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標題: DBS真係好煩! [打印本頁]
作者: thomasha 時間: 10-9-10 17:27 標題: DBS真係好煩!
之前講過DBS簡介會安排不周，令部份比較遲黎o既家長要等超過兩個鐘o既下一場；又講過簡介會披露唔少o係學校網站冇講(但應該放落去)o既申請細節(例如面試日期，資料篇幅限制)。仲有就係佢地o既具體要求o係公開o既資料裡面講得不甚清晰，令我感到無比憤怒。
話說簡介會(我只聽左第一場)只講明交申請表時提供最多十頁資料，多左會扣分，但冇講明o個十頁o既範圍包d乜，按照其他學校慣例，身分證明文件同兩年成績表唔包o係呢十頁入面。有家長打去學校問，佢地居然話十頁資料係乜都包，即係身分證明文件同成績表都包，家長頓時嘩然兼頭痕，因為有d學校每年兩學期都各有成績表或進度表，仲詳細到有三四張咁厚，兩年有成十幾張，縮得太細又怕尊貴o既校長睇唔清楚。於是大家要抓爆頭，將咁多資料有效咁塞o係呢十頁度。
佢地最新o既遊戲係 (又係家長打去問先知) 講明出世紙同身分證唔准縮印，其他野先至可以縮。
救命呀，點解佢地要咁樣折磨d家長，規矩用擠牙膏方式滲d滲d出黎？! 唔通名校就可以咁樣麻煩d家長，定係而家已經算係對家長o既面試前測試？
作者: mat媽 時間: 10-9-10 17:29
我都好混亂呀.......
10頁 includes application form or not 呀?
作者: fireworks 時間: 10-9-10 17:42 標題: DBS真係好煩 !
我覺得您自己攞嚟煩囉 ! 如果 "吳考"就不会煩. 游戲有遊戲規則, 玩起就不要說三道四. 阻人前進及不用受磨.明白末?
作者: ysnmama 時間: 10-9-10 17:52
話又不能這樣說. 什麼不考不會煩. 遊戲規則當然要遵守. 但現在樓主就是說規則不清楚而已. 不是不想遵守.
今次男拔的申請細節比較之下, 是比其他學校混淆. 特別所需文件及portfolio的規定. 如果清晰一點. 大家也較好.
原帖由 fireworks 於 10-9-10 17:42 發表 
我覺得您自己攞嚟煩囉 ! 如果 "吳考"就不会煩. 游戲有遊戲規則, 玩起就不要說三道四. 阻人前進及不用受磨.明白末?
[ 本帖最後由 ysnmama 於 10-9-10 17:55 編輯 ]
作者: dlmcdlcl 時間: 10-9-10 17:54
好彩我仔學校一個學期都只係2張成績表, 又冇太多CERT. 我就OK, 唔會超標. 靠亞仔臨場表現ONLY
[ 本帖最後由 dlmcdlcl 於 10-9-10 17:57 編輯 ]
作者: manchester 時間: 10-9-10 17:59
I think from this incident, it can see how this school shall treat the parents. Therefore, for those who are eager to get in, just be prepared to tolerance such attitude in the entire school life...
作者: Geni 時間: 10-9-10 18:02
今年咁早就有投訴 
其實年年都有家長話佢地簡介會安排唔好, 面試安排唔好, second in 安排唔好.... 到出o左result又會有人話收生準則唔公平.....
無錯, 學校真係有好多可以改進o既地方, 但 既然已經決定參加呢個遊戲, 就唯有盡o下人事, 跟到幾多得幾多啦! 再講, 依家都只不過係一個開始, 睇唔順眼o既o野陸續有來, 所以最緊要唔好咁緊張, relax!
作者: bbAvalon 時間: 10-9-10 18:03
yes ar. Very confusing. Really don't know the requirement as not mentioned in its website.
If parents don't read baby-kingdom nor attending the seminar, just based on its website, really don't know there is restriction of 10 pages for all documents except application form.
But fine that only 5% mark will be counted for school reports, awards and certificates
The most important is interview performance as 1st interview 30% and 2nd interview 55% mark. The remaining 10% is for connection.
作者: BookloverJ 時間: 10-9-10 18:27
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作者: BookloverJ 時間: 10-9-10 18:53
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作者: thomasha 時間: 10-9-10 18:54
我當然會俾十頁紙佢，但唔係"身分證之類既文件另計"，因為佢地電話講明係計埋o係十頁之內。
我就係想符合遊戲規則先至會咁罄，佢如果早講同埋公開講我就心甘命抵。仲有就係，如果"多一張兩張紙"唔重要，點解打電話去學校問o個陣，接電話o個個人會咁強硬，而校長更講明多過十張會扣分？
當然你可以話，只係佔5分，比重唔會好大，不過呢個係處事態度係咪認真o既問題，你唔認真對待人地對你o既要求，個小朋友會有樣學樣都唔定。
原帖由 BookloverJ 於 10-9-10 18:27 發表
使唔使咁緊張呀, 人地話十頁資料咪比十頁資料囉, 身分證之類既文件我另計. 間學校點會因為多一張兩張紙而同你計較收唔收你個仔呀! 唔好咁蛇gwe啦!
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作者: acer1 時間: 10-9-10 18:55
其實覺得煩、大家唔夾咪唔好申請囉。何必一邊申請、一邉鬧。咁嘅申請手續都搞唔掂,何必勉強考名校呢?
作者: thomasha 時間: 10-9-10 19:03
佢地真係會逐份數，收表時佢地會對正本同埋檢查申請表o既附加資料，所以每份申請表交o個陣都要好耐，聽講要等成個鐘或以上架。
我唔知你交過表未，我有個家長朋友就真係o係交表o個陣被要求將多左出黎o既篇幅取走，到時先至黎煩唔要邊d頁數，仲煩。
原帖由 BookloverJ 於 10-9-10 18:53 發表
D學校整呢D規矩既目的都係唔想收D成本電話簿咁厚既Profile啫. 佢地邊會咁得閑同你逐份逐份數 “十張紙加分, 十一張紙扣分” 至得架!
總之人地叫你交十張紙, 你就唔好夠交廿張, 三十張就得架啦, 只要薄薄地就OK啦! ...
作者: thomasha 時間: 10-9-10 19:13
想間學校好先至鬧姐，如果已經對佢絕望就梗係慳番啖氣啦。
我地都有考其他名校，就係咁先至更凸顯呢間o既疏漏。
其實無話搞唔掂o既，事在人為，只係我唔明點解堂堂一間歷史咁耐o既名校，o係小一入學申請上搞到咁唔清晰。其實佢地咁樣，會不必要地增加學校負責接電話的人員o既工作量，唔係淨係加重家長麻煩。
原帖由 acer1 於 10-9-10 18:55 發表
其實覺得煩、大家唔夾咪唔好申請囉。何必一邊申請、一邉鬧。咁嘅申請手續都搞唔掂,何必勉強考名校呢?
作者: 戀仔狂 時間: 10-9-10 20:48
我唔理啦, 我照縮印出世紙啦, 家下揼到10頁啱啱好, 多一個位都冇, 我唔再攪架啦!!
作者: fongyuen 時間: 10-9-10 21:28
原帖由 thomasha 於 10-9-10 19:13 發表
想間學校好先至鬧姐，如果已經對佢絕望就梗係慳番啖氣啦。
我地都有考其他名校，就係咁先至更凸顯呢間o既疏漏。
其實無話搞唔掂o既，事在人為，只係我唔明點解堂堂一間歷史咁耐o既名校，o係小一入學申請上搞到咁唔清晰。其實 ...
雖然DBS並非我心目中的target（識人响裡面教，知道並不是那麼神），但都想說句公道話。我本身是教書的，學校每年都有不少外來生申請入讀，老實說，有很多家長都會給我們厚得很的portfolio，如果本本都要細心睇，都咪話小事，工作量比你所講大得多，所以我們都着重看小朋友面試表現。
其實好明白家長的苦心，但既然DBS有此指引（10張以內），好應專重學校的規矩。DGJS咪仲strict，限住4張A4，前幾年我姪女去考，一樣要犧牲好多張cert，最後都成功入到，所以唔好太緊張個portfolio，始終面試最緊要。
作者: SmallTungmama 時間: 10-9-10 21:34
你不用那麼緊張十頁, 十一頁, 定十二頁, 相信學校只是唔想收到太厚的附加資料, 你的表現直接影響囝囝的表現架, 放鬆D拉, 盡量付合學校的要求便是, 囝囝在面試的表現一定比profile重要得多, 小學部還新(只是成立了幾年), 仍有很多地方需要改進, 小兒當年一共交了四張紙, 沒有任相片. 不用担心profile做得好唔好, 好好把握面試前這段時間與囝囝一起看看心儀學校的資料, 討論一下有關心儀學校的生活, 讓囝囝更有自信地步入試場.
原帖由 thomasha 於 10-9-10 17:27 發表
之前講過DBS簡介會安排不周，令部份比較遲黎o既家長要等超過兩個鐘o既下一場；又講過簡介會披露唔少o係學校網站冇講(但應該放落去)o既申請細節(例如面試日期，資料篇幅限制)。仲有就係佢地o既具體要求o係公開o既資料裡面講 ...
作者: dlmcdlcl 時間: 10-9-10 21:34
你揀人, 人揀你, 況且, 一面倒都係"人揀你" 算把啦, 盡力做好學校要求就係我地APPLICIANT 既份內事.
平常心吧.
樓主, 你已經比一般的伸請人優勝, 因為你真係好主動, 識得打去學校問!! 我估好多家長都只係睇佢網上的資料去交FORM.
作者: cozymom 時間: 10-9-10 21:39
好明白樓主的心情，是實上學校只要做多一步，就可以令家長方便好多，
依個係作為一所負責任的教育機構應作的事情。
家長其實可以打去教育局有關的分區投訴，因為學校並無將必須的申請指引公平公開予每一位申請人，教育局是一定會要學校改善的。
作者: appleycma 時間: 10-9-10 21:57
dgs 都係4 page,冇所為la,如果覺得煩,可以唔申請,如果要申請,就唔好覺得煩.總之盡力la!
作者: BookloverJ 時間: 10-9-10 22:42
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作者: ICbaby 時間: 10-9-10 22:46
無錯 ! 我決定唔入form,份form 水蛇咁長,
加上最近比d亞太攪到好貴族咁款, 唔想個女第同人比較,自悲, 無咁大個頭唔好帶咁大頂帽, 免強無幸福~
作者: dlmcdlcl 時間: 10-9-10 22:54
亞女?? 你誤會左喇, 講緊既係男拔, 唔係女拔呀!!
原帖由 ICbaby 於 10-9-2010 10:46 PM 發表
無錯 ! 我決定唔入form,份form 水蛇咁長,
加上最近比d亞太攪到好貴族咁款, 唔想個女第同人比較,自悲, 無咁大個頭唔好帶咁大頂帽, 免強無幸福~
作者: ICbaby 時間: 10-9-10 22:57
原帖由 dlmcdlcl 於 10-9-10 22:54 發表
亞女?? 你誤會左喇, 講緊既係男拔, 唔係女拔呀!!
SORRY, 我打完先知我睇錯左DGJS
作者: acer1 時間: 10-9-10 23:09
原帖由 BookloverJ 於 10-9-10 22:42 發表
咁小事就話要去教育局投訴, 救命呀, 呢個係咩社會呢架, 真係病態!
作者: thomasha 時間: 10-9-11 00:08
正如我早前講，我無介意佢要限住十頁紙，我覺得呢個篇幅已經逐漸成為名校的標準，我亦理解老師和校長實在冇時間睇好厚o既portfolio. 我最不滿o既地方，係佢地o係公開o既資料裡面唔講清楚，搞到d家長要左問右問 - 簡介會講一d，打電話去又講d。
我只希望校方想我地體諒佢地唔想睇厚厚o既portfolio之餘，佢地都可以體諒o下家長o既苦況，避免因為要求唔清晰令家長轉。
原帖由 fongyuen 於 10-9-10 21:28 發表
雖然DBS並非我心目中的target（識人响裡面教，知道並不是那麼神），但都想說句公道話。我本身是教書的，學校每年都有不少外來生申請入讀，老實說，有很多家長都會給我們厚得很的portfolio，如果本本都要細心睇，都咪話小事，工作量比你 ...
作者: monkeybaba 時間: 10-9-11 00:12
以清楚為主,擺到幾多就擺幾多...
作者: thomasha 時間: 10-9-11 00:15
如果真係多一兩頁無所謂，我就唔係好明點解校長o係簡介會o個陣好確實咁話，多過十張會扣分，唔通只係靠嚇？
原帖由 SmallTungmama 於 10-9-10 21:34 發表
你不用那麼緊張十頁, 十一頁, 定十二頁, 相信學校只是唔想收到太厚的附加資料, 你的表現直接影響囝囝的表現架, 放鬆D拉, 盡量付合學校的要求便是, 囝囝在面試的表現一定比profile重要得多, 小學部還新(只是成立了幾 ...
作者: silvia_ng 時間: 10-9-11 00:36
樓主都係想講, 希望DBS統一D, 一次過講哂D要求出黎。唔希望每打一次電話去問, 又多一樣新野JE。
正如小朋友玩遊戲, 都講好RULES先玩啦, 唔係玩玩下加架麻!
如果有人MISS左某D POINTS, 而校長亦真係因此而扣分的話, 咁就對某D人唔公平了。再者, 申請人都唔會日日KEEP住打去問"今日有冇新野出呀?"
BTW...十頁計埋成績表真係好難攪喎...小女間學校持續評估, 一年就已經有10張評估成績了....真係有排縮呀!
作者: thomasha 時間: 10-9-11 00:48
說得好! 所以我話，呢個簡直係對家長o既面試前大測試。
發左咁多牢騷，係時候分享一下解決方法：
1. 佢話要"過去兩年的成績表"，可以考慮兩年都俾，不過淨係俾最後一個學期。
2. 父母的身分證佔位不多，可以考慮放在上方，下方空位可以好好利用。
原帖由 silvia_ng 於 10-9-11 00:36 發表
樓主都係想講, 希望DBS統一D, 一次過講哂D要求出黎。唔希望每打一次電話去問, 又多一樣新野JE。
正如小朋友玩遊戲, 都講好RULES先玩啦, 唔係玩玩下加架麻!
如果有人MISS左某D POINTS, 而校長亦真係因此而扣分的話 ...
作者: fundfund 時間: 10-9-11 01:05
請問十頁係單面定雙面?
如雙面可以接受喎！！
原帖由 silvia_ng 於 10-9-11 00:36 發表
樓主都係想講, 希望DBS統一D, 一次過講哂D要求出黎。唔希望每打一次電話去問, 又多一樣新野JE。
正如小朋友玩遊戲, 都講好RULES先玩啦, 唔係玩玩下加架麻!
如果有人MISS左某D POINTS, 而校長亦真係因此而扣分的話 ...
作者: 愚人 時間: 10-9-11 01:06
多謝樓主提醒, 我會張出世紙放底, 父母id 放上出世紙右上印, 咁就可以1版完成2個身份証明.
作者: thomasha 時間: 10-9-11 01:27
十頁紙，即係十張紙單面或五張紙雙面 (係簡介會講o既)
你唔接受都唔得啦，規矩係人地定。
原帖由 fundfund 於 10-9-11 01:05 發表
請問十頁係單面定雙面?
如雙面可以接受喎！！
作者: thomasha 時間: 10-9-11 01:31
父母id 放上出世紙右上印？出世紙好似無位可以插父母id入去，而且講到明唔准縮印。可否提供秘訣？
原帖由 愚人 於 10-9-11 01:06 發表
多謝樓主提醒, 我會張出世紙放底, 父母id 放上出世紙右上印, 咁就可以1版完成2個身份証明.
作者: tabodaisy 時間: 10-9-11 01:42
10 pages雙面
作者: thomasha 時間: 10-9-11 01:51
即係十頁，但可以自行選擇單面或雙面，單面十張紙，雙面五張紙，簡介會上寫得好清楚。
原帖由 tabodaisy 於 10-9-11 01:42 發表
10 pages雙面
作者: 愚人 時間: 10-9-11 02:00
我個仔張出世紙右邊係一大部分係無字, 只係得空格, 張父母ID 放上去右邊空位, 係唔會遮到出世紙任何INFO, 而且完全無縮細任何證件. 我唔知其他出世紙會唔會好似我個仔個張右邊有咁多空位. 希望你都成功.
原帖由 thomasha 於 10-9-11 01:31 發表
父母id 放上出世紙右上印？出世紙好似無位可以插父母id入去，而且講到明唔准縮印。可否提供秘訣？
作者: kids411 時間: 10-9-11 11:11
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作者: thomasha 時間: 10-9-11 11:34
多謝你o既寶貴意見，今朝一早製作埋呢頁，隨即交表去也!
原帖由 愚人 於 10-9-11 02:00 發表
我個仔張出世紙右邊係一大部分係無字, 只係得空格, 張父母ID 放上去右邊空位, 係唔會遮到出世紙任何INFO, 而且完全無縮細任何證件. 我唔知其他出世紙會唔會好似我個仔個張右邊有咁多空位. 希望你都成功.
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作者: thomasha 時間: 10-9-11 11:41
我就唔係唔高興人地唔睇我o個幾張證書，只係佢地o既要求唔清晰，唔打電話去問就唔會知佢地仲有乜野要注意。
算啦，我已經順利交左表，又發完牢騷，要再上路喇。
交表時原來一份正本都無對，連出世紙，身份證都無。
原帖由 kids411 於 10-9-11 11:11 發表
好多人唔鍾意小朋友有百幾張 cert 人地唔睇,
所以好勞氣麻,
我明 !
有冇睇過親子王 ?
人地講明臨場先最緊要.
作者: pamelaywy 時間: 10-9-11 11:59
原帖由 thomasha 於 10-9-11 11:41 發表
我就唔係唔高興人地唔睇我o個幾張證書，只係佢地o既要求唔清晰，唔打電話去問就唔會知佢地仲有乜野要注意。
算啦，我已經順利交左表，又發完牢騷，要再上路喇。
交表時原來一份正本都無對，連出世紙，身份證都無。
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唔好勞氣, 當你越見得多學校O既INTERVIEW 安排, 你亦會發覺大部份都好多不足之處.
要參加這個遊戲, 唔滿意都唯有死忍下去, 就算幾亂幾唔公平都好.
我囝上年都有玩呢個遊戲, 你O黎緊面對INTERVIEW 你可能會仲多O野煩. 規則人家定, 對的錯的家長沒法子投訴或SAY NO.
可以分享一下我上年不愉快的經歷, 我囝IN 完o個日, 我都有問佢情況, 佢屬於expressive 的人, interview 表現我不擔心, 也沒有教他, 只想也用自己方法表達自己, 得與唔得都聽天由命. 但這天佢話個老師同佢講普通話o既, 所以每條問題都要重覆問兩次, 佢要不停說不明白老師說什麼(先問普通話, 再問廣東話咁). 我覺得奇怪, 因為我明明填面試語言是廣東話, 我個囝完全唔識講普通話, 我唔會傻到填普通話增加佢second in 機會. 開頭以為可能學校考下小朋友反應, 但上bk 問過, 一係廣東話, 一係英文, 一係普通話, 不會有這樣情況. 後來有另一位家長complain 話佢個囝被誤編入普通話組, 大呼不公平, 我才知道原來同我個囝一樣遭遇. 同朋友講, 佢地問下做乜唔同學校講, 講o黎有乜用, 唔編錯都編錯咗, 你估學校會唔會respond 你.
結果唔駛講, 我個囝無機會second in, 同佢同校但平時表現一般小朋友都有second in, 的確有o的唔開心, 但你可以complain o的乜? 我唯一想囝入呢間, 之前還特別多報兩間競爭大的學校作rehersal (st paxl co 同 st. paxx), 結果呢兩個都有second in, 但dbs 偏偏無........
所以, 報學校呢o的o野真係要睇開o的, 世事很難料
[ 本帖最後由 pamelaywy 於 10-9-11 12:14 編輯 ]
作者: thomasha 時間: 10-9-11 12:19
所謂見微知著，由呢d小事可以想像佢地o既運作有幾好。
我個仔本來就唔係反應好快，報dbs只係博多一個機會，而家我地都好平常心面對面試同入學結果，所謂塞翁失馬，你個仔當年dbs無2nd int未嘗係好事呢。
原帖由 pamelaywy 於 10-9-11 11:59 發表
唔好勞氣, 當你越見得多學校O既INTERVIEW 安排, 你亦會發覺大部份都好多不足之處.
要參加這個遊戲, 唔滿意都唯有死忍下去, 就算幾亂幾唔公平都好.
我囝上年都有玩呢個遊戲, 你O黎緊面對INTERVIEW 你可能會仲多O野 ...
作者: kalongma 時間: 10-9-11 14:04
原帖由 thomasha 於 10-9-11 12:19 發表
所謂見微知著，由呢d小事可以想像佢地o既運作有幾好。
我個仔本來就唔係反應好快，報dbs只係博多一個機會，而家我地都好平常心面對面試同入學結果，所謂塞翁失馬，你個仔當年dbs無2nd int未嘗係好事呢。
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would you mind tell us how long does it take to submit the application ?
作者: thomasha 時間: 10-9-11 14:52
About 30 minutes for queuing up (waiting area+hall) (~40 people in front of me) and 5 minutes for checking the application form and supporting documents.
原帖由 kalongma 於 10-9-11 14:04 發表
would you mind tell us how long does it take to submit the application ?
作者: js829 時間: 10-9-11 17:08
我好記得校長話係可以縮影, 但最好唔好縮到好細, 因為係佢看, 同埋佢話多少少頁係唔更要, 無話扣分喎!
作者: jenleelee 時間: 10-9-11 17:31
原帖由 thomasha 於 10-9-11 14:52 發表
About 30 minutes for queuing up (waiting area+hall) (~40 people in front of me) and 5 minutes for checking the application form and supporting documents.
請問你現場所見,如多過5張紙係唔係一定唔收多出的那些?另外小朋友的身分證要不不交副本?
Thanks.
作者: thomasha 時間: 10-9-11 18:19
1. 我無留意到其他人有無因為超過篇幅限制要取回多左o既部份，不過當時我比較緊張自己o既部份，可能無睇到。
2. 小朋友如果有出世紙，就唔駛交身分證。
原帖由 jenleelee 於 10-9-11 17:31 發表
請問你現場所見,如多過5張紙係唔係一定唔收多出的那些?另外小朋友的身分證要不不交副本?
Thanks.
作者: thomasha 時間: 10-9-11 18:22
我聽第一場簡介會，講到明多左會扣分，我仲錄左音再聽過，無花無假。當然，佢講笑定講真，我就唔知勒。
原帖由 js829 於 10-9-11 17:08 發表
我好記得校長話係可以縮影, 但最好唔好縮到好細, 因為係佢看, 同埋佢話多少少頁係唔更要, 無話扣分喎!
作者: 一個過來人 時間: 10-9-11 18:24
都知道小朋友考學校大人一定好緊張, 但千萬唔好為咁小事影響心情, 我當年就試過去 St. Paul xx 依足規定交表 (唔記得係幾多張, 但一定係 10 張紙以內), 但就俾人要求攞走一D 佢話無用嘅, 校長唔會睇嘅嘢, 只係一張紙, 又無超標, 我都覺得好無聊, 晒大家時間, 因為仲有好多人等緊交表, 咁我仲激氣喇 ! 輕鬆 D 喇!
作者: woodyBB 時間: 10-9-11 18:41
因錯過了取表日期, 請問可以PM我一份申請表格嗎?
萬分感激!謝謝幫忙!
作者: thomasha 時間: 10-9-11 19:48
今年都有同樣情況，你講o個間學校都叫我攞走一張佢地話唔會睇o既野，不過我又覺得無傷大雅，反正都係一d額外資料，無左都唔緊要，亦可以話情有可原，而且只係由其他portfolio copy and paste，無涉及好多功夫。
好似我早前話齋，牢騷發過，就要收拾心情，重新上路。
原帖由 一個過來人 於 10-9-11 18:24 發表
都知道小朋友考學校大人一定好緊張, 但千萬唔好為咁小事影響心情, 我當年就試過去 St. Paul xx 依足規定交表 (唔記得係幾多張, 但一定係 10 張紙以內), 但就俾人要求攞走一D 佢話無用嘅, 校長唔會睇嘅嘢, 只係一張紙 ...
作者: ANChan59 時間: 10-9-11 20:48
From my experience, Portofolio is not so important, why spend so much time to complain here?
Vital few..... which parts have higher percentage..... focus on high % items and don't lose focus.
If you have hard feeling about the school and like to complain, find a better one in good admission administration, unlimited pages portofolio, no famous people apply..... you have the choice.
If not you need to complain 12 more years, what's for....
作者: thomasha 時間: 10-9-11 22:09
If you had paid attention to what I wrote earlier, you would have realised that, apart from voicing out my complaints, I also looked for solutions to comply with their requirements.
I have already mentioned twice that the grievances are behind me and I will move on to what I should focus on.
I haven't lost any time in the necessary "focus". I only complained when my son was asleep. hahaha
原帖由 ANChan59 於 10-9-11 20:48 發表
From my experience, Portofolio is not so important, why spend so much time to complain here?
Vital few..... which parts have higher percentage..... focus on high % items and don't lose focus.
If you ...
作者: ANChan59 時間: 10-9-11 22:42
Don't take it personal, I am not pointing at you, I address the sentiment in this post in general (All parents).
Be positive and well prepare for the first interview. (To you)
作者: manmak88 時間: 10-9-11 22:50
十頁其實真的沒什麼問題........
你覺得好特別的東西, 人地有乜未見過
正常就是比最特別的東西去show 小朋友
你有料多左幾頁我覺得佢唔會唔收
無料你有一百頁都是浪費 (人地重要去study 你個小朋友這一百頁的重點......)
不過我真的見到有人比大file.....
有人九cert 一頁, 遠睇勁有型, 不過是不是實際就......
作者: thomasha 時間: 10-9-11 23:05
我主要係話佢地要求唔清晰，唔問就唔知，唔係話佢限頁數o既問題。我唔係好多證書，推薦信，所以我唔係介意佢唔夠位俾我擺cert.
當然，佢地要我地俾齊兩年成績表亦係難度，我地幼稚園每學期3頁，一年兩個學期，即係總共12頁。我地最後都諗到辦法解決左。
原帖由 manmak88 於 10-9-11 22:50 發表
十頁其實真的沒什麼問題........
你覺得好特別的東西, 人地有乜未見過
正常就是比最特別的東西去show 小朋友
你有料多左幾頁我覺得佢唔會唔收
無料你有一百頁都是浪費 (人地重要去study 你個小朋友這一百頁的重點... ...
作者: ANChan59 時間: 10-9-11 23:07
Suggestions
1. A whole hearted self-introduction letter to highlight the strength of your boy with examples (1 page)
2. An Excel summary of the achievement of the boy in the past 2-3 years - highlight some exceptional achievement and with attachment(1-2 page)
3. Personal details copy, like ID, birth cert (1 page)
4. Attachments (6-7 pages)
How to pick the attachments reflect the judgement of parents and the understanding of the selection criteria of DBSPD.
作者: ANChan59 時間: 10-9-11 23:14
DBS is a very very liberal school, no need to follow any format from "educational consultant". Just follow your heart.
作者: thomasha 時間: 10-9-11 23:20
Your suggested structure would be perfect if the school did not require the school reports (last 2 years) to be included in 10 pages.
The employee of the school who responded to my phone enquiries showed little flexibility when asked about details to be submitted. If DBS is a liberal school, I must have got the opposite impression from that employee.
原帖由 ANChan59 於 10-9-11 23:07 發表
Suggestions
1. A whole hearted self-introduction letter to highlight the strength of your boy with examples (1 page)
2. An Excel summary of the achievement of the boy in the past 2-3 years - highlig ...
作者: manmak88 時間: 10-9-11 23:20
係, 幼稚園只是k1 都有 4頁x4季.......
佢問我有無成績單
我話唔重要無比, 因為不是成績, 也沒有評語
佢份野跟本就是成年的學生報告書......
比你都唔會想睇, 我比左自己做的7頁野比佢
只有一頁半是幼稚園野
原帖由 thomasha 於 10-9-11 23:05 發表
我主要係話佢地要求唔清晰，唔問就唔知，唔係話佢限頁數o既問題。我唔係好多證書，推薦信，所以我唔係介意佢唔夠位俾我擺cert.
當然，佢地要我地俾齊兩年成績表亦係難度，我地幼稚園每學期3頁，一年兩個學期，即係總共12頁。我地最 ...
作者: ANChan59 時間: 10-9-11 23:23 標題: 回覆 59# thomasha 的文章
He/she is a clerk only.....
Will they be interviewers?
What I mean for liberal is my son can challenge Terrence Cheung in the assembly, teachers etc with grounds of course, they can take it. You can break the rule is the key.
If your son also apply for SPCC, you know what I mean.
[ 本帖最後由 ANChan59 於 10-9-11 23:31 編輯 ]
作者: ANChan59 時間: 10-9-11 23:26
原帖由 manmak88 於 10-9-11 23:20 發表
係, 幼稚園只是k1 都有 4頁x4季.......
佢問我有無成績單
我話唔重要無比, 因為不是成績, 也沒有評語
佢份野跟本就是成年的學生報告書......
比你都唔會想睇, 我比左自己做的7頁野比佢
只有一頁半是幼稚園野
...
You know the trick and not just follow the rule. If you teach you son like this, your son will have a better chance.
作者: thomasha 時間: 10-9-11 23:43
Her post is not important. If the headteacher assigns her to answer parents' enquiries, I am entitled to take the clerk (or whatever her post is)'s words as representing the school.
Just like, if you are a boss, you will try to ensure that your receptionist disseminates correct info, and that if she does not have the authority or ability to give an answer, she should consult others who have such authority before answering.
Thank you for letting me know how liberal DBS is. If I had known it earlier, I would have addressed my concern to the headteacher or someone senior in the school instead. I really believed the lady answering the phone had the authority and ability to give me those answers.
原帖由 ANChan59 於 10-9-11 23:23 發表
He/she is a clerk only.....
Will they be interviewers?
What I mean for liberal is my son can challenge Terrence Cheung in the assembly, teachers etc with grounds of course, they can take it. You can ...
作者: ANChan59 時間: 10-9-11 23:58 標題: 回覆 63# thomasha 的文章
Whoever is not important right now.
Your son is the most important, that's his chance and future. I wish he can have the offer from DBSPD and you and your son have a choice to take it or leave it.
作者: bbAvalon 時間: 10-9-11 23:58
as some people told, it seems that there are two version of requirement of 10 pages as mentioned in their seminars. pls correct if below information is wrong.
In Seminar 1: Only 10 pages including K1 & K2 reports, ID, birth certificate...all documents. If over 10 pages, marks will be deducted
In Seminar 2: as some kindergartens have a lot of pages for K1 & K2 reports, additional 1-2 pages is allowed, on top of 10 pages.
In its school website, it does not mention any requirement of 10 pages that include K1 & K2 School rports, ID..& other documents.
In my case, as K1 & K2 reports (4 seminster) has total 24 pages. It is somehow difficult for me to fullfil its requirement of 10 pages.
When I called the office of the school, the lady is strict to answer that all K1 & K2 reports MUST be included, but can do the minimization, however, should also been read. For ID & birth certificate, it is NOT allowed to minimize.
It come out the feeling that it is unclear and strict regarding its requirement.
[ 本帖最後由 bbAvalon 於 10-9-12 00:05 編輯 ]
作者: manmak88 時間: 10-9-12 00:09
甘最後你點做?
老實說最後都是要一個解決方法
你覺得那一個最好就去吧
到最後佢唔收都是人家的決定
原帖由 bbAvalon 於 10-9-11 23:58 發表
as some people told, it seems that there are two version of requirement of 10 pages as mentioned in their seminars. pls correct if below information is wrong.
In Seminar 1: Only 10 pages including K ...
作者: WinkyLee 時間: 10-9-12 00:17
原本都想報下, 不過, 最終都係唔報DBS. 分析過後, 自己認為DBS合3類人讀, 1 係好叻, 1係有米, 1係有專長. 我阿仔3樣都唔係, 所以費事去. 
原帖由 Geni 於 10-9-10 18:02 發表
今年咁早就有投訴
其實年年都有家長話佢地簡介會安排唔好, 面試安排唔好, second in 安排唔好.... 到出o左result又會有人話收生準則唔公平.....
無錯, 學校真係有好多可以改進o既地方, 但 既然已經決定 ...
[ 本帖最後由 WinkyLee 於 10-9-12 00:18 編輯 ]
作者: thomasha 時間: 10-9-12 00:24
Thank you for your good wishes. If your son is applying for P1 this time, I hope he will be accepted by any school you (and your son) desires and you will have choices to choose from.
原帖由 ANChan59 於 10-9-11 23:58 發表
Whoever is not important right now.
Your son is the most important, that's his chance and future. I wish he can have the offer from DBSPD and you and your son have a choice to take it or leave it.
作者: ANChan59 時間: 10-9-12 00:32
原帖由 thomasha 於 10-9-12 00:24 發表
Thank you for your good wishes. If your son is applying for P1 this time, I hope he will be accepted by any school you (and your son) desires and you will have choices to choose from.
He is in Grade 10 - DBS.
作者: LaLa 時間: 10-9-12 00:32
其實有無人因為多過10張紙或縮印 HKID / b-cert 而比 DBS 即場 reject 份 application? Or 有無人交唔齊 K1 & K2 兩年 reports 而比人追問? 我又縮印 b-cert, 又只交 K1 & K2 下學期 reports, 都無比人問, 我諗 OK 掛?!
其實佢地已經對過 HKID / b-cert / captism cert 正本, 咁縮細少少(當然要粒粒字都睇得到啦)又有 mud 問題呢?
作者: thomasha 時間: 10-9-12 00:37
Thank you for sharing the details. I didn't know the inconsistency between the 2 seminars, even though the school had stressed several times that they were identical. If I had known that before, it would have added to my fury.
My solution:
1. Provide only the school reports for the last term of each of K1 and K2 (3 pages each, shrunk to one page each with small but legible text size)
2. Print birth cert+IDs of parents on the same page - ID's on the blank space on the birth cert.
3. Shrink everything else to a still legible size.
原帖由 bbAvalon 於 10-9-11 23:58 發表
as some people told, it seems that there are two version of requirement of 10 pages as mentioned in their seminars. pls correct if below information is wrong.
In Seminar 1: Only 10 pages including K ...
作者: angelhair 時間: 10-9-12 02:11
I also attended the first briefing section and all along I think that the 10 pages means the page limit of "portfolio" and therefore should not include any supporting document like HKID, Birth Cert, School Report etc. I also recall that Mr. Cheung said if exceed 10 pages, score will be deducted...
I think this is "clear enough" and have never thought of that the 10 pages include HKID, Birth Cert, School Report.....(?) And hence I've never thought of calling DBS to clarify again... Yet I do agree that this should be stated clearly in the application requirement as this is quite unfair for parents not able to attend the briefing section.
I just started to prepare the application and my "10-page" portfolio when I suddenly read this post... Really need to re-plan my pages again...
Anyway, thanks thomasha for sharing the requirement. It's not a matter of "the no. of pages" (some schools' requirement is even less) but agree that it's more a concern of whether the requirement is conveyed clearly and fairly to all potential applicants.
作者: yypapa 時間: 10-9-12 02:27
angelhair,
I attended the first session and had the same understanding as you do. Sticking on this belief, I submitted today 2 pages of b-certificate + ID, 12 pages of K1+K2 report card and 10 pages portfolio. They took all without question asked or counting.
Someone in the BK said they were really counting # of pages. It didn't happen to me. It appears different attending teacher is handling the "10 pages" differently.
Confusing eough !? Anyhow, the attending teachers are quite friendly !!
原帖由 angelhair 於 10-9-12 02:11 發表
I also attended the first briefing section and all along I think that the 10 pages means the page limit of "portfolio" and therefore should not include any supporting document like HKID, Birth Cert, S ...
[ 本帖最後由 yypapa 於 10-9-12 02:33 編輯 ]
作者: angelhair 時間: 10-9-12 02:34
原帖由 yypapa 於 10-9-12 02:27 發表
angelhair,
I attended the first session and had the same understanding as you do. Sticking on this belief, I submitted today 2 pages of b-certificate + ID, 12 pages of K1+K2 report card and 10 page ...
Thanks yayapapa for your sharing...
Sigh... Better get prepared for both possibilities.
I'm a busy working mom and is having sleepless nights recently in preparing the P.1 applications. It'll certainly be better if the requirements are clear so that I don't need to go through the 冤枉路...
作者: thomasha 時間: 10-9-12 02:38
Thank you for your understanding.
I don't mind even fewer pages of "other info" so long as the requirements are clearly and publicly stated. One of the schools we are going to apply only lets us give 2 pages of "other info". It is their right and we can think of how to comply with the requirement the best we can as early as possible.
It is quite common for the page limit to refer to the portfolio or "other info" only and naturally we tend to assume it is true for DBS too. Some smart parents did not want to rely on this assumption and called the school for clarification, so this "game" started to run wildly after the shocking news about the scope of the 10 pages was received. :)
原帖由 angelhair 於 10-9-12 02:11 發表
I also attended the first briefing section and all along I think that the 10 pages means the page limit of "portfolio" and therefore should not include any supporting document like HKID, Birth Cert, S ...
作者: thomasha 時間: 10-9-12 02:49
Congratulations!
I think it is only fair to all applicants that the requirements are published and have enough details for the parents to prepare the materials accordingly. If some info is only disseminated in the admission briefing or by answering phone enquiries, it will be unfair to parents who cannot afford the time or effort in attending the briefing or making phone calls to the school during office hours.
Anyway, I submitted the 10-page attachment today.
原帖由 yypapa 於 10-9-12 02:27 發表
angelhair,
I attended the first session and had the same understanding as you do. Sticking on this belief, I submitted today 2 pages of b-certificate + ID, 12 pages of K1+K2 report card and 10 page ...
作者: ysnmama 時間: 10-9-12 08:25
Sorry that the Headmaster of DBS is Mr. Terence CHANG.
原帖由 ANChan59 於 10-9-11 23:23 發表
He/she is a clerk only.....
Will they be interviewers?
What I mean for liberal is my son can challenge Terrence Cheung in the assembly, teachers etc with grounds of course, they can take it. You can ...
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作者: ANChan59 時間: 10-9-12 09:44 標題: 回覆 77# ysnmama 的文章
Thanks for your correction.
作者: bbAvalon 時間: 10-9-12 10:30
Thank your for your suggestion too. Finally, I only submitted the 2nd seminster of K1 & K2 Report. Squeeze 12 pages school reports into 4 pages. Actually, school report become small but still can seen if put effort to see. One page for Birt. cert. as said not allow to minimize per advice by school lady. One page for all IDs. 4 pages for additional own documents.
They have no question to school report if it is too small.
原帖由 thomasha 於 10-9-12 00:37 發表
Thank you for sharing the details. I didn't know the inconsistency between the 2 seminars, even though the school had stressed several times that they were identical. If I had known that before, it ...
作者: bbAvalon 時間: 10-9-12 10:40
As I have called the school whether it is fine to submit 2-3 additional pages as my schhool reports are too much that will over 10 pages requirement. The lady is strictly said that they will not accept if over 10 pages.
As I can't wait to submit the reports on Monday & tuesday as we need to work. I have squeeze the school reports for submission on sat. Moreover, I really not sure whether they will deduct the mark if over 10 pages. As they may test the parents whether they have attended their talk on 4/9. If they have attended, they should know the rule of 10 pages requirement. Perhaps I have thought too much.
Anyway it is good to hear that they accept your documents that even over 20 pages. At least don't require the parents to go again on monday to submit documents within 10 pages.
原帖由 yypapa 於 10-9-12 02:27 發表
angelhair,
I attended the first session and had the same understanding as you do. Sticking on this belief, I submitted today 2 pages of b-certificate + ID, 12 pages of K1+K2 report card and 10 page ...
作者: manmak88 時間: 10-9-12 15:45
thought too much......
佢都比左個比分表你參考
果份野只佔得5%
交左就唔好苦惱甘多啦
原帖由 bbAvalon 於 10-9-12 10:40 發表
As I have called the school whether it is fine to submit 2-3 additional pages as my schhool reports are too much that will over 10 pages requirement. The lady is strictly said that they will not acce ...
作者: d2343130 時間: 10-9-12 16:42
其實交表時會CHECK 正本嗎?
作者: angelhair 時間: 10-9-12 18:28
Still working...
回心一諗，if 10 page is all-inclusive, 咁又係聖公會又係舊生嗰啲咪仲弊？
作者: thomasha 時間: 10-9-12 20:25
No, they won't check the originals.
原帖由 d2343130 於 10-9-12 16:42 發表
其實交表時會CHECK 正本嗎?
作者: thomasha 時間: 10-9-12 20:28
Logically, if they already asked parents to withdraw the excess pages, they would not have a basis to deduct marks unless the collector of forms made a remark somewhere to let interviewers know an excess of pages has been submitted. As I didn't see any such remarks while the forms were submitted, I suppose the counting will be done by the interviewers themselves and any excess will be penalised directly.
原帖由 bbAvalon 於 10-9-12 10:40 發表
As I have called the school whether it is fine to submit 2-3 additional pages as my schhool reports are too much that will over 10 pages requirement. The lady is strictly said that they will not acce ...
作者: thomasha 時間: 10-9-12 20:30
Yes, the more you are related to DBS, the tighter your pages. haha
原帖由 angelhair 於 10-9-12 18:28 發表
Still working...
回心一諗，if 10 page is all-inclusive, 咁又係聖公會又係舊生嗰啲咪仲弊？
作者: Summer 時間: 10-9-13 00:43
Please help. Do the 10 pages mean 10 pages in total or 10 pieces of paper in total. Do they allow to print both sides?
作者: huba 時間: 10-9-13 01:23
According to the headteacher's clarification during the seminar, max. 5 pcs of 2 sided paper.
原帖由 Summer 於 13/9/2010 00:43 發表
Please help. Do the 10 pages mean 10 pages in total or 10 pieces of paper in total. Do they allow to print both sides?
作者: Summer 時間: 10-9-13 01:28
huba,
Many thanks to your quick reply.
原帖由 huba 於 10-9-13 01:23 發表
According to the headteacher's clarification during the seminar, max. 5 pcs of 2 sided paper.
作者: huba 時間: 10-9-13 01:29
Relax. A parent has asked the headteacher the question about excessive pages caused by lengthy schools reports. The headteacher replied that it's she who read the submitted documents and just 2 or 3 pages in excess is fine for her.
原帖由 bbAvalon 於 12/9/2010 10:40 發表
As I have called the school whether it is fine to submit 2-3 additional pages as my schhool reports are too much that will over 10 pages requirement. The lady is strictly said that they will not acce ...
作者: thomasha 時間: 10-9-13 07:51
Unfortunately, this happened in the 2nd session of the admission briefing and in the 1st session, in which the headmaster said clearly that marks will be deducted.
原帖由 huba 於 10-9-13 01:29 發表
Relax. A parent has asked the headteacher the question about excessive pages caused by lengthy schools reports. The headteacher replied that it's she who read the submitted documents and just 2 or 3 p ...
作者: manmak88 時間: 10-9-13 09:15
其實大家不用重複又重複甘去估對方會點
老實說你知道什麼是重要什麼是不重要的吧
資料不是多就好, 如果你覺得全都重要, 米比曬佢......
佢5% 的分可能見你多左頁減你幾分, 不過可能見你多出來的資料好正又加反幾分.....
反正沒人估計到佢地最buy 什麼
放鬆一d 啦
原帖由 thomasha 於 10-9-13 07:51 發表
Unfortunately, this happened in the 2nd session of the admission briefing and in the 1st session, in which the headmaster said clearly that marks will be deducted.
作者: thomasha 時間: 10-9-13 09:39
我已經交左表，其實o係呢度"豬up"都係想將所知所想同其他家長分享，等佢地自己決定點樣處理。
撇開校方發放消息的方法和內容有疏漏同唔一致唔講，其實講到尾只係佔5分，係咪值得花大多周章去諗實在見仁見智。
我係個比較講原則o既人，所以都會盡力符合人地o既要求。不過，如果有d好正o既野想俾校長知，話唔定加o既分仲多過超過篇幅可能扣o既分。
總之，唔好因為呢d野令你顧此失彼，黎緊仲有大把野做架。
原帖由 manmak88 於 10-9-13 09:15 發表
其實大家不用重複又重複甘去估對方會點
老實說你知道什麼是重要什麼是不重要的吧
資料不是多就好, 如果你覺得全都重要, 米比曬佢......
佢5% 的分可能見你多左頁減你幾分, 不過可能見你多出來的資料好正又加反幾分.. ...
作者: ANChan59 時間: 10-9-13 09:42
原帖由 manmak88 於 10-9-13 09:15 發表
其實大家不用重複又重複甘去估對方會點
老實說你知道什麼是重要什麼是不重要的吧
資料不是多就好, 如果你覺得全都重要, 米比曬佢......
佢5% 的分可能見你多左頁減你幾分, 不過可能見你多出來的資料好正又加反幾分.. ...
I echo your point.
What should be in the portfolio reflect their parents judgement? Important, relevance, number of pages...
If a school's administration or philosophy really bother me or my son, I won't apply for that or drop the interview.
作者: bbAvalon 時間: 10-9-13 10:09
Agree, and thanks for your sharing. Having more information can let the parents to judge when those parents not yet submit the application form.
原帖由 thomasha 於 10-9-13 09:39 發表
我已經交左表，其實o係呢度"豬up"都係想將所知所想同其他家長分享，等佢地自己決定點樣處理。
撇開校方發放消息的方法和內容有疏漏同唔一致唔講，其實講到尾只係佔5分，係咪值得花大多周章去諗實在見仁見智。
我係個比較講 ...
作者: hsbmama 時間: 10-9-13 11:23
Last year, I went to St Paul Boys with a 5 pgs portfolio total but binded on the side, when I got there the man who accepted my form and portfolio cut off the side where I had binded to make 5 pgs of loose A4 staple at 1 corner, ended up really ugly. It might not be to my liking but did I want to apply, yes... and personally I didn't think what the big difference was stapled on the side or at the corner, but it was their requirement and if it can be of help to the school then so be it, no point to complain and complain and complain; energy wasted.
You guys take it easy la, I think just common sense can point you guys in the right direction...
http://happypama.mingpao.com/cfm/study1.cfm
作者: thomasha 時間: 10-9-13 11:37
St Paul Boys improved their specifications this year by saying no binding was necessary in their web site and in the "notes to applicants" leaflet. It seems to make sense as they will destroy the application documents afterwards and it will save their time in removing the binding and shredding the papers.
原帖由 hsbmama 於 10-9-13 11:23 發表
Last year, I went to St Paul Boys with a 5 pgs portfolio total but binded on the side, when I got there the man who accepted my form and portfolio cut off the side where I had binded to make 5 pgs of ...
作者: hsbmama 時間: 10-9-13 11:54
http://happypama.mingpao.com/cfm/study1.cfm
I think Ms Lo is pretty clear in explaining the point of view of the school why they are limiting the amount of pages of the portfolio. Personally I think if they don't say 'we are going to deduct points' then all the parents will IGNORE them!! I think it is a guide to think about what is important to put into your portfolio, 精簡! And if you dare, you don't even have to hand in one!!
cheers
作者: littlefaith 時間: 10-9-13 12:27
原帖由 hsbmama 於 10-9-13 11:54 發表
http://happypama.mingpao.com/cfm/study1.cfm
I think Ms Lo is pretty clear in explaining the point of view of the school why they are limiting the amount of pages of the portfolio. Personally I think ...
看了這麼多評論，個人覺得最中肯就是這個。
不知打從何年何月，家長報小一「需要」遞交小朋友的個人槪覽，比見工還認真。真懷疑究竟有多少學校會認認真真去逐本細看設計精美、證書滿載的profile，尤其是至熱門的、動輒數千人報讀的名校。
當然，明白現今家長如果交一份薄薄的profile，始終心中會覺得很不舒服，因為怕給別人厚厚的profile比下去。可是，學校真的要靠這些琳瑯滿目的profile來決定取錄與否嗎？真的很懷疑。
故此，不要給profile頁數多少、或校長會不會真的扣分那麼緊張，到面試時，如果小朋友表現欠佳，要扣的分比那份過厚profile多上幾倍呢﹗
作者: thomasha 時間: 10-9-13 12:54
很同意，profile應該精簡，交得越厚不等於機會一定高一點，反而校長更有可能一眼也不看。
我製作的profile以簡約清楚為主，沒有釘裝，只用釘書機釘著左上角，比賽證書兩三張，推薦信兩三張，再加一個簡單但有條理，像履歷表的文字簡介，就完工了，頂多是有些學校我會多交一張全是照片的放在最後作點綴。
原帖由 littlefaith 於 10-9-13 12:27 發表
看了這麼多評論，個人覺得最中肯就是這個。
不知打從何年何月，家長報小一「需要」遞交小朋友的個人槪覽，比見工還認真。真懷疑究竟有多少學校會認認真真去逐本細看設計精美、證書滿載的profile，尤其是至熱門的、動輒數千 ...
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