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標題: Do you think only those who have connection can enter famous Int'l school? [打印本頁]

作者: yuenszewing 時間: 10-1-23 13:37 標題: Do you think only those who have connection can enter famous Int'l school?

Many of my friends' children failed to get in reputatable International schools including my daughter, but I can see a lot of artists and the few riches' children can go to GSIS, CIS, HKIS. Does that mean a normal middle class family without any connection or networks, the chance of getting into good Int'l school is almost impossible. Can anyone share your view?

作者: foolish.mom 時間: 10-1-23 18:21

We are only a middle class family without any connections but my kid was admitted to year 7 of CIS.

Yes, a lot of famous and rich people are there.

原帖由 yuenszewing 於 10-1-23 13:37 發表
Many of my friends' children failed to get in reputatable International schools including my daughter, but I can see a lot of artists and the few riches' children can go to GSIS, CIS, HKIS. Does that ...

作者: Ruby1219 時間: 10-1-23 21:19 標題: 回覆 2# yuenszewing 的文章

My son is now in GSIS, he joined in Year 3. We are neither rich, nor having any connection with the school.

Yes, a lot of celebrities' kids studying in GSIS, including Canning Fok, Cheng Dan Sui, Jacky Cheung, Tung Oi Ling, and lately Cheung Ka Fai. But in fact I don't think the school knows these local celebrities at all.

Did your daughter and your friends' kids pass the assessments of these schools ? What's the reason of not getting in ?

作者: yuenszewing 時間: 10-1-23 21:31

None of my friends get in any famous Int'l school. One of my friend's daughter finally went to ESF, while some friend's kids actually are native English speaker and they failed in Cndis & CIS.
My daughter failed in GSIS and passed the assessment in Cndis but only on waiting list. Did your kids attend some specific trainings for the interview? I know those artists have native English tutor. My boss is real rich and has some connections, his daughter went to CIS after several attempts, after that his 2 other kids can easily get into CIS reception class.

I can see a lot of my friend's kids are very smart but they still failed, just wondering? but as you said, may be they have some selection criteria I overlooked.

原帖由 Ruby1219 於 10-1-23 21:19 發表
My son is now in GSIS, he joined in Year 3. We are neither rich, nor having any connection with the school.

Yes, a lot of celebrities' kids studying in GSIS, including Canning Fok, Cheng Dan Sui, Ja ...

作者: daisy17772 時間: 10-1-23 23:47

foolish.mom and Ruby1219:

Would you mind to share with us some tips about getting admitted into these top int'l school, particularly your kids enter these schools in primary years. As I understood from most int'l school, their Principal told me that it will be really difficult for a kid to get admitted as most seats have already been occupied by their own reception/pre-primary class. Furthermore, if kids are come from local school stream, their English proficiency has to be very high so as to 1) pass their entrance test 2) catch up with their students of the same grade.

Were your kids previously from local school before entering? If so, how do you keep up their English proficiency? Were the entrance test/ assessment difficult?

thanks
daisy17772

作者: eaymom 時間: 10-1-24 13:36

No.

原帖由 yuenszewing 於 10-1-23 13:37 發表
Many of my friends' children failed to get in reputatable International schools including my daughter, but I can see a lot of artists and the few riches' children can go to GSIS, CIS, HKIS. Does that ...

作者: nintendo 時間: 10-1-24 14:08

I am not accusing anyone here.
But it is very common for people to think or presume that there are "other reasons" why their kids cannot get into a particular school, but some other kids can.
People refuse to believe that their kids cannot meet their requirements.
I am sure many very smart kids can also fail the admission procedures.
Things like that always happen.

作者: foolish.mom 時間: 10-1-24 22:57

daisy17772,

My kid was in Yew Chung primary. The admission test of Year 7 is really tough, particular those papers for English.

原帖由 daisy17772 於 10-1-23 23:47 發表
foolish.mom and Ruby1219:

Would you mind to share with us some tips about getting admitted into these top int'l school, particularly your kids enter these schools in primary years. As I understood f ...

作者: lottieclee 時間: 10-1-25 09:30

If you look at famous boarding school in England, like Eaton, CLC and Harrods, it is equally tough to get into the school. Their Common Entrance Exam is really really tough. I remember... back many years ago... I had to take 5-6 papers covering English and many other subjects.

At the time, I came from a really "famous" local girls school.. and found it extremely tough. I guess "famous" international school in HK is looking for elite students like any other academicly strong schools around the world.

But one thing is very true.... the sooner you get the child into the school the better, for many reasons.

I want my son to go to GSIS too... but decided to defer entry till Year 1 because it is just too far for us to travel to school everyday.

作者: Ramama 時間: 10-1-25 18:32

Agree. Somehow the performance of the kid must be seen from an objective point of view and think from the position of the school, rather than how parents perceive their own child. It is reasonable to assume that the school would welcome someone who is smart and friendly, rather than just smart?

The competition is very keen for IS nowadays and what parents can hope is 天時地利人和, all happen at the right place and at the right time.

原帖由 nintendo 於 10-1-24 14:08 發表
I am not accusing anyone here.
But it is very common for people to think or presume that there are "other reasons" why their kids cannot get into a particular school, but some other kids can.
People r ...

作者: InitialD 時間: 10-1-25 20:59

There are always some kids can get to the school by connection but this is always the minority. If you kid is smart and outstanding, you kid still stand at a good chance. eg. Li Ka Shing grand daughter can get to CIS without any problem.
Uncle 4 has donate a colleg in Cambridge Univerity. If you got his recommendation, you are sure WIN.

原帖由 Ramama 於 10-1-25 18:32 發表
Agree. Somehow the performance of the kid must be seen from an objective point of view and think from the position of the school, rather than how parents perceive their own child. It is reasonable to ...

作者: Pianokc 時間: 10-1-25 22:15

I agree this is true for some families.... rich, and famous, and get kid into famous school. But there are those families that have NO connections, not rich, simply the child is well rounded and smart and performed well during assessment, hence accepted.

Statistics wise, maybe it seems that way because.... it could be an effect rather than a cause. Rich families tend to... be able to afford to provide the better teachers, better lessons, more activities, better quality of life, and clothes, and food, more preparation in materials, courses, and mother might not have to work, have more time to prepare kids...etc... I am not saying this is THE cause, but it's possibly a reason.

Then again, I have seen MANY families, not rich, mother and father both working parents, kid is independent, no luxuries, and hence the child wants to really really do well, works very hard, and becomes a successful person because he wants the best, and he know working hard is the only way.

Rich parents and well connected families might have advantage in buying debentures easier than others too.....

I think this is NOT a specific scenario at all.

Rich people get into famous good school. Not Rich people also get into famous and good school.

Rich people FAIL to get into famous good school. Not Rich people also fail to get into famous and good school.

作者: lottieclee 時間: 10-1-25 22:34

Somehow, from a financial point of view, I don't blame the school for allowing donors to send their families to the school. Otherwise, where does the resource and nice buildings come from? And I agree that this is only a minority.

作者: InitialD 時間: 10-1-26 09:39

Agreed. They are only monority.

原帖由 lottieclee 於 10-1-25 22:34 發表
Somehow, from a financial point of view, I don't blame the school for allowing donors to send their families to the school. Otherwise, where does the resource and nice buildings come from? And I agre ...

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作者: nintendo 時間: 10-1-26 13:58

原帖由 InitialD 於 10-1-25 20:59 發表
There are always some kids can get to the school by connection but this is always the minority.

Exactly what I wanted to say.
How many students are there in a school?
How many do you think get in by connections, donations, etc? 10%? 20%? 30%?
Even if the proportion is as huge as 50%. Now what about THE REST?
What aren't YOUR child one of the rest of those that NEVER donated a single cent?
If you child did not get an offer, may be he really did not meet the requirements or standard. Or, if it makes you feel better, may be he was just unlucky.

作者: daisy17772 時間: 10-1-26 17:20

If children are unlucky and hence have not been admitted, on the same token, those who admitted may simply have better luck.  So don't put this on your mind, some ppl had won at the beginning but failed to have the persistence to sustain, some ppl hadn't have a better chance or performed well at the beginning, but they worked hard later on, they have equally good life and education thereafter.

Those children got admitted to the very famous and top int'l or local schools, no doubt that most of them would be labeled "smart" and "well rounded".  But I knew in fact yes some are admitted by connections.  And I know a few who got admitted in fact had connections but they didn't tell others (it's absolutely normal that they don't want others to know about this).

Don't you see ppl around us who had not have entered into the top schools, but then they worked and had the opportunities to develop their potential at a later age, they successfully switched to a very good high school, and entered into a top uni. Then they further succeed in their career.

Have you heard of statistics about genius.  Average students who continue to work hard and practise, statistically speaking, most of them often performed better than genius.

Going back to the topic, only those who have connections can enter famous int'l school?  Absolutely no, because all schools want to have a well balance of bright students, and also ome students with strong background, same for int'l or local schools.  So always give yourself a chance, you will never know.

If your child got into top schools, you must have felt very good about it, those who couldn't feel not good.  But this is just a feeling.  Don't forget it's still a long way to go.  There're so many old tales telling us life is a long way to go, don't give upor over-joy in the feeling of succeeding.

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作者: edexp 時間: 10-1-26 18:13

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作者: daisy17772 時間: 10-1-26 18:34

原帖由 edexp 於 10-1-26 18:13 發表
香港最好那幾間國際學校是不講關係的，不像本地名校般有一定比例學生靠關係入學。當然亦有極少數例外情況，例如給予 major donor 之子女(例子極少)、外國教職員之子女。

反而，即使是舊生子女、或有sibling就讀，也不會有優 ...

Whether ppl with strong background or connections have better chance...it's always a long debate.

Only the Principal or may be their staff know this themselves. But the fact is the ppl I know they do.

作者: edexp 時間: 10-1-26 20:36

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作者: daisy17772 時間: 10-1-26 21:22

原帖由 edexp 於 10-1-26 20:36 發表
對那些top 國際學校有認識嘅人，從來沒有long debate, 因為知道不是事實, 純粹是那些入不到嘅家長一相情願，不肯面對現實，自我安慰的想法，認為自己小朋友入不到是因為沒有strong background or connections 而不是 assessm ...

Exactly what you said, 信不信由得你.

There's always something happened in the society that one wants to believe in and something that one choose not to believe in for the sake of their interest.

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作者: edexp 時間: 10-1-26 22:02

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作者: daisy17772 時間: 10-1-26 22:27

原帖由 edexp 於 10-1-26 22:02 發表
我並沒有任何 interest, 只是知道事實(指那些top IS)。我知道不少名人如何努力也入不到，有些試完又試，三、四次才考得上，同樣我隨時可話你知我識嘅成班在top IS嘅學生(超過幾十人)，全部(或絕大部份)只是一般中產或以上，絕非 famous or with strong background，這些都是事實。

你話自己知道啲所謂嘅 fact, 除非是你自己靠走後門，難度是那些靠走後門嘅家長話你知佢地靠走後門?或是那些校長、老師們話你知佢地賣人情?

唔好嗡得出就嗡，不要胡亂指控別人/學校走後門/賣人情。

Hey stay calm, you need not be this reactive if you're genuinely sharing what you know about. This is a place for public discussion with lots of so called rumours, facts, truth, etc. It's useless to prove if one's 嗡得出就嗡 or they know the truth and know a whole lot of ppl in IS to prove this is fake, blah blah blah. I won't ask someone to prove what they said in a public forum. You believe in it, then you take it, you don't believe in it, just leave it behind. Furthermore, you should read carefully what I shared about, I was not talking about the general phenomena.

Take it easy.

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作者: InitialD 時間: 10-1-26 22:56

Lets define which is top tier school first before quoting example.

原帖由 daisy17772 於 10-1-26 22:27 發表

Hey stay calm, you need not be this reactive if you're genuinely sharing what you know about. This is a place for public discussion with lots of so called rumours, facts, truth, etc. It's useles ...

作者: ACDW23 時間: 10-1-26 23:15

what are the qualities of the children that top ISs are looking for during the assessment especially for young children of 2-3, 3-4 years old? can any successful parents share?

作者: edexp 時間: 10-1-27 10:43

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作者: daisy17772 時間: 10-1-27 13:35

原帖由 edexp 於 10-1-27 10:43 發表
你才需要 stay calm, 比我質疑兩句就陣腳大亂，前言不對後語，自相矛盾。

//就是因為"This is a place for public discussion" ，當見到一些人亂咁散播謠言，胡亂指控，不論那些人是另有目的或只是愚眛無知，有識之士定當挺身而出，以正視聽。 ...

當見到一些人亂咁散播謠言，胡亂指控，不論那些人是另有目的或只是愚眛無知，有識之士定當挺身而出，以正視聽。

首先，若你真的認同討論之要點不是general phenomena，跟本就無需試圖反駁我。...若不認為是general phenomena, 亦跟本就沒有討論價值，...

Interesting to see that you take this so personal. If you think mine has no 討論價值, why do you continue to response then. <有識之士定當挺身而出，以正視聽> really?!!

I won't go further here, there's no value to continue non-constructive talk.

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作者: oooray 時間: 10-1-27 14:07

好似係度拗緊有冇鬼魂存在咁。呢味野信則有不信則無。
edexp說未見過；daisy又話好猛；
edexp叫daisy攞證據出黎；證明鬼魂o既存在...
當然冇人攞倒隻鬼出黎做證，咁edexp又要變成<有識之士>，<挺身而出，以正視聽>；
但係edexp未見過鬼也拿不出鬼魂不存在o既證據...
點收科?

作者: daisy17772 時間: 10-1-27 14:12

原帖由 oooray 於 10-1-27 14:07 發表
好似係度拗緊有冇鬼魂存在咁。呢味野信則有不信則無。
edexp說未見過；daisy又話好猛；
edexp叫daisy攞證據出黎；證明鬼魂o既存在...
當然冇人攞倒隻鬼出黎做證，咁edexp又要變成，；
但係edexp未見過鬼也拿不出鬼魂不存在o既證 ...

就像信不信由你 law !

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作者: yuenszewing 時間: 10-1-31 21:58

Sorry. I am the one who initiate this topic and unfortunately it creates a long debate.

Actually I would like to know if it is a fair game and is there any special training or techniques that we can increase the chance of admission?

E.g. there are some trainings for interview, is it worth to attend? Those successful families, how you train your kids to increase the chance? Do you prepare some mock up assessment or interviews at home? Any particular practice or training to increase the success rate.

I am not trying to find some excuses for the unsuccessful interview of my daughter. On the contrary, I would like to understand more on how to succeed.

Appreciate any parents whose kids are currently studying in those good Int'l schools can share.

作者: Pianokc 時間: 10-2-1 02:39

Contrary to what you think.....to be successful in getting accepted by good IS schools .....I have learned (this is my opinion).... it has to do with the personality and attitude and mentality of the child, as oppose to the "academic" training most "local" parents think is the key to success.

After my kids have switched from local school, to now IS... I am NOW also learning how to be a supportive IS parent.

It's very hard to explain. The whole concept of education in IS school is different from local system.

One easy to understand example, and this has taken more than 2 years for me to understand and accept and now I finally took the step.

My daughter started Kumon at first, and then after 8 months, I quit her Kumon, and switched to Enopi and it's been over 2 years at Enopi.

It has NOT helped much, in fact, it's kept my daughter fixed in a "frame". She can't get out of the "fixed frame" when doing math.

And her teacher at her present IS is DEAD on about her weakness in just teaching her one term. I have to QUIT her Enopi now.
Instead, the way to help my daughter is to play more board games, to play more dice games, to play more snakes and ladders to she can learn to bond two numbers quickly. I am advised to "cook" with my 3 year old.... to ask him to measure spoons of sugar, or flour, to mix in certain direction, to make shapes of cookies..... etc.

I can't explain further, but I get it. Hope this example gives you an idea what I am getting at.

I am trying VERY hard to undo the "frame of mind" and methods that have been planted in my kids' minds, and my own. It takes time, but it's starting to work.

This is the most exciting, and happy times in my household. My kids learned ALOT more than before, and they keep saying they LOVE school.

Each day they come home, they want to show us what they learned, and they will talk about things from nature, to weather, to manners, to numbers, to spelling games, to reading maps, to learning shapes and what you can do with them, and where you can find them in daily life....

It's great.

So, don't focus your child on academics like sit down exercises and memorizing how to speak and answer.... it's all about being a "well rounded" person, knowledge, thinking, curiosity, imagination, creativity, and being observing what's around us.....

It's alot more work, and alot more time is required than dictation, drilling spelling, and doing math exercises.....

Just my two cents.

BUT schools like GSIS..... once you get to the grades beyond Kindergarten, you DO need to traing your child academics as well, like reading, writing stories, math...... AS well as what I mentioned above.

Successful IS applicants also tend to be quite verbal, and assertive, and not shy. Just my observations.

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作者: daisy17772 時間: 10-2-1 17:30

原帖由 Pianokc 於 10-2-1 02:39 發表
And her teacher at her present IS is DEAD on about her weakness in just teaching her one term. I have to QUIT her Enopi now.
Instead, the way to help my daughter is to play more board games, to play more dice games, to play more snakes and ladders to she can learn to bond two numbers quickly. I am advised to "cook" with my 3 year old.... to ask him to measure spoons of sugar, or flour, to mix in certain direction, to make shapes of cookies..... etc. ...

Me too, I trained my little girl math with board games, although she's okay with the calculating formula math. What kind of board games and dice games?

thanks

作者: erichkl 時間: 10-2-1 17:50 標題: 回覆 2# yuenszewing 的文章

My daughter just got offer of Y1 from RCHK.  She's my first daughter.  Both my wife and me almost know nothing about any prepration required for primary school interview.  We didn't arrange any interview class for her.  Of course, we don't have any "connection" with RCHK at all, too.

What we knew from notes written by the teacher in her kindergarten's handbook was that there were 2 rounds of games after I've applied RCHK.  The first round was called "screening".  Someone from RCHK paid a visit to the kindergarten to do some "observation" on those kids who applied for RCHK.  They would tell you the date of their screening before it happened.  The 2nd round was the formal interview taken place in RCHK.  On the interview day, she was grouped with other kids arranged in the same timeslot (30 mins) and sent to some classroom.  The group size was around 6 ~ 8, I didn't remember clearly.  We (parents) were sent to another classroom to attend a short briefing by the principal.  Don't worry, the principal didn't challenge or test you anything.  He'd just arranged a simple presentation to you, and there was an Q&A section after all.  But, the 30-minute duration was not enough for sure.  The parents of the next timeslot were already waiting outside when the principal just started the Q&A section.

In both 'screening' and 'interview' rounds, we didn't know what happened to our daughter.  We didn't make any preparation for that.  But, the most important thing I guess is "don't make your kid cry" in the morning of those 2 important days, no matter how naughty she/he is.  Her emotion could turn success into failure.

After 4 years of bringing our daughter up, our experience told us that she succeeded not because of any extra-curriculum courses (we didn't arrange closely packed course schedule to her).  The most important thing is to arrange her in an international kindergarten (over 90% of time is English-speaking environment).  Read English story books to her at home, and let her watch English DVDs (I mean those DVDs for education purpose.  The well-known one produced from Dixxxx World of Engxxx).  I think this is good for her as we're not English native speakers.  Start this practice since her birth.  I don't know this is the best way, but I think this is one of the useful ways.  We did send her to some tuition classes, like drawing, piano, ballet and even Chinese classes.  We tried different classes for her just aiming to find out her interest and strengths.

In the RCHK briefing seminar for those parents who applied for RCHK, they always emphasized NOT to arrange any "interview courses" to the children because it's useless to the interview.  They'd pay attention to observe the English competence of the children through different games and interaction activities throughout the interview.  They would request the children to draw sth and ask some questions about what they drew.  The important thing is not what they drew, but whether the children could make conversation with the teachers during the interview.

No need to prepare thick profile for the application.  I didn't.  I did the app. online, and just filled the necessary contact information.  There are some questions in the online app. form asking you how would you do to help bringing up the children, and whether you would like to participate the activities organised by the school.  I just wrote less than 100 words overall.

Hope my experience is useful to you and others who plan to apply for IS for their children.

作者: BookloverJ 時間: 10-2-1 17:52

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作者: daisy17772 時間: 10-2-1 19:24

原帖由 BookloverJ 於 10-2-1 17:52 發表

You won't be surprised why he behaves like that if you know actually who he is:-

edexp = wisekid2007

wisekid2007, I barely remembered "he/she" is an IS parent??

作者: edexp 時間: 10-2-2 10:42

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作者: edexp 時間: 10-2-2 10:49

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作者: edexp 時間: 10-2-2 11:12

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作者: oooray 時間: 10-2-2 11:31

原帖由 edexp 於 10-2-2 10:49 發表
如果你留意我嘅發言，我的意思不是冇鬼魂存在，而只是極之極之例外嘅情況，才會見到鬼呀，而某某則講到好普遍，係 general phenomena，我先至叫某某攞證據出黎睇睇。如果真的咁普遍，應該我同你隨時都見到鬼啦

...

你沒有陰陽眼也不能排除其他人有。
我只係八卦搭訕；非常好奇呢味野都可以花咁長編大論去辯論；證明閣下能耐與眾不同。

作者: oooray 時間: 10-2-2 11:36

原帖由 edexp 於 10-2-2 11:12 發表
你都唔係新嚟啦，wisekid2007係 BK 早就 infamous 啦，連個 account 及其化身個 accounts 都 band 埋啦

wisekid2007絕對係BK殿堂級人物；說他infamous實在對他不敬啊!
BK Hall of Fame絕對係三甲人選!

作者: iamfine 時間: 10-2-2 11:56

原帖由 edexp 於 10-2-2 11:12 發表
你都唔係新嚟啦，wisekid2007係 BK 早就 infamous 啦，連個 account 及其化身個 accounts 都 band 埋啦

Interesting. Which aliases of him were banned? I'm asking because you sound so much better informed.

作者: BookloverJ 時間: 10-2-2 12:32

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作者: daisy17772 時間: 10-2-2 13:57

原帖由 BookloverJ 於 10-2-2 12:32 發表

I recall his aliases have been identified by another BK member in the thread "Totally disappointed with Kingston". Read what Wingba said in 25#in the thread.

Oh, alias has been changed, but his attitude is the same.

作者: daisy17772 時間: 10-2-2 15:08

Of course nobody would want to raise any evidence as seemingly someone just want to piss off other's opinions without evidence either. Wonder how come he always spent so much time in replying in this forum, he doesn't need to work?!

歡迎光臨教育王國 (/)