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作者: cfwong88 時間: 10-9-23 19:09 標題: 考 igcse 拔尖?

有無人知道如果f4考完igcse可唔可以拔尖升香港d 大學?

作者: Tommy 時間: 10-9-23 20:38

我都聽聞今年有一間學校，有四十多名F.4學生用IGCSE成績獲得大學的拔尖資格。這是否真的呢？

作者: mamafufu 時間: 10-9-23 22:28

當你知道IGCSE係幾咁容易考.......

作者: judy 時間: 10-9-24 14:00

原帖由 mamafufu 於 10-9-23 22:28 發表
當你知道IGCSE係幾咁容易考.......

好難想像考IGCSE可拔尖！

作者: DJ_PARENT 時間: 10-9-24 17:11 標題: 回覆 3# Tommy 的文章

是哪一間呢?

作者: ANChan59 時間: 10-9-24 17:38

A friend told me that her daughter's senior got into HKU medicine by using GCSE 9As through EAS. She struggled in the first year and planned to withdraw from the program (During a gathering in Chinese New Year 2010). I am not sure about her withdrawal finally.

作者: Tommy 時間: 10-9-24 17:58

原帖由 DJ_PARENT 於 10-9-24 17:11 發表
是哪一間呢?

銅鑼灣格仔裙女校。

作者: daisychan 時間: 10-9-26 01:07

原帖由 judy 於 10-9-24 14:00 發表

好難想像考IGCSE可拔尖！

The fact is a number of local and non-local students have used the IGCSE results to enter the three universities (HKU, CUHK & HKUST) through the previous EAS(non-JUPAS quota) path. Of course, the minimum requirements for application is still 6A's but successful candidates should have at least 8A's. Anyway, it is still too easy as compared with HKCEE and HKAL exam. Unfair!

作者: WYmom 時間: 10-9-26 07:18

原帖由 daisychan 於 10-9-26 01:07 發表

The fact is a number of local and non-local students have used the IGCSE results to enter the three universities (HKU, CUHK & HKUST) through the previous EAS(non-JUPAS quota) path. Of course, the mi ...

The min. requirement is 8A*.

作者: judy 時間: 10-9-27 09:34

The fact is a number of local and non-local students have used the IGCSE results to enter the three universities (HKU, CUHK & HKUST) through the previous EAS(non-JUPAS quota) path. Of course, the minimum requirements for application is still 6A's but successful candidates should have at least 8A's. Anyway, it is still too easy as compared with HKCEE and HKAL exam. Unfair!

其實，大学一向的收生方法都是收最好的那x%学生，例如，拔尖定6A，6A生大概佔1%。如果以難易折算，IGCSE的8A+，的确冇會考6A咁值錢。但如果"國際"学校学生，考獲IGCSE的8A+的，只佔1%左右，我就覺得此標準可以接受：因為，何以見得"國際"学校首1%学生，比不上主流学校的首1%学生呢？

不過，如果格仔裙学校以此招拔尖的話，咁我就好失望。也覺不公平。因格仔裙学校以IGCSE以8A+拔尖的，打死我都不信係本港最好嘅1%学生。

聽說外國的考生，最怕遇到中國学生。因中國学生有能力令其考試制度失效。看來，本地学生也有此能力。

作者: LittleKidult 時間: 10-9-27 10:18

我有朋友女係呢度讀, 佢今年升F6, 佢有講今年話有成4x個用呢種方法上, 重話後悔點解當年唔比個女去考, 博一博.
不過其實我唔太相信, 如果真係咁易收, 咁下年其他學校都用呢種方法, 每年大學隨時先收多幾百人?

作者: KK07 時間: 10-9-27 10:58

原帖由 LittleKidult 於 10-9-27 10:18 發表
我有朋友女係呢度讀, 佢今年升F6, 佢有講今年話有成4x個用呢種方法上, 重話後悔點解當年唔比個女去考, 博一博.
不過其實我唔太相信, 如果真係咁易收, 咁下年其他學校都用呢種方法, 每年大學隨時先收多幾百人? ...

我都係唔太相信,聽說係有4X個考到相等6A*或以上成績,一般都話係拔尖資格而己,況且今年EAS入學已公佈result嗎?

作者: ANChan59 時間: 10-9-27 10:59

原帖由 LittleKidult 於 10-9-27 10:18 發表
我有朋友女係呢度讀, 佢今年升F6, 佢有講今年話有成4x個用呢種方法上, 重話後悔點解當年唔比個女去考, 博一博.
不過其實我唔太相信, 如果真係咁易收, 咁下年其他學校都用呢種方法, 每年大學隨時先收多幾百人? ...

After HKDSE, no more EAS.....

作者: ANChan59 時間: 10-9-27 11:03

I heard from a girl from the said school, their IGCSE strategy aims for both path:
1. Overseas study before taking HKDSE; and
2. EAS.

I can say the headteacher of the school is more competent than other headteachers in HK.

If not all schools can copy SPCC and DBS to run IBDP + NSS. They should copy SPC's strategy.

作者: judy 時間: 10-9-27 11:22

I can say the headteacher of the school is more competent than other headteachers in HK.

同意，可惜只一年貨仔。同時，唔敢大大聲話俾人聽学校嘅威水史，綿衣夜行，唔過癮也！

作者: cman_li 時間: 10-9-27 11:55

原帖由 ANChan59 於 10-9-27 11:03 發表
I heard from a girl from the said school, their IGCSE strategy aims for both path:
1. Overseas study before taking HKDSE; and
2. EAS.

I can say the headteacher of the school is more competent than ot ...

常言道，第一個係天才，第二個係.....

真係大開眼界

作者: ANChan59 時間: 10-9-27 11:59

Most headteachers in HK are driven to be crazy by the Education Bureau, no time and energy to have critical thinking on the positioning of their schools.

作者: ANChan59 時間: 10-9-27 12:03

Add one more point, the idea may be come from the Board with the headteacher. Look at the Board of SPC, SPCC, DBS...... so mnay influential figures in there, they know how to crack the red taps and maintain their competitive advantages. Like DSS, IBDP, IGCSE etc, 你有張良計，我有過牆梯.....

作者: ANChan59 時間: 10-9-27 12:07

原帖由 judy 於 10-9-27 11:22 發表

同意，可惜只一年貨仔。同時，唔敢大大聲話俾人聽学校嘅威水史，綿衣夜行，唔過癮也！

So true.....

She can't offend Education Bureau and JUPAS...

作者: TWMa 時間: 10-9-27 12:14

我都識人用呢個方式入到 HKU 熱門科系.
個女仔係一間九龍名女校讀, 成績我估中中哋, 因為會考時佢阿媽原本好擔心冇法原校升中六, 已打定輸數去外國讀書, 結果好彩升到.
一年後個女仔用 IGCSE 分數申請科大、港大..., 未考高考, 已成功入咗呢幾間大學的大熱門!

作者: judy 時間: 10-9-27 12:55

原帖由 TWMa 於 10-9-27 12:14 發表
我都識人用呢個方式入到 HKU 熱門科系.
個女仔係一間九龍名女校讀, 成績我估中中哋, 因為會考時佢阿媽原本好擔心冇法原校升中六, 已打定輸數去外國讀書, 結果好彩升到.
一年後個女仔用 IGCSE 分數申請科大、港大..., ...

主流学校学生考 IGCSE，一定易過考會考，呢啲係人都知。何解大学招生，容許有人將港幣當美金使呢？真係諗唔通。

我成日以為如有考IGCSE和會考，大学只看會考。

作者: ANChan59 時間: 10-9-27 13:15

I guess not all IGCSE applicants are considered equally. If SPC has excellent track record in the past EAS. If we assume the top IGCSE students in the same school even go for HKCEE also with flying color results, so the correlation may be high and significant.

If put other schools, not many students has excellent record in EAS before, I doubt it.

作者: Tommy 時間: 10-9-27 14:07

原帖由 judy 於 10-9-27 11:22 發表

同意，可惜只一年貨仔。同時，唔敢大大聲話俾人聽学校嘅威水史，綿衣夜行，唔過癮也！

都係我衰，比我呢個跟這間學校無任何關係的人踢爆了！

不過，據聞該校去年中四級學生的學術水平真係比以往高，考到好成績都係學生和老師的努力。

當然，若果明年仍有正規的會考，若果同一班人明年去考會考，又是否會有四十多人考獲6A呢？

無論如何，這只係百年難得的一次機會，對以後的大局無影響，我等凡人亦不可以copy。

叻人和普通人的分別，就係佢地能把握千載難逢的一次機會。

作者: judy 時間: 10-9-28 09:55

據聞該校去年中四級學生的學術水平真係比以往高，考到好成績都係學生和老師的努力。

記得一两年前，我在報紙上睇到格仔裙校長之訪問，校長都有提及讓学生考這個試，校長的大意是說通過這個試，讓学生更好地為新中学文凭試做準備。講真，做為港人，我為此校成績驕傲，我估此校成績應好過很多"國际"学校(唔知聰明仔爸爸會否過來踩場)。

不過，好彩係一年貨仔成績。如果唔係，我担心很多学生高中要考两次試。

作者: KK07 時間: 10-9-28 11:05

用IGCSE成績入大學是否non-JUPAS的學額? 因為中四考IGCSE,即係學生無考會考,如果係,咁又唔算港幣當美金使,係港幣升值,威過美金而已..

原帖由 judy 於 10-9-27 12:55 發表

主流学校学生考 IGCSE，一定易過考會考，呢啲係人都知。何解大学招生，容許有人將港幣當美金使呢？真係諗唔通。

我成日以為如有考IGCSE和會考，大学只看會考。 ...

作者: ANChan59 時間: 10-9-28 11:31 標題: 回覆 25# KK07 的文章

Should be under non-JUPAS quota.

作者: ANChan59 時間: 10-9-28 11:35 標題: 回覆 24# judy 的文章

Very soon parents will complain only one exam to determine the future of their kids, then, they prefer admission to university without any exam.

So university will say, how can we identify the most suitable students? Parents will say, you are high pay and secure civil servants, you should serve us, that's your job and not mine..........

作者: cman_li 時間: 10-9-28 11:45

品格高尚都可以成績好

路不拾遺是美德

作者: KK07 時間: 10-9-28 12:20

原帖由 ANChan59 於 10-9-28 11:31 發表
Should be under non-JUPAS quota.

OIC. Then I would say these girls are very smart, scoring 8A*s in IGCSE, passing the EAS interviews and get into top U in HK......at F4 level, I won't think of 'fair' or 'unfair', but I applaud the hard work of these kids......

作者: weisscarton 時間: 10-9-29 14:38

9月不推新高中課聖保祿改考IGCSE

文章日期：2009年6月28日

【明報專訊】全港中學將於9月實施新高中學制，傳統名校聖保祿學校計劃9月開辦國際普通中學教育文憑試（IGCSE）課程，學生完成首年高中課程後將應考IGCSE，高中二年級再選擇繼續升讀英國高考（GCE A-Level）課程，或「回歸主流」讀新高中學課程。
翌年可銜接GCE或新高中課程
聖保祿學校校長黃金蓮表示，今年9月暫不於校內推行新高中課程，230名高中生首年不會修讀兩個或3個選修科，而是修讀8至9個數學、物理、經濟、法文、西班牙文等IGCSE科目，學生將於明年暑假應考IGCSE。黃金蓮補充，學校不會為高一生設校內試，「IGCSE當是期末考試，學生已考國際認可的公開試，再做校內試就無謂了」。
黃金蓮指出，IGCSE課程與新高中課程有很多相似的地方，相信學生高中第二年可銜接新高中課程。她續指，考IGCSE有助學生了解駕馭各科目的能力，「IGCSE給學生一個尺度，到第二年選2至3個選修科時可避免揀錯科」。
校長﹕免讀選修科時揀錯
聖保祿學校在本港推行新學制的同時，開辦歷史悠久的國際試課程，黃金蓮否認對新學制無信心，認為做法只是提供學生多一個升學途徑，「學生可選擇中五時選讀新高中課程，中六時應考文憑試；或中五時選讀英國高考課程，中六考英國高考；又或到其他學校修讀IB（國際文憑課程）。」
男拔﹕對港公開試有信心
另一傳統中學拔萃男書院則不計劃安排學生應考校外試，男拔校長張灼祥表示，香港公開考試的「往績」不錯，「以往會考、高考獲C級以上成績達標的學生，可以適應外國學制，讀書沒有問題」，相信中學文憑試可獲海外大學認可，「若安排學生考另一個試，似乎對中學文憑試沒有信心」。
明報記者羅素貞

作者: uncleedward 時間: 10-10-7 15:12

原帖由 judy 於 10-9-28 09:55 發表

記得一两年前，我在報紙上睇到格仔裙校長之訪問，校長都有提及讓学生考這個試，校長的大意是說通過這個試，讓学生更好地為新中学文凭試做準備。講真，做為港人，我為此校成績驕傲，我估此校成績應好過很多"國际"学校(唔知聰明仔 ...

Do you remember I mentioned a girl who failed to go up from F6 to F7 but got into a hot major through the IGCSE route. She came from this school as well. The school is different from most traditional schools which only encourages its students to take the HKAL route even if the students are thinking of going abroad.

One of my elder daughter's school mates got accepted by a local university(non-law offers) but failed to get an offers from any law school in England because she did not take GCE, but another girl in the school you mentioned failed to get into any local universities and yet managed to get into a reputable law school in England with 3As in GCE.

In view of the difficulty in getting As in HKAL, if you don't have 6As in HKCEE, it is much easier to take the non-jupas route against any advice otherwise from your school even if you are studying at Hang Seng School of Commerce.

Of course, new games will start with the new HKDSE exams.

作者: judy 時間: 10-10-9 12:00

Do you remember I mentioned a girl who failed to go up from F6 to F7 but got into a hot major through the IGCSE route. She came from this school as well. The school is different from most tradition ...

uncle,

當然記得啦，我仲話有錢無勢嘅都係出國算啦。我停留在很久很久以前，以為讀不好書的才去考這些試，看來我是太孤寡了。

我認為，大学收生，與其說按成績收，不如說是收前某個%之人材。以GCE成績取祿"國際校"生，我理解到，但收本地生，老實講，我都係唔明。GCE 比 AL 淺，加上中A比率接近20%，我認為本地C級学生，GCE奪A是十拿九穩的。反而，本地学生，幾醒都好，奪A真係要點運氣。報上說有皇仁仔國际數学比賽奪獎，會考附加數得B。我侄仔自誇其化学在校內前無古人，可惜两試都係B。

不過，點都好，阿大都會走末代考生這條蠢路。

1. AL 是一好充實嘅課程，認真完成其課程，將為人生打下堅實基礎。一旦打算考GCE，自然分心，斗志也會消減。
2. 我對统計數字天生敏感，參考阿大中五成績，中七考AL問題不大。何况現時阿大感興趣的，只是些冷門課程。

作者: uncleedward 時間: 10-10-9 13:31

原帖由 judy 於 10-10-9 12:00 發表

AL 是一好充實嘅課程，認真完成其課程，將為人生打下堅實基礎。

That is exactly the argument the teachers use to persuade thier students to follow the HKAL. Honestly, I don't see the logic as most elite students at universities in the US and UK do not have the privilege of such difficult exam to prepare them for university but they still manage to do well. The EAS students in HK do not have the privilege either. Actually, the EAS system is based on the findings of some research that the results of HKCEE are more indicative of one's performance at university. At university, you don't really have the luxury of spending two years on a narrow scope of a single subject. Like my elder daughter, she did not even manage to get a copy of the textbook before the final exam of a subject in her first university term. For HKAL, the students have the luxury of going over the past exam papers again and again. The skills required are quite different.

It is nice to be confident, but it is still somewhat depressing to see mates with 26 or 27 points in HKCEE only managed to get into courses for Asso in the end while mates with less points in HKCEE went on to schools like UCL, LSE or even Cambridge. That is how my elder daughter feels.

Yes, it needs some luck to get an A in HK's public exams in most cases. The difference between A an B is sometimes so slim that it does not reflect one's capbability.

作者: ANChan59 時間: 10-10-9 15:07

Just back from CUHK Orientation Day - Undergraduate Admission.

According to Medical Faculty, EAS also opened for non-JUPAS students, the min requirement is 10A* in IGCSE. The interesting point is their admission through non-JUPAS route.

Non-JUPAS (2010)
Applicatants 552, 122 interviewed and 57 admitted (2 direct to MED-2, 2 MED-3, ~15 with first and or postgraduate degrees, from IGCSE not many).

作者: judy 時間: 10-10-11 12:39

That is exactly the argument the teachers use to persuade thier students to follow the HKAL. Honestly, I don't see the logic as most elite students at universities in the US and UK do not have the p ...

你講得無錯。

正如先前我說過，大学收生，是收最top某個%的人材。所以，只要大学肯收，入到大学，就算不讀AL，只要努力一點，一定能收復失地的。正如中五理科生，入到恒商，一樣可奪好多A。

不過，作為一個斤斤計較的消費者，花同樣银碼学費，同樣ニ年時間，冇理由唔盡情学多啲嘢。况且，就算所学無用，花ニ年時間努力学無用的東西，其行為是何等浪漫，過程是達得回味的。

另一方面，完成中七課程，到歐美四年制大学，大可從二年班升起，冇話浪費時間。

作者: judy 時間: 10-10-11 12:42

According to Medical Faculty, EAS also opened for non-JUPAS students, the min requirement is 10A* in IGCSE. The interesting point is their admission through non-JUPAS route.

聽說，醫学院EAS收生：港大，要求8A。中大，7A。

作者: uncleedward 時間: 10-10-11 16:03

原帖由 judy 於 10-10-11 12:39 發表

况且，就算所学無用，花ニ年時間努力学無用的東西，其行為是何等浪漫，過程是達得回味的。

講到咁，唔夠你講。

作者: uncleedward 時間: 10-10-11 16:08

原帖由 judy 於 10-10-11 12:42 發表

聽說，醫学院EAS收生：港大，要求8A。中大，7A。

I think he is referring to 10 A* from IGCSE. I think its is still a less stringent requirement than 7 or 8A from HKCEE.

The problem is, however, how to select the subjects you do not hate so much to make up 10 subjects.

[ 本帖最後由 uncleedward 於 10-10-11 16:10 編輯 ]

作者: judy 時間: 10-10-11 16:51

I think he is referring to 10 A* from IGCSE. I think its is still a less stringent requirement than 7 or 8A from HKCEE.

uncle,

我知。要外出，有空再聊過。

作者: mattsmum 時間: 10-10-11 22:20 標題: 回覆 7# uncleedward 的文章

this happened in in my days, many years ago already.

作者: Tommy 時間: 10-10-12 00:05

原帖由 judy 於 10-10-11 12:39 發表

况且，就算所学無用，花ニ年時間努力学無用的東西，其行為是何等浪漫，過程是達得回味的。

怪不得有些女人愛上一個無用的男人歷時兩年，依然說：「好浪漫呀！」

作者: judy 時間: 10-10-12 11:30

原帖由 Tommy 於 10-10-12 00:05 發表
怪不得有些女人愛上一個無用的男人歷時兩年，依然說：「好浪漫呀！」

越唔實用嘅越浪漫。

作者: judy 時間: 10-10-12 12:39

The problem is, however, how to select the subjects you do not hate so much to make up 10 subjects.

uncle,

阿大剛好相反，佢好多科都想讀。有時間的話，佢仲想讀音樂、中國文學、英國文學。

作者: uncleedward 時間: 10-10-12 14:27

原帖由 judy 於 10-10-12 12:39 發表

uncle,

阿大剛好相反，佢好多科都想讀。有時間的話，佢仲想讀音樂、中國文學、英國文學。

For leisure, maybe. For exam, 何苦。My approach to exams is totally Holmesian. I would only bother to do whatever it needs to read the major I want, and no more. Of course, if I had wanted to read medicine, I would probably have conditioned myself to take 10 IGCSEs or 7 or 8 HKCEEs. Otherwise, why bother with pursuit of over 10A*s in IGCSE or 10 As or 5*s in HKCEE, except for vanity?

作者: yyyy 時間: 10-10-12 14:33

Hi ANChan,

do you remember who was the speaker for this talk? I did visit the campus but didn't attend the admission talk. When I called the Medical Faculty yesterday, they replied no more EAS... but advised me to call later on for details..

原帖由 ANChan59 於 10-10-9 15:07 發表
Just back from CUHK Orientation Day - Undergraduate Admission.

According to Medical Faculty, EAS also opened for non-JUPAS students, the min requirement is 10A* in IGCSE. The interesting point is the ...

作者: judy 時間: 10-10-12 14:53

For leisure, maybe. For exam, 何苦。My approach to exams is totally Holmesian. I would only bother to do whatever it needs to read the major I want, and no more. Of course, if I had wanted to read m ...

你的說法和我公司的一高層一樣。我和他提起阿大考10科，佢都話做咩咁蠢，過到骨就算啦。但我另有體驗，我有讀文學和文学史，那一两年之課程，加上我無聊時揭吓書，所學知識足供我吹吓水，無害。

又回到我那斤斤計較之本性上，花同樣錢和時間，為何不学多點呢？

作者: ANChan59 時間: 10-10-12 16:29

原帖由 yyyy 於 10-10-12 14:33 發表
Hi ANChan,
do you remember who was the speaker for this talk? I did visit the campus but didn't attend the admission talk. When I called the Medical Faculty yesterday, they replied no more EAS... but ...

10A* is the historical admitted requirement, I think there is one more year for EAS as for the last batch of HKCEE students. Then no more EAS is correct once no more HKCEE.

The admission talk hosted by Deputy Dean, Prof Tam Shiu Cheung, it was shown in the slides and also the admission literature of Medicine faculty.

作者: cow 時間: 10-10-15 20:23

以後學生還是可以用GCE成績報香港旳大學。

記得當年同一年考HKAL和GCEAL, GCE每科成績都高HKAL 3個grade. 但當年GCE成績在香港升學無甚幫助。

作者: TWMa 時間: 10-10-21 09:30

原帖由 cow 於 10-10-15 20:23 發表
以後學生還是可以用GCE成績報香港的大學。

果日問一個朋友, 佢都係咁話.
用外籍學生既額, 收外籍學生學費, 但絕對平過送出國.

作者: ANChan59 時間: 10-10-22 08:39

原帖由 TWMa 於 10-10-21 09:30 發表

果日問一個朋友, 佢都係咁話.
用外籍學生既額, 收外籍學生學費, 但絕對平過送出國.

It's a good tips, only HK$50-60K per year difference.

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