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作者: happypiglet 時間: 11-3-1 16:14 標題: 請教Ian及其他父母:中及小學接龍問題
想問下如果2012年5月,當全港中及小學
要決定是否接龍時,對那一年出生的幼稚園小朋友有影響?
對而家要決定入讀幼稚園的家長來說, 又有何要注意?
作者: iantsang 時間: 11-3-1 16:52
hi happypiglet,
According to this original schedule to decide by May 31 in 2012, this should affect children born in 2007 and enter primary school in Sep 2013. Students entering the secondary school in Sep 2019 will have no feeder/ nominated relationships.
However, the deadline has been postponed for 3 years to 2015 already (about a year ago). Here's the news clip: http://orientaldaily.on.cc/cnt/news/20100428/00176_015.html
So, babies born in 2009 are still within the range, unless a school system choose to change pre-maturely.
Ian
[ 本帖最後由 iantsang 於 11-3-1 23:16 編輯 ]
作者: littlecook 時間: 11-3-1 22:45
Hi Ian,
A little bit complicated, but pls help to solve the problem!
Does the change of deadline mean that children admitting P1 in 2015 or before will not be affected?
My first child (2008bb)will study in TL K1, P1, and S1 in 2011 & 2014 and 2020 respectively. During this time, TL Primary and Secondary schools will remain at the current feeder relationship? No effect on her, right?
My second child (2009 small bb)will study in TL K1, P1, and S1 in 2013 (can only be super big b in Tai Hang TL), 2016 and 2022 respectively. Since she admit P1 in 2016, she will be affected? TL Primary is private while TL secondary is subsidized now, and they can be one dragon only if TL sec turns to private / DSS, otherwise they cannot keep the feeder relationship. In the former case, I should pay for her school fee, while in the later case, she has to join the 自行分配 or lucky draw?
If it is the case, should I try other one-dragon schools which accept small bb so that my second child may admit P1 in 2015? Then, she will still enjoy the feeder relationship between the primary and the secondary schools.
Am I right? Pls comment!
Thanks!
原帖由 iantsang 於 11-3-1 16:52 發表 
hi happypiglet,
According to this original schedule to decide by May 31 in 2012, this should affect children born in 2007 and enter primary school in Sep 2013. Students entering the secondary school ...
作者: iantsang 時間: 11-3-1 23:31
原帖由 littlecook 於 11-3-1 22:45 發表
Does the change of deadline mean that children admitting P1 in 2015 or before will not be affected?
Correct as long as these school don't break the relationships pre-maturely.
My first child (2008bb)will study in TL K1, P1, and S1 in 2011 & 2014 and 2020 respectively. During this time, TL Primary and Secondary schools will remain at the current feeder relationship? No effect on her, right?
No effects but TL's primary is a nominated school (25% reserve), not feeder (85% reserve).
My second child (2009 small bb)will study in TL K1, P1, and S1 in 2013 (can only be super big b in Tai Hang TL), 2016 and 2022 respectively. Since she admit P1 in 2016, she will be affected? TL Primary is private while TL secondary is subsidized now, and they can be one dragon only if TL sec turns to private / DSS, otherwise they cannot keep the feeder relationship. In the former case, I should pay for her school fee, while in the later case, she has to join the 自行分配 or lucky draw?
Obviously you have done your homework! Yes, for TL secondary to keep any relationship with its primary, both primary and secondary need to be on same aid mode (i.e. both gov't aided or both DSS/private).
However, note TL is just a nominated relationship so they reserve just less than 20% (i.e. (100%-30%)*25%) of total seats for own primary but can have over 60% of students return, that means they still manage a good return rate while own students need to compete with outsiders. Of course, based on the current S1 allocation method, there are no guarantee to own band 1 students.
If it is the case, should I try other one-dragon schools which accept small bb so that my second child may admit P1 in 2015? Then, she will still enjoy the feeder relationship between the primary and the secondary schools.
Am I right? Pls comment!
Thanks!
Ummm.... as I said, TL is just nominated so the reserve percentage is low anyway. So, I don't really feel breaking the link would be a major concern for these schools. If you will look elsewhere, then better look for one with feeder relationship.
Ian
作者: siulili 時間: 11-3-2 09:07
應該係話學校最遲可以在2015年決定，但學校亦有權提早決定和執行，並唔係全部學校都係一樣的， 所以你要留意心儀學校的動向。
好似協恩中學都決定轉直資啦，咁佢地小學部的學生之前係以為可以讀津中， 但而家結果變左要讀直資。
作者: happypiglet 時間: 11-3-2 10:22
Thanks Ian for your answer. My case is similar to littlecook.
I have a big girl who will study in K.1 in the coming september. And a super little boy who will study in K.1 in Sept 2012 (or be a super big boy in Sept 2013).
Then I have to take serious consideration for both kids.
Thanks again!!!
原帖由 iantsang 於 11-3-1 16:52 發表
hi happypiglet,
According to this original schedule to decide by May 31 in 2012, this should affect children born in 2007 and enter primary school in Sep 2013. Students entering the secondary school ...
作者: happypiglet 時間: 11-3-2 10:28
littlecook,
My case is similar to yours.
I have a big girl who will study in K.1 in the coming september (possibly TL, PC or MS). And a super little boy who will study in K.1 in Sept 2012 (or be a super big boy in Sept 2013).
Then I have to take serious consideration for both kids. If elder sister studies in TL, then little brother has to be super big kid who will study K.1 in 2013 Sept. By that time, TL secondary school might change to DSS/private school.
happypiglet
原帖由 littlecook 於 11-3-1 22:45 發表
Hi Ian,
A little bit complicated, but pls help to solve the problem!
Does the change of deadline mean that children admitting P1 in 2015 or before will not be affected?
My first child (2008bb)will ...
作者: siulili 時間: 11-3-2 11:06
真光唔係女校嚟架咩？ 你囝囝都唔會升真小／真中啦？ 我有無搞錯？
原帖由 happypiglet 於 11-3-2 10:28 發表
littlecook,
My case is similar to yours.
I have a big girl who will study in K.1 in the coming september (possibly TL, PC or MS). And a super little boy who will study in K.1 in Sept 2012 (or be a s ...
作者: happypiglet 時間: 11-3-2 11:08
Dear siulili,
I see!
Thanks for your advice!!
happypiglet :>
原帖由 siulili 於 11-3-2 09:07 發表
應該係話學校最遲可以在2015年決定，但學校亦有權提早決定和執行，並唔係全部學校都係一樣的， 所以你要留意心儀學校的動向。
好似協恩中學都決定轉直資啦，咁佢地小學部的學生之前係以為可以讀津中， 但而家結果變左要讀直資 ...
作者: happypiglet 時間: 11-3-2 11:11
Dear siulili,
真小每級有大約十數個男生. (聽聞男生升中派位也不錯. 但要當女校男生. 似乎不太好)
中學就係女校.
happypiglet :>
原帖由 siulili 於 11-3-2 11:06 發表
真光唔係女校嚟架咩？ 你囝囝都唔會升真小／真中啦？ 我有無搞錯？
作者: happypiglet 時間: 11-3-2 11:12
sorry ! deleted
作者: sllau 時間: 11-3-2 14:36
真小係男女校來嫁,只係少男仔讀咋...
真中先係女校....
[ 本帖最後由 sllau 於 11-3-2 14:38 編輯 ]
作者: littlecook 時間: 11-3-2 15:44
Thanks a lot, Ian.
That means,
1, TL Primary and Sec will be one dragon if TL Sec turns to DSS/Private, and this may affect P1 pupils admit in 2015 or even earlier, or
2, no linkage any more if TL Sec continues to be subsidized,
right?
原帖由 iantsang 於 11-3-1 23:31 發表
Correct as long as these school don't break the relationships pre-maturely.
No effects but TL's primary is a nominated school (25% reserve), not feeder (85% reserve).
Obviously you have done y ...
作者: littlecook 時間: 11-3-2 15:48
both PC and TL accept large Bs application only.
How about MS?
For PC and TL, 100% promotion to primary, but MS is not, right?
Do you think it's a big problem if 2 children study in different schools? If I don't let my 2nd one be large B, she can't go to her sister's school definitely! headache!
原帖由 happypiglet 於 11-3-2 10:28 發表
littlecook,
My case is similar to yours.
I have a big girl who will study in K.1 in the coming september (possibly TL, PC or MS). And a super little boy who will study in K.1 in Sept 2012 (or be a s ...
作者: iantsang 時間: 11-3-2 16:46
For (1), This is not automatic even after their secondary will turn to DSS (definitely won't be private). They don't have to be one-dragon as many other DSS. Of course, I don't know if they have such plan at all.
For (2), if they choose not to change after the deadline, then there won't be any relationships, except that they can give higher preferences during discretionary places stage.
原帖由 littlecook 於 11-3-2 15:44 發表
Thanks a lot, Ian.
That means,
1, TL Primary and Sec will be one dragon if TL Sec turns to DSS/Private, and this may affect P1 pupils admit in 2015 or even earlier, or
2, no linkage any more if TL Se ...
作者: happypiglet 時間: 11-3-2 16:56
yes, it's really a headache.
MS does not offer 100% promotion to primary, but many people say if not acting too bad, can be promoted to P.1.
do u live on HK island?
原帖由 littlecook 於 11-3-2 15:48 發表
both PC and TL accept large Bs application only.
How about MS?
For PC and TL, 100% promotion to primary, but MS is not, right?
Do you think it's a big problem if 2 children study in different schools? ...
作者: littlecook 時間: 11-3-2 22:41
Thanks again for your clear explanation!
原帖由 iantsang 於 11-3-2 16:46 發表
For (1), This is not automatic even after their secondary will turn to DSS (definitely won't be private). They don't have to be one-dragon as many other DSS. Of course, I don't know if they have suc ...
作者: littlecook 時間: 11-3-2 22:44
No. I live in NT.
We are thinking about moving home.
How about you? Does location matter to you?
Will you let your small one to be super big B or super small B?
原帖由 happypiglet 於 11-3-2 16:56 發表
yes, it's really a headache.
MS does not offer 100% promotion to primary, but many people say if not acting too bad, can be promoted to P.1.
do u live on HK island?
作者: happypiglet 時間: 11-3-4 11:17
Littlecook,
Does it mean that being a super small B will not be affected by the stated problem (since they will be P.1 student in 2015 Sept).
but it really matters if they are super big B (which means that they will be P.1 student in 2016 Sept)
原帖由 littlecook 於 11-3-2 22:44 發表
No. I live in NT.
We are thinking about moving home.
How about you? Does location matter to you?
Will you let your small one to be super big B or super small B?
作者: littlecook 時間: 11-3-5 17:10
Hi happypiglet,
'港府原訂二○一二年五月三十一日前要學校表態是否「結龍」，並最遲於一三／一四學年的小一級開始實施「一條龍」辦學模式...決定將表態「死線」延至一五年五月三十一日。'
跟據版主Ian提供既link推斷,如12年5月係表態死線,13年9月入學就要跟新模式,即係'一條龍'或者'無關係',咁即12年9月入學係最後一屆舊制.
如死線推至15年5月,咁16年9月入學就係新制,15年9月入學係最後一屆舊制.
我同你個細b都係09年尾,如做細b應12年9月k1,15年9月p1,仲係舊制.如遲一年入學做超大b,就13年9月k1,16年9月p1,變成新制.
如你b讀pc/ms,影响應較大,因遲一年入學做超大b,到時pc中學/ms中學,一係要轉成private/dss,咁你就要交多6年學費,如不轉,就唔會再有直屬關係,咁就要自行分配/中央派位.到時pc小上中,仲有無優勢,都好睇佢自行同扣門會唔會考慮培小生先.anyway,應該收唔到依家咁高%,除非佢有preference+抽獎多人選返培中又咁好彩派返入去.ms亦然.如是者,差一年,做大B定細B真係好大分別.但PC你無得選,你B必定做大B先有得考,即係一定係新制.咁,你B就唔係一定咁易上培中,或者一定上培中但要比學費.MS我就唔知.
但TL本身就係聯繫,就算舊制轉新制,都影響較小.同樣無得選,只可做超大B,除非考堅道真幼,但無家姐响度讀,無優勢考到,加上超細B,現實就係細人地几個月,除非好醒,否則都唔易,出年出生率仲高仲難考.但既然係聯繫,本身未轉制都唔係話易入返中學既.
但以上只是分析,最終亦不一定係咁,果D只係'最遲'既日子,如學校自己提早決定,咁亦可能將新舊制既轉接時間改左.例如,學校如今年2011年5月話中學要轉DSS,咁推理,2012年9月入P1就應該係新制,咁就連我地2011年入K1,2014年入P1既大囡,都變成新制囉!
唔好意思,我一路諗一路打,攪到咁長氣.
如有錯,煩高人指點!
原帖由 happypiglet 於 11-3-4 11:17 發表
Littlecook,
Does it mean that being a super small B will not be affected by the stated problem (since they will be P.1 student in 2015 Sept).
but it really matters if they are super big B (which mea ...
作者: happypiglet 時間: 11-3-7 14:00
Dear littlecook,
謝謝你詳盡的回覆.
我現在明白更多了!
換句話說,最好就做細B,因為都仲有機會中學唔使交學費.
若果做超大B, 中學就要交學費. (如有錯, 請更正.)
Thanks again!
happypiglet :>
原帖由 littlecook 於 11-3-5 17:10 發表
Hi happypiglet,
'港府原訂二○一二年五月三十一日前要學校表態是否「結龍」，並最遲於一三／一四學年的小一級開始實施「一條龍」辦學模式...決定將表態「死線」延至一五年五月三十一日。'
跟據版主Ian提供既link推斷, ...
作者: littlecook 時間: 11-3-7 17:33
唔駛客氣!
我自己都煩緊!
大果個剛告一段落,唔夠半年又到細果個...唔好彩/佢唔生性既話,小休半年出年又做超大B再玩過,到其時大果個已經係K2,若唔係讀龍校,或100%收返既話,大果個又要開始揾直資/私校,跟住玩大抽獎...
所以呢,大呢個我應該比佢讀TL,但細果個真係,又頭痕過啦!
你大囡係咪TL PM?如果你最終選TL,可能同我囡做同學仔喎!
如果你比細囝做細B,咁咪讀唔返PC/TL囉?
原帖由 happypiglet 於 11-3-7 14:00 發表
Dear littlecook,
謝謝你詳盡的回覆.
我現在明白更多了!
換句話說,最好就做細B,因為都仲有機會中學唔使交學費.
若果做超大B, 中學就要交學費. (如有錯, 請更正.)
Thanks again!
happypiglet :>
...
作者: iantsang 時間: 11-3-7 17:42
Here's the old document from EDB concerning the one-dragon arrangement. May be it is useful for you all to understand it better.
http://www.edb.gov.hk/FileManager/TC/Content_5826/embc06003c.pdf
作者: happypiglet 時間: 11-3-11 12:48
Dear littlecook , Ian and other daddies, mummies,
想問下以TL為例, 小學同中學目前係'聯繫'學校關係, 即是說中學每年預留25%名額給真小. 但據真小網頁, 去年有62%上真中.
想問下為何不止25%.
62%似乎也不算少!
happypiglet
作者: happypiglet 時間: 11-3-11 12:50
Dear littlecook,
剛在另一些討論中見到有媽媽建議, 細B不用重讀, 可考慮K.2才插班. (即K.1在收細B,屋企附近的幼稚園讀)
好似都係一個可行的辦法. 不過唔知插班多唔多位!
happypiglet
原帖由 littlecook 於 11-3-7 17:33 發表
唔駛客氣!
我自己都煩緊!
大果個剛告一段落,唔夠半年又到細果個...唔好彩/佢唔生性既話,小休半年出年又做超大B再玩過,到其時大果個已經係K2,若唔係讀龍校,或100%收返既話,大果個又要開始揾直資/私校,跟住玩大抽獎.. ...
作者: iantsang 時間: 11-3-12 00:34
The reserved places are just the minimum for qualified students from own primary school only. If more of their own students apply then they are just treated as students from other schools, then more of them can still get in.
Look at it this way, since there are really many good schools in the Wanchai district, so may be not many outsiders will choose TL as first choice so if TL own students choose to do so, then they still have a great chance to be accepted for those who are band 1.
原帖由 happypiglet 於 11-3-11 12:48 發表
Dear littlecook , Ian and other daddies, mummies,
想問下以TL為例, 小學同中學目前係'聯繫'學校關係, 即是說中學每年預留25%名額給真小. 但據真小網頁, 去年有62%上真中.
想問下為何不止25%.
62%似乎也不算少 ...
作者: littlecook 時間: 11-3-12 23:30
That means, most of them get in throught '自行' or 'lucky draw', right?
Is it possible to get the number of pupils from TL primary to TL seconday throught '自行'? That partly reflects the willingness of TL seconday to accept pupils from the primary section.
原帖由 iantsang 於 11-3-12 00:34 發表
The reserved places are just the minimum for qualified students from own primary school only. If more of their own students apply then they are just treated as students from other schools, then more ...
作者: littlecook 時間: 11-3-12 23:38
我諗,插班都係可行,但我唔敢只一心行呢條路.
聽過人地話,以前有D男仔K2轉去ST JO,但依家呢間都唔收生啦,未必好似以前咁有咁多K2插班位.
我諗今年都試吓APPLY K1,如無龍校或心儀既非龍校收,出年再考K1.唔知同一間學校,同一年又報K1,又報K2插班(如有位)得唔得?
原帖由 happypiglet 於 11-3-11 12:50 發表
Dear littlecook,
剛在另一些討論中見到有媽媽建議, 細B不用重讀, 可考慮K.2才插班. (即K.1在收細B,屋企附近的幼稚園讀)
好似都係一個可行的辦法. 不過唔知插班多唔多位!
happypiglet
...
作者: iantsang 時間: 11-3-12 23:38
Well, for the secondary level, it is not purely "lucky draw" gei. 
Of course, luck is still important for students from the same banding.
I think only the management (or even just the principal) would know that exact number of own primary students accepted thru discretionary places.
原帖由 littlecook 於 11-3-12 23:30 發表
That means, most of them get in throught '自行' or 'lucky draw', right?
Is it possible to get the number of pupils from TL primary to TL seconday throught '自行'? That partly reflects the willingness ...
作者: littlecook 時間: 11-3-13 15:44
Yes, but only 3 bandings... 3 tiers of lucky draw!
原帖由 iantsang 於 11-3-12 23:38 發表
Well, for the secondary level, it is not purely "lucky draw" gei. Of course, luck is still important for students from the same banding.
I think only the management (or even just the princi ...
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