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標題: St Paul Boys 簡介會: 大陸爸爸vs 香港爸爸 [打印本頁]

作者: PoorParent 時間: 10-11-26 15:20 標題: St Paul Boys 簡介會: 大陸爸爸vs 香港爸爸

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作者: gobbys 時間: 10-11-26 15:27

I believe these two parent should read the school profile before they apply SPCPS.  The school profile has already stated that it is a Chinese school and will taught in Cantonese.

I think it's too late to ask these questions.  But they may found out that it may not be suitable for their boys after the talk and then free up the seats
for waiting list.

原帖由 PoorParent 於 10-11-26 03:20 PM 發表
Yesterday in St Paul Boy Brifeing session:
One Daddy (from mainland) ask Principal: my kid's mother-tongue is PTH, how will the school tackle & help my boy.

Another Local HK daddy asked: My boy mothe ...

作者: Yanamami 時間: 10-11-26 15:29

唔.....題外話...

我先前去St Paul's Convent聽中一簡介會, 當中個admission staff 提及過學校是EMI, 所以會以英文為主, 但中文科是以廣東話教, 若申請人只能以普通話溝通, 那便對不起了......

原帖由 PoorParent 於 10-11-26 15:20 發表
Yesterday in St Paul Boy Brifeing session:
One Daddy (from mainland) ask Principal: my kid,'s mother-tongue is PTH, how will the school tackle & help my boy.

Another Local HK daddy asked: My boy mothe ...

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作者: PoorParent 時間: 10-11-26 15:34

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作者: Teresa 時間: 10-11-26 15:41

Just want to know how Ms Chan answered the two daddies?

Declaration: my son is a SPC boy.

作者: meia 時間: 10-11-26 15:41

Interesting.

Both fathers haven't done their research before sending their applications
OR
They believe that the school will be so accomodating that it will change the teaching language for their boys.

作者: Student123 時間: 10-11-26 15:52

No I think the Mainland daddy want to 晒冷,
May be he think 自由行大豪客呱 ....should gain more respect from Principal or other parents or teachers.

The HK daddy just want to 回敬 mainland daddy: show the prestige of HK kid's English capability in return.

作者: Teresa 時間: 10-11-26 16:14

Come on! I hate this kind of "show-off"!!!

I remember years ago when I attended the briefing session of St. Paul Co-edu (not Paul Boys'), a Mainland mami did the same thing -- keep on raising her hand to ask the principal about the school, but most of this questions consisted of showing off her twin boys!

I can tell everyone here, Ms Chan does not like parents showing-off!! Every boy in SPC are equal, regardless of their family background!

作者: PoorParent 時間: 10-11-26 16:33

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作者: HuiTung 時間: 10-11-26 16:45

原帖由 PoorParent 於 10-11-26 16:33 發表
Her answer was excellent:
Your sons (both of them) get thro' both 1st & 2nd Interviews that were both conducted in Cantonese. That mean Cantonese is not a problem for them.

Should there be an ...

作者: AhiruNoPekk 時間: 10-11-26 17:08

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作者: PoorParent 時間: 10-11-26 17:14

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作者: childrenfirst 時間: 10-11-26 17:21

Agreed with your observation. The mainland daddy thinks the school should accormodate his son's needs. You can see these kinds of rich mainlanders everywhere nowadays.

原帖由 Student123 於 10-11-26 15:52 發表
No I think the Mainland daddy want to 晒冷,
May be he think 自由行大豪客呱 ....should gain more respect from Principal or other parents or teachers.

The HK daddy just want to 回敬 mainland ...

作者: sgglcc 時間: 10-11-26 17:27

I like Mrs Chan's answers too, she is a very fair principal.

作者: YuHangMum 時間: 10-11-26 17:34

作者: PoorParent 時間: 10-11-26 17:47

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作者: fredkong01 時間: 10-11-26 19:33

Yes. I like the reply from Ms. Chan (the principle) too. very good.

原帖由 PoorParent 於 10-11-26 17:47 發表
如果他的PTH聰明孩子不能於SPC的課程生存,
如回大陸, 把位子讓給本地小孩:) :)

還有.....香港中文的繁體字是更加深,
很多大陸人也看不懂
也一定不能寫

還有 The HK d ...

作者: lin624 時間: 10-11-26 19:35

我覺得是你想太多

原帖由 PoorParent 於 10-11-26 15:20 發表
Yesterday in St Paul Boy Brifeing session:
One Daddy (from mainland) ask Principal: my kid's mother-tongue is PTH, how will the school tackle & help my boy.

Another Local HK daddy asked: My boy mothe ...

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作者: PoorParent 時間: 10-11-26 19:58

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作者: chubby2688 時間: 10-11-26 20:07

陳校長勁!

原帖由 PoorParent 於 10-11-26 16:33 發表
Her answer was excellent:
Your sons (both of them) get thro' both 1st & 2nd Interviews that were both conducted in Cantonese. That mean Cantonese is not a problem for them.

Should there be an ...

作者: IJai 時間: 10-11-26 22:07

e 個世界咩人 doo 有
天外有天人上有人
保持謙虛做好本份 is ok
:D

作者: Teresa 時間: 10-11-26 23:26

陳校長好野!!!!!!!!!!!!!

當年我比個仔入SPC既決定係正確架!

全場家長都聽到陳校長咁講, 有冇家長拍手呀?

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作者: PoorParent 時間: 10-11-27 00:02

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作者: fredkong01 時間: 10-11-27 00:35 標題: 回覆 12# PoorParent 的文章

Yes, I would also like to know this.

作者: Camom 時間: 10-11-27 00:41

原帖由 Teresa 於 10-11-26 23:26 發表
陳校長好野!!!!!!!!!!!!!

當年我比個仔入SPC既決定係正確架!

全場家長都聽到陳校長咁講, 有冇家長拍手呀?

Teresa,

簡介會上陳校長說希望可於2012年遷入新校舍。請問你知道新校舍現時的施工進度嗎？2012年搬入新校舍的機會樂觀嗎？

作者: Teresa 時間: 10-11-27 00:46

原帖由 Camom 於 10-11-27 00:41 發表

Teresa,

簡介會上陳校長說希望可於2012年遷入新校舍。請問你知道新校舍現時的施工進度嗎？2012年搬入新校舍的機會樂觀嗎？

我唔知施工進度, 不過已經動左工. 都可以2010搬得到既. 因為SKH St. Peter都等緊Paul Boys'搬校之後用而家我地既Campus開St. Peter whole-day school.

作者: Camom 時間: 10-11-27 00:56

原帖由 Teresa 於 10-11-27 00:46 發表

我唔知施工進度, 不過已經動左工. 都可以2010搬得到既. 因為SKH St. Peter都等緊Paul Boys'搬校之後用而家我地既Campus開St. Peter whole-day school.

原來宜家嘅校址係會交俾另一間學校用，咁相信新校嘅工程會如期進行。始終覺得有多Ｄ戶外嘅地方俾男仔跑動吓會好Ｄ。

作者: PoorParent 時間: 10-11-27 01:19

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作者: mattsmum 時間: 10-11-27 09:55

這種情況下少問為妙，起碼他二人都以教會學校為首選，努力接受中環價值，人家不會為你而變，你還是問自己：别問學校可以為我做什麼，要問我可以為學校做什麼＂
ask not what your school can do for you–ask what you can do for your school

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作者: lugano 時間: 10-11-27 11:37

原帖由 PoorParent 於 10-11-26 15:20 發表

Yesterday in St Paul Boy Brifeing session:
One Daddy (from mainland) ask Principal: my kid's mother-tongue is PTH, how will the school tackle & help my boy.

Another Local HK daddy asked: My boy mother-tongue is English, the same question as the mainland daddy....

Do you/ BK parents think both daddies have something more to show off?

那兩位爸爸(大陸爸爸&香港爸爸)可能弄不清"聖保羅男女"和"聖保羅男校"的分別 !! 以為聖保羅男校掛著"聖保羅"個名就可以提供"聖保羅男女"級數的教育質素 !!

100% 完全明白你的感受, 因我都是當日在場的家長 !! 我聽到都冒火三丈 !! PoorParent 完全講出我心那句, 陳校長的回應, 完全幽那兩位荒謬的爸爸一默, 相信亦贏得很多家長的共鳴

所以如果那兩位爸爸又想間學校用全英文, 又想教普通話, French, Spanish, 咁你不如去聖保羅男女, ESF, 新加坡國際, 漢基, Victoria, ISF......

但當然要付出高昂學費的代價, 所以那兩位爸爸報得聖保羅男校, 吃這個套餐, 付這個價錢, 就別期望一些不設實際的想法, 那兩位不認同聖保羅男校教育理念的爸爸, 請不要霸著個位, 這裡也許真的不適合你, 請讓個位給一些 waiting list 的家長

每個人心裡都有自己的一把尺, 講講部份家長可能心照的事實....... "聖保羅男校"和"聖保羅男女"的掛名"聖保羅"品牌名稱效應, 可能就如"喇沙"和"陳瑞祺喇沙"一樣 !! 不需多講, 你我亦明白兩間喇沙的分別

聖保羅男女確實高聖保羅男校好多班馬, 呢個係事實, 所以那兩位爸爸報得"聖保羅男校", 就不要期望得到"聖保羅男女"的名氣和教育質素 !! 我自知我家不是有錢, 亦非想催谷兒子一星期學十數樣課外活動, 我只想他有個快樂的童年, 愉快地成長, 所以我沒有報考聖保羅男女 !! (註: 小弟是喇沙舊生, 我無意抬高母校, 貶低友校陳瑞祺喇沙, 再者, 我並非矮化聖保羅男校, 聖保羅男校的名氣和認受性高於陳瑞祺喇沙確是事實, 我只是做個品牌名稱效應分別而已)

http://hkcee.webs.com/HKCEE.htm

但拜荒謬的香港津貼教育電腦抽獎制度所賜, 家長只能"公平投考" DSS !!

聖約瑟, 香港華仁這兩所津貼小學是我十分心儀的 Top Choices, 跟很多家長一樣, 想為大仔報讀, 但作為非舊生和首名子女, 只拿著 15 or 20分去抽, 真的難過登天 !! 我自己 20 分就抽不到聖約瑟

如果香港的教育制度可以容許我們去投考任何津貼學校, 我一定考聖約瑟和華仁

這不知是否部份為仔仔報讀聖保羅男校的家長心聲/寫照 ?

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作者: PoorParent 時間: 10-11-27 12:39

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作者: 4in1family 時間: 10-11-27 12:59

說得真好!! 直接指出家長係呢個荒謬大抽獎制度下的無奈，如果無埋DSS，你可想言知!

不過，只要是一線好學校，是不是最頂尖果間唔係最重要，最緊要間學校夾個學生，如果學生享受學校生活，考中學仲有大把choices. 有時最尖有最尖的難處，起碼依家DSS有機會相方認識，你情我願，總好過交阿仔教育大事比個電腦攪珠! 真係荒謬!!!!

原帖由 lugano 於 10-11-27 11:37 發表

那些家長可能弄不清"聖保羅男女"和"聖保羅男校"的分別 !! 以為聖保羅男校掛著"聖保羅"個名就可以提供"聖保羅男女"級數的教育質素 !!

100% 完全明白你的感受, 因我都是當日在場的家長 !! 我聽到都冒火三丈 !! Poo ...

作者: HoHoMom 時間: 10-11-27 13:06

I do not believe nowadays there will be parents naive enough to confuse "聖保羅男女"和"聖保羅男校". And just because part of the names are common does not mean any one school is掛著"聖保羅"個名. As with any two schools in HK, these two schools are obviously very different. The students each of them goes for and prefers are also different.

Regarding "小弟是喇沙舊生, 我無意抬高母校喇沙, 貶低友校陳瑞祺喇沙", well, I personally think this "disclaimer" becomes a bit redundant considering the content of your message.

From my experience, SPC is a school that would go to a great length to ensure the boys become responsible members of the society who are humble enough to serve and care for others with the great ability, skills and integrity they develope at school. As far as I know, the boys are not only intelligent, academically conscious but they also learn to get along extremely well with each other and be very helpful and sharing.

Arrogance and condescension aren't something the school nutures, promotes or values. Something parents should consider before they put their sons in SPC.

原帖由 lugano 於 10-11-27 11:37 發表

那些家長可能弄不清"聖保羅男女"和"聖保羅男校"的分別 !! 以為聖保羅男校掛著"聖保羅"個名就可以提供"聖保羅男女"級數的教育質素 !!

100% 完全明白你的感受, 因我都是當日在場的家長 !! 我聽到都冒火三丈 !! Poo ...

作者: lugano 時間: 10-11-27 14:01

原帖由 4in1family 於 10-11-27 12:59 發表
說得真好!! 直接指出家長係呢個荒謬大抽獎制度下的無奈，如果無埋DSS，你可想言知!

不過，只要是一線好學校，是不是最頂尖果間唔係最重要，最緊要間學校夾個學生，如果學生享受學校生活，考中學仲有大把choices. 有時最尖有最尖的 ...

萬分同感.....

"起碼依家DSS有機會相方認識，你情我願，總好過交阿仔教育大事比個電腦攪珠! 真係荒謬!!!!"

作者: lugano 時間: 10-11-27 14:14

九龍華仁是一間很好的男校, 學生的 spirit 很好, 不知將來九華會否開設小學部?

我只想個仔在聖保羅男校裡開心成長, 因感受到陳校長是很有教育熱誠的人 :)

原帖由 PoorParent 於 10-11-27 12:39 發表
非常同意!!
但要知世事如成績是有上有落的
香港第一個, 亦是當年唯一的9A狀元是九龍華仁於 1970-80s 年代的, 當年全港排名首三名: QC>QE>WYK (九華第三)
最後10A已是2002-03的事.

St Paul Boys 1985-90年, 每年出1 ...

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作者: lugano 時間: 10-11-27 15:32

原帖由 HoHoMom 於 10-11-27 13:06 發表
I do not believe nowadays there will be parents naive enough to confuse "聖保羅男女"和"聖保羅男校". And just because part of the names are common does not mean any one school is 掛著"聖保羅"個名. As wi ...

If you were there last Thursday, you'll know exactly what we are talking about.

Thanks for your sharing about SPC and it reassures my thoughts for sending my kid to this school.  I heard good things about SPC from friends.

SPC has experienced teachers to develop  innovative learning opportunities for kids.  I'm looking for a school and teachers who want to offer the opportunities so all the kids can reach fullest potential....instead of the motives to compartmentalize teaching, learning and aiming at the tests..... 填鴨式教育 is something which we know it doesn't work at all.....I want somthing that can allow kids to learn and have true understanding of the concepts to apply to the real world.

作者: hogwarts 時間: 10-11-27 18:11 標題: 有关聖保羅的招牌

香港社會的發展, 使入學變了"名牌"比拼。如果当年聖保羅、华仁与喇沙的 founders 還在生，一定覺得好好笑。

還記得幾年前和陳校長討論 "保羅行動"的命名時，都講過為甚麼香港咁鬼多 "St Paul's" (最少9间 St Paul's 行頭的中小學)，除相當有啓發外(除了"Y記"类的基督徒家長外，基督徒家長應知道答案)，還有一點點感動，如果打算送孩子入 SPCPS 的家長，不防上一上兩间 "聖保羅"网站的 history 部份，多點"冷"知識都幾好，須然不在 10A 考試範圍。

九华也好，SPC 也好，成績是有滑落，但因有親近的小朋友在学或刚畢业，我敢講兩间学校在"教育人"的本位工作上，没有失职。

講回成績，學生和父母都有責任，如果刚入 JC1，請準備和孩子一起走一条 12 年的漫長成長路。

最後要多提新家長一句，SPC 是不把 10A 當作教育目標的。

作者: HoHoMom 時間: 10-11-27 18:51

Well.....SPC is still a traditional local school. The work, tests and exams aren't always joyrides for every students. Students have to work very hard. Some struggle to keep up academically. And the school cares a lot about discipline as well. So parents still need to consider the ability of their sons before making up their minds.

When I sent my son to SPC, I had every expectation for him to receive the best quality education HK has to offer. So far, I can only be pleased with SPC's ability, sincerity and enthusiam to provide such education in both academic and non-academic aspects. So I never believe SPC's 教育質素 is sub-standard to any schools in HK. I wouldn't have sent my son to SPC otherwise. But of course, the definition of 教育質素 differs when you talk to different people.

"這不知是否部份為仔仔報讀聖保羅男校的家長心聲/寫照 ?" - Definitely not mine.

原帖由 lugano 於 10-11-27 15:32 發表

If you were there last Thursday, you'll know exactly what we are talking about.

Thanks for your sharing about SPC and it reassures my thoughts for sending my kid to this school. I heard good thi ...

作者: 好一個爸爸 時間: 10-11-27 21:26

老實講, 我覺得如果佢o地仔仔一D 廣東話都唔曉, 點過到兩次面試。

我當時感覺, 吹水啦!

成晚得一個家長問到一條 sensible question, 係關於新校址有乜設施.............

作者: diversity 時間: 10-11-27 23:51

呢位白x眼人士, 請你首先攪清楚, SPC was established in 1850, which is the oldest secondary school to commence operation in HK. SPCC 今年是95 anniversary, 你怎可說SPC是掛著個名抽水, 抽迈個水?

你再以套餐價錢去比擬教學質數, again, 以各下的邏輯, 收費越貴=教學質數越高, 咁你是與一般自由行消费者心態看教育, 越貴必是名牌, 請問你對ESF, 新加坡國際, 漢基, Victoria, ISF...... 的教育理念又有幾多了解? 乜佢地收費贵就因為多幾科language揀咩?

你說"每個人心裡都有自己的一把尺, 就如"喇沙"和"陳瑞祺喇沙"一樣 !! 不需多講, 你我亦明白兩間喇沙的分別", 事實2間喇沙都是band1小學, 從你的言語間流露的價值觀, 我覺得陳瑞祺喇沙確是高一班!

"聖保羅男女確實高聖保羅男校好多班馬, 呢個係事實" - 請問高幾多班??

"所以那些家長報得"聖保羅男校", 就不要期望得到"聖保羅男女"的名氣和教育質素 !!" 請問2問St paul的教育質素相差有幾大?相差在那裡?我深信你啓發性的思维必對未來potential applicants大有庇益!

"自知我家不是有錢, 亦非想催谷兒子一星期學十數樣課外活動, 我只想他有個快樂的童年, 愉快地成長, 所以我沒有報考聖保羅男女 !!" - 你怎知在spcc不能令小孩有快樂的童年和愉快地成長, 你去spcc 處睇吓, 大把家長唔係噉睇, 你讀過spcc呀, 定噝這是你另外一些幻想??

咁多間學校都唔合你意, 你所心儀的香港華仁和英皇, mind you, 它们的成績近年亦有所滑落...仲有,你可能有不知, 你'無奈'地選的spcpc程度一点也不低, 不知道它能否使令郎"有個快樂的童年, 愉快地成長" (by your definition).所以你應再三思, spcps是否適合令郎, 耍不是便快快release 個位出來吧!相信有不少人会say thanks to you!!

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作者: oknsca 時間: 10-11-28 00:23

講得好!!!!

原帖由 diversity 於 10-11-27 23:51 發表
呢位白x眼人士, 請你首先攪清楚, SPC was established in 1850, which is the oldest secondary school to commence operation in HK. SPCC 今年是95 anniversary, 你怎可說SPC是掛著個名抽水, 抽迈個水?

你再以套 ...

作者: fredkong01 時間: 10-11-28 00:27 標題: 回覆 1# diversity 的文章

Diversity,

You said exactly what I wanted to tell "lugano". Your comment is 一針見血.

I totally disagree on lugano's comment,

except that 但拜荒謬的香港津貼教育電腦抽獎制度所賜, 家長只能"公平投考" DSS !!

Finally, I believe SPCPS is a First Class Primary School.

Thanks Diversity.

作者: lugano 時間: 10-11-28 01:38

原帖由 diversity 於 10-11-27 23:51 發表

呢位白x眼人士, 請你首先攪清楚, SPC was established in 1850, which is the oldest secondary school to commence operation in HK. SPCC 今年是95 anniversary, 你怎可說SPC是掛著個名抽水, 抽迈個水?

你再以套餐價錢去比擬教學質數, again, 以各下的邏輯, 收費越貴=教學質數越高, 咁你是與一般自由行消费者心態看教育, 越貴必是名牌, 請問你對ESF, 新加坡國際, 漢基, Victoria, ISF...... 的教育理念又有幾多了解? 乜佢地收費贵就因為多幾科language揀咩?
...

其實我文中所說的"那些家長", 就是指那兩位爸爸

呵呵....其實你上星期四有冇出席個簡介會? 你有冇親身聽過那兩位爸爸題問的惹火內容呢? 如沒有...我俾個 Recap 你....okay !

兩位爸爸大概就是在質問陳校長為何在某些科目以廣東話授課, 為何不全面用英文, 質問為何教數學不用英文

(1) 大陸爸爸說: 我在家中只以普通話和英語作交談, 怕兒子不適應

(2) 香港爸爸說: 我在家中只以英語作交談, 怕兒子不適應

我相信報讀得 St Paul's Boys 的家長都知道呢間是傳統學校, 並非國際學校, 坐在我附近的家長登時暗暗跟他的太太說, 他說"多餘, 你估呢間係 St Paul's Co-Ed 定國際學校, 要全英文, 唔好讀 Paul Boys 喇". 這講出我的心聲..... 未幾, 陳校長的回應更是一絕.....

咁你現在明白樓主開呢個 thread 未 ?

[ 本帖最後由 lugano 於 10-11-28 08:41 編輯 ]

作者: diversity 時間: 10-11-28 09:43

原帖由 lugano 於 10-11-28 01:38 發表

其實我文中所說的"那些家長", 就是指那兩位爸爸

呵呵....其實你上星期四有冇出席個簡介會? 你有冇親身聽過那兩位爸爸題問的惹火內容呢? 如沒有...我俾個 Recap 你....okay !

兩位爸爸大概就是在質問陳校長為何在 ...

甚麼xxyyzz爸爸當然可以作自己的提問, 但很请楚在你的文章裡你是用第一身睇法, 特別是by comparing二間喇沙時的看法不可能是弟三者的'看法'. 樓主只是轉述他的所看, 但你就用你自己的一套價值觀去interpret這個现象, 現在又想將個波交番被樓主, 乜原來呢D係LS精神咩!?

作者: diversity 時間: 10-11-28 09:54

原帖由 lugano 於 10-11-28 01:38 發表

其實我文中所說的"那些家長", 就是指那兩位爸爸

呵呵....其實你上星期四有冇出席個簡介會? 你有冇親身聽過那兩位爸爸題問的惹火內容呢? 如沒有...我俾個 Recap 你....okay !

兩位爸爸大概就是、在質問陳校長為何在 ...

啊, 差D漏了一点, for your information, spccps也是中文小學, 所以不要以它學費貴D, 以你的一套消費者理論, 它便一定是全英. 但mind you, spccsc & spcps兩間中文小學的英文程度一D都不比你所quote的VSA, ISF...弱架, 敢唔知你会否稍後又覺得自己執到'平'貨呢!?

[ 本帖最後由 diversity 於 10-11-28 10:19 編輯 ]

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作者: traeh 時間: 10-11-28 21:12

陳校長真係回得好好。

呢對夫婦同lugano所講，就顯出佢地無好好了解人地間學校（甚至自己揀咗嘅呢一間學校）點運作，就去comment。SPCC小學唔係國際學校，好似diversity話齋，同SPCPS一樣係英文水平高嘅中文小學。SPCPS亦未必係人地second choice，你只能話係自己second choice。我識唔少人最心儀係SPCPS。

原帖由 lugano 於 10-11-28 01:38 發表
我相信報讀得 St Paul's Boys 的家長都知道呢間是傳統學校, 並非國際學校, 坐在我附近的家長登時暗暗跟他的太太說, 他說"多餘, 你估呢間係 St Paul's Co-Ed 定國際學校, 要全英文, 唔好讀 Paul Boys 喇". 這講出我的心聲..... 未幾, 陳校長的回應更是一絕.....

作者: siufu 時間: 10-11-28 21:54

lugano 所說的我不願置評, 但其所論應只為其個人意見, 和喇沙有何關係? (先別說他是否真的是 old boy) 我想閣下只因一個 self-claimed LS old boy 的一些不同意見就針對喇沙, 似乎並不比 lugano 強.

原帖由 diversity 於 10-11-28 09:43 發表

甚麼xxyyzz爸爸當然可以作自己的提問, 但很请楚在你的文章裡你是用第一身睇法, 特別是by comparing二間喇沙時的看法不可能是弟三者的'看法'. 樓主只是轉述他的所看, 但你就用你自己的一套價值觀去interpret這個现 ...

作者: lugano 時間: 10-11-29 13:30

原帖由 diversity 於 10-11-27 23:51 發表

呢位白x眼人士, 請你首先攪清楚, SPC was established in 1850, which is the oldest secondary school to commence operation in HK. SPCC 今年是95 anniversary, 你怎可說SPC是掛著個名抽水, 抽迈個水?

你再以套餐價錢去比擬教學質數, again, 以各下的邏輯, 收費越貴=教學質數越高, 咁你是與一般自由行消费者心態看教育, 越貴必是名牌, 請問你對ESF, 新加坡國際, 漢基, Victoria, ISF...... 的教育理念又有幾多了解? 乜佢地收費贵就因為多幾科language揀咩?

你說"每個人心裡都有自己的一把尺, 就如"喇沙"和"陳瑞祺喇沙"一樣 !! 不需多講, 你我亦明白兩間喇沙的分別", 事實2間喇沙都是band1小學, 從你的言語間流露的價值觀, 我覺得陳瑞祺喇沙確是高一班!

"聖保羅男女確實高聖保羅男校好多班馬, 呢個係事實" - 請問高幾多班??

"所以那些家長報得"聖保羅男校", 就不要期望得到"聖保羅男女"的名氣和教育質素 !!"
請問2問St paul的教育質素相差有幾大?相差在那裡?我深信你啓發性的思维必對未來potential applicants大有庇益!

"自知我家不是有錢, 亦非想催谷兒子一星期學十數樣課外活動, 我只想他有個快樂的童年, 愉快地成長, 所以我沒有報考聖保羅男女 !!" - 你怎知在spcc不能令小孩有快樂的童年和愉快地成長, 你去spcc 處睇吓, 大把家長唔係噉睇, 你讀過spcc呀, 定噝這是你另外一些幻想??

咁多間學校都唔合你意, 你所心儀的香港華仁和英皇, mind you, 它们的成績近年亦有所滑落...仲有,你可能有不知, 你'無奈'地選的spcpc程度一点也不低, 不知道它能否使令郎"有個快樂的童年, 愉快地成長" (by your definition).所以你應再三思, spcps是否適合令郎, 耍不是便快快release 個位出來吧!相信有不少人会say thanks to you!!
...

也許我 interpret 錯了那兩位爸爸的竟思, 每人都會用不同角度去看事情, 但請你不要侮辱Lasallian Spirit !!!!!

其實我寫的 comment, 從沒有說過"聖保羅男校"是一間差的名校, SPCPS 當然是一級小學, 我只是指出"聖保羅男女"在港人心目中的名氣/認受性更高的現象

還有, 當時在簡介會除了那兩個爸爸的問題, 另外還有幾個家長都問了一些很 ridiculous 的問題, 如會否教 French 和 Spanish, 很難用筆墨形容當時內心的感覺, 我心裡面只想起三字經

以下是回應 Diversity的 comment

(1) Diversity說: "請你首先攪清楚, SPC was established in 1850, which is the oldest secondary school to commence operation in HK. SPCC 今年是95 anniversary, 你怎可說SPC是掛著個名抽水, 抽迈個水?"

Diversity說: "聖保羅男女確實高聖保羅男校好多班馬, 呢個係事實" - 請問高幾多班??

Diversity說: “請問2問St paul的教育質素相差有幾大?相差在那裡?我深信你啓發性的思维必對未來potential applicants大有庇益!”

回應: 首先我從沒說過什麼抽水與否, 你不要亂扣我帽子, 亂 quote 我, 但作為一個普通香港人"第三者"的看法, "聖保羅男女"的名氣/認受性確實比"聖保羅男校"高, 你可能不服和不信, 我可以幫你在 Baby Kingdom 開個貼問下眾香港家長對呢兩間名校的意見 ??

OR 你試下走訪港九新界, 例如走在中環畢打街/九龍塘又一城商場/中文大學校園, 問問一般香港人, 那一間聖保羅相對出名, 我估計大部份都會說是"聖保羅男女"

我重申, 我沒有說"聖保羅男校"不好, 你我為小朋友報讀得, 當然是一間好好的名校, 只是"聖保羅男女"在家長的認受性中更高

舉個例子, 英超中的曼聯和曼城都掛著 Manchester 個名, 兩支都是星級球隊, 但球迷心目中對愛隊應該有不客觀的看法, 引用你的"第三者看法", 你試下問一個 "非英超非曼聯" 和 "非英超非曼城" 的球迷, 那一支球隊比較出名一點, 我估計大部份都會認為曼聯比曼城優勝

[ 本帖最後由 lugano 於 10-11-29 17:36 編輯 ]

作者: lugano 時間: 10-11-29 13:31

原帖由 diversity 於 10-11-27 23:51 發表
你再以套餐價錢去比擬教學質數, again, 以各下的邏輯, 收費越貴=教學質數越高, 咁你是與一般自由行消费者心態看教育, 越貴必是名牌, 請問你對ESF, 新加坡國際, 漢基, Victoria, ISF...... 的教育理念又有幾多了解? 乜佢地收費贵就因為多幾科language揀咩?

你說"每個人心裡都有自己的一把尺, 就如"喇沙"和"陳瑞祺喇沙"一樣 !! 不需多講, 你我亦明白兩間喇沙的分別", 事實2間喇沙都是band1小學, 從你的言語間流露的價值觀, 我覺得陳瑞祺喇沙確是高一班!

"自知我家不是有錢, 亦非想催谷兒子一星期學十數樣課外活動, 我只想他有個快樂的童年, 愉快地成長, 所以我沒有報考聖保羅男女 !!" - 你怎知在spcc不能令小孩有快樂的童年和愉快地成長, 你去spcc 處睇吓, 大把家長唔係噉睇, 你讀過spcc呀, 定噝這是你另外一些幻想??

咁多間學校都唔合你意, 你所心儀的香港華仁和英皇, mind you, 它们的成績近年亦有所滑落...仲有,你可能有不知, 你'無奈'地選的spcpc程度一点也不低, 不知道它能否使令郎"有個快樂的童年, 愉快地成長" (by your definition). ...

(2) Diversity說
“你再以套餐價錢去比擬教學質數, again, 以各下的邏輯, 收費越貴=教學質數越高, 咁你是與一般自由行消费者心態看教育, 越貴必是名牌, 請問你對ESF, 新加坡國際, 漢基, Victoria, ISF...... 的教育理念又有幾多了解? 乜佢地收費贵就因為多幾科language揀咩?”

回應: 首先你完全沒有看清楚我的內文, 就亂發言, 你又亂 Quote 我, 我從沒有說過收費越貴=教學質數越高, 相反, 我文中都說最想為兒子報免費的 St. Joseph’s, 但拜荒謬的香港津貼教育電腦抽獎計分制度所賜, 考都冇得考, 收先得架 !!

我 Day 1為兒子報聖保羅男校就已經知道是一間傳統小學, 所以完全沒有如那兩位 "只用英文跟小孩交談" 的爸爸不設實際的幻想, 他們的問題確是希望聖保羅男校能全面用英文教

我的回應很簡單, 邏輯推論 common sense, 如果此兩位爸爸要小孩在學校得到"全英文" + "全普通話" 的教育 + 學校教西班牙文, 法文?……我第一時間想到為何他會選擇聖保羅男校 !! 為何不選IB/國際學校 or 聖保羅男女(註: 聖保羅男女中學部有西班牙文, 法文的語言科目 offer, 而聖保羅男校中學部暫時沒有), 這個道理簡單得很, 與你說的收費越貴=教學質數越高, 完全無關 !!

至於你質問我對ESF, 新加坡國際, 漢基, Victoria, ISF 的教育理念又有幾多研究和了解...... 講真不多, 小弟不敢班門弄斧....但我只知道要全英文+全普通話教育+學外語, 只有這一類IB/國際學校才有

舉個例, 就如呢兩位爸爸行入一間港式燒臘店, 然後問個東主, 我個仔仔要食西班牙乳豬, 法式乳豬, 點解你間店只賣港式乳豬 ?.....我諗所有人都識叫那兩位家長去搵間正宗西餐廳食喇, 呢個完全係 common sense 的問題, 幾歲小孩都識回答.......亦不需對西班牙燒豬, 法式燒豬有深入研究和了解

如果那兩位爸爸期望一間傳統小學能提供全英文, 又要以普通話取代廣東話, 又要學校教西班牙文, 法文, 聖保羅男校真得不適合他們....... 兩位爸爸真的要花點錢讀國際學校, 因更實在, 也可學多點語言, 更適合他們的小孩身心發展....貴一點都值得 (我說的俾多點學費, 就可以在理想的環境下得到多一點教育質素, 正正就是這意思)

再舉個例, 就如兩位爸爸買碗雲吞麵吃, 你我都知一碗麵得幾粒雲吞, 但爸爸們質問東主為何我付一碗雲吞麵的價錢, 貴店沒有免費加送埋牛丸+牛腩+魚蛋, 爸爸說自己在家煮麵時會落埋呢 3 樣餸, 點解你貴店冇送架 ?........

Diversity 你現在明白嗎? 我從沒有如你說 "以套餐價錢去比擬教學質數, 收費越貴=教學質數越高, 越貴必是名牌"....

係你 get 錯左我意思, 我只相信做人不要有過份的期望/幻想, 公平點, You pay what you get, 所以我問左你幾次你有冇出席個簡介會, 有冇親身聽過那兩個爸爸發問的荒謬問題架 ?

(3) Diversity說: 你說"每個人心裡都有自己的一把尺, 就如"喇沙"和"陳瑞祺喇沙"一樣 !! 不需多講, 你我亦明白兩間喇沙的分別", 事實2間喇沙都是band1小學, 從你的言語間流露的價值觀, 我覺得陳瑞祺喇沙確是高一班!

回應: 兩間都是很好的學校, 但一定有分別, 本人亦可以幫手在 Baby Kingdom 開個貼問下眾家長那一間喇沙比較出名 ? OR 你亦不況走訪港九新界, 試問一下途人, 測試下認受性, 那一間比較出名 ?

如果 (我是說如果), 我真心相信如果你的兒子同獲此兩間學校取錄, 你會真心放棄喇沙而選擇陳瑞祺喇沙……你講, 我真係信架 !!

你說你覺得陳瑞祺喇沙確是高喇沙一班, 我尊重你的獨特見解, 真的很.... 欽敬欽敬 !! 但我不認同你的想法

(4) Diversity說: "自知我家不是有錢, 亦非想催谷兒子一星期學十數樣課外活動, 我只想他有個快樂的童年, 愉快地成長, 所以我沒有報考聖保羅男女 !!" - 你怎知在spcc不能令小孩有快樂的童年和愉快地成長, 你去spcc 處睇吓, 大把家長唔係噉睇, 你讀過spcc呀, 定噝這是你另外一些幻想??

回應: 我講得出我的感受, 當然有做過分析, 當然不是幻想, 那有家長會用幻想去決定小朋友的教育, 我有朋友的仔女在聖保羅男女就讀, 但眼見他們真的把小朋友催谷得很厲害, 學校的功課壓力真的不少, 相反, 我也有朋友的仔女在聖保羅男校就讀, 當然聖保羅男校的壓力也不輕, 但看得出他們的壓力相對較少

我真的不想催谷兒子一星期學十數樣課外活動 (沒有這樣的錢和時間), 我只想他有個快樂的童年, 愉快地成長

(5) Diversity說: “咁多間學校都唔合你意, 你所心儀的香港華仁和英皇, mind you, 它们的成績近年亦有所滑落”

回應: 你有沒有看清楚我內文的意思, 我的意思是說拜荒謬的香港津貼教育電腦抽獎制度所賜, 家長只能"公平投考" DSS 類別的學校

還有我沒有說過"咁多間學校都唔合意", 請不要亂作,
我文中都說都想為兒子考 St. Joseph’s, 華仁, 但津貼小學並不設有公平投考的機制

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作者: backtohome2005 時間: 10-11-29 20:41

[Ｔｅｒｅｓａ，

我去完個介紹會，直頭封左陳校長為偶像，介紹會的詳情不需多說，總言之陳校長是一個實事求是的人，從她答覆那兩位爸爸的內容及風範，令我覺得她是一位令人佩服的教育工作者！

至於對那兩位九唔搭八的提問者，我只為於ｗａｉｔｉｎｇｌｉｓｔ上的小朋友及家長不值，真想對他們說〝唔好浪費大家及學校Ｄ時間ｌａ，如果連ＳＰＣ是中小都唔知就亂報的話，請檢討下ｌａ，如果要ｓｈｏｗｏｆｆ就更無謂Ｉａ，無人覺得你勁，只有覺得你好無聊！〞、、、、、講完，，，，，，舒服曬！]原帖由 Teresa 於 10-11-26 23:26 發表

陳校長好野!!!!!!!!!!!!!

當年我比個仔入SPC既決定係正確架!

全場家長都聽到陳校長咁講, 有冇家長拍手呀? [/quote]

作者: 好一個爸爸 時間: 10-11-29 21:39

尼到無拍手啊! 因為十個爸媽, 至少九個都覺佢o地玩o野。

但講到何謂 4 個 good passes (升SPC F.1 要求), 佢話不能一概而論, 但如果囝囝四科 70分, 中學部都唔肯收, 佢會親自幫我o地叩門求情................講到尼到, 人人

作者: PoorParent 時間: 10-11-29 22:11

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作者: ukodelechan 時間: 10-11-29 22:20

其實我覺得係公眾場合討論都要付上責任，唔好胡亂將自己的意見發表，誤導他人。
我認為邊間聖保羅好根本家長自己有眼見，唔需要任何人帶有個人色彩地評論，再加上我唔覺得任何人會以聖保羅男校當做聖保羅男女，什至話沾聖保羅光。

如果身為家長，自己都唔鐘意間學校，唔欣賞間學校，什至唔覺得學校最好，一定唔會配合學校。。。加上我相信這些有一定名氣，傳統同支持者的學校，都好有spirit.唔支持，認同學校的根本沒有資格去讀。

每間名校都有唔同的評論，比較，但又要有好多人報，我好唔明白家長的心態為何要這樣。。。

作者: fredkong01 時間: 10-11-29 23:13 標題: 回覆 2# PoorParent 的文章

Yes, I want to know this as well. Thanks.

作者: puzzledmama 時間: 10-11-30 00:26

What a statement: "....... SPCC students .....Japanese style polite..... bow at 90 degrees....... "

As a matter of courtesy and respect for the kids studying there, please do not give such a "special description" on them!

Personally, I really appreciate their politeness and tradition in today's world.

原帖由 PoorParent 於 10-11-28 15:42 發表
Evolution of BK Parents' mind set:
1. Before & during interview: want to be offered a seat only, never think of demand from school or express to school their demand, dare not to express own feeling of ...

作者: 上甘嶺 時間: 10-11-30 00:31

lugano,
純綷路過
好認同你的講法
我不認識SPC及 SPCC.
從你的文字, 看得出你不是"因有兒女在某校讀書而盲目死撐"的出發點. 你的比喻也很棒, 尤其曼聯Vs曼城

不過也希望你明白, 有些曼城die hard fans不會認為曼聯球員腳法是好過受歡迎過曼城的, 即使做晒街頭問卷調查!!

原帖由 lugano 於 10-11-29 13:30 發表

也許我 interpret 錯了那兩位爸爸的竟思, 每人都會用不同角度去看事情, 但請你不要侮辱Lasallian Spirit !!!!!

其實我寫的 comment, 從沒有說過"聖保羅男校"是一間差的名校, SPCPS 當然是一級小學, 我只是指出" ...

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作者: No.Three 時間: 10-11-30 00:49

agree

我不是曼聯迷, 也不是曼城迷.
但我是利迷.

原帖由 上甘嶺 於 10-11-30 00:31 發表
lugano,
純綷路過
好認同你的講法
我不認識st paul boys 及 st paul's co.,
從你的文字, 看得出你不是"因有兒女在某校讀書而盲目死撐"的出發點. 你的比喻也很棒, 尤其曼聯Vs曼城
不過也希望你明白, 有些曼 ...

[ 本帖最後由 No.Three 於 10-11-30 00:54 編輯 ]

作者: 上甘嶺 時間: 10-11-30 01:11

我是球迷

原帖由 No.Three 於 10-11-30 00:49 發表
agree

我不是曼聯迷, 也不是曼城迷.
但我是利迷.

作者: LittleKidult 時間: 10-11-30 01:16

原帖由 PoorParent 於 10-11-27 12:39 發表
非常同意!!
但要知世事如成績是有上有落的
香港第一個, 亦是當年唯一的9A狀元是九龍華仁於 1970-80s 年代的, 當年全港排名首三名: QC>QE>WYK (九華第三)
最後10A已是2002-03的事.

St Paul Boys 1985-90年, 每年出1 ...

雖然係直資, 但兩年幾前spc (中學)都重有參與統一派位, 唔知而家重有冇參與..........

作者: backtohome2005 時間: 10-11-30 09:40

原帖由 好一個爸爸 於 10-11-29 21:39 發表
尼到無拍手啊! 因為十個爸媽, 至少九個都覺佢o地玩o野。

但講到何謂 4 個 good passes (升SPC F.1 要求), 佢話不能一概而論, 但如果囝囝四科 70分, 中學部都唔肯收, 佢會親自幫我o地叩門求情................講到尼 ...

到目前對止，從各位準或現ＳＰＣ家長的言論，我感覺到各位非常了解自己對ＳＰＣ的期望，就是對子女〝全人〞發展，道德培養，正確價值觀比甚麼１０Ａ、英文水平都重要，看完各位ＳＰＣ之友的討論｟加上ＢｒｉｅｆｉｎＳｅｓｓｉｏｎ後對陳校長的信任｠，令我感覺仔仔能在這學校成長｟不是純粹讀書咁簡單｠，真是十分幸福，自己相應責任更重了，要和學校一起努力培養孩子成為對人對事都負責的人。

作者: YuHangMum 時間: 10-11-30 11:43

2010年9月學期開始再沒有參與統一派位!

原帖由 LittleKidult 於 10-11-30 01:16 發表

雖然係直資, 但兩年幾前spc (中學)都重有參與統一派位, 唔知而家重有冇參與..........

作者: lugano 時間: 10-11-30 12:34

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原帖由 ukodelechan 於 10-11-29 22:20 發表

其實我覺得係公眾場合討論都要付上責任，唔好胡亂將自己的意見發表，誤導他人。

我認為邊間聖保羅好根本家長自己有眼見，唔需要任何人帶有個人色彩地評論，再加上我唔覺得任何人會以聖保羅男校當做聖保羅男女，什至話沾聖保羅光。

如果身為家長，自己都唔鐘意間學校，唔欣賞間學校，什至唔覺得學校最好，一定唔會配合學校。。。加上我相信這些有一定名氣，傳統同支持者的學校，都好有spirit.唔支持，唔認同學校的根本沒有資格去讀。

每間名校都有唔同的評論，比較，但又要有好多人報，我好唔明白家長的心態為何要這樣。。。

(1) Ukodelechan 說:  "其實我覺得係公眾場合討論都要付上責任，唔好胡亂將自己的意見發表，誤導他人。"

Ukodelechan 說:  "每間名校都有唔同的評論，比較，但又要有好多人報，我好唔明白家長的心態為何要這樣。。。"

回應: 我相信上得 Baby Kingdom 這個公眾平台的家長都是成年人, 都有自己的分析能力, 唔係未成年, 所以我對你說的"公眾場合討論都要付上責任"真的莫明其妙, 我就睇唒 Baby Kingdom Disclaimer (請參考下面個 link)先開戶註策, 你呢?

http://www.baby-kingdom.com/disclaimer.php

再者, 我覺得你的用詞很有趣, 你說的"誤導", 何謂"誤", 何謂"導"? 我的言論極其量是發表意見

你我為兒子報讀的"聖保羅男校", 我不下說過很多次是一間很好的名校 !!! 但個人推斷"聖保羅男女"在大部份香港家長的心目中的認受性更高, 更出名, 這是一個港人意識型態, 一個港式 phenomenon, 並無不妥, 這是"香港大眾喜歡作比較"的獨特社會文化, 你我活於當下都很無奈……

(2) Ukodelechan 說:  "如果身為家長，自己都唔鐘意間學校，唔欣賞間學校，什至唔覺得學校最好，一定唔會配合學校。。。加上我相信這些有一定名氣，傳統同支持者的學校，都好有spirit. 唔支持，唔認同學校的根本沒有資格去讀。"

回應: 你我都是聖保羅男校的家長, 當然支持, 鐘意和欣賞間學校, 很多父母和我都在此貼講過很欣賞陳校長當日的回答, 我也絕對相信和支持陳校長的教學理念

但為何你的思維是除了要鐘意和欣賞間學校之外, 你認為要"覺得聖保羅男校是最好的, 才可配合學校方向, 唔認同就根本沒有資格去讀", 我覺得你這樣的思維很奇異…  ????

舉個例, Aston Martin 和 Jaguar 都是兩個出名的汽車品牌, 有一日發夢, 李嘉誠說一定要送其中一部車給我, 叫我點都要選擇一部, 我都知道 Aston Martin 係更出名, 但就算誠哥送部給我, 我衡量過, 維修貴, 保費貴, 油費貴, 無福消受, 高攀唔起….. 如果一定要選擇, 我自己只敢諗 Jaguar.....這是我的選擇

有時你我都知道某些東西是更好, 更出名的, 但經過分析和考慮後, 最好的反而未必適合自己實際需要, 真的寧願選擇次一點的選擇, 起碼用家角度, 揸得舒服, 用得開心, 坐得安心, 這正正是我的看法

又借個位講下笑, 我都希望有一日李嘉誠真的送部車給我..... TOYOTA PICNIC 得架喇, 不過發夢冇咁早

[ 本帖最後由 lugano 於 10-11-30 13:41 編輯 ]

作者: diversity 時間: 10-11-30 13:46

Well, orginally I have no intention to reply you anymore. But to respect your patience & time in responding, I feel obliged to make some feedback.First, I note you have a special interest of making analogy by paring things up. Up to this moment, you are still comparing the different 'grading' of schools according to your own set of value system. What put me off most is you are comparing your 'so claimed' alma mata with the other one with similar names. Both are band 1 schools, how can you be so conceit in implying the status of one is more superior than the other. I still hold true, at least up to the present moment, that you are a 白x眼person. You are also making comparison between the other 2 st pauls. In your reply, you still keep on weighting the 2. You need to be sure it is YOU who induced the comparison and not me. So funny!!
I am busy right now and have no sufficient time in reading your colourful replies, what football teams and noodles...etc etc. But in view of your continuous interests & the support from another 新加入国民, I feel the urge of pushing me to reply again here.
p.s.
a) You don't need to keep on editing your previous messages. Your editing only reveals the weak parts of your thoughts.
b) I have no intention to mention all the names of spcc & LS etc. These names are only in response to the QUOTE from the 'self-claimed' old boy of one of them. Would parents of these 2 schools pls excuse me if I have made any offend here.

作者: lugano 時間: 10-11-30 14:30

原帖由 diversity 於 10-11-30 13:46 發表

Well, orginally I have no intention to reply you anymore. But to respect your patience & time in responding, I feel obliged to make some feedback.First, I note you have a special interest of making a ...

seemingly interesting reply......
I like your attitude and you've earned my respect... anyways, don't take it too serious dude

作者: diversity 時間: 10-11-30 14:43

原帖由 lugano 於 10-11-30 14:30 發表

seemingly interesting reply......
I like your attitude and you've earned my respect... anyways, don't take it too serious dude

For your information, I am a woman. Don't call me 'dude'. This, to a certain extent, has reflected your pre-conceived attitude on things. Anyway, I think I should stop here. Wish your son a happy life in spcps.

作者: lugano 時間: 10-11-30 14:55

原帖由 diversity 於 10-11-30 14:43 發表

For your information, I am a woman. Don't call me 'dude'. This, to a certain extent, has reflected your pre-conceived attitude on things. Anyway, I think I should stop here. Wish your son a happy lif ...

okay okay.....sorry ma'am....my apology

作者: motherotk 時間: 10-11-30 16:26

I like the word "diversity" which I really hope that the schools in HK are able to address this value in our education system....

I came from a very traditional "elite" school in Hong Kong long time ago, I can understand parents of my generation have been "shaped" by this kind of "elite" culture.... including myself... that I was not aware of that and I used to see myself as "higher" than others...of course when you grow up, you learned that this is very "stupid" and "disastrous"
I really hope that the value of "diversity" will be practised in our education system and our kids will be more aware of not to put "prejudices" & "discriminations" on people that are different from them or to have "classism"...and we are able to differentiate or identify which message or which kind of practice is "discriminative" and full of prejudice!!

In this forum, I have observed that people are not aware that they had conveyed the "discriminative and prejudices" messages on certain groups of people that are different from them!! They don't have this awareness!

原帖由 diversity 於 10-11-27 23:51 發表
呢位白x眼人士, 請你首先攪清楚, SPC was established in 1850, which is the oldest secondary school to commence operation in HK. SPCC 今年是95 anniversary, 你怎可說SPC是掛著個名抽水, 抽迈個水?

你再以套 ...

[ 本帖最後由 motherotk 於 10-11-30 16:27 編輯 ]

作者: lugano 時間: 10-11-30 17:24

原帖由 motherotk 於 10-11-30 16:26 發表
I like the word "diversity" which I really hope that the schools in HK are able to address this value in our education system....

I came from a very traditional "elite" school in Hong Kong long time ...

Words of wisdom...
R.E.S.P.E.C.T

作者: ukodelechan 時間: 10-11-30 17:31

首先，我要澄清我不是任何一間聖保羅的家長，所以無謂你你我我啦。
我只係覺得公道自在人心，有好多新任爸爸媽媽都唔清楚各間學校的，無謂講錯，等人有錯的觀念。

另外，我好同意有一位話他不斷重複，不斷比較。他的熱誠令我無法相信他竟然係其中學校的家長，我也同意前面幾位話覺得waiting list的而真正喜愛學校的唔抵。

作者: season_sincere 時間: 10-11-30 17:37

I wonder why were there such a debate here regarding the two schools. Although non of my children is studying in the mentioned schools, I believe that both are good schools and there is not really such a need to compare the two schools.

And I think that it's true that everyone has their own preference in commenting, so sometimes we do have to think critically before actually believing.

作者: lugano 時間: 10-11-30 18:10

純粹分享, 不喜勿插, 我在另一個 BK 的貼, 貼名 “St Paul Boy vs 高主教”

http://forum.edu-kingdom.com/vie ... tra=page%3D3&page=4

貼內看到有家長 post了聖保羅男校中學部升大學的成績 (2009 to 2010 Form. 7) 和評論, 看後都有點兒那個, 主觀願望希望將來聖保羅男校整體有所提升, 因為我相信今日 behind 唔緊要, 只要肯努力, 將來一定會進步 (See Pg. 29頁)

http://www.spc.edu.hk/docs/news_from_spc_10.pdf

Total : 71人 (2009 to 2010 form. 7 學年)

入讀八大(港/中/科/理/浸/城/嶺大/樹仁) 有 26人 (36.6%)
入讀海外大學有 12人 (16.9%)
入讀Asso / High Dip有 33人 (46.5%)

原帖由 kitshek 於 10-11-29 02:19 發表

點解仲有咁多人覺得 Paul Boy係 Dream School？

無錯，Paul Boy個名以前係好響，但而家中學部成績真係跌到慘不忍睹，你睇睇佢自己公佈嘅 2009年入大學成績：

http://www.spc.edu.hk/docs/news_from_spc_10.pdf (29頁)

入讀六大(港、中、科、理、浸、城)加嶺大只有33.8%，屬 Band 2中等水平。唔好以為係因為好多人去外國升學，因為六成幾人要讀Asso / High Dip.

單計中西區排尾四，唔好話高主教，聖類斯都開始拋離佢，Paul Boy而家只係好過聖士提反堂同樂善堂等Band 3學校。 ...

[ 本帖最後由 lugano 於 10-11-30 18:14 編輯 ]

作者: fredkong01 時間: 10-11-30 21:38 標題: 回覆 1# lugano 的文章

hi lugano,

As I said before, I totally agreed with "diversity"

and totally disagreed on your opinion

except the point on the government education system.

When I read up to your message up to 14:55, I thought you knew what's wrong already and I didn't think of replying.

However, I saw your statistics of SPC in at least 2 topics in BK.  I cannot stop myself in replying.

Shall I thank you for your stat information? Why are you comparing the information for the secondary schools?  Is your son going to Form 1 in 2011?

We all noticed that the academic result of St. Paul's college (secondary section) has been dropping in the past few years. However, I do admit that the primary section is good, we cannot ensure what it will happen after 12 years, the performance of secondary section  will increase (or might drop) after 12 years.

What we focus on at this moment is "primary section is good".

I think it's time for us to stop and close this topic.

Thanks.
Fredkong01

作者: PoorParent 時間: 10-12-1 01:40

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作者: blue-blue 時間: 10-12-1 07:41

原帖由 siufu 於 10-11-28 21:54 發表
lugano 所說的我不願置評, 但其所論應只為其個人意見, 和喇沙有何關係? (先別說他是否真的是 old boy) 我想閣下只因一個 self-claimed LS old boy 的一些不同意見就針對喇沙, 似乎並不比 lugano 強.

...

唔夠人講就侮辱人家母校, 低下手法!!過後當若無其事, 唔曉道歉, 高低立見!

作者: Camom 時間: 10-12-1 08:13

原帖由 PoorParent 於 10-12-1 01:40 發表
May be we should focus on more constructive issue for our kids, i.e.future education/ ECA in SPCPS & the aspiration of the new campus, right?
All replies reveal me SPCPS' Parents are all well educate ...

Agree! Let's share more constructive info of SPCPS!

We talked to a P6 boy on the briefing session day and found that he's very polite, "pure" and presentable (just right at his age, not too 老積).  That's the style that I want my boy to be.

He said they have 6-9 pcs of homework everyday (include corrections) and he spends about 2.5 hours on doing it.  Sometimes he can finish some during 轉堂時間.  He said there'll be less homework for P1 boys.

One of my friends whose boy is P1 now telling me that the greatest challenge for his son is English comprehension (complete sentences are required) & English GS.  There's unseen Chinese dictation already (not yet for English).  Also, they have Chinese & English compositions at the beginning of the school term already.

[ 本帖最後由 Camom 於 10-12-1 08:17 編輯 ]

作者: backtohome2005 時間: 10-12-1 09:58

原帖由 PoorParent 於 10-12-1 01:40 發表
May be we should focus on more constructive issue for our kids, i.e.future education/ ECA in SPCPS & the aspiration of the new campus, right?
All replies reveal me SPCPS' Parents are all well educate ...

Yes,yes,yes. Stop the debate and focus on constructive issue as we all love our buys so much. Although, I am not well-educated but I would like to share with you (as well as Teresa' view in educating our SPC boys). (Many thanks to Teresa' encouragement for me and my husband 2 months age )

作者: PoorParent 時間: 10-12-1 10:13

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作者: Camom 時間: 10-12-1 10:28

原帖由 PoorParent 於 10-12-1 10:13 發表
That P6 boy alone (1 boy band) could face & answer all (~>30) questions from ~10 adults surrounding in circle continuously. He kept replying with his logical sense & comments without any dead air.
S ...

You're one of the parents talking to the boy also? I don't know whether he just passed by or was assigned to mingle with the potential parents. I arrived at about 5:40pm that day and already saw him talking to a couple. Remember he said, "I need to go now as the briefing session is about to begin" by the time we were allowed to enter the assembly hall? I thought we might see him again inside the hall for some sharing but not finally.

作者: PoorParent 時間: 10-12-1 10:41

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作者: Teresa 時間: 10-12-1 11:40

原帖由 Camom 於 10-12-1 10:28 發表

You're one of the parents talking to the boy also? I don't know whether he just passed by or was assigned to mingle with the potential parents. I arrived at about 5:40pm that day and already saw h ...

Are u talking about the boy with a blue school bag?
He is probably my son! He told me that he was surrounded by a couple asking him Qs re: SPC - school facilities, school activities etc. Then, more and more parents came to ask him. He said he seemed to be a 導賞員of the school as he described.
If so, a bit comfort to me as I was quite worry if he could give accruate and truthful information to other parents.

作者: Teresa 時間: 10-12-1 11:44

To clarify, he is NOT assigned by the school to mingle into potential parents! That is just a coincidence that he passed by, for he was kept by the teacher for "extra tutorial" that evening!

作者: PoorParent 時間: 10-12-1 11:52

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作者: lugano 時間: 10-12-1 11:53

原帖由 PoorParent
於 10-12-1 01:40 發表
May be we should focus on more constructive issue for our kids, i.e.future education/ ECA in SPCPS & the aspiration of the new campus, right?
All replies reveal me SPCPS' Parents are all well educate ...

原帖由 fredkong01
於 10-11-30 21:38 發表
hi lugano,

As I said before, I totally agreed with "diversity" and totally disagreed on your opinion except the point on the government education system.

When I read up to your messa ...

原帖由 backtohome2005
於 10-12-1 09:58 發表

Yes,yes,yes. Stop the debate and focus on constructive issue as we all love our buys so much. Although, I am not well-educated but I would like to share with you (as well as Teresa' view in educati ...

原帖由 Camom
於 10-12-1 08:13 發表

Agree! Let's share more constructive info of SPCPS!

We talked to a P6 boy on the briefing session day and found that he's very polite, "pure" and presentable (just right at his age, not too 老積). ...

首先跟樓主 PoorParent 說句打攪唒, 萬分對不起

當我留第一個 post 的時候, 我腦海裡重複那晚簡介會上那兩位爸爸的言論, 心裡有著莫明的討厭, 所以我留言時可能比較偏激, 詞不達意, 萬分對不起, 當 Diversity女士出第一個回應時, 縱使她 get 錯左我文中的意思, 我無意繼續爭論, 我就迅速回應, 並把個內客回歸/專注回樓主個題目

本來亦無意跟她繼續, 點知她接二連三連續再出兩個回應, 其中一句牽涉到侮辱小弟母校喇沙的精神, 作為一個 Old Boy, 這涉及到一間學校的榮辱和辨學團體修士們背後天主教理念, 於是我才作出一個全面的回應

我重申, 心水清的都知我所有言論, 從來都只提及大眾對學校的名氣/認受性的比較, 有一點事情我亦想攪清楚, 我從來都沒有講過我自己叻過邊個邊個, 要知道天外有天, 人外有人, 更加沒有存在某學校所有學生比另一學校的所有學生叻

每一位都優勝過別人? 有冇可能 ? 我地都係大人, 有獨立分析能力, 名校都有全級考第尾, 正如你我都唔相信每一個聖保羅男女學生都優勝過所有聖保羅男校學生喇

最後, 我願跟樓主, Fredkong01, Backtohome2005, Camom 家長一樣, 一起講下未來大家將會在SPCPS 新學年面對的事情, 這樣實在得多, Diversity女士, 我願意伸出友誼之手

其實我都很有興趣請教才思敏捷的 Diversity 女士, 未知你師承那一間學校 ? (真心問)

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作者: PoorParent 時間: 10-12-1 11:57

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作者: Camom 時間: 10-12-1 12:08

原帖由 Teresa 於 10-12-1 11:40 發表

Are u talking about the boy with a blue school bag?
He is probably my son! He told me that he was surrounded by a couple asking him Qs re: SPC - school facilities, school activities etc. Then, more ...

Hi Teresa,

I don't see his schoolbag...he's wearing whole set of school uniform (with blue coat)...not too tall and looks chubby. My son likes him very much too and said, "嗰個哥哥介紹得好好！". I'm proud of you if that's your son!

作者: Teresa 時間: 10-12-1 12:36

原帖由 Camom 於 10-12-1 12:08 發表

Hi Teresa,

I don't see his schoolbag...he's wearing whole set of school uniform (with blue coat)...not too tall and looks chubby. My son likes him very much too and said, "嗰個哥哥介紹得好好！". I' ...

Your description matches with my son's appearance.

作者: HuiTung 時間: 10-12-1 17:04

原帖由 Teresa 於 10-12-1 12:36 發表

Your description matches with my son's appearance.

Teresa,
師兄好叻仔呀!

作者: fredkong01 時間: 10-12-1 21:10 標題: 回覆 5# lugano 的文章

Good. Let's share.

BTW, any current parents in SPCPS know that the swimming pool and roof garden will be built or not?

Many thanks,
Fredkong01

作者: HuiTung 時間: 10-12-2 10:44

原帖由 fredkong01 於 10-12-1 21:10 發表
Good. Let's share.

BTW, any current parents in SPCPS know that the swimming pool and roof garden will be built or not?

Many thanks,
Fredkong01

關於泳池, 如無記錯, 在最近一期的newsletter裏曾略略提過, 大意是仍待一些款項去做. 如有錯請指正.

作者: lugano 時間: 10-12-2 11:18

原帖由 fredkong01 於 10-12-1 21:10 發表
Good. Let's share.

BTW, any current parents in SPCPS know that the swimming pool and roof garden will be built or not?

Many thanks,
Fredkong01

原帖由 HuiTung 於 10-12-2 10:44 發表

關於泳池, 如無記錯, 在最近一期的newsletter裏曾略略提過, 大意是仍待一些款項去做. 如有錯請指正.

Hi FredKong01 and HuiTung.... I have the SPCPS 2010 July Newsletter hard-copy in front of me, I quote directly from it

".......Thoughts are now being put forth to plan for a green roof and a swimming pool. As you may see, some of these facilities are above standard provision, so we need extra funding to realise the plans. Success in attaining our goals depends on your generous support. I invite you to make a donation to the St. Paul's College Foundation to show your love and lasting care to the school......." By Mrs Yvonne Chan, Headmistress

Hope this helps.......maybe we need generous help from Sir Li Ka-Shing....LOL....thanks

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作者: majacob 時間: 10-12-6 10:14

asked a SPCPS parent (親戚) about the roof garden and swimming pool, he said no more updates in the latest newsletter

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