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作者: uncleedward 時間: 10-7-22 12:22 標題: 你可以笑我是何不食肉糜,但…
大女兒原來中五同班同學到我家聚會,七嘴八舌談起AL放榜的事。除却像女兒一樣已在大學讀書的十個八個外,轉到怛商莊啟程的都考得不錯,但留在原校的卻不少差強人意。這些都是意料之內,有點令人驚訝的是,相對留校升預科的,很多同學因成績未夠好而跑到外國讀書的,似乎都能找到很錯的大學。她們說UCL就已有三四個。
With a mediocre academic standing, Hong Kong students are still able to get into better universities overseas. It looks like that education planning for our children has more or less become a matter of financial planning.
你可以笑我是何不食肉糜,但這確實是一條較好走的路。
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作者: Tommy 時間: 10-7-22 17:26
原帖由 uncleedward 於 10-7-22 12:22 發表 
大女兒原來中五同班同學到我家聚會,七嘴八舌談起AL放榜的事的情形。除却像女兒一樣已在大學讀書的十個八個外,轉到怛商莊啟程的都考得不錯,但留在原校的卻不少差強人意。這些都是意料之內,有點令人驚訝的是,相對留校升 ...
uncleedward,
小兒升F.2,但都開始要為他計劃升學,如果他要往海外升學,更加要比心機賺多點錢。
有問題想請教您。我的孩子都只是平平凡凡的,我想知道一個平凡的孩子怎樣在一、兩年間變得不平凡,而獲得受歡迎的大學取錄?是他們資質高後發力強?只需用功一、兩年就能超越平凡,出類拔萃?是環境因素使他們除了用功就沒其他事幹?抑或他們依舊平凡,只是制度或其他因素令他們有優勢進入不平凡的大學?
Tommy
作者: uncleedward 時間: 10-7-22 20:00
原帖由 wunma 於 10-7-22 15:24 發表 
你女兒是拔尖入大學的, 對嗎?
我的大曳人舊校情況和你女兒一樣, 留在原校的都考得不好. 到海外留學的, 雖說能入到很好的大學, 但並不開心, 始終是要離鄉別井, 很孤獨的過生活. 值得與否, 見仁見智.
大曳人說希 ...
托賴。
Not considering the financial implications, 我主張到外國唸大學。離開父母,獨立生活,是大多數國家唸大學的自然選擇。大多是初初不慣,慢慢就要媽媽催促才肯回來。而且如今有Skype、MSN,日夕相對都仲得。
以我的經驗,Other things being equal,僱主是較喜歡聘請留學生,特別是國際性公司。我太太說找女婿也要個在外國請書的,起碼較獨立,唔駛照顧番佢。
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作者: uncleedward 時間: 10-7-22 20:55
原帖由 Tommy 於 10-7-22 17:26 發表 
uncleedward,
小兒升F.2,但都開始要為他計劃升學,如果他要往海外升學,更加要比心機賺多點錢。
有問題想請教您。我的孩子都只是平平凡凡的,我想知道一個平凡的孩子怎樣在一、兩年間變得不平凡,而獲得受歡迎的大學取錄? ...
I know very little about your kid other than the fact that he is a Pegasus graduate. I may not be able to offer too much help.
First, it is difficult to say whether our kids are mediocre or not. I used to think my younger daughter was mediocre.
Second, we do not necessarily need to think of our children becoming a Nobel Prize winner or a Cal Tech PhD. An academically mediocre person can make a good professional, a lawyer, an accountant, a bank manager ... you name it. Other than medicine, I really can't think of a profession which we are familiar but which denies common souls like us. Normally, leadership, people skills, perseverance, being responsible are more important qualities that contribute more to our success in our professional life.
Third, it is nothing wrong going to mediocre universities, if they match our abilities. In the film "The Blind Side", Sandra Bullock was quite happy to send her son to University of Mississippi which was also her alma mater in the film. The university is only a tier 3 university in the US. It means you do not even need SAT scores to get into the university. In Hong Kong, we are too concerned with the university rankings.
Fourth, the overseas exams tend to be easier (particularly the maths related) because only the top 2 to 3 % will get an A in HK exams but it is top 30% for overseas exams (5 for AP in the US or A for GCE). That is why we see so many HK students doing much better in those exams and subsequently going to seemingly better universities. There was an extreme case. A friend's daughter failed to go up to F7 in her school and had to repeat F6. She then took GCE A levels and then got into a local university under the early admission scheme. A word of caution, being able to get into those universities does not necessarily mean being able to do well in them. A friend of mine was ecstatic when her daughter was admitted into an Ivy League university two years ago but had to fly there a couple of months ago to bring her back.
As a parent, I guess we can only try to be there when our children needs us after they become a teenager. It is a good thing to set a slightly stretching goal for our kids. But anything beyond that, I don't know. I am a relaxed parent. Eviepa may be able to help more.
[ 本帖最後由 uncleedward 於 10-7-23 00:25 編輯 ]
作者: eviepa 時間: 10-7-22 22:30
21 Jun 2010 南華早報有一篇名為“An ‘education detour’ secures University place – Pupils sent overseas to avoid HK A-levels” 的文章,很有趣。
Winnie Choi 的女兒 “With a less-than-brilliant score of 21 in the Form Five public exam in 2007, Tsoi figured that the odds of her daughter passing the HK A-levels with flying colours and gaining entry to the HKU degree course would be very low.
So she enrolled her daughter in the private Woldingham School in Surrey, England, for matriculation. Her daughter sat the British A-levels last year, scored four As and came back to HK to apply for the university programme as an overseas Hongkongers.” 這兩年用了九十萬。
另一個例子:
Lam Tin-yan在英國考A-levels時, “I never burnt the midnight oil when I prepared for British A-levels. For easier subjects like psychology, I did intensive revisions just 2 or 3 days before the exam and scored an A effortlessly.”
英國的高考遠比香港的容易,最重要原因是, “26.7% of British A-level exams taken last year returned A grades. The proportion of A grades for 16 major local A-level subjects was 3.6%”
有錢人的機會遠比窮人大,真有「何不食肉糜」之嘆。
eviepa
作者: ahdee 時間: 10-7-22 22:39
From my own experience, sending kids to overseas rather than staying in local higher education institutions would help them to build their global social networks, and thus develop their 國際視野, which is missing in most of the local university students.
In the last 10+ years, most of the local graduate students I met focused on developing their careers and business networks mostly in Hong Kong (and China), rather than expanding it to overseas.
國際視野 and global social/business networks are very valuable assets to our kids.
原帖由 uncleedward 於 10-7-22 20:00 發表 
托賴。
Not considering the financial implications, 我主張到外國唸大學。離開父母,獨立生活,是大多數國家唸大學的自然選擇。大多是初初不慣,慢慢就要媽媽催促才肯回來。而且如今有Skype、MSN,日夕相對都仲得。
以 ...
作者: uncleedward 時間: 10-7-23 00:05
原帖由 eviepa 於 10-7-22 22:30 發表 
21 Jun 2010 南華早報有一篇名為“An ‘education detour’ secures University place – Pupils sent overseas to avoid HK A-levels” 的文章,很有趣。
Winnie Choi 的女兒 “With a less-than-brilliant score of ...
That's why I said education planning has more or less become a matter of financial planning.
Actually going overseas for secondary education is more expensive than for university education. And going to American private high schools is even more expensive than the case you quoted.
However, there are some less expensive ways to do it. The girl who failed to make F7 did her GCE exams in Hong Kong while she was repeating F6.
You can take GCE exams in Hong Kong and apply to local universities under the non-JUPAS route.
Going to UK universities costs around $900k to1 million for 3 years if you exclude London. The difference between this and the cost of going to local universities is around $500 to 600K for the 3 years and is still within many people's reach with a careful financial planning from the beginning. The difference will become smaller when local universities change to four years under 334.
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作者: Tommy 時間: 10-7-23 00:39 標題: 回覆 5# uncleedward 的文章
uncleedward,
您花了更大的篇幅回答我沒有提出的問題,似乎您看穿了我的心事,知道我問題背後更多的問題。勁!全對。
無錯,平凡人都可以幹出不平凡的事,好像地震災區的義工「阿福」、官校女教師吳美蘭,甚至女導遊「阿珍」………身邊很多平凡人都有不錯的成就。您所說的心理質素、內在能力等我絕對認同是成功的關鍵因素,早年我較著重孩子這方面的發展,So far佢地都 OK,我唔太擔心佢地揾唔到食。這些能力對工作絕對有用,但對投考大學好像沒有太大的幫助。
沒有一張亮麗的入場券,揾食初期會好辛苦。我係擔心佢連入U都入唔到, eviepa話香港的入U比例只得18%,我肯定小兒現時的全港排名是18%以外,因此才看看有甚麼「捷徑」。
eviepa的蓋世武功唔係咁容易學,早年學佢陪孩子讀書,斷斷續續做了一輪,算係有少少成效,但他們總未能養成讀書的習慣。最近又學佢陪孩子講「通識」,剛才跟他們講阿富汗的問題,我講了一大堆東西,最後我自問阿富汗這個困局要幾時先可以解決?隨即我將問題反射給大仔,佢話:「Errrr…直至美國捉到拉登同埋d石油開始被開發。」答案雖然好簡單,但佢真係講中point,他的答案令我不敢看輕他的思考能力。
感謝您的分享和啟發。
Tommy
作者: uncleedward 時間: 10-7-23 01:34
原帖由 Tommy 於 10-7-23 00:39 發表 
uncleedward,
您花了更大的篇幅回答我沒有提出的問題,似乎您看穿了我的心事,知道我問題背後更多的問題。勁!全對。
無錯,平凡人都可以幹出不平凡的事,好像地震災區的義工「阿福」、官校女教師吳美蘭,甚至女導遊「阿珍」 ...
Don't worry, Tommy. As I said elsewhere, I have not seen a single high school graduate in recent years who wants to study for a degree but fails to do so. Eviepa's 18% is correct since it was the same percentage my elder daughter told me and she has a photographic memory. However, this number does not inlude students going overseas or students doing top up degrees or assos.
The important thing is to provide a condusive environment to our children. Try to keep up their academic curiosity.Surround them with books, interesting things, interesting but decent peers (if their mates mostly go to universities, do you still to worry about your children not going to university?)
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作者: wunma 時間: 10-7-23 11:38
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作者: uncleedward 時間: 10-7-23 12:55
原帖由 wunma 於 10-7-23 11:38 發表 
怒我孤陋, 會有人讀完中六後原校不准她升中七而讀不到中七的嗎? 成績這樣差卻又能考到GCE再循EAS入大學, 真有點匪夷所思.
的確匪夷所思,若非認識該女孩,我也不相信。據說還是學校老師教路的。少許更正,是依從non-JUPAS route,不是EAS,雖然二者十分相似。
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作者: uncleedward 時間: 10-7-23 12:59
原帖由 eviepa 於 10-7-22 22:30 發表 
有錢人的機會遠比窮人大,真有「何不食肉糜」之嘆。of .
Tommy:
"小兒升F.2,但都開始要為他計劃升學,如果他要往海外升學,更加要比心機賺多點錢。"
I think Tommy's attitude is more practical.
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作者: uncleedward 時間: 10-7-23 13:13
原帖由 wunma 於 10-7-23 11:49 發表 
eviepa,
現時大學的學位課程, 不少都有機會到海外交流半年, 沒錢如我等的子女, 還是有見識機會的.
Wunma
Agreed. Opportunities abound for students doing well in local universities. Some can even go to an Ivy university for a year on local HK fee, with grants and loans, special purpose loans and subsidies as well.
Most students with good A level grades have scholarships upon getting into local universities. Even for summer courses elsewhere like at Berkeley, some local universities subsidises half of the fee.
Hong Kong is still very much a rich society at the government level which is still able and willing to help out good students within its financial means.
[ 本帖最後由 uncleedward 於 10-7-23 13:18 編輯 ]
作者: Tommy 時間: 10-7-23 14:53
原帖由 uncleedward 於 10-7-23 12:59 發表 
Tommy:
"小兒升F.2,但都開始要為他計劃升學,如果他要往海外升學,更加要比心機賺多點錢。"
I think Tommy's attitude is more practical.
無錯!改變唔到個制度,就要改變自己去適應個制度,當自己強起來、富起來後又沒有變質的話,便可以反過來去改變制度。
作者: eviepa 時間: 10-7-23 22:55
沒有一張亮麗的入場券,揾食初期會好辛苦。我係擔心佢連入U都入唔到, eviepa話香港的入U比例只得18%,我肯定小兒現時的全港排名是18%以外,因此才看看有甚麼「捷徑」。
Tommy,
以過往經驗,我猜測孩子讀書的潛力相當準確,我太太也服了我。我現在作一中線預測,你兩位公子,如果考IB、文憑試時,如果其中一個進不了頭18%的話,我視作跌眼鏡。
讀書是長途賽跑,一時一刻的成績並不是一切。況且,香港小學至初中的評分制度根本問題多蘿蘿,只能作參考,不能視作bible。以我所知他們的情況,我樂觀。
早年學佢陪孩子讀書,斷斷續續做了一輪,算係有少少成效,但他們總未能養成讀書的習慣。最近又學佢陪孩子講「通識」,剛才跟他們講阿富汗的問題,我講了一大堆東西,最後我自問阿富汗這個困局要幾時先可以解決?隨即我將問題反射給大仔,佢話:「Errrr…直至美國捉到拉登同埋d石油開始被開發。」答案雖然好簡單,但佢真係講中point,他的答案令我不敢看輕他的思考能力。
伴讀一段時間,啟動了閱讀,已經勝過大部分學生。你有意識講通識,亦肯定有能力講得生動有趣、內容充實,又比普通學生優勝。
不過話時話,我就很享受講通識的過程,囡囡又很喜歡聽,是優質的親子活動。你會不會享受?
eviepa
作者: Tommy 時間: 10-7-24 00:24 標題: 回覆 17# eviepa 的文章
eviepa,
多謝您的鼓勵,希望您的預測準確。我們會努力不令您跌眼鏡,五年好快過,五年後如有好消息,定會上來向大家報喜。行完一條崎嶇的臻美路,您回歸主流,我繼續另類,孩子現在行的路我掌握得很少,幾乎完全靠他自己去行,您都咪話唔擔心。
和孩子伴讀,我開始得比較遲,如果我日日陪著他們讀書,他們會覺得我好煩、好無聊,所以沒有勉強,就由得他們自由發揮。
最近開始同佢地講通識,嘩!真係好正,佢地聽得好有興趣,兩個仔排排坐聽我講野,何止是優質的親子活動,簡直重拾了我做爸爸的尊嚴!「講通識」使我和他們的話題多了,溝通也多了,希望日後藉此引導他們的學習興趣,作多些閱讀和知識追尋。
Tommy
作者: uncleedward 時間: 10-7-25 10:07
今早有點時問可以用中文來寫個故事(因我中文輸入奇慢)。
去年大女兒從美國回來後,到姨母姨丈家拜訪。當我們在我的in-laws偌大的客廳(超過一千呎)談起女兒大學選科的事,觸及了錢重不重要這個老生常談的問題。大女兒對太太和姨母陳腔濫調的"錢並非萬能,但無錢則萬萬不能"和"冇錢但又想買Chanel袋,咁點"等論點自然不為所動。但想不到my brother in law就在這時說出令好辯如我也一時不知怎樣回答的論點:"假設你兒女很渴望去外國讀書,但你又沒有能力負擔,你會覺得點?"我大女兒也不知該如何回應(特別是她剛剛花了我一筆錢在美國遊學了十個月之後)。當時我只有暗暗敬佩,心想my in law 本身沒有兒女,竟可想出如此觀點,商人的智慧真不可小覷。
我出身小康,也從沒有為財政問題真的煩惱過,但我知道餞真的很重要。我唸大學時爸爸就不在了。若不是他留下點錢,我們兄妹數人又怎能都安然唸完大學?其中兩個還是留學的。我感謝我爸爸。正因他的辛勤,才有我們一家安穩的生活,才有我媽媽在每個兒女大學畢業禮上的笑臉。
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作者: mattsmum 時間: 10-7-25 21:43 標題: 回覆 2# uncleedward 的文章
如果是发疯地想,就一定有方法,
德法意等国家是不收学费的,也有朋友是在澳洲半工读而成专业人士。
作者: uncleedward 時間: 10-7-25 23:00
原帖由 stccmc 於 10-7-25 17:36 發表 
...
雖然我們常批評香港教育,但香港各方面其實很不錯,包括教育,一些香港大學排名是 世界 Top 50 的常客。
我認為,選科,不應看錢太重,甚至是唯一標準。 有錢,當然好些,多選擇。
Agreed completely. That is why we allowed our daughter to go to university in Hong Kong last year although I wanted her to remain in the US. We also allowed her to read a major other than what we suggested. Personally, I do not believe the major one chooses has anything to do with the amount of money one might make. We suggested law to her only becuase she is cut for studying law: a photographic memory, language skills, people skills and a presentable appearance. But I know only too well from my own experience that the parent is alreadying losing if he has to pursuade his children to do something.
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作者: uncleedward 時間: 10-7-25 23:13
原帖由 mattsmum 於 10-7-25 21:43 發表 
如果是发疯地想,就一定有方法,
德法意等国家是不收学费的,也有朋友是在澳洲半工读而成专业人士。
Agreed.
Where there is a will, there is a way.
作者: uncleedward 時間: 10-7-26 00:21
原帖由 stccmc 於 10-7-25 17:36 發表 
Uncle,
在我來說,外國升學,和買Channel 袋,一樣是慾望無窮,資源有限。如果小朋友渴望一年外游四次見識呢? 有三名子女呢?升學外遊有錢,但她要求親子父母陪伴呢?唔使搵食麽?
If I could not afford the things you mentioned for my kids, I would not lose a single night's sleep. But I would try hard to avoid the possibility that I could not afford to send my children abroad for university.
Actually, there was more to my story. After my in-law's inspiring words, I immediately said to my daughter, "Take Granny for example. She suffered from cancer and was already in the public hospital system. The cost of hospital bills is basically nothing as you can imagine, but the cost of of the so called new medicine prescribed but off the official list has cost us something like $300K. What if we could not afford this and something bad happened to her. Sadly, sometimes money does not just mean something extra or better or more choices in our life. Sometimes money means something as basic as right to survival."
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作者: judy 時間: 10-7-26 11:21
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兒子曾於中五放榜前問我, 如想入讀李寶椿, 我會否贊成.
當時我對這校一無所知, 立刻上網找資料, 發覺這的確是間好學校, 但學費第一年便要十多萬, 第二年已經要去到二十多萬, 雖說可申請助學金, 但不清楚合資格與 ...
好彩個仔問你,如果係問老豆,老豆可能会大力支持,然後更搏曬老命工作。
提到此"何不食肉糜"問題,富人(有準備的人)一定多出路,唔使講。
但,近年,我也見多了中四、五轉讀另類課程,然後入本地大学個案。例如,有中四成績平平,轉讀另類課程,去年考英國試,然後入本地醫学院。侄仔去年讀醫,他帶出來的情報是大學會盡收中五尖仔,但對AL學生就多多留難,反而偏向另類學生。他認為這是因為大學為提高國际排名之故云云。我認為除了這原因外,如果有錢無勢,就別行此另類之路,正正經經送仔女外國留學好了。
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作者: cherubic 時間: 10-7-26 12:36
In my old days, due to financial constraint, I did not have so many choices. Therefore, the only way was to work hard in order to get a place in the university.
For my son, he does not understand the problem we faced in my time. Every time I ask him to work hard, he does not think it is absolutely necessary because he knows that his parents should have arranged everything for him. I don't know whether it is good or bad to him in the long term. But I see one problem now - he is more relaxed and not willing to work hard.
作者: judy 時間: 10-7-26 12:50
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In my old days, due to financial constraint, I did not have so many choices. Therefore, the only way was to work hard in order to get a place in the university.
For my son, he does not understand th ...
今日am730施永青篇文好正。
作者: uncleedward 時間: 10-7-26 14:04
原帖由 judy 於 10-7-26 11:21 發表 
侄仔去年讀醫,他帶出來的情報是大學會盡收中五尖仔,但對AL學生就多多留難,反而偏向另類學生。他認為這是因為大學為提高國际排名之故云云。
確實如此,據在大學工作的同學說,每類學生皆有預定QUOTA。現時以Non-JUPAS途徑入讀最易,連熱門科目也是如此。如HKU Law就預1/3俾Non JUPAS, HKAL 學生有乜法唔打崩頭。
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作者: samuel89 時間: 10-7-26 14:16
原帖由 cherubic 於 10-7-26 12:36 發表 
For my son, he does not understand the problem we faced in my time. Every time I ask him to work hard, he does not think it is absolutely necessary because he knows that his parents should have arranged everything for him. I don't know whether it is good or bad to him in the long term. But I see one problem now - he is more relaxed and not willing to work hard.
嘩.....你阿仔講出左90後既思路心態....
值得香港家長認真深思一下, 重新思考一下家長是否太有為了....
作者: judy 時間: 10-7-26 14:23
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確實如此,據在大學工作的同學說,每類學生皆有預定QUTOTA。現時以Non-JUPAS途徑入讀最易,連熱門科目也是如此。如HKU Law就預1/3俾Non JUPAS, HKAL 學生有乜法唔打崩頭。 ...
此QUTOTA之奇妙在於每個系都不同,總之,總收生不過此QUTOTA就是。
於是乎,越熱門之科目,收另類學生越多。
只於是否"易"入,我越來越覺因人而定。
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作者: uncleedward 時間: 10-7-26 14:29
原帖由 judy 於 10-7-26 12:50 發表 
今日am730施永青篇文好正。
特登找來一看,確是難題。我也曾和女兒討論,可不可以生活過得簡樸一點?但她說周圍的同學朋友都係咁,佢可以點?總不成樣樣與人不同。
記得有一年,我們幾個家長費盡九牛二虎之力才制止了幾個女兒發起的一班同學到半島Chesa 吃聖誕大餐。
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作者: judy 時間: 10-7-26 14:37
特登找來一看,確是難題。我也曾和女兒討論,可不可以生話過得簡樸一點?但她說周圍的同學朋友都係咁,佢可以點?總不成樣樣與人不同。
記得有一年,我們幾個家長費盡九牛二虎之力才制止了幾個女兒發起的一班同學到半島Chesa ...
借口!
不過,個個父母都一樣,都會提供超過所需的享受,特別係對啲女。
作者: cherubic 時間: 10-7-26 14:41
Just read it. Even 施永青 could not find the solution to this problem. What can we do? Talking about holidays, our family have 2-3 times every year (since I really need holidays). We never join those organized tours. We are still backpackers and stay in budget hotels. This seems better because my son learns how to read maps.
I afraid that our next generation will be less competitive, not because of their knowledge, language skill, etc, but because of the attitude. I am finding way to guide my son, any suggestion?
原帖由 judy 於 10-7-26 12:50 發表 
今日am730施永青篇文好正。
作者: samuel89 時間: 10-7-26 14:50
原帖由 uncleedward 於 10-7-26 14:29 發表 
特登找來一看,確是難題。我也曾和女兒討論,可不可以生活過得簡樸一點?但她說周圍的同學朋友都係咁,佢可以點?總不成樣樣與人不同。
記得有一年,我們幾個家長費盡九牛二虎之力才制止了幾個女兒發起的一班同學到半島Chesa ...
我覺得不是簡樸一點的問題....有錢的話"豪"d其實是沒有問題的, 問題是90後根本連"錢"的概念都好似"口都"八達通甘, 只系"口都"一聲,就有雪糕食, 就整個香港去邊都得了, 就算環遊全世界都只系簽一個名而已,又有何珍惜的理由.....
作者: uncleedward 時間: 10-7-26 15:05
原帖由 judy 於 10-7-26 14:37 發表 
不過,個個父母都一樣,都會提供超過所需的享受,特別係對啲女。
This happens to be what I strongly believe in. Selfishly, I believe after my daughters know what is best available to them both materially and spiritually(within my means), the chance of them falling in love with so called MK boys exists only academically. If they can appreciate 錢鍾書 & 董橋,我又駛乜驚佢哋暑假出入Newway; 識得分麥奀同何洪記雲吞麫嘅唔同,若要嫁個只負担得得乒乓波雲吞麫的丈夫,我也冇符。純粹一個呷醋外父的心態,Steve Martin跟我比簡直温和得不得了。
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作者: uncleedward 時間: 10-7-26 15:22
原帖由 wunma 於 10-7-26 11:42 發表 
打工仔, 點博命都搵唔到快錢架? 除非向銀行借.
我既睇法, 除非在港讀唔成書, 或肥左科中文, 就賣當借都會供佢地去外國讀, 否則, 在香港讀放心些. ...
That is why careful financial planning is required from the beginning. Hong Kong people have no problem with such planning when it comes to buying the place we live. Acutally, financing our children's overseas studies is still a lot easier than taking out a mortgage loan on a new apartment.
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作者: uncleedward 時間: 10-7-27 15:57
原帖由 awah112 於 10-7-26 22:51 發表 
Father of the Bride...
Not a highly rated film but one of my favorites, probably because I am a father of two daughters.
作者: uncleedward 時間: 10-7-27 18:30
原帖由 awah112 於 10-7-26 22:46 發表 
我個人認為,生活可不可以過得簡樸一點應該是由我去決定的,並不是由2個仔去決定,除非佢哋自己揾到錢,佢哋就可以決定點洗錢。
咁簡單就好了。有些人,像我女兒輔導的社工小组裹的組員有些連香港廸士尼也未去過(廸欣湖倒是去過的);但若你的孩子身邊大多是像施永青的兒子一樣,年紀輕輕已環遊世界,而你又afford得起,你真的可以叫他等到他自己出來揾錢後才出外旅遊嗎?施永青做不到,我也做不到。
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作者: eviepa 時間: 10-7-27 23:48
我父母經歷戰亂,常強忍著饑餓,恐懼餓死的感覺在他們內心深處烙下了一個印記:多吃是福。他們無法理解,為何愛子對著熱騰騰的白飯,與及有菜有肉的菜餚,居然吃得不多。
我少時候,要打乒乓球就會在地上劃些界線,或者用些床板架起來就打。如果有一張像起樣的球桌可以打一會,就會樂得不得了。女兒不但時常有標準球桌打球,也有合資格教練,更有一個陪練員(爸爸),但不見得她對此特別感到高興。
可以想像,到我女兒有兒有女時,亦會像她爸爸、祖父一樣,慨歎為何兒女不珍惜這樣那樣。
作者: ChiChiPaPa 時間: 10-7-28 08:41
我覺得應多由孩子的心、孩子的眼去看事情,而非單用父母的角度、父母的標準去比量他們的行為是否有問題。
作者: samuel89 時間: 10-7-28 11:08
原帖由 ChiChiPaPa 於 10-7-28 08:41 發表 
我覺得應多由孩子的心、孩子的眼去看事情,而非單用父母的角度、父母的標準去比量他們的行為是否有問題。
很難.....很難.....
因為由小學開始,佢地已經開始學懂用父母的角度、父母的標準去比量他們的行為是否有問題; 比量他們的同學仔。
作者: uncleedward 時間: 10-7-29 12:22
原帖由 Tommy 於 10-7-22 17:26 發表 
uncleedward,
小兒升F.2,但都開始要為他計劃升學,如果他要往海外升學,更加要比心機賺多點錢。
有問題想請教您。我的孩子都只是平平凡凡的,我想知道一個平凡的孩子怎樣在一、兩年間變得不平凡,而獲得受歡迎的大學取錄? ...
睇完今曰蘋果A1,有少少補充。
我不認為兩拔學生在合唱方面會有顯著的先天優勢,所恃的是拔萃學生對自已那股justified又好,unjustified又好的無比自信心,及除非唔做,做就要做到最好的信念而已。
妻子常笑言拔萃不分男女,都好似一個模倒出來。But, depspite their sometimes naive arrogance, believe me, the efforts they have put in far exceed students in many other schools. 其中自有平庸者,但其self expectation及凡事努力的態度,will carry them a long way in their future days.
但若單靠一日一個鐘,庖丁都冇可能成為刀神。
作者: ahdee 時間: 10-7-30 02:23
完全同意兩拔學生在合唱方面不大可能有任何先天優勢,但指揮(Conductor)應有很大關係。
個人覺得合唱團同足球隊很相似,無論個別隊員有幾叻都好,如果冇一個好領隊,就會同今屆世界盃阿根廷對德國嘅表現相似。
原帖由 uncleedward 於 10-7-29 12:22 發表 
睇完今曰蘋果A1,有少少補充。
我不認為兩拔學生在合唱方面會有顯著的先天優勢,所恃的是拔萃學生對自已那股justified又好,unjustified又好的無比自信心,及除非唔做,做就要做到最好的信念而已。
妻子常笑言拔萃不分男女, ...
作者: judy 時間: 10-7-30 12:58
我認為大多數是有先於先天優勢,少數有先天優勢。
先於先天優勢是指父母有米,能自小培養,自小學唱歌。少部分天生靚聲。
當然,最重要是學生之精神面貌。
作者: uncleedward 時間: 10-7-31 13:55
原帖由 ahdee 於 10-7-30 02:23 發表 
完全同意兩拔學生在合唱方面不大可能有任何先天優勢,但指揮(Conductor)應有很大關係。
個人覺得合唱團同足球隊很相似,無論個別隊員有幾叻都好,如果冇一個好領隊,就會同今屆世界盃阿根廷對德國嘅表現相似。
...
也許有這個因素。觀平SPCC自從與SGCC share同一指揮後,其orchestra在音樂節中每年都有進步,今手還不可置信地打敗多屆霸主DBS而奪冠。
作者: uncleedward 時間: 10-7-31 14:01
原帖由 judy 於 10-7-30 12:58 發表 
我認為大多數是有先於先天優勢,少數有先天優勢。
先於先天優勢是指父母有米,能自小培養,自小學唱歌。少部分天生靚聲。
咪咁頃啦,等我以為自己老花睇錯。都係先天條件,但比起樂器、補習,學唱歌的真的不多。我只識一個,還不是
DB/GS的。
作者: Sumyeema1 時間: 10-8-9 16:27
為人父母,如果沒有足夠銀兩, 下一代就要准備受到磨練。 窮家女的身世感人。 富家女條件優越, 但也要她努力讀書才可取得8A.
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會考兩故事最小字型 適中字型 較大字型 最大字型 2010年08月09日
末代會考落幕,明年二○一一還有一次依據舊課程嘅會考,但只准自修生補考,讓一啲學生可以有機會補考番一兩科,尤其是中、英文,今年失手嘅科目。到咗二○一二年,就係第一屆中學文憑試。考評局秘書長張永明認為文憑試已得到世界主要國家教育當局嘅承認,考生以文憑試成績申請世界名校如哈佛耶魯、牛津劍橋,絕無問題。家長學生毋須被所謂升學專家誤導。
每年會考,都有一啲特別故事,名人子女之成績,不算特別故事,報紙報導一啲名人子女考得好好,其實亦有不少名人子女考到一頭煙。以今年嘅會考故事嚟講,左丁山認為有兩個值得一談。
(一)兩位新移民學生,一富一窮,各有遭遇,一位尹靖詩小姐來自風采中學,考到 8A,父母兩年前投資六百五十萬元,移民來港,為的是香港教育。尹靖詩插班中四,迅即適應,而且每個月用一萬元補習英語,加上自己勤力,成為尖子,此乃富家女考試成功之路。另一位係窮家女陳淑君,來自上海基層,父母為咗香港教育,三年前以單程證形式,送女兒到港,寄居親戚家中,親戚要佢做家務,不時幫表弟妹補習,待親戚上床後先至有時間坐在床上溫習功課。會考前,媽媽來港打氣,發覺親戚呼喝,於是帶女離開,無宿可寄,幸得校長區月晶(將軍澳仁濟醫院王華湘中學校長)援手,找到一位同學家長收留,不收租金,淑君爭氣做人,考到 3A3B,可見清貧子弟,只要努力向上,勤奮好學,一樣有好成績。陳淑君故事,似足粵語片版本。
(二)觀塘福建中學女生陳嘉盈考到 7A2B,夢想修讀天文學,但母親堅決反對,認為讀商科可以到銀行工作,薪高糧準,讀天文學可能望天打卦。哎吔,香港大學理學院院長郭新教授係世界天文學權威,出身培正中學,係明尼蘇達大學物理學博士。香港難得有尖子願意讀天文學,如果我負責港大理學院收生,一定會第一時間打電話搵陳同學,邀請佢入港大。讀完物理天文,理想工作就係入天文台,一樣薪高糧準啫。
(左丁山)
作者: judy 時間: 10-8-12 17:10
觀塘福建中學女生陳嘉盈考到 7A2B,夢想修讀天文學,但母親堅決反對,認為讀商科可以到銀行工作,薪高糧準,讀天文學可能望天打卦。
天真。
作者: eviepa 時間: 10-8-12 23:07
Judy,
我中學時極愛天文學,如果有機會讓我讀天文學,我肯定去馬。我都是這麼天真。
作者: judy 時間: 10-8-13 09:15
原帖由 eviepa 於 10-8-12 23:07 發表 
Judy,
我中學時極愛天文學,如果有機會讓我讀天文學,我肯定去馬。我都是這麼天真。
eviepa,
寫得太簡引起誤会唔好意思。我是指那媽媽天真。依家香港流行自巳友資本主義,讀完商科能否找到理想工作仍是未知之數,何來薪高糧準呢?
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