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作者: ukodelechan 時間: 10-5-19 11:38 標題: Which Int. School is better?
Hi everyone,
I have been finding international schools with IB diploma for my girl who is going to be Grade 7 in Aug. A lot of people told me that South Island School is the very best choice among all international schools as SIS is well-rounded and quite brilliant in terms of academic studies. I am considering SIS too, but they told me that it's really competitive and keen to get in SIS.
Well, therefore, I would like to apply for a few more schools for my girl so that it will be kind of 'safe'. ]
May you please give me some sort of comments and suggestions regarding the schools below? Also, may you please possibly rank them after considering all the fields?
1. South Island School
2. German Swiss International School
3. CHinese International School
4. Li Po Chun United World College
5. West Island School
6. Hong Kong Internatinal School
7. International Christian School
8. Renaissance College
9. Australian International School
I think the above are the best selected choices, so please give me some comments and rank them. Thanks a million!
作者: season_sincere 時間: 10-5-19 12:18
原帖由 ukodelechan 於 10-5-19 11:38 發表 
Hi everyone,
I have been finding international schools with IB diploma for my girl who is going to be Grade 7 in Aug. A lot of people told me that South Island School is the very best choice among al ...
I 'll be starting with the ranking.
Personally, I think
1. South Island School =German Swiss International School = CHinese International School = Li Po Chun United World College= Hong Kong Internatinal School
2. International Christian School
3. Australian International School
4. Renaissance College
5. West Island School
However, HKIS and ICS are not coping with IB, so they may not be your wise choice if you want your girl doing IB.
I think SIS too is a wise and brilliant choice as what you have said among all. A reputable and famous school. SIS has a nice campus, well balance between academics and extra-curriculum, and the students are quite polite too... So, I think it will be kind of nice if your girl can get it... Of course, as what you have known, SIS is really a bit difficult to get in.
My daughter is in DGJS and some of her schoolmates are applying for SIS and GSIS. These two schools are hot choices in her school.
Yup, you really have to be quite keen, like your girl has to be excel in Eng, with good academic result and other develoments. Mind you, they will be focusing on both Music and Sports. So you 'd better consider all these. Moreover, think of the way your girl goes to school coz the location is a bit inconvenient though there are school buses provided. Check with the details in their school website.
For GSIS, it will be a good choice too. There are lots of famous stars and everything is just fine. They also focus very much on well-rounded education, so you also have to be well prepared with all sort of extra- curricular activities. The school campus is really nice, big and I am sure everyone will be loving it. Again, keen competition and the location is not too convenient. So , maybe you have to get rid of that.
Li po chun, very strong academically with no doubt, but your girl will surely be having lots and lots of pressure. Moreover, they will accepting students from Grade 12 only. So it may not be a choice for you at the moment. Why not considering joining SIS in the first place?
Well, these are all my personal suggetions. The most important thing is the school really fits your girl...
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作者: ukodelechan 時間: 10-5-19 12:29
原帖由 season_sincere 於 10-5-19 12:18 發表
I 'll be starting with the ranking.
Personally, I think
1. South Island School =German Swiss International School = CHinese International School = Li Po Chun United World College= Hong Kong Internat ...
Thankyou so much! Are there any comments please?
To 'season_sincere', it's glad to know that your girl is in DGJS... Which grade is she in? She will be going to SIS too??? I also want to try DGS for my girl... Know that it's a well known school... May you please share your experience to me? Any tips?
作者: lulusing 時間: 10-5-19 13:07
原帖由 season_sincere 於 10-5-19 12:18 發表
I 'll be starting with the ranking.
Personally, I think
1. South Island School =German Swiss International School = CHinese International School = Li Po Chun United World College= Hong Kong Internat ...
Much appreciation for your attempt to rank the schools. How would you rank the ESF schools?
Island School, KGV, Shatin College, South Island School and West Island School.
In addition to GSIS and SIS, any other international schools are well recieived by your girls' school-mates?
Thank you!
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作者: season_sincere 時間: 10-5-19 14:29
原帖由 ukodelechan 於 10-5-19 12:29 發表
Thankyou so much! Are there any comments please?
To 'season_sincere', it's glad to know that your girl is in DGJS... Which grade is she in? She will be going to SIS too??? I also want to try DGS f ...
You are welcome!
It's glad to hear that you are interested in DGS, it's indeed a good school in my point of view. Well, I don't have specific tips for you seriously. As long as your daughter is smart, polite and intelligent, maybe you should just give it a try. Of course, your daughter shouldn't be only acdemically strong.
My daughters are in DGJS, but it's not yet time for them to apply for secondary schools. And, they are doing fine at DGJS, so I am not considering to apply for SIS at the moment.
作者: season_sincere 時間: 10-5-19 14:34
原帖由 lulusing 於 10-5-19 13:07 發表
Much appreciation for your attempt to rank the schools. How would you rank the ESF schools?
Island School, KGV, Shatin College, South Island School and West Island School.
In addition to GSIS and S ...
Thankyou! I'm just sharing my comments towards those schools.
Well, most schoolmates of my daughter apply for SIS, GSIS and HKIS.
Among the ESF schools, I think SIS nad SC will be the best of all, followed by WIS, KGV and IS.
作者: cecichow 時間: 10-5-19 15:40
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作者: nintendo 時間: 10-5-19 17:56
Every now and then, I see parents popping into BK, throwing a list of schools and ask BK parents to rank them. This is totally meaningless.
Most of those lists comprises schools with totally different qualities. The locations are different, the curriculum are different, the fees are different.
Look at those "ranking" of american universities. They were made by scientifically comparing schools. Yet many times, we still sees very different rankings depending on the "weight" you put on different aspects.
Many parents also tend to be too keen on providing information and "advices", and yet, many of these parents have so limited knowledge of international school education as a whole, let alone the actual situation in each and every school.
As an example, how can we fairly compare ESF schools with "expensive" schools like HKIS? In terms of resourses, I will say that HKIS would definitely be one of the best. They have one of the best university placement team, with lots of support applying to american universities. If you have the dough and if your child pass the admission, go for it. However, can you really afford the fees? We are not merely talking about debentures and school fees, but the other expenses that follows. Good for you if you can afford. (I couldn't) I would say that if your child is accepted by both HKIS and ESF, it is really silly not to accept HKIS's offer (of you can afford).
Yet ESF schools charges a lot less, and with this in mind, ESF schools are indeed quite worth the money we paid.
I believe the best way is to do more research and compare schools yourself.
唔係針對邊個, 不過有感而發
如有得罪, 請見諒
作者: Mighty 時間: 10-5-19 18:20
Very well said, Nintendo!!!
作者: glorian 時間: 10-5-19 18:30
If you would like to rank the above schools, I would say:
1. German Swiss International School
2. Hong Kong International School
3. Chinese International School
4. Li Po Chun United World College
5. South Island School
6. West Island School
7. Austrian International School
8. International Christian School
9. Renaissance College
The above ranking I made is based on the overall impression of the school to me(program quality, students quality, student diversity, school facilities, etc.)
Maybe let me tell you my comments for some of the above schools which I am more familiar.
ranked from 1-5 where 5 is the best
1. German Swiss International School:
student achievements: 5
students quality(e.g. manners): 5
school facilities: 3
student diversity: 5(mostly from europe)
2. Hong Kong International School:
student achievements: 5
students quality(e.g. manners): 3
school facilities: 5
student diversity: 4(mostly from hk and US)
3. Chinese International School:
student achievements: 5
students quality(e.g. manners): 4
school facilities: 4
student diversity: 3(mostly from hk and china)
4. Li Po Chun United World College:
student achievements: 5
students quality(e.g. manners): not familiar
school facilities: 4
student diversity: 2(many are local students from loca schools)
5. South Island School:
student achievements: 4
students quality(e.g. manners): 4
school facilities: 4
student diversity: 3(many are from hk)
6. West Island School:
student achievements: 4
students quality(e.g. manners): 3
school facilities: 4
student diversity: 3(many are from hk)
7. Australian International School:
student achievements: 3
students quality(e.g. manners): 3
school facilities: 4
student diversity: 3(many are from hk)
8. International Christian School:
student achievements: not familiar
students quality(e.g. manners): not familiar
school facilities: 5
student diversity: not familiar
9. Renaissance College:
student achievements: not familiar
students quality(e.g. manners): 3
school facilities: not familiar
student diversity: 3(mostly from asia)
Feel free to ask for comments on particular school. I will answer if I know.
作者: ukodelechan 時間: 10-5-19 20:04
原帖由 nintendo 於 10-5-19 17:56 發表
Every now and then, I see parents popping into BK, throwing a list of schools and ask BK parents to rank them. This is totally meaningless.
Most of those lists comprises schools with totally differen ...
I have been to the schools' websites and known more information about them. I think the meaning of the post is to ask for other advice from experienced parents. As those are just personal opinion, you may agree or eventually disagree. I really don't think that anyone here is trying to be bias or to promote a certain school.
"Season_Sincere" has said that HKIS is also as good as SIS, but as I am now asking for IB, HKIS is not appropriate for my girl. That;s the reason why she/he didn't advice that for me. Maybe your children are in HKIS, that;s why you are so angry... 
Anyway, I just think that everyone here are trying to offer their helping hands, and I really don't want anyone to suffer or to be offended.
Thanks everyone for your opinion , once again!
作者: lulusing 時間: 10-5-19 20:29
原帖由 glorian 於 10-5-19 18:30 發表
If you would like to rank the above schools, I would say:
1. German Swiss International School
2. Hong Kong International School
3. Chinese International School
4. Li Po Chun United World College
5. ...
How would you rate other ESF schools (Island School, KGV, Shatin College) in terms of students' achievements, students' quality (e.g. manners), school facilities and student diversity (1-5 where 5 is the best). Thank you.
作者: mattsmum 時間: 10-5-19 20:31 標題: 回覆 11# ukodelechan 的文章
Really interesting,lpc has dp only,not myp
作者: nintendo 時間: 10-5-19 20:54
原帖由 ukodelechan 於 10-5-19 20:04 發表
I have been to the schools' websites and known more information about them. I think the meaning of the post is to ask for other advice from experienced parents. As those are just personal opinion, y ...
You are over reacting. I was not angry at all.
Like I said, my message was NOT commenting on anyone in particular. Just that I do not see the point of ranking schools that are so different, unless you have some preset criteria.
In any case, I have no further interest in this topic.
PS. My kids are not in HKIS.
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作者: lottieclee 時間: 10-5-19 22:26
原帖由 nintendo 於 10-5-19 20:54 發表
You are over reacting. I was not angry at all.
Like I said, my message was NOT commenting on anyone in particular. Just that I do not see the point of ranking schools that are so different, unless ...
I agree that throwing out a list of schools is not the best way to do it. Each parent have their own preference. I know parents who absolutely love JIS and AIS, yet those won't be my choice of schools. Each school has their own strength a weakness and it depends on what the family is looking for to choose the right school, no matter IS or local.
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作者: glorian 時間: 10-5-19 22:43
I actually am not that familiar with ESF schools(esp. those in Kowloon side) compare to other international schools in Hong Kong. My comment is just a general comment based on observation of some students from those schools.
I would rank ESF schools in this way:
1. South Island School
2. West Island School
3. Shatin College
4. KGV
5. Island School
1. South Island School:
student achievements: 4
students quality(e.g. manners): 4
school facilities: 4
student diversity: 3(many are from hk)
2. West Island School:
student achievements: 4
students quality(e.g. manners): 3
school facilities: 4
student diversity: 3(many are from hk)
3. Shatin College:
student achievements: not familiar, but as I know, their university placement is not bad
students quality(e.g. manners): 5
school facilities: never been there, but it's big as I know
student diversity: 3(mostly chinese)
4. KGV:
students achievement: 4
students quality(e.g.manners):3
school facilities: not familiar
student diversity: 4
5. Island School:
student achievements: 3
students quality: 2
school facilities: 3
student diversity: 4(Island school is more diverse in terms of students nationality amongst all ESF schools)
hope this helps.
原帖由 lulusing 於 10-5-19 20:29 發表
How would you rate other ESF schools (Island School, KGV, Shatin College) in terms of students' achievements, students' quality (e.g. manners), school facilities and student diversity (1-5 where 5 i ...
作者: tamm 時間: 10-5-19 23:06
原帖由 ukodelechan 於 10-5-19 20:04 發表
I think the meaning of the post is to ask for other advice from experienced parents. As those are just personal opinion, y ...
Agree!
Just curious, why people are leaving DGS? I've heard this a number of times but cannot understand why.
作者: Yau_Cheung 時間: 10-5-19 23:31
Agree. 
原帖由 Mighty 於 10-5-19 18:20 發表
Very well said, Nintendo!!!
作者: season_sincere 時間: 10-5-20 09:00
原帖由 tamm 於 10-5-19 23:06 發表
Agree!
Just curious, why people are leaving DGS? I've heard this a number of times but cannot understand why.
Well, everyone have their own choice, some may consider going to international schools for better plan of the future as they may be going overseas in secondary, some may want to have a 'relax' life (compared with local) and actually there are quite a number of brilliant international schools in Hong Kong... So, going to international schools may not be a bad choice, isn't it.
Even though in other 'prestigious schools' like Marymount, St. Paul's Co-ed, Maryknoll, etc... Quite a lot of students will go to internaitonal schools in secondary, like F.1 or P.6
作者: season_sincere 時間: 10-5-20 09:04
Yea indeed, everyone have their own preference in mind when choosing different schools. And of course, it's really difficult to find a 'perfect' list which everyone would agree.
But yet, I think the reasons they rank the schools are still precious and can act like a little bit of guidance.
I take a neutral stand in this issue, but I think this can be regarded as a type of sharing~
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作者: Darth 時間: 10-5-20 15:56
10 間學校, 有咁多間話 "NOT FAMILIAR", 都夠膽死學人比 RANKING. LPC 係明明好多外籍學生... ISLAND S 竟然係 ESF 排第 5... ICS 4 項有 3 項 NOT FAMILIAR, 咁又憑乜比排名, 重要排到咁後. STUDENT QUALITY? 我仔讀 ESF SC, 都唔敢亂講其他 ESF D 學生 D MANNER 係點. 呢個 POST都係就當係笑話睇好喇.
作者: YauMum 時間: 10-5-20 16:01
Well, ICS has recently posted to parents that AP is the choice of the school up to this moment.
Nevertheless, I have no objection to it. If all IS turn to IB which means no choice to the students/parents.
Also, don't have a misunderstanding that IB is easy to get good marks or get to well known U.
原帖由 cecichow 於 10-5-19 15:40 發表
ICS is not adopting IB curriculum?????
作者: YauMum 時間: 10-5-20 16:05
Very fair comment.
And I am sorry to you as I accidentally pressed the adjacent button.
原帖由 lottieclee 於 10-5-19 22:26 發表
I agree that throwing out a list of schools is not the best way to do it. Each parent have their own preference. I know parents who absolutely love JIS and AIS, yet those won't be my choice of sch ...
作者: glorian 時間: 10-5-20 22:13
I have already said that I am NOT really familiar with IS in Kowloon. Out of the 10 schools she provided, only the ones in Kowloon got a few 'NOT FAMILIAR' The ranking is based on the overall impression. That's why I further explained my PERSONAL ranking in 4 areas. If you don't agree with it, you can simply say you have other preference or agree with the other parents that schools should not be ranked. But I just wanna emphasize again:
The above rankings are my PERSONAL rankings for those schools.
*If you don't understand the word 'personal', you can go check it up in any English dictionary.*
I actually wouldn't even regard LPC as an international school as most students there enrol to the school not because of their parents' emigration. LPC is more like a school that receives international students who wish to study in Hong Kong. And the local students that go there are mostly originally from local schools. They don't even speak good English(as in their accent, not their grammar) LPC is an exceptional case amongst the international schools circle in Hong Kong.
I don't see HOW Island School can rank higher than that amongst ESF secondary schools. Are you implying that Island School is better than SIS, WIS, KGV or where your son goes -- SC? I don't want to judge KGV and SC as again, I said I'm not familiar with IS in Kowloon. Yet based on my experience with international schools, Island School really isn't that good in terms of 'student quality'. It means nothing that your son goes to SC, one of the ESF schools. Your family probably lives in Kowloon, hence has no say in international schools on Hong Kong side. How could your son possibly know the student quality of Island School? That's just not anything in his social circle. I'm sure that he can give comments on KGV and his own school, SC, but definitely not ESF schools on Hong Kong island, let alone other international schools on Hong Kong island.
If your OWN social circle covers anywhere on Hong Kong side, go ask any students living on HK island who go to any international schools in this area. They generally have a pretty bad impression on students from Island School. Students from SIS, WIS, or even IS probably have a better impression on Island School, but perhaps you would be surprised about what students from other international schools (e.g. CDNIS, HKIS, CIS, FIS, GSIS, etc) say about Island School.
原帖由 Darth 於 10-5-20 15:56 發表
10 間學校, 有咁多間話 "NOT FAMILIAR", 都夠膽死學人比 RANKING. LPC 係明明好多外籍學生... ISLAND S 竟然係 ESF 排第 5... ICS 4 項有 3 項 NOT FAMILIAR, 咁又憑乜比排名, 重要排到咁後. STUDENT QUALITY? 我仔 ...
作者: Darth 時間: 10-5-21 00:16
你仔女讀邊間 ?
定係你只係一個補習老師 ? 接觸過一 D 國際學校學生, 就當知好多野 ?
除左我仔學校, 其他學校好多情形我都知, 起碼肯定比你知得多, 不過我知的依然唔全面, 我唔會好似你咁亂比 "分" 人地學校
做人有 D 責任心好 D , 唔係話一句 "PERSONAL OPINION" 可以亂 UP 當秘笈
不過我都唔同你玩喇, 唔上你當
呢邊比 D 根本對國際學校唔熟的人騎劫晒
作者: glorian 時間: 10-5-21 01:14
My children go to an independent international school with european country background on Hong Kong island. I ain't no private tutor but I used to study at international schools in Hong Kong back when I was a student.
I highly doubt that you know the circumstances at other international schools as you are just one of the parents who send your kid to one of the ESF schools. Based on your habit of replying in Chinese, my assumption is that you were a student at local schools. I am sure that my personal experience studying at international schools in Hong Kong for over 10 years and putting my children in international school help me draw more objective and just conclusions of my personal impression on some international schools that are familiar to me than you do.
I don't get why you said that you definitely know better than I do, perhaps that is out of narcissism or egotism. Yet I believe no one can compare their own knowledge on some specific areas without even knowing how much the other knows. Hence, what you claimed just made a complete fool of yourself, no matter how objective you tried so hard to sound.
And the reason why I used the word 'personal' is not because I want to run away from responsibility. It is a REMINDER for parents who are reading this thread that the above comments I made are based on my observation and knowledge on international schools, which might be affected by my personal experience on my road of exploring international schools in HK. Hence reminding parents that they should only take it as REFERENCE, not ORDERS or anything else that limit their liberty of choosing a right international school for their children.
I also got one reminder for you:
Mind Your Attitude.
原帖由 Darth 於 10-5-21 00:16 發表
你仔女讀邊間 ?
定係你只係一個補習老師 ? 接觸過一 D 國際學校學生, 就當知好多野 ?
除左我仔學校, 其他學校好多情形我都知, 起碼肯定比你知得多, 不過我知的依然唔全面, 我唔會好似你咁亂比 "分" 人地學校
做人 ...
作者: zhangbaba 時間: 10-5-21 10:31
I have one more suggestion on the list, FIS (French International School), which is the first IB DP school in HK since 1988. FIS maybe a little low profile comparing to other schools, but the academic results are on par with top school like GSIS/CIS.
作者: Darth 時間: 10-5-21 13:35
原帖由 glorian 於 10-5-21 01:14 發表
My children go to an independent international school with european country background on Hong Kong island. I ain't no private tutor but I used to study at international schools in Hong Kong back when ...
So my typing in Chinese bothered you? I did not know that this forum ONLY accepts typing in English. I am so sorry, but I am glad you have good Chinese language skills to actually understand what I typed.
It is also funny how local people see people using Chinese. I have learnt a lesson. From now on, I will never speak or type in Chinese here. I will also pretend that I do not know Chinese.
It is so funny how the background of yourself comes into the picture here. But since you seem to believe one's background matters, I do not mind telling you mine. While you were probably studying in those many international schools (wow... "schools" in plural... did you mean ALL international schools on the island? that is something...), I was in fact living in the US and Canada. (No. We seldom went to China Town.)
You are the winner. Since you have studied in SO MANY international schools when you were a student, I am sure you must know so much about things back then.
Ok. You know SO MUCH. Ok. Ok. Ok. (arms in air) I give up. Like most other BK international schools parents, I have no more interest in this topic. You are officially the king/queen of international schools.
I am quitting BK totally and will be starting a fan club page of you. Will let you have the link later. "King/Queen of International Schools" who "knows more than anyone in Hong Kong about international schools". Ok. Be patient. The link will follow soon. But in the meantime, please continue to provide your advices here. I see that you already have a few fans.
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作者: glorian 時間: 10-5-21 21:44
I never said or implied that you typing in Chinese bothers me. If it bothers me, I wouldn't even put effort in reading it. I just meant that if you were from a local school, you most likely hadn't much knowledge on international schools in Hong Kong and could not make a fair judgement as you had never experienced studying in one of these IS in Hong Kong as a student. Hence your so-called 'knowledge' would only be based on a parent's perspective, unlike mine, which is from both student's and parent's persepctive.
I am Chinese in ethnic doesn't mean that I am a 'local'. I wasn't born in HK/China, nor have I lived in HK/China for more than 10 years. When my parents emigrated to Hong Kong, I attended two international schoolS at different time. (plural form is used when describing two or more in quantity) Does that answer your question?
No one has ever said one's background matters, nor has anyone said writing in English equals pretending to be a Chinese illiterate. As long as we are still communicating, we both know you and I know English AND Chinese. And as I said, stating my assumption of your education background is just for the use of supporting my point: one cannot say s/he knows much more better than the other if s/he has not even experienced the issue being discussed. Let me say it again: My assumption based on your Chinese writing is just for the use of supporting my statement, not dissing anyone's background or saying English is prior to Chinese or anything. If you want to think in this way, it is your call. Yet it also proves everyone that you have always had this idea in mind, or you wouldn't even bring it up, as I have never thought that you could interpret it like this.
Thank you for telling me your background, though it doesn't help at all. Oh..and answering question in your imagination? I surely know your family seldom WENT to China Town. You guys were BASED in China Town, or where did you get your Chinese fluency? I have never seen anyone living outside of Chinese Town overseas has such Chinese fluency and can write in such local Cantonese way. It would be really great if you could share your experience with parents who are living overseas or planning to send their children overseas on how you maintained your Chinese fluency or how your parents taught you Chinese in a complete foreign enviornment.
I actually find this interesting. I treat it as a debate, a post which every parent can get something from our threads. This ain't a competition. There is no winner? I am sure that you have seen debate competitions back when you were a student. Debate isn't a competition. Points from both side can easily be defeated by how one perceives things. Debate is more like an activity that allows people to think in a new way and find special points about things as you see things from another way. I enjoy debating with you very much as not only me, you and other BK parents can learn things through our debate. What is so bad about it?
Thank you for your thought but I have no interest in being "King/Queen of international schools" which you just made official. I seem not to be the one who claims that s/he "knows more than anyone in Hong Kong about international schools"?You gotta scroll up...
I don't see any so-called 'fans' here and I don't wish to have 'fans'. This place is just for parents to express ideas and share experience. It's more like an idea exchange than idolism. Everyone is welcomed to share thoughts here, not only you and me.
btw, the word 'advice' is an uncountable noun. Just so you know...
原帖由 Darth 於 10-5-21 13:35 發表
So my typing in Chinese bothered you? I did not know that this forum ONLY accepts typing in English. I am so sorry, but I am glad you have good Chinese language skills to actually understand what I ...
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After reading all the posts, it is quite obvious that your knowledge and understanding on HK's IS is much, much better than all the others who have posted in this thread before.
There is no need to a ...
Glad to see this kind of sharing on this forum!
作者: lulusing 時間: 10-6-3 14:01
原帖由 jediknight 於 10-5-26 15:02 發表
After reading all the posts, it is quite obvious that your knowledge and understanding on HK's IS is much, much better than all the others who have posted in this thread before.
There is no need to a ...
My personal order of preference of ESF schools in the HK side is: IS, SIS, WIS; while in the Kowloon side is SC, KGV.
My overall preference is
- IS
- SIS or SC (depending on the location of living)
- WIS or KGV (depending on the location of living)
Don't ask me why I have such preference. It is my personal feeling or impression.
What is the feeling or impression, and what are the sources of the feeling or impression?
Common knowledge? General opinion from friends and relatives? News from mess media or other sources? I understand that feeling is feeling, while impression is impression, and we do not need to have any hard (quantitative) data/evidence to support. Just want to know what feeling or impression is and the sources for the fomration of the feeling or impression. Thanks.
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作者: seec 時間: 10-6-3 15:01
glorian and all,
Suppose the kid want to study medicine in HK,which one would be the better choice??
According to academic level,how's the ranking of GSIS,HKIS and CIS?
Thanks!
原帖由 glorian 於 10-5-19 18:30 發表
If you would like to rank the above schools, I would say:
1. German Swiss International School
2. Hong Kong International School
3. Chinese International School
4. Li Po Chun United World College
5. ...
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作者: glorian 時間: 10-6-3 17:48
原帖由 seec 於 10-6-3 15:01 發表
glorian and all,
Suppose the kid want to study medicine in HK,which one would be the better choice??
According to academic level,how's the ranking of GSIS,HKIS and CIS?
Thanks!
I am glad to see there is finally some rational discussionon BK :)
To be able to get into medical majors in university, I suppose the student must have very strong academic result. I guess the school isn't a big deal because a smart kid can always excel in his/her school no matter what school s/he is from. And personally I don't know which IS is particularly good at Biology(or subject that's related to medicine). I know that history in CIS is pretty strong as they got some really good teachers and history curriculum. It is hardly to find students who don't like History in CIS. But honestly, I really have no clue about science subjects in any IS.
So I guess it is better to think in the 'curriculum' way. I personally think british curriculum may give advantage to students who wish to study Medicine as you can choose the focus of your A level studies. The other curriculums(e.g. IB and american) get students prepared as an all-rounder, rather than a specialist. But of course, IB students perform better in THINKING, as well as academics, as it is the most prestigious curriculum internationally anyways.
I would say it is quite hard to rank the academic level ofGSIS, HKIS and CIS as they follow different curriculums.Students from GSIS usually go to universities in UK, HKIS students usually go to US universities while students from CIS go to universities worldwide(US, UK, Canada, HK) I think GSIS and CIS stand out more than HKIS in academic means.
GSIS students get top-notched results in open exams like IGCSEs/A levels. I have heard of quite a number of stories about top-notched students in GSIS. Of course there must be some students who can't quite catch up with the syllabus or something but I don't quite know this kinda insiders' stories. But I gotta mention: GSIS students are exceptionally nice and well-mannered. Students there are like the nicest persons I know from international schools.
CIS got some really talented students. They don't only study, they also participate in lots of ECAs without interfering their own studies. CIS students have quite a large difference in terms of academic abilities. Some students get full mark in IB, some only get 28-32 marks in IB. So I would say it really depends on the student himself, whether s/he is motivated or not. And one thing I noticed from CIS class of 2010's graduation, CIS teachers aren't quite nice.
HKIS' curriculum should be the easiest out of the 3. The curriculum there challenges students intellectually more then academically. There are lots of interesting courses for selection. So I guess HKIS is more suitable for students who have great curiosity, who wants to explore different areas and challenge themselves with some 'unknown' new things.
All three schools send students to top universities around the world, but sometimes it isn't solely about the student's ability, but parents' background and financial situation. It is reality anyways.
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作者: glorian 時間: 10-6-3 21:57
Excuse me for my mistake. The first IB examination of GSIS will be held in 2015. GSIS students are still taking A levels examinations at the moment. I am not sure about universities in Hong Kong, but UK universities definitely accept IB scores. Perhaps IB students who wish to apply for medicine can apply through non-jupas?
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Firstly, I would like to clarify that in order to study medicine in HK, one must study "Chemistry" but not "Biology". Please note that there are quite a number of medical students who haven't taken Bi ...
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I know GSIS will have the first IB exam in 2015. However, the kids of most of the parents in this forum are either in Kinder, primary or at most junior secondary and therefore whether GSIS is still ta ...
Hi - are you the student or the parent? You mean your kid is determined to go to medical school at the early stage?
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作者: arielle.w 時間: 10-6-4 22:20
I am pretty sure that UK medical schools do accept IB scores from international students although the competition in UK is already very high. I mean there are quotas in every university for international students. You should get ready to get into a much more competitive pool of applicants as an international student, yet college admission is fair. No matter what curriculum you're taking, you can get in if you truly deserve it. Local competition of UK medical schools undoubtedly is high but it shouldn't be a reason for anyone not applying.
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I know GSIS will have the first IB exam in 2015. However, the kids of most of the parents in this forum are either in Kinder, primary or at most junior secondary and therefore whether GSIS is still ta ...
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作者: seec 時間: 10-6-5 10:27
glorian,
Thank you very much for your comments. It's new to me that HKIS 's curriculum stresses on intellectual more then academic. it's a very useful info to me. You said there are lots of interesting courses for selection. Is that like electives in university? Aimed at eye opening and critical thinking but not in deepth study ??
Do you mind comment more on IB which I'm not familiar with?Are students only can choose 3 subjects except 2 languages? Is the curriculum is much easier than IGCES?
For GSIS,IB is newly introduced. Do u think the school is well-prepared for it?
I'm quite interested in the case the CIS student got full marks in IB. Do you know the details?
Thank!!
Thanks!原帖由 glorian 於 10-6-3 17:48 發表
I am glad to see there is finally some rational discussionon BK :)
To be able to get into medical majors in university, I suppose the student must have very strong academic result. I guess the school isn't a big deal because a smart kid can always excel in his/her school no matter what school s/he is from. And personally I don't know which IS is particularly good at Biology(or subject that's related to medicine). I know that history in CIS is pretty strong as they got some really good teachers and history curriculum. It is hardly to find students who don't like History in CIS. But honestly, I really have no clue about science subjects in any IS.
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作者: arielle.w 時間: 10-6-5 10:44
I don't specifically know about UK medical schools, but as I know, most of the universities have a certain quota for international students. I heard it from some US college admission officers. Apparently there is a quota of admitted students for every country in this world. Say like if they only have 20 quotas for Hong Kong, then they can only admit 20 students from Hong Kong, and the remaining places for international students will be reserved for students from other parts of the world.
Undoubtedly international students face a much intense competition no matter what academic field they wish to attend, let alone medical schools. I guess the only thing your child can do is to study hard and try his best to get into his ideal school.
原帖由 jediknight 於 10-6-4 22:29 發表
No, it is not what I meant. I remember that I have read some kinds of regulations or requirements about studying university in UK that unlike any other curriculum, there is in fact a quota of admittin ...
作者: glorian 時間: 10-6-5 11:12
Seec,
Yes, the academic programs at HKIS are more like university ones, of course they don't offer as much courses as universities do. In order to graduate, students have to get enough credit for different area of study. And there are a number of courses in each area of study. Basically, HKIS students need credits from:
4 English
2.5 Social Studies
3 Maths
2 Science
2 3/4 Physical Education & Health
1 or 1.5 Fine Arts
1 Religion
0.5 Information Technology
0.5 Asian Studies
and Interim is a must
You can find some interesting courses within the choices of academic programs, like Musical Theatre and Music Production, Career Exploration, Learning Stategies/Study Skills, Public Speaking, Self Defense, etc. As HKIS follows American curriculum, you can find lots of 'unusual' programs that other schools don't offer. Their programs do aim at eye opening and critical thinking, but I don't mean that their courses are not in depth. The difficulty of their programs is just not as hard comparing to IB or the HK local system (HKAL, HKCEE).
And for IB, it is definitely much harder than UK/American curriculum. IB requires students to be committed to their work and be hard-working. Many IB students complain that IB program occupies most of their time and they don't have spare time to do things they want to do. I believe it's just a matter of self and time management. IB is worth to take as students actually have advantage in the college admission process. Students choose subjects from 6 groups and have to take TOK(Theory of Knowledge), write an extended essay(EE) and take part in services and activities(Creativity, action, service)
Group 1: Language A1 (Native Language)
Group 2: Second Language (A2, B or initial)
Group 3: Individuals and societies (e.g. economics, geography, history, etc)
Group 4 Experimental Sciences (all science subjects u can imagine)
Group 5: Mathematics and computer science
Group 6: The arts (Music/ Theatre/ Visual arts/ Film)
You can see that IB students receive a well-rounded education and what makes them special is actually the TOK. This is a class where they discuss about things they won't usually discuss in real life. Teachers and students can raise some really 'unimportant' questions that people don't usually notice in real life and have a nice discussion. IB students think differently. They are curious in everything. That probably is why universities love taking IB students (of course experience in writing an extended essay is also a plus)
It is quite hard to tell if GSIS is prepared for it. I don't know if GSIS students can adapt to IB easily because they are following GCE right now, which does not require too much thinking, but in depth studying. I am pretty sure it takes time for students to get used to it. Just like when CDNIS started IB program last year, students kept complaining about it because apparently the thing is much harder than what they used to study. I think the teachers of the school should be prepared for the change as the school would probably provide training but I'm not sure if GSIS students can take the change in such a short time.
The IB result of this year hasn't been released but there is one( at least) student in CIS who got full predicted scores. (and some got almost full predicted scores) He is the head boy of Class of 2010 and he is just brilliant. He doesn't solely get good grades, but shows exceptional leadership, excellent achievement in sports and is a confident young man. He got admitted by many US ivy schools and he accepted the offer from Princeton University.
原帖由 seec 於 10-6-5 10:27 發表
glorian,
Thank you very much for your comments. It's new to me that HKIS 's curriculum stresses on intellectual more then academic. it's a very useful info to me. You said there are lots of interesti ...
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作者: glorian 時間: 10-6-7 23:25
In my opinion, the two year post year 11 education is to prepare students for university. Students have the responsibility to choose the right subjects that suit their future needs. One definitely is not going to apply for every study field in university, so why bother to fit into the entry requirements of all the study fields an university provides, including those you aren't even interested? So why would not qualifying for some specific requirements of majors in universities be the drawback of IBD? Any curriculum that prepares students for university studies(e.g. GCE, HKAL, IBD, etc) is a chance for students to think about what they want in the future and make a right choice. This is just a process of learning. Of course some people/educational institutes would criticize a certain curriculum as everyone thinks in a different way. I understand why those European universities(as you mentioned) said that IBD is too broad, but it definitely isn't 'general' or 'not in-depth'. I am pretty sure that the difficulty of IBD is higher than most of the curriculums in the world, of course, including the UK one.
Yes, one can have 9-10 subjects in GCE O-level but the problem is who would actually do that and whether the school allows it. I heard that some brilliant students at some schools(overseas) requested to take more than 4 subjects in GCE A-level but got turned down from the school simply because the school doesn't allow it. I guess it's more or less the same as HKCEE. One can take 10 subjects at most but some takes 8 or even less. Some schools don't allow students to take 10 subjects because they need to devote a large amount of time in each subject, taking one more subject (e.g. to make it ten) could be a burden and might affect the students' result. It is not about being allowed to take these many subjects in this curriculum or showing your width and depth in studies, it is about your grades, your scores at the end. If a student could focus on their interested field and get better result by studying less subjects, why should s/he take more than that to show that s/he has the ability to or something? It is somehow stupid to do so.
And I think you need to clear your logic first. At the first paragraph, you just said that students may take two humanity subjects or two science subjects. However, some curriculum of some univeristies would not accept to have only 2 science subjects. But then in the next paragraph, you said that 'one can have more focus on science subjects or humanity subjects at A level in order to be better prepare for university study. ' (because one can choose 9-10 subjects and choose to focus on either science or humanities) Isn't it the same thing as 'the drawback of IBD'? :S
Besides, I strongly disagree with what you said in the last paragraph -- "only the teachers need to adjust the switching from A-level to IBD but not the students. Good quality students like GSIS have no problem to take any curriculum" I can tell you here that THIS IS NOT TRUE.
IBD is not just about studying, it is about how a person thinks. Honestly, GCSE is a completely different thing from IBD. It focuses on academics more than critical thinking. IBD students think differently, as I mentioned. I don't think one can have a sudden change in thinking just because s/he switches the curriculum. It requires time and training. It is a process, not a step. And by saying 'good quality students like GSIS('s students) have no problem to take any curriculum', do you mean that other students(e.g. CDNIS Class of '10) who find it difficult to switch to IBD aren't 'good quality students'? Your statement is pretty bold!
I guess the writing practice in GCSE do help GSIS students to do well in IBD's EE, yet it doesn't mean that they can easily adapt to the difficulty of IBD and how IBD works (mostly in intellectual way). I do know that some excellent local schools students switch to Li Po Chun to take IBD. But years ago, I read this news article about Li Po Chun's IBD program. Some transferred students enjoyed the program very much but some didn't and dropped out of the school because they were not use to IBD's thinking method. It proves that taking IBD isn't just about academic results, it also is about a person's intellectual ability.
原帖由 jediknight 於 10-6-7 16:18 發表
No, for the Group 6 of the IBD (i.e. the last subject), you may choose another subject in Group 3 or 4, i.e. then you may have two humanity subjects or two science subjects. However, some curriculum o ...
作者: wan628 時間: 10-6-8 00:44
樓主,除左IB school之外,其實仲有一個選擇,就係耀中!
唔係賣廣告,雖然我係應屆耀中畢業生,但係耀中辦IB真係有經驗,而家仲改到中學讀六年,就返香港而家個334制度.
作者: delusionist 時間: 10-6-8 09:03
I am not a YC parent but notice that, despite what some YC haters love to believe, YC students did well in IB exam (in fact, better than a number of so called "real" international schools).
作者: Darth 時間: 10-6-8 09:17
原帖由 delusionist 於 10-6-8 09:03 發表
I am not a YC parent but notice that, despite what some YC haters love to believe, YC students did well in IB exam (in fact, better than a number of so called "real" international schools).
Any clues why people do not like YC and put it almost at the bottom of the list of international schools, even thought they are as good as you claimed?
作者: delusionist 時間: 10-6-8 09:54
Just guessing - worshiping English on one hand, a few of those parents who have decided to send their kids to a "real" international school fear that they have wronged their children in the Chinese department. Criticizing YC (and RC too) for being not "international" enough is self-comforting. In fact, those who love to pretend to have an "international" mind are in fact very "local". Ask them what they are reading and what sports they are playing will immediately reveal how "international" they are.
作者: delusionist 時間: 10-6-8 09:59
By the way, I tend to agree with ruth-esther that this is totally pointless. Only those "too local" parents love to argue which international school is the best.
My 2 cents worth to the one who started this thread: schools with a lot of parents who are keen to come out and argue that their kids' schools are better or the best can't be too "international". (I am not talking about GSIS. The GSIS parents I know are not like that gentleman whose name I dare not mention).
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作者: Darth 時間: 10-6-8 10:16
原帖由 delusionist 於 10-6-8 09:59 發表
Only those "too local" parents love to argue which international school is the best.
I agree with you on this point.
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作者: delusionist 時間: 10-6-8 11:38
It all sounds ordinary. Ordinary stuff; ordinary thought.
作者: delusionist 時間: 10-6-8 11:50
When a kid faces something that he can't understand or a hurdle that seems insurmountable, he stamps on their feet, yells, calls people around him naive and crazy and becomes a brat...
Young Jedi, be patient. It may take you a bit longer to understand what you can't now understand. But, be patient. You will (hopefully) be there one day.
May the force be with you.
作者: nintendo 時間: 10-6-8 11:50
jedi,
I guess you should not mislead other people. Yes. There are lots of rankings done scientifically elsewhere. Those rankings provide details of how they rank a school. And yet those rankings are all different.
Further, there is as yet no scientific ranking list of international schools in Hong Kong, except those compiled by individuals. I would say such so called rankings are quite meaningless, since they only show individual preferences.
PS. May be you should listen to the wise woman at home and stop being so silly.
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作者: delusionist 時間: 10-6-8 12:15
[quote]I have read a detailed report conducted by a respective body about the comparision between A-level and IBD.{/quote]
You mean the report ordered to be compiled by the senior management of GSIS a few years ago? Good heaven. You are so funny.
作者: nintendo 時間: 10-6-8 12:19
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I really have to go now and I will later come back to rebut your silly arguments.
May the force be with you.
Do what ever you want.
No further interests in reading your messages.
作者: mow-mow 時間: 10-6-8 12:26
League table are useful if based on factual findings such as GCSE & A-level results rather than impressions & heresay.
But foreign parents are just as keen as local ones to compare schools!
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作者: glorian 時間: 10-6-8 15:23
The reasons why IBD students can't take more than 2 science/ humanity subjects are that IBO wants them to keep a balanced and broad course selection and it is hard for one to take three science subjects in IBD because of the difficulty of IBD studies. (It is NOT GCE A level) You mentioned that "some curriculum of some univeristies would not accept to have only 2 science subjects.". Can you cite us some examples? Like what universities only accept students who take three science subjects? In US, UK, Canada, HK or other countries? Since amongst the universities that I know, there is no limitation of subject choice for IBD students(sometimes they do for GCE A level students). They only require IBD students to get a certain score(e.g. 38/45) as the basic entry requirement. Universities look at IBD as a curriculum that can only be completed by a broad and balanced selection in subject choice, not specific studies in a certain field/area like GCE A level.
And how am my knowledge in IBD 'so limited'? This is pretty interesting as we don't really know each other, how could you possibly know how much I know about IBD? Where did you read that 'detailed report'? And by what 'respective body'? And what do you get from that report makes you think that my comparison between difficulty of IBD and other curriculums is doubtful? If you have the link of that 'detailed report by some respective body', please do post it here. It could be a very good source for parents' reference.
I do agree that GCSE and GCE A level are flexible but if the school doesn't allow students making a free choice in subject selections or taking more than a certain number of subjects, what can students/parents do about it? Honestly, most of the schools don't allow the above conditions. It IS the school's problem but at the same time, it IS reality. You can complain about how the school is being ridiculous not letting students do that but if the school doesn't allow, you just can't do it, no matter how nice and flexible GCSE/GCE A level may sound. Say like your son wants to do the exact same thing but the school doesn't allow him. What could you do about it? You can't drop him out of the school but to follow the policies!
And actually, I think we are digressing from the topic. It was first 'Which intl' school is better?", then it's about GSIS adapting IBD, now its the comparison between GCE A level and IBD, and even GCSEs. I really think we are going a bit too far.
原帖由 jediknight 於 10-6-8 11:58 發表
From your previous postings, I have already pointed out a number of factual mistakes given by you. It seems that you in fact do not have much knowledge about education.
In my opinion, the two year po ...
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作者: delusionist 時間: 10-6-8 15:35
Seems that my guess is correct - you are relying on that infamous GSIS's report (lucky that the majority of the GSIS's parents were not dummies and voted for IB instead).
As your son wants to be a doctor one day, here is some info for your. You DON'T need 3 science subjects to do medicine in the UK. See that?
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作者: delusionist 時間: 10-6-8 15:42
Please open and view the attached image file in a separate tab/windows.
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作者: delusionist 時間: 10-6-8 17:23
As you have turned off the NIS (naive, ignorant and stupid) mode, I shall entertain your questions.
Even though it may be, I still have doubt as my most preferrable universities do not exactly provide a possible view but just ask you to contact the university. So far I feel that they don't share the same view on IBD results.
Oxbridge never make it clear to the public what they want. It has been their way of doing things since the beginning of the universe. Their official reply to UCAS always is: Each application will be assessed separately. It's doesn't matter whether it is IBDP or AL, they won't tell you how many As in AL they want. One thing is clear, they do not require 3 sciences in IB. Never.
By the way, please note that you are only true that the average GSIS' parents voted for IB but I can say that those are really dummies.
I know you will say this. You are you. You'll never learn or change. If someone take a different view, it's only because they are dummies.
Do you know the distribution of votes among the parents on the IB issue? Do you know the majority of votes from the teachers and top management?
Of course I know. I also know that the school, the teachers and the secondary school parents have a vested interest in AL. Do you know that some of the teachers will have to have at much as 120 hours of retraining to properly call themselves IB teachers? Do you know how much the school will have to invest in the teachers and the new curricula? Believe it or not, finance is a big concern.
On the other hand, I really want to confirm whether the fact sheet provided by Delusionist is specifically for applying medical schools in UK.
The answer is yes. One qualification: it is for the year of 2008. The relevant figures for 2009 will be released in Aug or Sept.
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作者: nintendo 時間: 10-6-8 18:06
原帖由 jediknight 於 10-6-8 17:05 發表
There is no so called really scientifically ranking in the world. Don't be fooled and believe in those findings without question!
Hello? Anybody home?
You are losing all the logic.
I am so disappointed. You cannot even understand what I was trying to say.
作者: oooray 時間: 10-6-8 18:41
Hi Delusionist,
"I know you will say this. You are you. You'll never learn or change. If someone take a different view, it's only because they are dummies."
Very concise and precise description. Bravo!
作者: glorian 時間: 10-6-8 20:46
I understand why you say that it would probably be easier for students to take 3 subjects in only science/humanity field. But honestly, taking 3 subjects in only one area of study (science/humanities) is an automatic suicide for most IBD students. It may always seem possible for GCE students because materials covered in GCE (say, science subjects) are related and it may even be better if they just focus on either science/humanities. Yet every subject in IBD is in-depth, much more difficult than GCE subjects, many students already find IBD Maths is so hard that only a few students would take Maths HL in IBD. I strongly believe that IB students who take 3 subjects in Science are truly outstanding and actually could get into MIT without difficulties. It's just not anything any average students can do.
The broad and balanced EDUCATION(as you mentioned) provided by IBO cannot be compared to GCSE O-levels. First, IBD and GCSEs are of different levels of studies. Second, GCSEs students is not required to do 'extra work' like EE , TOK and ECAs that IBD requires. GCSEs does allow students to have flexibility in subject choice but all they do is to focus on studying the subjects that they take and perform well in their written papers and coursework. So my concern is if GCSEs is already good enough to take care of the 'broad and balanced education' IBD provided which doesn't solely focus on one's academic ability, but also essay writing skills, critical thinking and a balanced ECAs life?
I do understand that some european universities do have 'unusual' entry requirements. Fairly speaking, why does it matter that some German universities do not accept IB students because of the insufficient science subjects in a student's own course selection? It's not like German universities are popular choice amongst high school graduating students from HK. I believe most of the students in Hong Kong aim at universities in UK, US, Canada or HK. So how can we use these exceptions/minority as one of the drawbacks of IBD? Actually, it can be the same for GCE A level. One can say some universities in somewhere do not recognize it, but it doesn't mean that GCE A level is not worth taking because these minorities do not accept it.
And as you are considering UK universities for your son(who you think is more suitable for IBD instead of GCE), I find it interesting how you cite examples from Germany as the drawback of IBD. I do not know about ALL medical schools in UK, but I have some prospectuses of some UK universities in hand. They do accept IB students and they do not have limitation in the student's subject choice. They only have a basic score requirement. I am not speaking for all UK medical schools, nor do I know which UK medical schools you want your son to enter. But why don't you go check on their webiste? I'm sure that they got the most reliable and detailed resource about subject choice of IB students or IB scores requirements there.
"No, it is not true. Firstly, not all the UK or US universities are actually accept IBD results. "
Honestly I highly doubt this statement. IBD is internationally recognized. Until now, I haven't heard of any UK/US universities that do not accept IBD results. It actually is about fairness, not really the recognition of the program itself. IBD is adapted by schools all over the world. It would be so unfair for an university not to accept, or even CONSIDER, some certain local students just because they are taking IBD. Even the academic qualification in a small place like HK can be listed on universities' entry requirements all around the globe, I am sure IBD, this curriculum adapted by high schools all around the world, is also listed on universities' entry requirements internationally.
"For example, a student who chooses 2 humanity subjects but only 1 science subject, I can guarantee that none of the medical schools will accept that students. "
Actually this case is possible provided that the student takes Chemistry. (as we discussed before) I've checked some UK medical schools. They have a certain grade requirement for GCE A level students, but the must-take course is Chemistry, which means a student who takes Chemistry as one of his/her GCE subjects can be qualified for medical schools. It is just the same for IBD - taking the required science subject by the school authority gets prospective students an entry ticket for medical schools.
Here, correct or incorrect is defined by you. How can you be sure that the information about IBD that you provided is absolutely 'correct'? I do admit that I do not know much about medical schools, not like I myself am working in the medical profession, but it doesn't affect the accuracy of information about IBD I provided. Please separate them clearly.
Anyways, I am glad that we are discussing it in a logical way, instead of verbally attack each other or making irrational comments on others' opinion.
原帖由 jediknight 於 10-6-8 15:55 發表
The reasons why IBD students can't take more than 2 science/ humanity subjects are that IBO wants them to keep a balanced and broad course selection and it is hard for one to take three science subjec ...
作者: lulusing 時間: 10-6-9 09:58
原帖由 delusionist 於 10-6-8 15:35 發表
Seems that my guess is correct - you are relying on that infamous GSIS's report (lucky that the majority of the GSIS's parents were not dummies and voted for IB instead).
As your son wants to be a do ...
Dear delusionist,
Many thanks for this. What is the source of the table?
作者: delusionist 時間: 10-6-9 10:52
原帖由 lulusing 於 10-6-9 09:58 發表
Dear delusionist,
Many thanks for this. What is the source of the table?
I was referred to it by an IB coordinator of an independent school in HK.
作者: friendlyguy 時間: 10-6-9 11:57
Hi glorian,
Your statement:
Yet every subject in IBD is in-depth, much more difficult than GCE subjects,
really scare me.
An average GCE AL student will take 3 to 4 subjects. IB student need to take 6 subjects with EE,TOK, CAS in addition. If the width and depth of the same subject of the both programes are the same (not to say IBD is more difficult), does it means that the work load of IB student is at less 2X GCE AL student?
I haven't read about the syllabus of different subjects of IB and I was graduated from high school decades ago. I just want to know more.
原帖由 glorian 於 10-6-8 20:46 發表
I understand why you say that it would probably be easier for students to take 3 subjects in only science/humanity field. But honestly, taking 3 subjects in only one area of study (science/humanities) ...
作者: glorian 時間: 10-6-9 12:05
Basically, YES. The work load of IB students is at least 2X GCE A level's students.
I don't know how much you know about IBD, but it is a known fact that IB students have a very heavy workload. IB students consistently complain about how heavy the workload is and how IBD occupies most of their time that they can't really spare time for their ECAs or even simply sit down and have dinner with their family.
Let's not talk about the depth of IB course comparing to GCE A levels as it is really hard how one measures the 'depth' of knowledge, but IB courses cover more things than GCE A levels. For example, the GCE A level Economics only covers the first two sections(or unit, paper or something along that line) of IB Economics HL course.
原帖由 friendlyguy 於 10-6-9 11:57 發表
Hi glorian,
Your statement:
Yet every subject in IBD is in-depth, much more difficult than GCE subjects,
really scare me.
An average GCE AL student will take 3 to 4 subjects. IB student need to take ...
[ 本帖最後由 glorian 於 10-6-9 12:07 編輯 ]
作者: friendlyguy 時間: 10-6-9 12:08 標題: 回覆 73# jediknight 的文章
Jedi,
I think your statement :
one can still have options, such as applying GCE A-level by oneself if the school doesn't support
is not correct for science subjects. For lab safety reason, the students takng these subjects need to be endorsed by high school.
作者: edea 時間: 10-6-9 12:48
Jediknight,
Please mind the words that you use and respect other members.
edea
作者: almom 時間: 10-6-9 13:50
原帖由 delusionist 於 10-6-8 15:35 發表
Seems that my guess is correct - you are relying on that infamous GSIS's report (lucky that the majority of the GSIS's parents were not dummies and voted for IB instead).
As your son wants to be a do ...
Very useful information.
Do you have similar information for American or Canadian universities too?
Thanks.
作者: delusionist 時間: 10-6-9 16:47
原帖由 almom 於 10-6-9 13:50 發表
Very useful information.
Do you have similar information for American or Canadian universities too?
Thanks.
Sorry I don't have any similar information for North American Universities. They have a very different system. Students need a Pre-med Degree before they can apply to medical schools.
作者: almom 時間: 10-6-9 19:28
原帖由 delusionist 於 10-6-9 16:47 發表
Sorry I don't have any similar information for North American Universities. They have a very different system. Students need a Pre-med Degree before they can apply to medical schools.
Sorry. I meant, do you have general entry requirements for the universities, not specifically to med school. Thanks.
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