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作者: syschan 時間: 10-10-6 09:27 標題: St. Paul Coed VS DGJS
How does it different in terms of
1) study culture
2) loading to the kids
3) loading to the parents
4) common style of the kids
I need to assess my kid (and myself) whether we are suitable to join this top of the top schools.
Any parents can provide some information to the above ? What else should I consider as well?
Thanks ! 
作者: hui3328 時間: 10-10-6 09:42
The same topic was discussed comparing two schools again and again every year. You can search the key words of "SPCC vs DGS" in the Babykingdom Forum.
My point of view: in terms of overall academic standard and public exam result, SPCC is arguably the best in HK, as measured by No. of A attained, number of students with 6A or above, average number of A, % of candidates passing 14% in HKCEE, and etc. Despite not having the largest number of 10 "A", SPCC has been able to maintain a very impressive academic result over the year.
On the other side, DGS has the best English standard among local schools in HK. It also performs better in music, sports and other contests than SPCC. You should also consider whether you like a single-gender, or a co-educational school. Some friends I know of make it clear that they don't like single-gender girl schools, for fear of the environment being too competitive.
原帖由 syschan 於 10-10-6 09:27 發表 
How does it different in terms of
1) study culture
2) loading to the kids
3) loading to the parents
4) common style of the kids
I need to assess my kid (and myself) whether we are suitable to join ...
作者: syschan 時間: 10-10-6 09:49
原帖由 hui3328 於 10-10-6 09:42 發表 
The same topic was discussed comparing two schools again and again every year. You can search the key words of "SPCC vs DGS" in the Babykingdom Forum.
My point of view: in terms of overall academic s ...
Yes.... I agree with you hui3328.
What I am worry about is the loading of the study....
I heard that the kid needs to take many many tutorials for key subjects after school in general. I need to think about I should support my kid in every aspects.
作者: hui3328 時間: 10-10-6 09:56
Both schools target at well-educated middle class families, though there are some students from very rich families or celebrities. As a result, both schools require strong parental supports not just financial resources, but also good guidance, learning environment, working with the school hand-in-hand.
Workload at both schools is not an issue in junior years, at least not significantly more than other local schools. But the pressure will continue to build up as students advance into senior years.
原帖由 syschan 於 10-10-6 09:49 發表 
Yes.... I agree with you hui3328.
What I am worry about is the loading of the study....
I heard that the kid needs to take many many tutorials for key subjects after school in general. I need to t ...
作者: judy 時間: 10-10-6 10:02
My point of view: in terms of overall academic standard and public exam result, SPCC is arguably the best in HK, as measured by No. of A attained, number of students with 6A or above, average number of A, % of candidates passing 14% in HKCEE, and etc. Despite not having the largest number of 10 "A", SPCC has been able to maintain a very impressive academic result over the year.
我留意近10年之 HKCEE。印象中,SPCC勝两年。
上次去聽一小学簡介會,校長好識講嘢,家長(包括我)如痴如醉。可惜,會後,我只記得3樣嘢:校長以前教SPCC;SPCC好humble;佢嗰年spcc會考平均有2A,SPCC好humble,所以冇向外公佈。我推測,SPCC好收成的年份都是2個A左右。
而我見過DGS一份報告,嗰年有接近3A。
作者: hui3328 時間: 10-10-6 10:09
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作者: Lilo 時間: 10-10-6 10:45
兩間都係超級名校,各有千秋,我兩間都識人讀(其中一個係樓上list out攞7A小朋友),兩間都有朋友話好辛苦,補習補到暈,亦有朋友話個女讀得好輕鬆,只係補一/兩科就得,睇下你小朋友資質同你要求。樓主你不妨兩間都報,收左先至再諗。
作者: twokidsmum 時間: 10-10-6 11:58
測驗:
SPCCPS -上學期兩測一考,下學期一測一考.數學科在每次測驗間會有額外的數學比賽.測驗以“測驗週”形式進行.測驗期間沒有/少功課.
DGJS -上學期一測一考(常識相關科目會有多一次測驗),下學期一測一考.平均每週測一科.數學科則每星期都要測驗.學生溫習較輕鬆,家長亦較容易調動課外活動.
考試:
SPCCPS上學期在聖誕後考試五天,聖誕假期要溫習.
DGJS上學期考試在12月頭三天(只考中英數),考試後一直至農曆年會較空閒,很多學生在這段時間外遊.
功課量:SPCCPS 較DGJS多,但仍算合理.
交通:明年DGJS會搬回佐敦教舍,交通十分方便.至於SPCCPS,香港仔隧道經常塞車,交通的確是一個問題.
SPCCPS很著重德育,始終小學階段是人生觀價值觀形成的重要時期.學生積極爭取好成績之餘,亦要時刻保持良好品行.學生中文水平頗高.數學科用中文,水平亦不錯.
DGJS的女孩很active,不會死讀書.學生英文水平頗高,初小學生已能閱讀厚厚的英文小說.學校中文水平似乎在不斷提升.
共通點:SPCCPS 和DGJS的教學並不傳統,能啓發學生思維.兩間學校都要求學生多看不同類型的課外書.
兩間學校都各具教學特色,很難比較那間較好.
原帖由 syschan 於 10-10-6 09:27 發表 
How does it different in terms of
1) study culture
2) loading to the kids
3) loading to the parents
4) common style of the kids
I need to assess my kid (and myself) whether we are suitable to join ...
[ 本帖最後由 twokidsmum 於 10-10-6 12:02 編輯 ]
作者: thomasha 時間: 10-10-6 14:06
資料好詳盡! 係咪你o既仔女o係入邊讀緊?
原帖由 twokidsmum 於 10-10-6 11:58 發表 
測驗:
SPCCPS -上學期兩測一考,下學期一測一考.數學科在每次測驗間會有額外的數學比賽.測驗以“測驗週”形式進行.測驗期間沒有/少功課.
DGJS -上學期一測一考(常識相關科目會有多一次測驗),下學期一測一考.平均每週測一科.數學科 ...
作者: syschan 時間: 10-10-6 14:20
原帖由 twokidsmum 於 10-10-6 11:58 發表 
測驗:
SPCCPS -上學期兩測一考,下學期一測一考.數學科在每次測驗間會有額外的數學比賽.測驗以“測驗週”形式進行.測驗期間沒有/少功課.
DGJS -上學期一測一考(常識相關科目會有多一次測驗),下學期一測一考.平均每週測一科.數學科 ...
Your material is very informative and really helpful !
Thanks for your tips !
作者: syschan 時間: 10-10-6 14:21
hui3328, Lilo, Judy,
Thanks for your input !
作者: share123 時間: 10-10-6 15:19
分析得好客觀
作者: YUWEI 時間: 10-10-6 16:12
很多人都希望進這兩間學校就讀,很多人也都認為自己的孩子適合這兩間學校,但是 ,始終收生權在學校.....so,考到先講!!原帖由 syschan 於 10-10-6 09:27 發表 
How does it different in terms of
1) study culture
2) loading to the kids
3) loading to the parents
4) common style of the kids
I need to assess my kid (and myself) whether we are suitable to join ...
作者: yukico 時間: 10-10-7 08:06
原帖由 twokidsmum 於 10-10-6 11:58 發表 
測驗:
SPCCPS -上學期兩測一考,下學期一測一考.數學科在每次測驗間會有額外的數學比賽.測驗以“測驗週”形式進行.測驗期間沒有/少功課.
DGJS -上學期一測一考(常識相關科目會有多一次測驗),下學期一測一考.平均每週測一科.數學科 ...
不好意思, 有少少資料補充: DGJS 1-5年級下學期是2測1考, 只是6年級才是1測1考。而常識科(包括中、英文常識)則是每個學期2次測驗。
作者: IWAT 時間: 10-10-7 12:10
SPCC 有冇精英班...? 因再仔細睇 hui3328 的post, 人均 a/5* 係 2.4. 179名考生共423個 a/5*.
扣除10a, 9a, 同 33個 6a... 即 140人share 206個a. 再加上 74% 英文 5*/5 (179 * 74% - 39 = 93)及 35% 中文 5*/5 (179 * 35% - 39 = 23)...
即係扣除6a以上, 果 140人係 其他科目只有共90 (如果當中有十個八個5a, 4a...) 咁咪成績高低可能差好遠? 我想校方點處理相對低能力的學生?
(冇惡意, 知係想知多d...)
[ 本帖最後由 IWAT 於 10-10-7 12:16 編輯 ]
作者: twokidsmum 時間: 10-10-7 12:13
Hi yukico,
哎呀,唔好意思,搞錯咗.
還記得妳當年在開學前給我提點,減輕我的不安情緒,我會銘記於心,謝謝妳!
twokidsmum
原帖由 yukico 於 10-10-7 08:06 發表 
不好意思, 有少少資料補充: DGJS 1-5年級下學期是2測1考, 只是6年級才是1測1考。而常識科(包括中、英文常識)則是每個學期2次測驗。
作者: twokidsmum 時間: 10-10-7 12:29
我當年甚麼都不懂,BK的家長幫了我不少.現在我所知的仍有限,希望沒有誤導妳吧!
原帖由 syschan 於 10-10-6 14:20 發表 
Your material is very informative and really helpful !
Thanks for your tips !
作者: YUWEI 時間: 10-10-7 13:41
你冇計到有好多人出國哩
根本冇考
原帖由 IWAT 於 10-10-7 12:10 發表 
SPCC 有冇精英班...? 因再仔細睇 hui3328 的post, 人均 a/5* 係 2.4. 179名考生共423個 a/5*.
扣除10a, 9a, 同 33個 6a... 即 140人share 206個a. 再加上 74% 英文 5*/5 (179 * 74% - 39 = 93)及 35% 中文 5*/5 ...
作者: YUWEI 時間: 10-10-7 13:42
我覺得spcc成績已經好好了,算是係好平均.原帖由 IWAT 於 10-10-7 12:10 發表 
SPCC 有冇精英班...? 因再仔細睇 hui3328 的post, 人均 a/5* 係 2.4. 179名考生共423個 a/5*.
扣除10a, 9a, 同 33個 6a... 即 140人share 206個a. 再加上 74% 英文 5*/5 (179 * 74% - 39 = 93)及 35% 中文 5*/5 ...
作者: IWAT 時間: 10-10-7 14:40
我冇考慮到... (有人會冇考)
其實, 佢有冇精英班 ?
作者: babyhappy88 時間: 10-10-7 15:13 標題: 回覆 1# YUWEI 的文章
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作者: telegogo 時間: 10-10-7 17:09
Every school has competent and weak students.
There are 210 studends each form at SPCC and max. 120 from SPCCPS. Assumming SPCC accpets a lot of good students during the admission progress for Form 1. There is no way all the students from SPCCPS preforms well in academic.
有的小朋友攞1个A都可以好難,書是小朋友自己讀的,不是學校教的。我覺得自己努力+學校可幫助及格或攞C,但不是攞A,更不可能4、5、6...A。
有時那間學校给予最好的學習環境和peer group就夠了。
原帖由 IWAT 於 10-10-7 12:10 發表 
SPCC 有冇精英班...? 因再仔細睇 hui3328 的post, 人均 a/5* 係 2.4. 179名考生共423個 a/5*.
扣除10a, 9a, 同 33個 6a... 即 140人share 206個a. 再加上 74% 英文 5*/5 (179 * 74% - 39 = 93)及 35% 中文 5*/5 ...
作者: telegogo 時間: 10-10-7 17:17
你問中學定小學?
小學冇
中學有跟科分程度
原帖由 IWAT 於 10-10-7 14:40 發表 
我冇考慮到... (有人會冇考)
其實, 佢有冇精英班 ?
作者: hui3328 時間: 10-10-7 17:37
SPCC今年會考生有179人, 小學部以前每年只收105人, 去年擴招後, 增至150人, 加上中一多收兩班, 將來中學每級210人左右.
SPCC及DGS轉直資後, 其學生素質比起其他官校已經較為平均. 個別官津校如La Salle, 皇仁, 華仁等, 其學生的更為參差. 據聞La Salle今年會考270人, 每班都有十幾人考得五六分. 所以入名校只是踏出等一步, 仲要漫長的路要走.
會考已成為歷史, 新高中文憑試明年開始, 最多考七科. 更著重學生的綜合素質, 評分準則也完全不同. 最高5**, 然後5*, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. 新制度下再沒有狀元. 大學收生可能加入一些主觀因素, 究竟那些傳統名校可以保持優勢, 或有新學校跑出, 大家拭目以待.
原帖由 telegogo 於 10-10-7 17:17 發表 
你問中學定小學?
小學冇
中學有跟科分程度
作者: IWAT 時間: 10-10-7 17:49
所以我好想知現時傳統名校係點處理或照顧能力不足的學生...
作者: telegogo 時間: 10-10-7 18:09
don't expect too much.
it's all about the student himself.
原帖由 IWAT 於 10-10-7 17:49 發表 
所以我好想知現時傳統名校係點處理或照顧能力不足的學生...
作者: hui3328 時間: 10-10-7 18:46
排名就很難講. 但裡面列出的各名校14分以上, 以及取得優良的比例應該幾準確. 請留意採用的是2009的會考成績.
作者: YUWEI 時間: 10-10-7 22:14
我知道spcc年年都有分班,
照講,應該係冇所謂既精英班,如果有,點可以年年都拆班??
所以,我覺得應該係冇分精英班......原帖由 IWAT 於 10-10-7 14:40 發表 
我冇考慮到... (有人會冇考)
其實, 佢有冇精英班 ?
作者: hui3328 時間: 10-10-7 23:19
精英班應該冇, 就算中一外面收入來的兩班, 亦是分散至原來小學升上來的班級.
DGS好像也不設精英班.
原帖由 YUWEI 於 10-10-7 22:14 發表 
我知道spcc年年都有分班,
照講,應該係冇所謂既精英班,如果有,點可以年年都拆班??
所以,我覺得應該係冇分精英班......
作者: iloveyoga 時間: 10-10-7 23:43
原帖由 hui3328 於 10-10-7 23:19 發表 
精英班應該冇, 就算中一外面收入來的兩班, 亦是分散至原來小學升上來的班級.
DGS好像也不設精英班.
DGS 是有精英班, 中英數是分sector 教, St. Paul co-edu 也是分sector 教的.
作者: yukico 時間: 10-10-7 23:46
原帖由 twokidsmum 於 10-10-7 12:13 發表 
Hi yukico,
哎呀,唔好意思,搞錯咗.
還記得妳當年在開學前給我提點,減輕我的不安情緒,我會銘記於心,謝謝妳!
twokidsmum
twokidsmum,
不用客氣。 只希望妳囡囡讀得開心, 亦希望其他"準師妹"面試順順利利。
Yukico
作者: twokidsmum 時間: 10-10-8 12:01
開心!我曾打趣問佢想唔想兩個轉到同一間學校,佢死都唔肯.
我無乜俾壓力佢,佢反而想自己讀好D.
原帖由 yukico 於 10-10-7 23:46 發表 
twokidsmum,
不用客氣。 只希望妳囡囡讀得開心, 亦希望其他"準師妹"面試順順利利。
Yukico
作者: papa_pop 時間: 10-10-8 19:46
This is quite an insightful observation. Would one apply the same 'calculation' to other elite schools, eg, QC, DGS, esp those who boast a couple of straight-A students? My wild guess is that the As or credits have been spread quite evenly among students at SPCC when compared with other elite schools.
原帖由 IWAT 於 10-10-7 12:10 發表 
SPCC 有冇精英班...? 因再仔細睇 hui3328 的post, 人均 a/5* 係 2.4. 179名考生共423個 a/5*.
扣除10a, 9a, 同 33個 6a... 即 140人share 206個a. 再加上 74% 英文 5*/5 (179 * 74% - 39 = 93)及 35% 中文 5*/5 ...
作者: hui3328 時間: 10-10-8 20:34
以下是從升中派位Copy過來, 各大院校2010年及2009年會考考獲6A或以上學生的人數:
請留意各名校的會考人數不同, 如La Sallle高達277人, 最客觀是以平均每個學生考獲A數量. 但由於教署並無要求各中學公佈會考成績. 所有的都屬自願披露.
St Paul Co-Edu:33 (2009: 24)
La Salle:30 (2009: 29)
Queen’s:24 (2009: 18)
DBS 21 (2009: 26)
Maryknoll: ? (2009:23)
Lam Woo:20 (2009: 11)
DGS 18 (2009: 20)
St Joseph聖若瑟英文:18 (2009: 12)
Kings: 17 (2009: 4)
BPS: 15 (2009: 10)
St. Marys: 12
Tsang shiu tim: 12
HK Wah Yan: 11
Tang Hin : 10 (2009:12)
Po Leung Kuk No.1 :10
李兆基 : ? (2009: 9)
荃官: ? (2009: 8)
Pui Ching: 8
Cheung Chuk Shan : 8 (2009: 5)
聖言: 8
英華: 8
True Light (ymt) ? (2009:5)
True Light, HK 3
LMC, Shatin 1 or 2 (2009:2)
原帖由 papa_pop 於 10-10-8 19:46 發表 
This is quite an insightful observation. Would one apply the same 'calculation' to other elite schools, eg, QC, DGS, esp those who boast a couple of straight-A students? My wild guess is that the As ...
作者: siufu 時間: 10-10-8 23:13
喇沙學生多係事實, 論平均的話, 或有不及有收生自主的 SPCC & DGS, 但比起其他 elite school 如 DBS, SJC 等就有過之而無不及, 其尖子之多亦係每年全港 one of the best, 以一間秉持"有教無類"的學校來說實在難能可貴.
原帖由 hui3328 於 10-10-8 20:34 發表 
以下是從升中派位Copy過來, 各大院校2010年及2009年會考考獲6A或以上學生的人數:
請留意各名校的會考人數不同, 如La Sallle高達277人, 最客觀是以平均每個學生考獲A數量. 但由於教署並無要求各中學公佈會考成績. 所 ...
作者: judy 時間: 10-10-9 10:38
原帖由 siufu 於 10-10-8 23:13 發表 
喇沙學生多係事實, 論平均的話, 或有不及有收生自主的 SPCC & DGS, 但比起其他 elite school 如 DBS, SJC 等就有過之而無不及, 其尖子之多亦係每年全港 one of the best, 以一間秉持"有教無類"的學校來說實在難能可 ...
盡量收最好的学生來教的学校,怎稱得上"有教無類"呢?
最衰都係政府,唔公佈学校的增值指數。家長無得知邊啲学校令学生進步,邊啲学校令学生退步。
作者: hui3328 時間: 10-10-9 11:57
對, La Sallle不能說有教無類, 否則其所有小學所有學生可以直升中學, 點解只有7成學生可以直升呢? 另外, 其中一收生除咗政府派位外, 亦有另一批是揀撰入來的. 其實也是儘量在谷尖子.
原帖由 judy 於 10-10-9 10:38 發表 
盡量收最好的学生來教的学校,怎稱得上"有教無類"呢?
最衰都係政府,唔公佈学校的增值指數。家長無得知邊啲学校令学生進步,邊啲学校令学生退步。 ...
作者: siufu 時間: 10-10-9 14:49
不能認同你的邏輯, 中學只收七成小學畢業生就非有教無類? 那接了龍的 DGS/DBS/SPCC 就是有教無類了?喇沙小學對來自不同背景的學生無分彼此地提供優質教育, 正就是所謂有教無類, 而在大家知道中學收生標準下公平競爭下上中學亦沒有違背有教無類此準則, 相反更提供其他想入喇沙的小六學生一個機會, 在我看來更能體現有教無類精神.
原帖由 hui3328 於 10-10-9 11:57 發表 
對, La Sallle不能說有教無類, 否則其所有小學所有學生可以直升中學, 點解只有7成學生可以直升呢? 另外, 其中一收生除咗政府派位外, 亦有另一批是揀撰入來的. 其實也是儘量在谷尖子.
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作者: daisy17772 時間: 10-10-9 15:35
I believe most famous schools who have not changed yet to become DSS believe they should 有教無類, e.g. La Salle, St Jo, Wah Yan, St. Paul's Sec. ....etc. Filtering out primary students have all been doing in most Band 1 schools so as to maintain their Banding. But still fundamentally they don't want to select students at P1. La Salle is not particularly bad in this, Marymount has only 60%.
Quite a no. of years ago, the Principal of SPCC (Secondary section) was interviewed by a TV reporter, the lady stressed that their objective was to train up a group of extra-outstanding students to serve the society ( I didn't remember the exact description she used, but definitely she meant they want to do "no-average" results, but outstanding results). She gave me the impression that they aim at picking up extra-outstanding students. Nevertheless from what I know, my friends who graduated from SPCC Secondary (with >9 As), during which SPCC was still a gov't school. What I meant is 即使學校無法選擇學生, 聰穎的學生還可以有優異成績.
So it's encouraging to see that those gov't schools who choose not to change to DSS, although they have all that reasons to do so), could still keep up excellent results.
[ 本帖最後由 daisy17772 於 10-10-9 15:48 編輯 ]
作者: telegogo 時間: 10-10-9 15:42
如果盡量收最好的学生來教的学校,就不是"有教無類",
我真的無法找到"有教無類"的學按
當學校不能全部收錄報名學生,又應該怎收生才是"有教無類"?
點解"有教無類"同收生方法有關?或應跟怎教學生有關?
原帖由 judy 於 10-10-9 10:38 發表 
盡量收最好的学生來教的学校,怎稱得上"有教無類"呢?
最衰都係政府,唔公佈学校的增值指數。家長無得知邊啲学校令学生進步,邊啲学校令学生退步。 ...
作者: tingka2009 時間: 10-10-13 14:27
yes, i agree with you
原帖由 telegogo 於 10-10-7 17:09 發表 
Every school has competent and weak students.
There are 210 studends each form at SPCC and max. 120 from SPCCPS. Assumming SPCC accpets a lot of good students during the admission progress for Form ...
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