say that it is simply because in HK there are better schools that cannot be found in Beijing and Bangkok. Perhaps (just perhaps, and I didn't claim you had said it), the best school in the world is exactly the one her child is attending here in HK. Congratulations. (Yes, sincerely, my wholehearted congratulations, but if you would like to deny, no problem I would take my words back.) Well, but isn't it weird that Harrow's management is stupid enough to choose HK, rather that other cities, to have their third overseas branch. Any metropolis in mainland China would welcome Harrow.
As I said, an exam prep school is not my cup of tea. The number one in the league table is not necessarily the one that I would like to send my child to. I'm not a Tiger mother. My child is good, and I actively and seriously consider sending him to Harrow. Though it's a counter-example of what you said, why does it bother you in the end?
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作者: HappyBeach 時間: 11-5-15 11:13
Hi, miss_watson13,
I am a Maryknoller too. From my own experience, I had no problem studying in high school and university in Canada.
Don't worry, your sister will be fine.
原帖由 miss_watson13 於 11-5-9 04:48 發表
Hi,
My sister studys in a traditional school now. She has applied Harrow Int'l school and she got the offer. However, english is her second language and she speaks cantonese for most of the time. i a ...
作者: nintendo 時間: 11-5-15 16:18
你都幾中意人身攻擊喎
你話邊間學校唔好係 ok
反正個個人想法唔同
但唔該唔好下下話人地無知
你咁講，反而更顯得你自己先至係現實生活中失敗，要靠在網路上蝦蝦霸霸，平衡心理
拿拿拿，我冇話邊個，唔好出黎亂認呀
哈，有趣，呢邊靜了一排，終於又熱鬧起來
ps。突然諗起一個 bk 的舊朋友
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作者: miss_watson13 時間: 11-5-15 18:00
You go back and check the first post you have posted, and the post after peter_pan. I was asking ppl nicely about the qns i concerned. you popped up and told me i m wrong in so many things. and see what ve you replied peter_pan-"You are so wrong and don't pretend be an expert in front of me. You yourself are so confused by the curriculum in various places. Study more indepth and understand the differences first before making your pre-mature points". you consider this as a nice reply? lol S/he was just trying to share things she knows and s/he thinks is benefitcial to the people here. if s/he is wrong, correct him/her in a friendly way!
People reply and speak up in this post because they are pissed off by the way you replied and the attitude. As i ve mentioned, people up here is to share opinions not compete with each others.
原帖由 Jackeylwfd 於 11-5-15 09:28 發表
Both of you are so ignorant and without logical sense. However, it is absolutely not waste of time for both of your to argue with such a knowledgeable person like me as you can learn a lot from me.
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作者: miss_watson13 時間: 11-5-15 18:02
Thank you HappyBeach! :)
原帖由 HappyBeach 於 11-5-15 11:13 發表
Hi, miss_watson13,
I am a Maryknoller too. From my own experience, I had no problem studying in high school and university in Canada.
Don't worry, your sister will be fine.
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作者: yeekee 時間: 11-5-16 02:18 標題: 回覆 1# miss_watson13 的文章
According to Harrow HK, year 6 and 7 are Preparatory and Year 8 is Secondary (F.1). Don't worry, your sister will be ok.
作者: miss_watson13 時間: 11-5-16 07:59
thank you Yeekee :) :)
原帖由 yeekee 於 11-5-16 02:18 發表
According to Harrow HK, year 6 and 7 are Preparatory and Year 8 is Secondary (F.1). Don't worry, your sister will be ok.
作者: delusionist 時間: 11-5-16 10:03
Anyone who has been around for more than a few months already knows him. He is so pathetically predictable.
My dear Jackeylwfd, I'm not going to argue with you or add anything further to this thread. Just a friendly reminder: Please behave. Your personal information including your names, photos, personal details and that of your wife and son are searchable and obtainable to those who care to look for them. You are of course entitled to your (right or wrong) view but you are not doing your wife and son any favour by acting like a bully. And, given the very high degree of predictability and uninformed biases on your part, people can easily tell who you are. Using 10 different login names isn't going to help.
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作者: kaplanmeier 時間: 11-5-16 11:35
原帖由 Jackeylwfd 於 11-5-15 09:41 發表
By A + B Grade at A Level - Harrow ranks 30
Yes, Harrow, 94.06%, ranked 30, whilst Eton, 96.16%, ranked 17. A difference of 2.1% led to a difference of 13 in their ranks. And there are still 16 schools ranked higher than Eton this year.
If I were you, I probably would also say that Eton's fame was diminishing.
If I were you, I might have to find some way to push my boy to achieve straight A's.
If you were me, you would not have cared about 94% or 96%. If you were me, you should have thought about what tiebreakers one would use when one had to choose between two straight A's boys.
作者: kaplanmeier 時間: 11-5-16 11:47
原帖由 Jackeylwfd 於 11-5-15 09:28 發表
Both of you are so ignorant and without logical sense. However, it is absolutely not waste of time for both of your to argue with such a knowledgeable person like me as you can learn a lot from me.
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Yes, as I said, your posts were rather eye-opening. On my planet, still waters run deep.
作者: kaplanmeier 時間: 11-5-16 12:03
原帖由 miss_watson13 於 11-5-14 15:00 發表
kaplanmeier, i suggest you not to reply this post and argue with him/her. such a waste of time.
Miss Watson, you should enjoy what has been happening here, which reminded me my old naughty days...
Having found some tiny and harmless creature, I would pick up a stick to irritate it and see how it reacted. It defenced and even tried to strike back (targeting at the stick, of course). When it was time for me to go home, I left with (sinful) pleasure, but the tiny animal was also happy because it defeated the enemy and successfully protected its territory.
Now, it's time for me to go home and leave the tiny alone, which will happily declare victory.
作者: miss_watson13 時間: 11-5-16 20:41
a very nice metaphor! and now the creature is subject to sentence and being trapped in a transparent cup, noticing the reaction of the surrounding people but is incapable to create any nuisaunce (Y)
Anyway, thanks for the posts that you have made! they all are really constructive n inspiring. thank you!
原帖由 kaplanmeier 於 11-5-16 12:03 發表
Miss Watson, you should enjoy what has been happening here, which reminded me my old naughty days...
Having found some tiny and harmless creature, I would pick up a stick to irritate it and see how ...
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