教育王國
標題: 德望的19宗違規, 這負面新聞，會影響其幼稚園嗎？ [打印本頁]
作者: KY_Lo 時間: 10-11-25 12:19 標題: 德望的19宗違規, 這負面新聞，會影響其幼稚園嗎？
德望的19宗違規, 這負面新聞，會影響其幼稚園嗎？
作者: ricefamily 時間: 10-11-25 12:53
歛財學校, 無奈有很多家長願意奉獻..!!
香港的教育制度, 令現今為人父母的, 當真的不易...!!
作者: B.B.BaBa 時間: 10-11-25 13:36
講緊的係直資的中學部，怎可能會影響幼稚園呢？
作者: Joshua_BB 時間: 10-11-25 13:47
我唸就未必會有影響, 之前York果單收錢入教風波, 都唔覺少左人報讀丫.
作者: mimimomo6 時間: 10-11-25 14:43
原帖由 KY_Lo 於 10-11-25 12:19 發表 
德望的19宗違規, 這負面新聞，會影響其幼稚園嗎？
那是中學部, 十幾年後, 要執咩都問題都執返正喇, 全港 7X 間直資都有違規問題, 我認為冇咩理由會影響到幼稚園呵
作者: DaisyDaisy 時間: 10-11-25 15:49
Agree! Just chated with some friend in this few day. His view was that it was nothing wrong as long as parent would be willing to pay. Note: his daughter was just admitted by a famous DSS in the coming year.
No matter how these DSS made the public and collected school fee fund so macy, those who would send their kids to the school would not mind and think there is anything wrong for the school. School Business is not related to education standard.
原帖由 ricefamily 於 10-11-25 12:53 發表
歛財學校, 無奈有很多家長願意奉獻..!!
香港的教育制度, 令現今為人父母的, 當真的不易...!!
作者: 仔仔錫錫你 時間: 10-11-25 19:02
唔歛財, 邊有$再開辦kg?!?
作者: fishballbaby 時間: 10-11-25 19:15
其實好多學校未一樣，只係YORK做得唔夠聰明。
我都覺得冇影响呀，仲有大把家長想入德望和其他直資。
原帖由 Joshua_BB 於 10-11-25 13:47 發表
我唸就未必會有影響, 之前York果單收錢入教風波, 都唔覺少左人報讀丫.
[ 本帖最後由 fishballbaby 於 10-11-25 19:18 編輯 ]
作者: sharon26788 時間: 10-11-25 19:15
我覺得一定唔會影響收生,A生唔去考一定仲有B,C,D....等緊去考,仲多左機會添.
作者: MyAshley 時間: 10-11-25 20:59
我唸以下違規既學校都不乏家長心目中既名校, 一個唔讀大把人排住隊去讀!
結論係無影響~
直資學校罪狀
（括號內為被批評問題見＊）
佛教筏可紀念中學（ 3,4）、明愛華德中書院（ 2,3,4,5）
中華基督教會公理高中書院（ 3,4,5）、中華基督教青年會中學（ 2,4）
陳樹渠紀念中學（ 2,5）、中聖書院（ 3,4,5）
啟思中學（ 3,4,5）、地利亞（閩僑）英文小學（ 3,4,5）
地利亞修女紀念學校（百老匯）（ 2,5）、地利亞修女紀念學校（吉利徑）（ 2,3,5）
地利亞修女紀念學校（協和）（ 2,3,5）、地利亞修女紀念學校（利瑪竇）（ 2,3,5）
地利亞修女紀念學校（月華）（ 2,3,5）、拔萃男書院（ 2,3,4,5）
拔萃男書院附屬小學（ 4）、拔萃女書院（ 3,5）
基督教中國佈道會聖道迦南書院（ 3,4,5）、播道書院（ 3,4,5）
基督教香港信義會心誠中學（ 3,4,5）、福建中學（ 3,4,5）
福建中學附屬學校（ 3,5）、優才（楊殷有娣）書院（ 3,4,5）
德望學校（ 2,3,4,5）、香島中學（ 3,5）
天水圍香島中學（ 3,4,5）、將軍澳香島中學（ 3,4,5）
香港浸會大學附屬學校王錦輝中小學（ 3,4）、香港青年協會李兆基書院（ 3,4,5）
香港華人基督教聯會真道書院（ 2,3,4,5）、香港兆基創意書院（ 3,4）
香港管理專業協會李國寶中學（ 3,4,5）、港大同學會書院（ 3,4,5）
港大同學會小學（ 3,4,5）、漢華中學（ 2,3,4,5）
蘇浙公學（ 4,5）、九龍三育中學（ 3,4）
林大輝中學（ 3,4,5）、羅定邦中學（ 4,5）
嶺南大學香港同學會直資小學（ 3,4,5）、新法書院（ 5）
伯裘書院（ 3,4,5）、保良局陳守仁小學（ 3,4,5）
保良局香港道教聯合會圓玄小學（ 3,4）、保良局林文燦英文小學（ 3,4）
保良局羅氏基金中學（ 3,4）、保良局陸慶濤小學（ 3,4）
保良局顏寶鈴書院（ 3,4,5）、培僑書院（ 3,4,5）
培僑中學（ 5）、匯知中學（ 3,4,5）
聖瑪加利男女英文中小學（ 3,4,5）、香港聖瑪加利女書院（ 2,3,4,5）
聖保羅男女中學（ 2,3,4,5）、聖保羅男女中學附屬小學（ 2,3,4,5）
聖保羅書院（ 2,3,4,5）、聖保羅書院小學（ 2,3,5）
聖保祿學校（ 2,3,5）、聖士提反書院（ 3,4,5）
香港神託會培基書院（ 3,4,5）、大埔三育中學（ 2,3,4,5）
德信中學（ 2,3,4,5）、中華基金中學（ 3,4,5）
基督教崇真中學（ 3,4,5）、匯基書院（東九龍）（ 2,3,4,5）
職業訓練局邱子文高中學校（ 3,4,5）、和富慈善基金李宗德小學（ 3,4,5）
惠僑英文中學（ 3,5）、勞工子弟中學（ 5）
英華書院（ 2,3,4,5）、英華小學（ 2,3,4,5）
港青基信書院（ 3,4,5）、李寶樁聯合世界書院（ 1,3,4,5,6）
恒生商學書院（ 3,5）
＊涉及問題範疇
1.一般行政
2.管治
3.學費減免/獎學金計劃
4.學費調整
5.財務管理
6.人力資源管理
*摘錄自2010年11月25日蘋果日報
作者: GHcat 時間: 10-11-25 21:24
原帖由 仔仔錫錫你 於 10-11-25 19:02 發表
唔歛財, 邊有$再開辦kg?!?
對不起，請問您憑甚麼這樣說？
作者: luilui007 時間: 10-11-25 21:55
新聞所報導的與學校的辨學熱誠全完是兩回事, 不應混為一談!
再者, 有人因此唔想讀無問題的, 仲有大把人想讀 !
作者: LuLuciaMa 時間: 10-11-25 22:10
原帖由 Joshua_BB 於 10-11-25 13:47 發表
我唸就未必會有影響, 之前York果單收錢入教風波, 都唔覺少左人報讀丫.
I give up York ar because the news
作者: elmolly 時間: 10-11-25 23:39
原帖由 luilui007 於 10-11-25 21:55 發表
新聞所報導的與學校的辨學熱誠全完是兩回事, 不應混為一談!
再者, 有人因此唔想讀無問題的, 仲有大把人想讀 !
agree, 無懷疑過德望既"quality", 因為近年學校既名聲不斷比人中傷, 所以覺得佢起管理上可以做好d.
唯一覺得有問題既, 係中學既學費真係幾貴, 相信令好多父母卻步. 不過對幼稚園, 應該無影響, 始終而家最大問題唔係教學質數.
作者: yinghung1234 時間: 10-11-26 09:12
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作者: chowhui97 時間: 10-11-26 09:41
York 我就無報, 因為啲朋友話唔好, 我又唔係特別like.
至於呢單嘢7x間直資學校間間都有事, 唔通間間都唔報呀? 我諗揚咗件事之後佢地會收歛一啲.... 
邊間係唯一無問題的直資呢?
作者: B.B.BaBa 時間: 10-11-26 09:44
原帖由 仔仔錫錫你 於 10-11-25 19:02 發表
唔歛財, 邊有$再開辦kg?!?
請拿出證據來。
網上亂說話真的不需要負責任嗎？
作者: lovelyaudrey 時間: 10-11-26 11:18
原帖由 elmolly 於 10-11-25 23:39 發表
agree, 無懷疑過德望既"quality", 因為近年學校既名聲不斷比人中傷, 所以覺得佢起管理上可以做好d.
唯一覺得有問題既, 係中學既學費真係幾貴, 相信令好多父母卻步. 不過對幼稚園, 應該無影響, 始終而家最大問題唔 ...
想請問一下現在中學和小學每年學費幾錢, 係佢個網站搵黎搵去都唔見
作者: icbb1230 時間: 10-11-26 12:20
Hi,
Kindergarten - $3000 per month
Primary - $3800 per month
Secondary - not sure, heard it's over $5000
But I don't dis-agree GH to do some "safe" investment. Be realistic, nowadays, we don't put $$ in saving account, too. We will buy stock, foreign currency, property to fight the inflation and depreciation of HKD currency. If the stock investment is safe enough, not a risky one, I agree to do so.
icbb1230
原帖由 lovelyaudrey 於 10-11-26 11:18 發表
想請問一下現在中學和小學每年學費幾錢, 係佢個網站搵黎搵去都唔見
作者: icbb1230 時間: 10-11-26 12:23
BTW, I will bring my younger daughter to GH kinder for interview tomorrow. If anyone give up the interview tomorrow, I will say "thank you" to them, haha.
原帖由 icbb1230 於 10-11-26 12:20 發表
Hi,
Kindergarten - $3000 per month
Primary - $3800 per month
Secondary - not sure, heard it's over $5000
But I don't dis-agree GH to do some "safe" investment. Be realistic, nowadays, we don't put ...
作者: mimimomo6 時間: 10-11-26 12:28
原帖由 lovelyaudrey 於 10-11-26 11:18 發表
想請問一下現在中學和小學每年學費幾錢, 係佢個網站搵黎搵去都唔見
http://www.chsc.hk/secondary/tc/schooldetail.asp?sch_id=1457
http://www.chsc.hk/primary/tc/schooldetail.asp?sch_id=254
呢度搵到晒
[ 本帖最後由 mimimomo6 於 10-11-26 12:36 編輯 ]
作者: nataliepsc 時間: 10-11-27 02:08
Not affected. We will go to the interview tomorrow morning.
All DSS have a different extent of the issues mentioned (the only exception is a new school which was only opened for 1 year) It is disappointing but HK parents are like 俾人"行"住把刀係條頸一樣, no choice.. Not everyone can have luck with the lucky draw for government / subsidised schools. Private schools also use different excuses to "raise $" from parents. Education in HK simply become a very attractive business, yes it is a business to a lot of people, even though there maybe some teachers and principals are are still passionate about teaching. are from
作者: KY_Lo 時間: 10-11-27 11:28
York和德望都是好學校，York至少都出來承認及退錢，反觀直資現在的態度??!! 但我對德望校長比較失望， 7千萬剩餘， 重要收約 4 萬一年重系中文小學, 中學更貴， 股票同基金點會safe, 我D MPF 都唔safe,
7千萬輸幾個%, 都已經很厲害。
原帖由 ricefamily 於 10-11-25 12:53 發表
歛財學校, 無奈有很多家長願意奉獻..!!
香港的教育制度, 令現今為人父母的, 當真的不易...!!
作者: MyAshley 時間: 10-11-27 12:56
原帖由 KY_Lo 於 10-11-27 11:28 發表
York和德望都是好學校，York至少都出來承認及退錢，反觀直資現在的態度??!! 但我對德望校長比較失望， 7千萬剩餘， 重要收約 4 萬一年重系中文小學, 中學更貴， 股票同基金點會safe, 我D MPF 都唔safe,
7千萬輸幾個%, 都已經 ...
德望直資只屬中學部, 聽朋友說星期日會有會議向家長交代時事宜
小學及幼稚園部為私立, 不能混為一談.
作者: pumpumpurin 時間: 10-11-27 13:38
中小幼都係同一個教育團體...都係個班人做校董會..點會無關係...一定要混為一談...
不過我覺得無所謂..唔好同我講乜野身教..乜野教學熱誠...
人地d學生出到o黎係all round...有能力既話...只要你唔係犯法要執笠..家長話知你啦..
我都好同意d 錢要去投資...但盤數一定要清楚o者...
今日全香港人都鬧緊李+x既時候..聽日比你入左去長實做經理....有幾多個會唔做?
作者: B.B.BaBa 時間: 10-11-27 13:53
原帖由 KY_Lo 於 10-11-27 11:28 發表
York和德望都是好學校，York至少都出來承認及退錢，反觀直資現在的態度??!! 但我對德望校長比較失望， 7千萬剩餘， 重要收約 4 萬一年重系中文小學, 中學更貴， 股票同基金點會safe, 我D MPF 都唔safe,
7千萬輸幾個%, 都已經 ...
York 校長係走出來推晒落家長身上，唔係承認責任
德望今晚開家長會交代。最重要係教育局指引係not recommended , 唔係 not allowed, 即係買股票並無違規
作者: B.B.BaBa 時間: 10-11-27 14:56
原帖由 pumpumpurin 於 10-11-27 13:38 發表
中小幼都係同一個教育團體...都係個班人做校董會..點會無關係...一定要混為一談...
不過我覺得無所謂..唔好同我講乜野身教..乜野教學熱誠...
人地d學生出到o黎係all round...有能力既話...只要你唔係犯法要執笠..家 ...
照你咁講，如果你個同父同母的姐姐犯左法，你都一定好有問題，對嗎？
作者: iantsang 時間: 10-11-27 21:36
Once again, I break my silence on topic like this. In particular as some of you may aware, I am particularly in disagreement of Catholic schools participating in the Direct Subsidized scheme.
I don't blame any parents who don't find it an issue, since not many parents would really study in such detail to find the issues behind.
I would try to put it as simple as I could, so I would have to omit some details (both intentionally and unintentionally).
First, I just wanna say, education is not a business, so an education institution should have a higher standard compare to the regulations needing to be comply for an commercial organization.
Second, in the long history of Catholic schools in Hong Kong, actually a lot of resources in these schools are funded (subsidized) by the Catholic Organization who managed these schools (originally subsidized), NOT BY ADDITIONAL FEES from parents. So, with the assumptions that the EDB has sufficiently funded each of these DSS with a per head fund, than in simple term, these schools should have no need to ask the parents to pay more. So, the fundamental is in the past, these Catholic organizations who run a DSS, are moving from paying for these schools, to getting extra money from parents (can notice the two side wing here now?)
Please don't pull private schools in the picture since private schools and DSS are very much different in nature. However, for a normal parent, they may just think they are similar in a sense that they have to pay school fees (please note private schools are not receiving funds from the gov't like the DSS). It would be a long discussion to go through the history.
I am in no position to judge these schools. But honestly with my involvement in Catholic schools and the EDB, I would only say it is inappropriate for a Catholic schools to turn to DSS, as it doesn't comply with the MISSIONS of running a Catholic school! Of course, as I am not a Catholic Father, so my interpretation may simply be incorrect. If so, then I would like to apologize but I do wanna express once again my subjective opinion.
Try to search in the DB database, you will notice very few Catholic schools are DSS. Just wanna give all parents another angle to look at things. I didn't say GH is wrong to be DSS as I understand why they have to do it back then.
Ian
作者: pumpumpurin 時間: 10-11-27 23:29
呢個年代...辦教育跟本就係一門商務, 唔講係咪dss, 連普通津校都各出其謀要爭勝求存, 校方以公開試成績衡量老師既能力...有幾偉大既教育理想都冇用....社會就係咁...而教育n年前以已變哂質...一出dss就大把名校走出o黎...希望脫離政府的控制...加大自主度~
呢件事主要問題係edb ***removed by moderator*** 唔夠人地聰明...
[ 本帖最後由 iantsang 於 10-11-27 23:39 編輯 ]
作者: iantsang 時間: 10-11-27 23:38
My intention is only to state out points and to discuss rationally. Please be careful with the word selections. I had removed the inappropriate choices of words.
I won't comment if the move was a smart one or not, but they did that on purpose and the objective has been reached.
原帖由 pumpumpurin 於 10-11-27 23:29 發表
呢個年代...辦教育跟本就係一門商務, 唔講係咪dss, 連普通津校都各出其謀要爭勝求存, 校方以公開試成績衡量老師既能力...有幾偉大既教育理想都冇用....社會就係咁...而教育n年前以已變哂質...一出dss就大把名校走出o ...
作者: pumpumpurin 時間: 10-11-28 00:18
板主, 如果你有站在前線,親身經歷過多次edb 的變法...再看看自己...再看看香港的學校,學生....那麼..我講得已經好有厚道...
不過仍然尊重閣下在此的立場和規則~
原帖由 iantsang 於 10-11-27 23:38 發表
My intention is only to state out points and to discuss rationally. Please be careful with the word selections. I had removed the inappropriate choices of words.
I won't comment if the move was a s ...
作者: iantsang 時間: 10-11-28 00:46
Thank you for your understanding! I have this "hat" to keep things in order and don't want to create arguments.
I just hope to share more information and bring reflections for everyone, so the world can actually move forward.
By the way, I do understand what kind of frustrations you mentioned. I had such experiences dealing with them, but luckily not in the capacity as a teacher only.
Finally, I forget to say that I do agree with what you said earlier. I guess my mind was occupied by your little "emotional twist" and didn't response to that. I am totally aware of that so I treasure and respect the small number of schools who can still stay out of this "business-like" management of education.
原帖由 pumpumpurin 於 10-11-28 00:18 發表
板主, 如果你有站在前線,親身經歷過多次edb 的變法...再看看自己...再看看香港的學校,學生....那麼..我講得已經好有厚道...
不過仍然尊重閣下在此的立場和規則~
...
[ 本帖最後由 iantsang 於 10-11-28 00:51 編輯 ]
作者: KY_Lo 時間: 10-11-30 13:28
是冇違法，但這種錢搵錢心態，
很要不得， 7 千萬大把保本投資， 更不用全套身家買基金股票。
近期股票太瀉， 難道要家長們提心吊膽！
作者: B.B.BaBa 時間: 10-11-30 13:58
原帖由 KY_Lo 於 10-11-30 13:28 發表
是冇違法，但這種錢搵錢心態，
很要不得， 7 千萬大把保本投資， 更不用全套身家買基金股票。
近期股票太瀉， 難道要家長們提心吊膽！
拎左 5千萬出來，佔儲備不足兩成
選的都是低風險的項目，結果賺左 2千幾萬
賺了的錢全部用在學校，沒有一個教職員會因為學校賺了錢而有錢分。
該校普遍家長都支持學校的做法......
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