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作者: thankful 時間: 10-8-2 01:12 標題: CTY and EPGY
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作者: Chole 時間: 10-8-5 00:05
EPGY is more famous in HK (probably because they have an agent here organising courses and "talent competition").
Just finished some research: I've read US people's comments. To my surprise, it seems that CTY is more "prestigious" than EPGY because the former is more selective and the courses are easily filled up. Whereas some comment that you can apply for the Humanities courses of EPGY at any time.
The above refers to their summer courses, not the distance learning web-based courses.
Are you considering sending your kid to a residential summer camp? How old is your kid?
作者: thankful 時間: 10-8-5 01:36
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作者: Y2KChild 時間: 10-8-5 09:46
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作者: Chole 時間: 10-8-5 11:40
Most of the kids/parents talked about Math courses (math talent is the easiest to be identified). I think in the US, they offer distance learning course and assign a tutor so that the kid could call/email the tutor when necessary. So some say that it all depends on whether the tutor is always available to help.
Sorry, I have no idea about the Infokid course taken in HK. Is it a "taught" tutorial? Is the tutor provided by Infokid in HK? If so, what are their qualifications? I would love my girl to take Eng courses too but am worried that I need to push her to complete the writing work and make it "no fun" for her.
Hope more mama/dad could share.
原帖由 Y2KChild 於 10-8-5 09:46 發表 
Hi Chole,
我在"資優教育"版開了以下標題但完全沒有人回覆，不知閣下對此課程有否認識，請賜教。
謝謝！
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請問有否曾參加infoKids(EPGY) - W 系列 Elementary Writing 課程
如題。
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作者: Chole 時間: 10-8-5 11:48
Yes, they need to take the SAT. I heard that in the US, the school will only "invite" you to take SAT if you are on the top 5%, and the intake by CTY to summer courses is judged by:
1. repeat CTYer - their scores
2. new CTYer - their scores
So that's pretty competitive if your kid wants to enrol in a popular course.
I guess some test prep is necessary but there's no harm if she intends to apply for US college in future.
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原帖由 thankful 於 10-8-5 01:36 發表
Chole, thanks for the reply. Yes, I am thinking about it. But CTY requires my kid to take SAT as she is no longer in Grade 6 or below. It's a headache because she probably has to attend one of thos ...
作者: Y2KChild 時間: 10-8-5 12:46
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作者: thankful 時間: 10-8-5 12:59
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作者: Chole 時間: 10-8-5 14:17
Thank you for your detailed sharing.
Please share with us again after your kid joins EPGY!
原帖由 Y2KChild 於 10-8-5 12:46 發表
The EPGY writing course is also a web-based course. Infokids in HK is only the agent for administration of the English writing course.
On the other hand, Infokids in HK will conduct the Maths tutori ...
作者: arielle.w 時間: 10-8-6 11:30
I actually have participated in EPGY and CTY, and another gifted children program at Northwestern University.
I highly recommend CTY if you want to pick a programme between the two. Amongst the three that I participated, CTY is definitely the best. I don't know what subject you want your kid to take but I took AP Calculus BC there. The centre will provide you with an user ID and password to log onto the online learning portal and you take the lessons there. The materials at CTY are interesting and easy to understand no matter how complicated the concepts actually are. If your child has any problem, s/he can contact his/her tutor by e-mail, message, phone or sometimes even skype.
For EGPY, I got a CD from Stanford for the class I take. Basically, you put the CD in your computer and install the program. The program allows you to take class on your own computer by your user ID. Honestly, it is much boring than CTY. You can only hear the voice of the tutor and learn by watching the virtual whiteboard. If you have problems, you can also contact the tutor by yourself. And I think the Stanford professors are so used to university lectures that they make everything so complicated.
If you want to know more about CTY, EPGY or another programme at Northwestern U, feel free to ask :)
作者: thankful 時間: 10-8-6 11:51
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作者: Y2KChild 時間: 10-8-6 12:00
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作者: thankful 時間: 10-8-6 13:16
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作者: arielle.w 時間: 10-8-6 14:01
I applied to EPGY directly to Stanford.
原帖由 thankful 於 10-8-6 13:16 發表
arielle.w,
On second thought, did you do the EPGY through Infokids or you did it by applying to EPGY directly?
作者: arielle.w 時間: 10-8-6 14:12
Yes, the programme that I joined at Northwestern University was an online course at the Center for Talent Development. Unless your child is very self-motivated, I wouldn't recommend s/he to join EPGY or GLL (Gifted Learning Link) at Northwestern, esp GLL. I received the least assistance on learning from the Northwestern course. I basically just bought the textbook from them and self learnt everything. Teachers are responsible yet they can't really help much. Interaction between classmates wasn't much (it's almost zero for EPGY). Your child will be given a timetable to schedule his/her studies and the to submit quizzes and tests on time. I didn't really get any tutorial from GLL until I e-mailed my tutor and asked him about stuff I didn't understand on the textbook. After your child submits the quizzes and test, s/he will have another chance to re-do the incorrect ones in order to improve the grade. But at any times, your child can ask the tutor anything about the tests/quizzes if s/he encounters problem, hence the final grade is pretty meaningless as it is almost like open book tests.
原帖由 thankful 於 10-8-6 11:51 發表
arielle.w, thanks for the sharing of your experience. You mentioned the program at Northwestern U. Was it the university's Center for Talent Development? Did you do the online courses? How was i ...
作者: arielle.w 時間: 10-8-6 14:33
I have only joined one course at each center so I can't tell much about comparison betweens courses within the center.(didn't join English writing so I don't know how they conduct classes) I joined Pre-Calculus honors at Northwestern, AP Calculus BC at CTY andAP Physics C at EPGY. They are math/science oriented classes. I don't know if it suits the 'correlation' you are talking about. I am sorry for the rough comment I made above, but the learning mode at each center is actually different.
For EPGY, it is more like a self-learning course than online course instructed by teachers. I don't really think it suits young children unless your kid is a genius who already knows lots of complicated concepts and stuff. A timeline would be given as reference at the start of the course. Finishing the course on time or not completely depends on your child(actually, understanding the materials or not as well) After each chapter, student will be given a test on the program and a report from the tutor will be sent to your email regarding the performance. Yet there wasn't much interaction between my tutor and me at that time, though I had lots of interaction with my computer.
For CTY, it really is the best program I've ever had. The class schedule is really flexible. They basically just put all the tutorial videos on their learning portal. Students can take the class at anytime. (EPGY and GLL students have fixed time for classes online) The teachers take an interesting approach which captivates students a lot. I am not a young kid but I enjoyed it so much as I'd never thought Calculus could be that easy. They explain everything in an easily understandable way. There are notes for every chapter online. Students are required to complete tasts after certain chapters. And there is interaction between students as there is a forum in the learning portal. Sometimes, the coursework is to discuss certain topics with other students there. Hence, CTY is not only an interesting education program, it also allows students to make friends all around the world.
For GLL at Northwestern, teachers' support is just a bit less than CTY but definitely better than EPGY. Although I almost self-learnt the entire textbook, I got lots of support from my teacher. I know every teacher differs but I guess it wouldn't be too different because it's the way at GLL! When I had stuff I didn't understand, I just had to send an email to my tutor and schedule a time for tutorial online. He assisted me until I fully understood it. This support from teachers is far better than that of EPGY. (And I didn't really need much support from teacher at CTY as the material was easy to understand at the first place)
原帖由 Y2KChild 於 10-8-6 12:00 發表
Thanks for your reply and sharing.
However, I think you have to compare apple to apple. Have you attended a similar course on CTY, EPGY and/or at Northwestern U. programs?
What you have described a ...
作者: thankful 時間: 10-8-6 14:35
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作者: arielle.w 時間: 10-8-6 17:23
I don't know much about their summer programs. I got friends who participated in both EPGY and CTY summer program. I didn't really ask them for comments on the programs but I could tell from their pictures that they love the programs very much. I got a friend who participates CTY every summer and I think she's gonna continue every summer until she goes to college.
And yes, I am still in high school. I haven't applied to university yet but I was told that such programs on resume would boost the application quite a lot.
原帖由 thankful 於 10-8-6 14:35 發表
Initially, I was just thinking about the Summer programs. After I read your comments, I will now also look into CTY online courses as well. Do you know anything about the Summer courses?
I noticed ...
作者: Y2KChild 時間: 10-8-6 17:52
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作者: Chole 時間: 10-8-6 23:00
Thank you for your sharing. It's just difficult to find someone with the experience. I guess you are from an international school, aren't you?
原帖由 arielle.w 於 10-8-6 14:33 發表
I have only joined one course at each center so I can't tell much about comparison betweens courses within the center.(didn't join English writing so I don't know how they conduct classes) I joined Pr ...
作者: Chole 時間: 10-8-6 23:02
I think you have made up your mind to go Infokids anyway, right?
原帖由 Y2KChild 於 10-8-6 17:52 發表
Thanks for your reply and sharing.
From your description, it still can't have a solid comparison as your are still talking about 3 different courses. Maybe after you have learnt pre-calculus at GLL, ...
作者: Annie123 時間: 10-8-7 03:14
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作者: arielle.w 時間: 10-8-7 05:44
Yes I am. And I'm a junior.
原帖由 Chole 於 10-8-6 23:00 發表
Thank you for your sharing. It's just difficult to find someone with the experience. I guess you are from an international school, aren't you?
作者: arielle.w 時間: 10-8-7 05:45
I participated in the online program of CTY.
原帖由 Annie123 於 10-8-7 03:14 發表
For the CTY program, can you clarify whether you took the "online" program or the "on campus" program. THanks.
作者: seec 時間: 10-8-7 12:04
原帖由 arielle.w 於 10-8-6 14:33 發表
I have only joined one course at each center so I can't tell much about comparison betweens courses within the center.(didn't join English writing so I don't know how they conduct classes) I joined Pr ...
Hi! arielle.w,
Thank you very much for your input! Now I have a more clear picture of those programs. Actually my kid joined EGPY Maths online b4. After G5 Math,he was tired by the repetition of the exercises and quit. Do you think the same case will happen in CTY? When did you take the EGPY course? It's no longer using CD for teaching materials. My kid attended the online lectures and doing exercises afterwards every time he login. If you don't mind,could you describe a bit more on CTY program?
Thanks!
作者: arielle.w 時間: 10-8-8 16:08
I participated in EPGY last year and I actually don't know that their teaching mode has changed!
Speaking of the quizzes and tests after lectures, of course they are essential to strengthen one's learning. The number of questions in the quizzes after CTY's lectures varies as I remember. And their questions are placed in order of difficulty. There, of course, are challenging questions but at CTY, students usually can tackle them given that they pay attention in the lecture.
I guess perhaps I get why your child are tired of all the quizzes and tests. I hated those after-lectures quizzes at EPGY also. It was because I had already lost a bit interest and got kinda bored after lectures at EPGY. Doing those questions afterwards became a 'torture' to me. Yet at CTY, I guess I was 'psyched' after ever lecture and I just couldn't wait to complete those quizzes and prove myself that I do have the ability to understand those difficult concepts which are made easy by CTY tutors. As the course I joined at CTY was self-paced, I could take as much lecture as I want at a time. Sometimes I watched the lecture videos non-stop that I completed the whole chapter in an afternoon. And the notes they provide online are really useful for review. Students have to take tests and exams at some point in the CTY program. If your child got any problem, s/he could contact the tutor at anytime. CTY gave me a feeling of school. And it's not just the usual kinda school, it's a good, caring school. I have my tutor on skype in case I need to ask him math questions. He would help me with any math problem and teach me until I completely understand. And it's not restricted only to CTY's math problems, but also math problems from school, GLL, extra exercise I had, etc. And even once, I confronted him about what course to take in high school and which path would be the best for my future, he consulted me as an academic consultant. This is something I never experienced from GLL or EPGY before.
So no matter how others think the three programs are the same, or EPGY stands out because its a Stanford program, CTY is and will always be the special one to me.
原帖由 seec 於 10-8-7 12:04 發表
Hi! arielle.w,
Thank you very much for your input! Now I have a more clear picture of those programs. Actually my kid joined EGPY Maths online b4. After G5 Math,he was tired by the repetition of the ...
作者: Chole 時間: 10-8-8 17:48
According to Times's Top 200 universities, Johns Hopkins ranked slightly higher than Stanford in 2008/2009 (2010 not yet released).
http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/hybrid.asp?typeCode=438
作者: Y2KChild 時間: 10-8-9 11:09
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作者: Chess 時間: 10-8-9 13:08
Hi arielle.w
My son is doing EPGY in HK.
How can he register for CTY? Any requirement including age as my son is just 7?
Thanks.
原帖由 arielle.w 於 10-8-8 16:08 發表
I participated in EPGY last year and I actually don't know that their teaching mode has changed!
Speaking of the quizzes and tests after lectures, of course they are essential to strengthen one's le ...
作者: Chole 時間: 10-8-9 13:45
CTY is available for those Grade 2 (Pr2) and above:
http://cty.jhu.edu/ts/its.html
作者: arielle.w 時間: 10-8-9 18:07 標題: 回復 29# Chess 的帖子
You can register for CTY courses online. I don't know the requirement details for young kids like your son. Older students have to take SAT test and enroll into the course based on their critical reading/math scores. Young students like your son probably have to take another test in order to gain admission to the program.
There is an online application system in the CTY website. The steps are easy to follow. After you submit the application, staff will contact you at once for your pending documents. After they review the test scores and all the other documents that you submit, they will send you the user ID and password upon acceptance of your son. The tutor of your son will also contact you and give you a brief introduction of the course.
作者: Chess 時間: 10-8-10 11:58
Many thanks.
Could you tell how much do the courses cost?
原帖由 arielle.w 於 10-8-9 18:07 發表
You can register for CTY courses online. I don't know the requirement details for young kids like your son. Older students have to take SAT test and enroll into the course based on their critical read ...
作者: thankful 時間: 10-8-10 12:07
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作者: Chess 時間: 10-8-10 13:17
Thanks all.
I want to know how the students can contact their turors for the CTY course. Through e-mail or what? For EPGY, they have tutors delivering lectures in HK. For young kids, they may not be able to communicate effectively in writing.
Moreover, can anyone enlighten me if the CTR courses are accredited by overseas universities like the EPGY?
作者: arielle.w 時間: 10-8-10 20:19
Students can contact the tutors by e-mail, phone or skype. (in my case) My tutor has tutored me privately by skype and at the virtual classroom of CTY. Basically we both log onto the virtual classroom. There is a board for the tutor to write anything for the class. We communicate by skype, which means texts and voice/cam calls. It's not much different from real classroom experience.
And yes, CTY programs are also accredited.
原帖由 Chess 於 10-8-10 13:17 發表
Thanks all.
I want to know how the students can contact their turors for the CTY course. Through e-mail or what? For EPGY, they have tutors delivering lectures in HK. For young kids, they may not be ...
作者: Cherishvalue 時間: 10-8-11 11:41
Want to share our experience with CTY - campus one!
My son went to the CTY course held in HKUST this summer. Yes - it is expensive and the logistics of travelling to HKUST is awful. But the course content was pretty interesting and it provided him a chance to share ideas / work with some really intelligent kids. The instructors/assistants were friendly and really experienced.
Quite a joyful experience!
原帖由 Chole 於 10-8-6 23:02 發表
I think you have made up your mind to go Infokids anyway, right?
作者: Chess 時間: 10-8-11 12:12
Hi Cherishvalue
Is the course CTY open to all levels? Any website for more info?
Thanks.
原帖由 Cherishvalue 於 10-8-11 11:41 發表
Want to share our experience with CTY - campus one!
My son went to the CTY course held in HKUST this summer. Yes - it is expensive and the logistics of travelling to HKUST is awful. But the course ...
作者: Cherishvalue 時間: 10-8-11 12:49
Summer course only for G5 and above (G9?)
Go to CTY site for details!
原帖由 Chess 於 10-8-11 12:12 發表
Hi Cherishvalue
Is the course CTY open to all levels? Any website for more info?
Thanks.
作者: thankful 時間: 10-8-11 12:51
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作者: Cherishvalue 時間: 10-8-11 13:45
Eleven / SCAT !!!!!原帖由 thankful 於 10-8-11 12:51 發表
Cherishvalue,
How old is your kid? Did he take SCAT or SAT?
作者: thankful 時間: 10-8-11 14:02
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作者: Cherishvalue 時間: 10-8-11 14:33
We absolutely did nothing to prepare SCAT! Per my boy, language part was fair but maths was relatively easy.
原帖由 thankful 於 10-8-11 14:02 發表
Thanks! I registered my other kid to do SCAT. But I can't find any SCAT textbooks, past papers or preparation courses. Did your kid do any preparation for the test? What was it like?
作者: thankful 時間: 10-8-11 14:35
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作者: seec 時間: 10-8-11 15:02
原帖由 thankful 於 10-8-11 14:02 發表
Thanks! I registered my other kid to do SCAT. But I can't find any SCAT textbooks, past papers or preparation courses. Did your kid do any preparation for the test? What was it like?
thankful,
which centre will your kid do SCAT?
作者: Chess 時間: 10-8-11 15:21
Yes, I also want to know if the kids do the test in a centre in HK or through computer.
Any difference between taking a test and the talent search?
I have taken a look at the test samples put on the website. Are the lecture materials like that and what do they actually teach? Any sample course materials can I find on the website?
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作者: seec 時間: 10-8-16 13:30
原帖由 thankful 於 10-8-2 01:12 發表
I came across these 2 Summer courses in US.
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Are the application for summer courses 2011 open so early?
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作者: foolish.mom 時間: 10-8-22 17:54
My kid is 13 years old, and he joined the CTY Math program (secondary level) at HKUST this summer. He enjoyed it very much and planned to join next year too. The instructors and teaching assistants are good, the program contents are intensive but appropriate, and he made some friends with "like" minds as his.
作者: Ruby1219 時間: 10-9-15 14:38 標題: 回覆 42# Cherishvalue 的文章
Can anyone tell me How much will it cost totally for the talent search + SCAT. It seems almost HK$2000 as per their website!? Not sure if I got it wrong? It is quite expensive if so, what if my kid does not pass the test? My son is now 10years old and he's taking Grade 8 EPGY course. I'M interested to 'transfer' him to CTY as many of you said it is good. But I'm afraid it's a waste of time and money if my son does not pass their admission test.
Thanks
Ruby
作者: thankful 時間: 10-9-15 16:57
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作者: Ruby1219 時間: 10-9-15 18:20 標題: 回覆 1# thankful 的文章
Hi thankful,
Thank you for your information.
I'm interested in both online and summer programs for my son. But guess he might not be able to join the summer program as he has to go for football camp every summer.
For the demo test, I just had my son trying it. He got 7/10 for the English part and 8/10 for the Math part (in fact, he was just careless and should be getting 10/10 if he paid enough attention). As per the website, it says the real test will be more challenging. Do you think my son can still pass the test ?
Thanks
Ruby
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作者: Ruby1219 時間: 10-9-16 06:52 標題: 回覆 1# thankful 的文章
Yes thankful you are right. But since my son is quite happy with EPGY nowe and i need my husband to evaluate the CTY program first. They are quite reluctant to change.
How about the English test? Why they have to test Ensligh for math/science courses? I understand that the children need to be proficient in English to take the CTY courses, but the English test is pretty challenging. Do you know if they count the English to result serious for acceptance ?
作者: Cherishvalue 時間: 10-9-16 09:56
My son sent for the SCAT early this year. His score is good enough for CTY Maths course but not for languages.
I guess if you are happy with EPGY, it is not a must to move to CTY. From what I understand, both courses are great!
原帖由 Ruby1219 於 10-9-16 06:52 發表
Yes thankful you are right. But since my son is quite happy with EPGY nowe and i need my husband to evaluate the CTY program first. They are quite reluctant to change.
How about the English test? Why ...
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作者: Chole 時間: 10-9-18 11:04
Just got the email from Johns Hopkins. They will arrange a special test in HK (apparently cheaper). Pls see the following link for details:
http://cty.jhu.edu/summer/hongkong
作者: thankful 時間: 10-9-18 15:38
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作者: Chole 時間: 10-9-19 00:13
My friend did send an email to enquire about this. They say there's no need to prepare etc etc. So no past paper, only a sample paper as shown in their website.
My kid found it very difficult - the logic is they will test the kids 1 to 2 grades higher in order to distinguish who are the top say 5%. Otherwise a lot of kids will score close to full marks.
Therefore even though she made a lot of mistakes, she eventually obtained the scores required.
I am struggling whether to let her attend the course in HK or US campus. Course fees are the same except of course you have to pay for the flight if going to the States. That should be a great opportunity for a kid to broaden his/her exposure. Um........
原帖由 thankful 於 10-9-18 15:38 發表
I heard that once you register for the SCAT test, you could download the past papers. Is that true?
作者: Ruby1219 時間: 10-9-21 22:02 標題: 回復 1# Chole 的帖子
I emailed them last Friday but no reply so far.
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