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標題: 應該比小朋友係小一前學英文拼音嗎？ [打印本頁]

作者: dream_dream 時間: 10-12-1 21:25 標題: 應該比小朋友係小一前學英文拼音嗎？

小女依家讀緊k3，佢將來讀個間小學有拼音學的，咁我有需要依家比佢學咗先，定係等小一同班同學仔一齊學好呢？

作者: whywhywhywhy 時間: 10-12-1 21:30

一定要學，唔係日後默英文就大件事，溫書都有排溫。我眼見兩個朋友的小孩無學拼音，英文默書都係好低分！大人小孩都無從入手！所以一定要學拼音！！

作者: whywhywhywhy 時間: 10-12-1 21:31

一定要學，唔係日後默英文就大件事，溫書都有排溫。我眼見兩個朋友的小孩無學拼音，英文默書都係好低分！大人小孩都無從入手！所以一定要學拼音！！

作者: thomasha 時間: 10-12-1 21:35

如果小孩試過有興趣就學，無興趣就唔好勉強，免得到時學校教o個陣連學都無興趣。

原帖由 dream_dream 於 10-12-1 21:25 發表
小女依家讀緊k3，佢將來讀個間小學有拼音學的，咁我有需要依家比佢學咗先，定係等小一同班同學仔一齊學好呢？

作者: parentslove2 時間: 10-12-1 22:18

This is absolutely right, learn before Primary. There are not so many NET teacher in P.1 (Normally only 1 or 2 and 1 or 2 lessons a week for Phonics).
Very lucky, my daughters received a basic Phonics' education during Kindergarten. It's help a lot for English learning.

parentslove

作者: bobo_ling 時間: 10-12-1 22:20

學....
最好連普通話拼音都學埋~~

作者: yellowyan 時間: 10-12-1 22:39

請問在哪裡學Phonics會比較好？又請問尖沙咀YMCA嘅Phonics教得好唔好？

作者: jansenng 時間: 10-12-1 22:45

坊間有邊間學拼音比較好? 可否PM比我？
Thanks.

原帖由 whywhywhywhy 於 10-12-1 21，:31 發表
一定要學，唔係日後默英文就大件事，溫書都有排溫。我眼見兩個朋友的小孩無學拼音，英文默書都係好低分！大人小孩都無從入手！所以一定要學拼音！！ ...

作者: 4in1family 時間: 10-12-1 23:16

K2 and K3 is a perfect time to learn phonics, very useful. Easy and useful.

作者: thomasha 時間: 10-12-1 23:17

正如我經常同犬兒講，佢絕對唔可以只用拼音黎串字 (即係默書唔可以靠拼音)，因為英語發音變化很多，同一個韻母 (vowel)可以有唔同讀音甚至唔發音，例外也多，要靠多睇書黎增加字彙，而且要多練習黎記住d字點串。

所以，我認為小朋友學phonics很好，不過係咪需要早過人地學，你個小朋友係咪一定學得慢過人地，就見人見智喇。

原帖由 whywhywhywhy 於 10-12-1 21:31 發表
一定要學，唔係日後默英文就大件事，溫書都有排溫。我眼見兩個朋友的小孩無學拼音，英文默書都係好低分！大人小孩都無從入手！所以一定要學拼音！！ ...

作者: albb 時間: 10-12-1 23:35

我有朋友2歲已經係坊間學緊, 我仔K1學校都教緊, 不過一班成三十人, 只係教單字好慢, 我同佢頭一年都ON居居唔知咩黎, 今年K2又係學A-Z, 所以我決定比佢係坊間學PHONICS, 其實唔係只學PHONICS, 通過英文教學, 佢地漸漸已經學埋聽寫

如果經濟上有能力, 學都無壞, 學識拼音, 睇普通話拼音都無問題囉(我仔都係咁睇黎讀, 外國人都係咁睇架啦), 反正幼稚園功果無咁大壓力, 升上小一要適應好多野, 你估你女既小一同學仔佢地媽咪會唔會已經學緊或者已經學緊更高程度呢?

有D校外興趣班係暑假會開呢D PHONICS班, 我就無比我仔讀, 不過見朋友係短短暑假學得好快, 可能因為一星期返三日卦.

作者: 4in1family 時間: 10-12-1 23:39

PTH Pinyin is totally different from English Phonics. It's important for the kids not mixing it together.

原帖由 albb 於 10-12-1 23:35 發表
我有朋友2歲已經係坊間學緊, 我仔K1學校都教緊, 不過一班成三十人, 只係教單字好慢, 我同佢頭一年都ON居居唔知咩黎, 今年K2又係學A-Z, 所以我決定比佢係坊間學PHONICS, 其實唔係只學PHONICS, 通過英文教學, 佢地漸漸 ...

作者: dream_dream 時間: 10-12-1 23:40

我都知學拼音好好，我就係唔知應唔應該提早比佢學？因為小一學校都會教的！我驚提早比佢學到時老師教佢會覺得悶，但依家啲小朋友學咩都比人早，我又驚到時個女會學比人差，唉，讀書啫，呢個都唔知咩世界？小朋友同大人都好大壓力，真辛苦！

原帖由 thomasha 於 10-12-1 23:17 發表
正如我經常同犬兒講，佢絕對唔可以只用拼音黎串字 (即係默書唔可以靠拼音)，因為英語發音變化很多，同一個韻母 (vowel)可以有唔同讀音甚至唔發音，例外也多，要靠多睇書黎增加字彙，而且要多練習黎記住d字點串。

所以，我認為小朋 ...

作者: whywhywhywhy 時間: 10-12-1 23:59

其實我有d唔明，而家唔係幼稚園就教拼音嗎？點解係小一先開始學呢？我小朋友今年升小一，我慶幸佢有學拼音，因為小一課程真係好緊密，跟本無時間再同佢溫！但如果你覺得你小朋友可以應付的話就當別論！
我無俾我小朋友出去學，係買dvd番來比佢睇，再加睇英文書，咁慢慢佢自然會懂得一點點，另外睇英文卡通片都好有用！

作者: Bowiema 時間: 10-12-2 00:09

我2個仔仔當年都係k2開始學phonics, 雖然幼稚園巳有教, 仲有本專學phonics既書. 我仍然比佢地出去學, 因為出面教既仲會再深入d. 不過上咗小學默書真係無問題, even unseen都ok. 我見小學都有phonics學, 不過時間唔多, 同埋都係d簡單既野.

作者: thomasha 時間: 10-12-2 00:33

好同意，而家d家長慌死細路仔學野慢過人，追唔上，無諗過佢地如果乜都之前學晒，上堂會好悶，到時又會有第d問題，例如上堂無心機聽書，做第d野等等。

正如我早前講過，如果細路有興趣，學o下無妨，我個仔都有學緊，仲好鍾意添，所以已經學左年幾，不過有個現象，就係佢成日唔記住d字點串，淨係靠phonics，於是經常串錯people, John等字。

原帖由 dream_dream 於 10-12-1 23:40 發表
我都知學拼音好好，我就係唔知應唔應該提早比佢學？因為小一學校都會教的！我驚提早比佢學到時老師教佢會覺得悶，但依家啲小朋友學咩都比人早，我又驚到時個女會學比人差，唉，讀書啫，呢個都唔知咩世界？小朋友同大人都好大壓力，真辛苦 ...

作者: cornelius 時間: 10-12-2 02:36

Phonics would help improve spelling provided that the kid has a reading habit because there are many exceptions in English (e.g. meat vs meet). He needs to know the meaning or else he may write "They a going to the zoo".

On the other hand, if one is interested in DSS/private schools, it would be good preparation for the kid to learn phonics to help him to read even words not yet seen before at school interviews.

[ 本帖最後由 cornelius 於 10-12-2 02:38 編輯 ]

作者: dk486 時間: 10-12-2 08:19

親子上課，我見朋友D小朋友學得幾好！！！

原帖由 yellowyan 於 10-12-1 22:39 發表
請問在哪裡學Phonics會比較好？又請問尖沙咀YMCA嘅Phonics教得好唔好？

作者: dk486 時間: 10-12-2 08:24

我個仔今年開始學 (K3) ，我估唔到佢咁鐘意，我覺得K2開始學仲好。
佢學校幼稚園教得太慢了，堂數又少。我趁佢依家下晝仲有D時間咪比佢學下law. 依家，見到D字有D sense去拼下咁...

作者: gracekam912 時間: 10-12-2 08:53

Where to learn phonics good?

我個仔今年開始學 (K3) ，我估唔到佢咁鐘意，我覺得K2開始學仲好。
佢學校幼稚園教得太慢了，堂數又少。我趁佢依家下晝仲有D時間咪比佢學下law. 依家，見到D字有D sense去拼下咁... ... [/quote]

作者: thomasha 時間: 10-12-2 09:16

我個仔同兩個K1 o既同學一齊搵私人老師學Letterland phonics，老師同時係兒童心理學家，係香港人但o係英國住左好多年，講廣東話有d似去左外國好耐o既中國人。犬兒非常鍾意，每個禮拜都好期待去上堂，老師話佢進度好好，而家已經學緊進階課程，相信今年暑假就會學完。

作者: dream_dream 時間: 10-12-2 10:35

我個女個間幼稚園好似無!

原帖由 whywhywhywhy 於 10-12-1 23:59 發表
其實我有d唔明，而家唔係幼稚園就教拼音嗎？點解係小一先開始學呢？我小朋友今年升小一，我慶幸佢有學拼音，因為小一課程真係好緊密，跟本無時間再同佢溫！但如果你覺得你小朋友可以應付的話就當別論！
我無俾我小朋友出去學，係買dvd ...

作者: dream_dream 時間: 10-12-2 10:43

嗯....我見好多家長嘅意見都係小朋友學咗嘅比例好,我都會比個女去學下,我想問下,一個星期學一堂係咪已經足夠呢?同埋有邊間好啲?我見有啲百幾蚊一堂,有啲要四百幾蚊一堂,個價錢相差好!

作者: babybear 時間: 10-12-2 11:07

貴既唔代表係好野, 平既亦唔代表唔好. 好睇個班多唔多小朋友一班（同埋一起上堂果班小朋友投唔投入，　如果大家都好投入，會學得快好多, 如果當中有一個半個滋事份子, 成日上堂搞搞陣, 咁就真係........) 同埋睇個小朋友受唔受個套教法! 所以最好有得試堂囉！
一星期一堂係ok架！

原帖由 dream_dream 於 10-12-2 10:43 發表
嗯....我見好多家長嘅意見都係小朋友學咗嘅比例好,我都會比個女去學下,我想問下,一個星期學一堂係咪已經足夠呢?同埋有邊間好啲?我見有啲百幾蚊一堂,有啲要四百幾蚊一堂,個價錢相差好! ...

作者: pho2009 時間: 10-12-2 11:14

原帖由 dk486 於 10-12-2 08:19 發表
親子上課，我見朋友D小朋友學得幾好！！！

Can you tell me where have 親子上課?

作者: yellowyan 時間: 10-12-2 12:46

Can you also tell or PM me where have 親子上課?

作者: chewsyc 時間: 10-12-2 13:09

我個女學緊RWI, 讀緊K3, 學左幾個月,明顯進步咗好多. 你都可以考慮. 有個website, 你可以上去睇睇.
http://www.readwriteinc.hk/

原帖由 gracekam912 於 10-12-2 08:53 發表
Where to learn phonics good?

我個仔今年開始學 (K3) ，我估唔到佢咁鐘意，我覺得K2開始學仲好。
佢學校幼稚園教得太慢了，堂數又少。我趁佢依家下晝仲有D時間咪比佢學下law. 依家，見到D字有D sense去拼下咁... ... [ ...

作者: minggoo 時間: 10-12-2 13:21

不如試試網上資源自己教下先,有興趣再正式去學:-
http://www.starfall.com/n/level-k/index/play.htm?f
自己讀字都唔太準,所以自己學完一次再同個女一齊學。亞女未入KG,己經一同坐在電腦前一齊學基本拼音。到K2時學校正式教拼音,亞女跟得好快,而家亞女讀字連d尾音都好清楚,反而自己依然求求其其

原帖由 dream_dream 於 10-12-2 10:43 發表
嗯....我見好多家長嘅意見都係小朋友學咗嘅比例好,我都會比個女去學下,我想問下,一個星期學一堂係咪已經足夠呢?同埋有邊間好啲?我見有啲百幾蚊一堂,有啲要四百幾蚊一堂,個價錢相差好! ...

作者: cornelius 時間: 10-12-2 13:50

Neither did we send our kid to formal phonics classes but just let him watch the VCDs (some 15 or 20 mins a day) when he was not yet 2 years old.  Then during his time in PN and K1, he was taught Letterland phonics at school (though we moved him to another kinder starting K2).  Now basically he would try to read out even unfamiliar words.

A few days ago on his way to a 2nd interview, he typed an SMS using his mother's phone and sent it to me (though actually we were travelling together).  Let me share it here:

"daddy ,please can i go to the choi kai yau school interview pl...pl...please?pls take me to there okay?pls....?? Love (name of our son)"

I was quite surprised as he could spell "interview", but my wife reminded me that he might have seen the signage at previous school interviews.  What I wish to say is to that phonics helps young kids to read, as well as to spell words provided they have satisfactory level of reading.

[ 本帖最後由 cornelius 於 10-12-2 13:52 編輯 ]

作者: wkceci 時間: 10-12-2 14:00

Your son is very smart.
My son learn phoincs since this Oct, the class should be 3-4 children but now remain him alone. I think this is good for him, more focus during the class.

原帖由 cornelius 於 10-12-2 13:50 發表
Neither did we send our kid to formal phonics classes but just let him watch the VCDs (some 15 or 20 mins a day) when he was not yet 2 years old. Then during his time in PN and K1, he was taught Lett ...

作者: bubumom 時間: 10-12-2 15:27

My girl is studying RWI too!

作者: Naurto 時間: 10-12-2 16:24

for your reference.上海現在很多小學一年級已學国際音標. 所以我覺得 phonics 最少要識.....

作者: Naurto 時間: 10-12-2 16:25

for your reference.上海現在很多小學一年級已學国際音標. 所以我覺得 phonics 最少要識.....

作者: Lilo 時間: 10-12-2 17:05

我小朋友間小學都有教phonics，不過老師真係expect小朋友已經識，一個星期都係教個20分鐘，如果唔係幼稚園已經學過phonics，單教小學教，我覺得好難會識囉！

另外，聽聞有間地區熱門私校今年小一interview係有考小朋友phonics，如果唔識會影響取錄機會。

作者: juliancy 時間: 10-12-2 17:28

Yes, as early as possible. Bear in mind, they are only learning phonics, not phonetics, IPA.

Both parents and children should learn. Some children fail to do well in this area not least because of the bad pronunciation their parents "feed" them day by day, which no weekly or daily classes by even native speakers can help.

[ 本帖最後由 juliancy 於 10-12-2 17:30 編輯 ]

作者: aryee 時間: 10-12-2 17:51

我自己唔覺得phonics一定要學，好depends on小朋友本身串字同認讀方面有冇困難，而且phonics太多exceptional，佢話20%，我無做過研究，但應該唔只。
我本身兩個小朋友都學過，大仔串字同認讀本身唔難吸收，phonics對佢幫助其實唔明顯，d exceptional仲攪到佢confuse tim。細仔認字同串字有d困難，phonics對佢就真係好大幫助，記多左好多字。

作者: fredkong01 時間: 10-12-2 19:06

Aryee,

Agree with you. If the kid has no problem in spelling and recognizing words, then phonics might not help. The native english teacher tells me that though she teaches phonics at HK, she didn't learn it in UK at her young age. The phonic only helps kid to read the word but many exceptional cases.

To me, on the other hand, the IPA is good for Hong Kong Student coz IPA can help the kid to pronounce the word correctly and in accurate accent.

原帖由 aryee 於 10-12-2 17:51 發表
我自己唔覺得phonics一定要學，好depends on小朋友本身串字同認讀方面有冇困難，而且phonics太多exceptional，佢話20%，我無做過研究，但應該唔只。
我本身兩個小朋友都學過，大仔串字同認讀本身唔難吸收，phonics對佢幫助其實唔 ...

作者: motherotk 時間: 10-12-2 19:54

My experience with my kids - definitely good, for both English and Mandarin .....K2 and K3 is the best time!!

原帖由 fredkong01 於 10-12-2 19:06 發表
Aryee,

Agree with you. If the kid has no problem in spelling and recognizing words, then phonics might not help. The native english teacher tells me that though she teaches phonics at HK, she didn't ...

作者: BH_2 時間: 10-12-2 22:10

我個仔k2, k1學校已教, 不過佢係外面英文班教得深d, 而家學校個d反而淺, 佢都ok, 我又唔覺佢係學冇興趣, 反而我地不用同佢溫學校的 phonic. 早d冇壞的.

作者: chloechanchan 時間: 10-12-2 23:33

Thomasha: 小女亦有跟一位私人老師學Letterland Phonics, 你所講的老師跟我們的老師可能係同一人呢﹗你哋係唔係Kowloon Bay上堂﹖學左幾耐﹖依家讀到咩Phonics Stage?

原帖由 thomasha 於 10-12-2 09:16 發表
我個仔同兩個K1 o既同學一齊搵私人老師學Letterland phonics，老師同時係兒童心理學家，係香港人但o係英國住左好多年，講廣東話有d似去左外國好耐o既中國人。犬兒非常鍾意，每個禮拜都好期待去上堂，老師話佢進度好好，而家已經 ...

作者: thomasha 時間: 10-12-2 23:36

教letterland phonics o既老師唔少，我o個個係o係銅鑼灣教o既。阿仔到而家已經學左超過一年，而家學緊進階部份 (advanced)。

原帖由 chloechanchan 於 10-12-2 23:33 發表
Thomasha: 小女亦有跟一位私人老師學Letterland Phonics, 你所講的老師跟我們的老師可能係同一人呢﹗你哋係唔係Kowloon Bay上堂﹖學左幾耐﹖依家讀到咩Phonics Stage?

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作者: dream_dream 時間: 10-12-2 23:42

我住九龍灣架，可否比個老師資料我嗎？

原帖由 chloechanchan 於 10-12-2 23:33 發表
Thomasha: 小女亦有跟一位私人老師學Letterland Phonics, 你所講的老師跟我們的老師可能係同一人呢﹗你哋係唔係Kowloon Bay上堂﹖學左幾耐﹖依家讀到咩Phonics Stage?

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作者: BBTWIN 時間: 10-12-3 00:02

我兩個女k3, o係出面學左3個月phonics. 因為學校一星期先得一堂英文堂, 再加上學校教的所謂phonics(我真係唔知學校教過什麼phonics, 因為咩教材都冇派返黎比家長睇, 可以話不知所謂)

, 所以我覺得絕對有須要比佢地出面學. 不過我覺得佢地教得幾慢, 上左3個月而家教緊letter "R", 每堂教一至兩個letter sound. 我暫時未見到什麼成效, 可能要教到雙音先見到效果. 幸好我兩個女本身記性幾好, 佢地串字方面問題不大.

作者: cornelius 時間: 10-12-3 13:47

原帖由 Naurto 於 10-12-2 16:24 發表
for your reference.上海現在很多小學一年級已學国際音標. 所以我覺得 phonics 最少要識.....

Knowing IPA is good, but it doesn't help one read or pronounce the words without referring to the phonetic symbols.

Similar to most of you here, I didn't have phonics or IPA classes at school. I bet we learned the language by imitation and repetition so that we would try to pronounce a word not known before by guessing (now IPA or speaking-dictionary would help correct the pronunciation). Phonics classes are popular in the last decade or so b'cos it provides a "systematic" approach for non-native learners to pick up the language in a rather short period of time.

作者: kat0318 時間: 10-12-3 13:58

my little boy (almost age 4) started his jolly phonics class some months ago. i can't say for sure whether the phonics class boosts his english proficiency.
but one thing i think is more important: if a parent does some readings with the kids almost everyday, this would definitely improve the language ability of his/her kids.
as in my case, i use to read with my boy. so before he joined the phonics class, he's already been able to read some simple readers himself. indeed, he loves to read those stories to me.

作者: thomasha 時間: 10-12-3 14:07

Yes, reading is extremely important in improving English proficiency. Phonics can help, providing a good reading habit has been developed first.

原帖由 kat0318 於 10-12-3 13:58 發表
my little boy (almost age 4) started his jolly phonics class some months ago. i can't say for sure whether the phonics class boosts his english proficiency.
but one thing i think is more important: i ...

作者: cornelius 時間: 10-12-3 14:31

原帖由 kat0318 於 10-12-3 13:58 發表
my little boy (almost age 4) started his jolly phonics class some months ago. i can't say for sure whether the phonics class boosts his english proficiency.
but one thing i think is more important: i ...

Keep up the good habit (and actually it is a time of intimacy with your son too). In our case, our son still insists on reading together everday before he goes to bed. But I wonder how long this would last for he's been reading by himself since he was small.

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