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作者: Pianokc 時間: 09-12-1 22:27 標題: Would you keep your son back one year to go to CIS?

My son is happy at KCIS, and so am I.
However, CIS's reception application process and interviews are going on. We are going next week, but I am really hesitant about making all the arrangements to go to the interview with my son.

Because I know if CIS DOES offer, my son has to repeat Reception year because he's a "small" boy born in November.

Would you do it just to get into CIS?

I can't make up my mind.

作者: eaymom 時間: 09-12-1 22:46

If he's happy at KCIS, what is the reason for switching? For the reputation of CIS?

原帖由 Pianokc 於 09-12-1 22:27 發表
My son is happy at KCIS, and so am I.
However, CIS's reception application process and interviews are going on. We are going next week, but I am really hesitant about making all the arrangements to go ...

作者: OKPLEASE 時間: 09-12-2 08:29

To me, my girl was small 2004 Dec girl. I have thought about similar situation years ago. I also liked CIS but because the cutoff period is 30 June 2009, if I want my girl to study there, she has to repeat. I don't think that is good. So we eventualy not even apply. She is now with another relatively good IS with a balance of Mandarin and English, though its reputation is not as brilliant as CIS. I will consider to apply CIS when she turns to secondary school.

So the critical question, how do you compare KCIS and CIS. Just my personal opinion, the status of CIS is far more prestigious (in term of track records of academic results and other awards) than KCIS. I heard that when children at upper secondary stage, some famous universities will come and pick good students. It is a real and famous international school in Hong Kong.

If I am you, I will definitely try the best efforts and see the results first.

原帖由 Pianokc 於 09-12-1 22:27 發表
My son is happy at KCIS, and so am I.
However, CIS's reception application process and interviews are going on. We are going next week, but I am really hesitant about making all the arrangements to go ...

作者: oooray 時間: 09-12-2 10:27

原帖由 Pianokc 於 09-12-1 22:27 發表
My son is happy at KCIS, and so am I.
However, CIS's reception application process and interviews are going on. We are going next week, but I am really hesitant about making all the arrangements to go ...

As an on-looker, it is a very simple decision. If YOU like CIS more than KCIS, Go. If not, STAY.
Children know nothing reason behind the change. If he is happy in KCIS, he can be happy in CIS.

作者: Yau_Cheung 時間: 09-12-2 10:31

hi Pianokc,

好高興又遇到你！建議你先讓兒子參與CIS面試，籍此期間再好好比較兩所學校，看看那裏更適合兒子各方面的發展，再作決定。

如果你兒子現時學術方面完全無問題，甚至覺得太簡單，重讀未必係好的選擇。

你女兒有沒有申請CIS？

如果你的小朋友真係要離開 KCIS，我會唔捨得你吔！

原帖由 Pianokc 於 09-12-1 22:27 發表
My son is happy at KCIS, and so am I.
However, CIS's reception application process and interviews are going on. We are going next week, but I am really hesitant about making all the arrangements to go ...

[ 本帖最後由 Yau_Cheung 於 09-12-2 10:32 編輯 ]

作者: steamball 時間: 09-12-2 10:50

me too, because of this reason, so no CIS right now

作者: Pianokc 時間: 09-12-2 12:44

I want to consider CIS because a number of reasons:

1) Reception year is the best chance I have got to get my son in there. My daughter has been on waiting list for primary for 2 years, and yet, not even have a chance to interview because there are so little spaces once you get into Primary, unless someone leaves the school, and then one or two spaces, the corporate packages get these seats with priority, or those with siblings.

2) I like CIS' reputation, the name and fame, the facilities especially, KCIS is good school, but doesn't have the facilities that I really wish my kids can enjoy. But on the other hand, I really have to watch how the "atmosphere" of the rich and famous.... will affect my kids, don't want my kids spoiled, and always talking about "money" oriented things, or showing off.
But that's something I know I can and will try to teach and guide through my family's morals and values.

3) My son is small son, doing well, but of course, has a siginificant disadvantage compare to those kids in his class that are almost older by 1 year. Physically, emotionally, and motor skills.... reading, writing.... everything, if he goes to CIS and is repeating Reception.... I am asking myself, is it going to be a "waste" of a year?

Will probably go ahead with the whole process since we are given the chance and opportunity already, if we are fortunate enough to get offered, then I will think about it I guess. For now, just try right? Doesn't hurt.

Yau Cheung- thanks for your kind words. Will keep in touch. My daughter is still in KCIS, and will have to see how my son perform at the interview, and how my husband and I do during the parents' interview !

Wish me luck!

作者: steamball 時間: 09-12-2 14:55

CIS is a great school, but i don't want to let my daughter waste one year for this reason. this period you can see the big difference of a big boy and a small boy, but for primary kids, not big difference.

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作者: Avatar 時間: 09-12-2 15:31

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作者: Ann0805 時間: 09-12-2 18:48

Agree totally with Avatar. My son is an April boy, so I don't have this consideration.

Honestly though, if my son is a "small boy" (say, like born in Nov - Dec), regardless of the school I'll pick (be it CIS, KCIS or whatever school it may be), I'll definitely let him start schooling a year later. Note here I'm not talking about deferring for a good school, but to start nursery a year later. 10 - 11 months of age difference may not matter for adults. But for babies, it does matter, not only on fronts like self-confidence, cognitive developments, etc. that Avatar mentioned, but also it impacts upon the opportunities available to your kid. Read Malcolm Gladwell's book "Outliers" and you will understand what I'm trying to say.

原帖由 Avatar 於 09-12-2 15:31 發表
多讀一年而能由細仔變大仔是不會"浪費"的，好處多得很，例如能建立自信、鞏固學習基礎等，那些有親身經驗的父母便能領略到其長遠的益處。更何況若是能由 KCIS 轉到 CIS, 跟本完全無需考慮。

又何需急於讓孩子提早畢業呢?
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作者: Pianokc 時間: 09-12-3 02:14

Thanks everyone for your opinions.

Just curious, what is "wrong" with KCIS in most parents' minds? Why is it NOT comparable to other IS with reputations such as CIS and HKIS ...etc.

(Except for facilities.... I like to know what is the overall impression of KCIS in others)

Thanks.

作者: Ann0805 時間: 09-12-3 10:05

I think there is nothing wrong with KCIS. Just that you wish to compare KCIS and CIS, then, CIS is definitely a more favourable choice in terms of academic standard, English training and everything.

In overall, I understand that the English training in KCIS is comparatively weaker than IS like CIS, GSIS or even ESF.

原帖由 Pianokc 於 09-12-3 02:14 發表
Thanks everyone for your opinions.

Just curious, what is "wrong" with KCIS in most parents' minds? Why is it NOT comparable to other IS with reputations such as CIS and HKIS ...etc.

(Except for fac ...

作者: Ruby1219 時間: 09-12-3 13:30 標題: 回覆 10# Ann0805 的文章

I also agree with Avatar. I also think repeating one year does not necessarily mean 'wasting' one year, especially if CIS's standard is higher then KCIS (I know nothing about these 2 school, just hearsay).
I switched my son from one IS to another when he was in Year 3. There was nothing wrong with the previous IS, my son was happy and we were happy. We had to switch school for him just becos we had to move from N.T. to Island side.
Fortunately, my son got accepted by a renowned good IS in Island side. Now he has been studying in this new IS for almost 2 years. He's very happy and he loves this school more than the previous one. So do us. We can tell there's a difference between the 2 schools. The current one is better although the previous one is not bad too.
Me and my husband are very glad that we made the decision for this change.
My son thank me for it.

So, don't give up without even trying, if you think CIS is a good choice!

Ruby

作者: Yau_Cheung 時間: 09-12-3 14:07

CIS 是成立較早及有多屆畢業生記錄，但可否說明 "Compare KCIS and CIS, CIS is definitely a more favourable choice in terms of academic standard, English training and everything" 及 "KCIS is comparatively weaker than CIS, GSIS or ESF" 的具體例子？

原帖由 Ann0805 於 09-12-3 10:05 發表
I think there is nothing wrong with KCIS. Just that you wish to compare KCIS and CIS, then, CIS is definitely a more favourable choice in terms of academic standard, English training and everything. ...

作者: Yau_Cheung 時間: 09-12-3 14:14

衷心希望各位家長在bk的意見為客觀事實而非以訛傳訛。

作者: Avatar 時間: 09-12-3 14:20

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作者: InitialD 時間: 09-12-3 14:47

Back to the orginal topic..
It depends if you have concern on delay for one year. If you are not, I strongly recommended you to delay for one year. Therewill have less pressure on you child and yourselves for the coming 6-9 years before your child can catch up with others. Even for a smart one, the IQ is OK but the EQ is still one year behind others. i.e. emotion control, finish the project/homework by him/herself, concentrate in the classroom, leadership in the classroom ...etc.

原帖由 Avatar 於 09-12-3 14:20 發表
可將KCIS公報的GCSE成績與其他國際學校比較作為參考。將來怎樣無人能說，但目前以有的客觀數據 (註:只代表中學成績) 的確如是，而並非以訛傳訛。

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作者: Yau_Cheung 時間: 09-12-3 14:56

我給你的 post 只是問題, 請勿對號入座。

KCIS 有多少屆成積？其他學校又有多少屆成積？用KCIS 1or 2屆成積去比較是否洽當？其他學校成立初期第1 or 2屆成積又怎樣？個別學校成積每屆亦有高低，可否因為1 or 2屆稍差就 comment 為 "comparatively weaker than other IS" & "less favourable choice in terms of academic standard, English training and EVERYTHING" ?

原帖由 Avatar 於 09-12-3 14:20 發表
可將KCIS公報的GCSE成績與其他國際學校比較作為參考。將來怎樣無人能說，但目前以有的客觀數據 (註:只代表中學成績) 的確如是，而並非以訛傳訛。

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作者: Yau_Cheung 時間: 09-12-3 15:02

完全同意。其實重點可能係再讀一年reception 對小朋友的影响 (好處多於壞處 / 壞處多於好處??)。

原帖由 InitialD 於 09-12-3 14:47 發表
Back to the orginal topic..
It depends if you have concern on delay for one year. If you are not, I strongly recommended you to delay for one year. Therewill have less pressure on you child and yourse ...

作者: Avatar 時間: 09-12-3 15:41

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作者: Ann0805 時間: 09-12-3 15:53

OOps.  Perhaps it was my general comments earlier that have triggered off some further disucssion.

I think the track record of CIS is beyond doubt.  As for KCIS, it is also fair to say that there is only a brief history for graduates of this school and thus the results may not provide a clear indicator.  If as a parent, I'm required to make a choice at this time point given all the above, I think the choice should be very obvious.

Certainly, others may have different views, and may look at the situation differently.  Parents should be in the best position to decide on the choice for their own kids.  I don't think we have to argue here whether anyone is right or wrong.  Everyone is just sharing our personal comments here.  One may choose to agree and disagree, exercising one's own judgment.

原帖由 Yau_Cheung 於 09-12-3 14:07 發表
CIS 是成立較早及有多屆畢業生記錄，但可否說明 "Compare KCIS and CIS, CIS is definitely a more favourable choice in terms of academic standard, English training and everything" 及 "KCIS is comparatively w ...

作者: Ann0805 時間: 09-12-3 15:57

To Pianokc - More fundamentally, it seems to me that you have more problem/hesitation towards the thought of letting your daughter repeat her reception year. On this point, I would really really suggest you read Malcolm Gladwell's "Outliers", which may give you another perspective to look at this problem.

作者: InitialD 時間: 09-12-3 17:32

Interested to know where to find this article.

原帖由 Ann0805 於 09-12-3 15:57 發表
To Pianokc - More fundamentally, it seems to me that you have more problem/hesitation towards the thought of letting your daughter repeat her reception year. On this point, I would really really sugg ...

作者: bakusensei 時間: 09-12-3 17:52

原帖由 InitialD 於 09-12-3 17:32 發表
Interested to know where to find this article.

It's a book :)
http://www.gladwell.com/outliers/index.html

作者: Ramama 時間: 09-12-3 18:24

With all due respect I cannot agree with Pianokc's description of CIS is filling up with the "atmosphere" of the rich and famous, as probably he/she is not speaking from his/her own experience.

My son entered into reception year in August and he is very happy in CIS. I meet my co-parents constantly and I really don't have the feeling that they are very rich (in an objective point of view) or even if they are rich they don't show off. In general CIS parents are low profile people who care about the well-being and education of their children.

The issue of "atmosphere of rich & famous" happens everywhere when you have a group of students in the class, some more well-off and some don't. The comparison is there, and it sounds naive to think that only exists in certain schools.

原帖由 Pianokc 於 09-12-2 12:44 發表
I want to consider CIS because a number of reasons:

2) I like CIS' reputation, the name and fame, the facilities especially, KCIS is good school, but doesn't have the facilities that I really wish my kids can enjoy. But on the other hand, I really have to watch how the "atmosphere" of the rich and famous.... will affect my kids, don't want my kids spoiled, and always talking about "money" oriented things, or showing off.
But that's something I know I can and will try to teach and guide through my family's morals and values.

作者: Pianokc 時間: 09-12-3 19:40

Ramama,

I teach many students in CIS piano, and I have many friends who have kids in CIS, I trust my opinion and knowledge of CIS is pretty informed.

But, I do agree, this doesn't occur ONLY in CIS, but I do hear more about CIS with this problem more than other IS. Let's face it, CIS is one of the most expensive IS in HK....not everyone can afford going there.

My reception and P1 kids are not like that.... when you start getting to the higher grades, you see more of this effect. This is not my main concern, I believe I can guide my children and teach them about this behaviour and attitude.

Thanks everyone for all advice and opinion.

I have decided to go through with the assessment and interview and see what happens.

作者: steamball 時間: 09-12-3 20:01

yes, i think go ahead and see what happened first is the best

作者: nintendo 時間: 09-12-3 21:35

原帖由 Pianokc 於 09-12-3 19:40 發表
Ramama,

I teach many students in CIS piano, and I have many friends who have kids in CIS, I trust my opinion and knowledge of CIS is pretty informed.

But, I do agree, this doesn't occur ONLY in CIS ...

There are always all sorts of "problems" in other people's school. I wonder why you seem to believe that you are so qualified in making such comments.

Oh, yeah. You always claimed to have "many students" from the school that you comment on, and have many friends in that school.

If you are not lying, you are a piano teacher. I wonder how can one piano teacher have many students from so many schools at the same time. And that "many students" are from CWB, SJ, RC, CIS, etc. and so on. This is amazing isn't it. Either you are a very good teacher that attracts students to travel all the way from the Island or from the NT. Or you are a lousy teacher and students keep leaving.

Oh, of course, you are a very experienced teacher. You have taught piano for many years. So you have had so many students. Blah blah blah....

I still remember my piano teacher. I had her taught me for 7 years. Sounds like you have more students in one year than she had in 10 years.

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作者: Pianokc 時間: 09-12-3 23:26

Nintendo, I don't think I have to justify or explain anything about my career or experience, or my network.

I do have a lot of students, and friends, and family, and huge network, hence I have alot of information, connections, and sources of information.

If you can't seem to believe there is such possibility, then you need to get out there and meet more people.

I am not trying to start a personal attack here, but your post is not only not constructive, it's utterly offensive.

原帖由 nintendo 於 09-12-3 21:35 發表

There are always all sorts of "problems" in other people's school. I wonder why you seem to believe that you are so qualified in making such comments.

Oh, yeah. You always claimed to have "many s ...

作者: iamfine 時間: 09-12-3 23:36

If you are not lying, you are a piano teacher. I wonder how can one piano teacher have many students from so many schools at the same time. And that "many students" are from CWB, SJ, RC, CIS, etc. and so on. This is amazing isn't it. Either you are a very good teacher that attracts students to travel all the way from the Island or from the NT. Or you are a lousy teacher and students keep leaving.

Oh, of course, you are a very experienced teacher. You have taught piano for many years. So you have had so many students. Blah blah blah....

Aaarrrroooooohhh Urgggggg. By the way, what qualifies you to make all sorts of comments on other people's schools. In case you can't recall what you have said (I know it's easy to forget - it's just too easy to blah, blah blah...), take a good look of your own profile. I did that just now. Impressive, isn't it? Three cheers to you. We need people like you at a time when the birth rate is so low. Assuming that you are not the like of what you said pianokc is and are indeed better qualfied to speak freely of other people's schools, You must have enough kids to fill the vacancies at RC, ESF, YC, ISF and other schools to earn yourself the privilege to call yourself an IS guru. WOW, what an achievement. I can bearly handle 2 kids. Or, if you are just enjoying yourself and having fun not caring about the truth of what you say, then ...
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作者: Pianokc 時間: 09-12-3 23:38

BTW Nintendo,

You would be amazed HOW many parents of a certain school are unaware of what their child's school is like, what is going on, what they are learning..... many parents don't have the time to look into these things. They just send their kids to a school where the reputation is good, and the kid is going and coming everyday, gets the assessment report.... it's the helpers that most likely know more about the school than the parents.

I am not saying ALL parents are like this, but many are like that.

My point is, my student's parents ALWAYS sit in my piano lesson, and these are the parents who stay close to what their child is doing, and I give time for the parents to call me, to email me, to chat with me, I always ask what is happening in the student's school, because I teach all my students in a holistic approach, every aspect in their life affects them. School, family problems, health, friends.... hence, I am aware of many aspects about the schools.

my students come from all over, yes, they do, From Ma On Shan, to Repulse Bay, Sai Kung to Yuen Long.... and they change schools, and the parents are teachers of many reputational schools.... so why is it so surprising that I have these students who say and feel this way?

I believe CIS is a very good school, otherwise, I wouldn't be trying to get my son in. But the fact that students from CIS often compare how wealthy and what address, and how many helpers and driver you have, and what model of mobile phone you have, and where did you go for vacation .... it's one area that concerns me. But this doesn't make CIS a "problematic" school.... and why I don't have a right to say this?

Every one is entitled to have their own opinion about each school.....

作者: Pianokc 時間: 09-12-3 23:40

Ok, here comes Iamfine again....the "educational experts family" if I recall correctly.

I give up. Thanks for killing this thread.

I got my answers. No more input from me.

作者: iamfine 時間: 09-12-3 23:45

Fine. Me too will stop further damage to this thread.

BTW, in case there is any misunderstanding, I was responding to Nintendo.

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作者: Pianokc 時間: 09-12-3 23:55

Iamfine, sorry, thought you were "attacking" me.

Anyhow, don't like this kind of firing back and forth in forums.

End of input.

作者: iamfine 時間: 09-12-4 00:00

原帖由 Pianokc 於 09-12-3 23:55 發表
Iamfine, sorry, thought you were "attacking" me.

Anyhow, don't like this kind of firing back and forth in forums.

End of input.

No need to apologise. I can't understand your frustration. Good night.

作者: iamfine 時間: 09-12-4 00:01

Meant to say "I CAN understand your frustration". Time to go to bed.

作者: nintendo 時間: 09-12-4 02:35

原帖由 iamfine 於 09-12-3 23:36 發表

Aaarrrroooooohhh Urgggggg. By the way, what qualifies you to make all sorts of comments on other people's schools. In case you can't recall what you have said (I know it's easy to forget - it's ju ...

You are welcome to challenge what comments I made.

But have I claimed to have "students" or connections with ALL those schools, just to support what I said is correct?

You do not seem to see the logic. Can a piano teacher have MANY students (as she claimed) from CWB, SJ, RC, CIS, (and the list would go on and on as long as she is interested in commenting negatively about a school).

作者: nintendo 時間: 09-12-4 02:36

原帖由 Pianokc 於 09-12-3 23:55 發表
Iamfine, sorry, thought you were "attacking" me.

Anyhow, don't like this kind of firing back and forth in forums.

End of input.

You have MANY students from so MANY international schools.

Wow, you really need to have some rest after a long day.

作者: nintendo 時間: 09-12-4 02:42

原帖由 Pianokc 於 09-12-3 23:38 發表
my students come from all over, yes, they do, From Ma On Shan, to Repulse Bay, Sai Kung to Yuen Long.... and they change schools, and the parents are teachers of many reputational schools.... so why is it so surprising that I have these students who say and feel this way?

Wow. Something new now. Even parents are teachers so that's where you got the information! Brilliant. You are the winner. I am leaving this topic.

作者: Pianokc 時間: 09-12-4 10:07

ooohhh, you tempt me.....

Nintendo, I only commented a FEW schools, not MANY.

I don't understand why you are attacking me, but it seems like YOU are the one who comments more on IS..... so it's ok for you, but it's not ok for others?

I don't understand you, so it's better to be like you, comment other schools, but your kid isn't going there, and you don't explain where the source of info is coming from ?

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作者: steamball 時間: 09-12-4 23:49

honestly,if she is in SaiKung, i think can have all these schools students......

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