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作者: InitialD 時間: 09-10-20 20:42 標題: ESF Kinder to ESF primary school

Anyone can tell me how many kids from ESF kinders (CWS. TY and MOS) & how many seats available in ESF primary (SJS, KJS & BHS)? As I want to work out how many seats is available for kids from kinders other thsn ESF kinder.

[ 本帖最後由 InitialD 於 09-10-20 23:41 編輯 ]

作者: oooray 時間: 09-10-20 23:38

u never know the answer coz u never know how many Cat. 1 applicants who have the higher priorities for interview.

作者: InitialD 時間: 09-10-20 23:43

I heard BHS, KJS & SJS each has 5 classes x30=3x150. (Not confirm). I have no idea on number of classes for the ESF Kinder (TY, CWS, MOS)?

原帖由 oooray 於 09-10-20 23:38 發表
u never know the answer coz u never know how many Cat. 1 applicants who have the higher priorities for interview.

作者: myjasmine 時間: 09-10-20 23:52

BHS has 3 classes for each grade only...

作者: oooray 時間: 09-10-21 09:52

原帖由 InitialD 於 09-10-20 23:43 發表
I heard BHS, KJS & SJS each has 5 classes x30=3x150. (Not confirm). I have no idea on number of classes for the ESF Kinder (TY, CWS, MOS)?

TY has 8 classes K1 & 8 classes K2 (AM+PM) of ~2X per class (22 or 24 or 25? I didn't count actually). I guess WKS have the same capacity as TY. Please reconfirm with WKS parents.
U have not counted ESF Sheungwan (become Hillside next year)...

作者: matthewdad 時間: 09-10-21 10:16

delted delted delted

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作者: myjasmine 時間: 09-10-21 12:14

There are 5 classes in WKS...

作者: InitialD 時間: 09-10-21 14:53

quick calculation (based on the kinder & primary in Kln & NT):
TY=200(8x25)
WKS=125 (5x25)
Abacus=125(5x25)
total=450 (kinder)

SJS=150(5x30)
KJS=150 (5x30)
BHS=90 (3x30)
CWS=90(3x30)
total=480 (primary school)

if the data is correct, then
=> very small chance for non-ESF kinder+Cat 1
=> no chance for Cat2

what can we do?

原帖由 myjasmine 於 09-10-21 12:14 發表
There are 5 classes in WKS...

[ 本帖最後由 InitialD 於 09-10-21 15:02 編輯 ]

作者: oooray 時間: 09-10-21 15:48

原帖由 InitialD 於 09-10-21 14:53 發表
quick calculation (based on the kinder & primary in Kln & NT):
TY=200(8x25)
WKS=125 (5x25)
Abacus=125(5x25)
total=450 (kinder)

SJS=150(5x30)
KJS=150 (5x30)
BHS=90 (3x30)
CWS=90(3x30)
total=480 (prima ...

Cat 1 always have the highest priority for interview.
Cat 2 non-ESF kinder applicants w/o ESF silbings, need to consider contingency plans.
RC has 5 classes. The last oasis for ESF fans.
DC has only 3 classes. Already flooding by Cat 1 and ESF kinder applicants last year.

作者: InitialD 時間: 09-10-21 17:27

I hope some TY Kinder will choose ESF primary school on HK Island and release more seats. Does RC accept late submission? If yes, what is the chance?

原帖由 oooray 於 09-10-21 15:48 發表

Cat 1 always have the highest priority for interview.
Cat 2 non-ESF kinder applicants w/o ESF silbings, need to consider contingency plans.
RC has 5 classes. The last oasis for ESF fans.
DC has only ...

[ 本帖最後由 InitialD 於 09-10-21 17:31 編輯 ]

作者: oooray 時間: 09-10-21 21:47

原帖由 InitialD 於 09-10-21 17:27 發表
I hope some TY Kinder will choose ESF primary school on HK Island and release more seats. Does RC accept late submission? If yes, what is the chance?

no apply no chance.
As long as u pay the application fee, u will be on the waiting list. they will call u for interview when it is your turn, maybe this year, maybe next year, maybe...
it seems your child is in K2 at a non ESF kindergarten now and u only apply ESF Year 1 thro' central application...if it is the case, i suggest u better prepare your contingency plan early.

作者: InitialD 時間: 09-10-22 09:26

Yes, my son is in non-ESF kinder (K2)and I have not applied for RC before the closing date. When I recieved the acknowledgement letter, I realize the priority is different from before:
(in the letter, the new rules is)
. those whose parents are full time ESF teachers
· those with siblings in an ESF school
· those whose parents are former students of an ESF school
· those attending ESF Kindergartens (for Y1)

i.e even you are in cat 1, your priority is after this list (few space left according to my rough calculation). I also heard that they will put you to cat 2 if your son or parent can speak cantonese (anyone can confirm this ?).
I think I definitely need to have a contingence plan.

原帖由 oooray 於 09-10-21 21:47 發表

no apply no chance.
As long as u pay the application fee, u will be on the waiting list. they will call u for interview when it is your turn, maybe this year, maybe next year, maybe...
it seems your ...

[ 本帖最後由 InitialD 於 09-10-22 09:29 編輯 ]

作者: oooray 時間: 09-10-22 10:31

原帖由 InitialD 於 09-10-22 09:26 發表
Yes, my son is in non-ESF kinder (K2)and I have not applied for RC before the closing date. When I recieved the acknowledgement letter, I realize the priority is different from before:
(in the letter, ...

Cat 1 always come first before such priorities apply..but no point to discuss here. (most local hong kong chinese are in Cat 2) Nothing u can do with this.
If RC is still your choice, u may spend a few hundred dollars to send an late application (before they stop accepting late applications soon, when they have had a long enough waiting list). That is something u can do.
Alternatively, look for other international schools if you strive for the international stream (seems a little bit late but worthy to try), or looking for K3 places in good kindergartens next year and staying in local stream while waiting for ESF/RC's offer in the coming years; or simply going back to local stream.
Good Luck!

作者: InitialD 時間: 09-10-22 11:59

Thank you for your advise.

原帖由 oooray 於 09-10-22 10:31 發表

Cat 1 always come first before such priorities apply..but no point to discuss here. (most local hong kong chinese are in Cat 2) Nothing u can do with this.
If RC is still your choice, u may spend a f ...

作者: jamhappybobo 時間: 09-10-22 13:42

原帖由 oooray 於 09-10-22 10:31 發表

Cat 1 always come first before such priorities apply..but no point to discuss here. (most local hong kong chinese are in Cat 2) Nothing u can do with this.
If RC is still your choice, u may spend a f ...

oooray,

thanx very much for your info

Correct me if I got yhe wrong message:
We are at Cat 2
ESF Priamry is our dream school, cos we don't have extra money for the debenture for other IS

So since my young one is still at nursery
I should try to get a place in one of the ESF kinder next yr
then apply P.1 and then the chance to ESF P.1 should be higher , true right?

作者: oooray 時間: 09-10-22 22:03

原帖由 jamhappybobo 於 09-10-22 13:42 發表

oooray,

thanx very much for your info

Correct me if I got yhe wrong message:
We are at Cat 2
ESF Priamry is our dream school, cos we don't have extra money for the debenture for other IS

So since ...

i am not a judge to say u correct or wrong but i'm doing in the same way.
BTW, what is your purpose of studying 2 sessions of IS? 1+1 may not be equal to 2.

作者: almom 時間: 09-10-22 22:19

The "chance" of getting into an ESF school is not that simple. There is basically no use calculating the number of kindergarten kids and compared to primary seats because there is this catchment area issue.

作者: InitialD 時間: 09-10-23 09:27

Agreed. Do any know the no. of applicaions for KJS, BHS and SIS. Anyways it is too late to chnage the address.

原帖由 almom 於 09-10-22 22:19 發表
The "chance" of getting into an ESF school is not that simple. There is basically no use calculating the number of kindergarten kids and compared to primary seats because there is this catchment area ...

作者: cocobean225 時間: 09-11-18 15:08

InitialD,

first of all, CWBS has 120 seats.

CWBS Y1 applications: 210
category 1: 160
category 2: 50

KJS Y1 applications: 340
category 1: 190
category 2: 150

can anyone share similar info from SJS???

原帖由 InitialD 於 09-10-23 09:27 發表
Agreed. Do any know the no. of applicaions for KJS, BHS and SIS. Anyways it is too late to chnage the address.

作者: cocobean225 時間: 09-11-18 15:15

InitialD,

thanks so much for the rough statistics on ESF K2 students, look at this 450 figure, wild guess would be RC 1st round interview 350 applicants most of them are from ESF kindy.

原帖由 InitialD 於 09-10-21 14:53 發表
quick calculation (based on the kinder & primary in Kln & NT):
TY=200(8x25)
WKS=125 (5x25)
Abacus=125(5x25)
total=450 (kinder)

SJS=150(5x30)
KJS=150 (5x30)
BHS=90 (3x30)
CWS=90(3x30)
total=480 (prima ...

作者: oooray 時間: 09-11-18 15:25

原帖由 cocobean225 於 09-11-18 15:08 發表
InitialD,

first of all, CWBS has 120 seats.

CWBS Y1 applications: 210
category 1: 160
category 2: 50

KJS Y1 applications: 340
category 1: 190
category 2: 150

can anyone share similar info from SJS ...

I wonder how u get these no.
If these are true, seems no chance for cat 2 applicants unless cat 1 applicants fail (really difficult to fail) or give up the place.

作者: cocobean225 時間: 09-11-18 15:35

oooray,

the info from CWBS was given by the vice principal during their information session on 5 Nov 2009.

and info from KJS was given from the admission secretary Ms. Jim via phone enquiry.

原帖由 oooray 於 09-11-18 15:25 發表

I wonder how u get these no.
If these are true, seems no chance for cat 2 applicants unless cat 1 applicants fail (really difficult to fail) or give up the place.

作者: oooray 時間: 09-11-18 15:42

原帖由 cocobean225 於 09-11-18 15:35 發表
oooray,

the info from CWBS was given by the vice principal during their information session on 5 Nov 2009.

and info from KJS was given from the admission secretary Ms. Jim via phone enquiry.

That means even Cat. 2 ESF kinder applicants will have slim chance; if all Cat 1 Applicants pass the interview and accept the offer.
Of course, Cat 1 applicants from ESF kinder are doubled counted in this simple subtraction...
That may be the reason why so many applicants rush to RC this year, assuming quite a big portion are ESF kinder Cat. 2 applicants.

作者: highfive 時間: 09-11-18 17:22

We received the interview letter from RC but my kid is not studying at an ESF kindy.

原帖由 cocobean225 於 09-11-18 15:15 發表
InitialD,

thanks so much for the rough statistics on ESF K2 students, look at this 450 figure, wild guess would be RC 1st round interview 350 applicants most of them are from ESF kindy.

作者: ctyu 時間: 09-11-18 17:56

Many thanks to cocobean225 for sharing the application numbers! Maybe a bit late for this year's applicant to change address. However, this provides good hints for K1 parents to plan ahead. Does anyone have the numbers for any other ESF primary schools?

作者: cocobean225 時間: 09-11-18 18:04

highfive,

mind telling us which kindy your child from?

原帖由 highfive 於 09-11-18 17:22 發表
We received the interview letter from RC but my kid is not studying at an ESF kindy.

作者: Onsen 時間: 09-11-18 18:47

I remembered the vice-principal of one ESF primary (HK side) said that the 2009 entrants came from 70+ different kindergartens. If there were 4 or 5 (may be) ESF kindergartens, they still have around 65 came from non-ESF kindergartens. However, I once read that all YMCA International kindegartens applicants got 100% acceptance into RC, just a few to ESF. That may give you a better picture if you are doing your math.

作者: highfive 時間: 09-11-18 19:47

Think International, Laguna City (Lam Tin).

原帖由 cocobean225 於 09-11-18 18:04 發表
highfive,

mind telling us which kindy your child from?

作者: InitialD 時間: 09-11-19 00:33

cocobean & oooray

Thank you so much for your data.
It seems that:
1) if you are cat 2, no matter from esf or non-esf kinder=> no or small chance to get into ESF primary school.
2) if you are cat 1+ esf kinder => sure win
3) it you are cat 1+non-esf kinder still stand a chance if you are lucky.

It is too late to know the rule. Good luck for those new comers.

原帖由 oooray 於 09-11-18 15:42 發表

That means even Cat. 2 ESF kinder applicants will have slim chance; if all Cat 1 Applicants pass the interview and accept the offer.
Of course, Cat 1 applicants from ESF kinder are doubled counted in ...

[ 本帖最後由 InitialD 於 09-11-19 00:36 編輯 ]

作者: cocobean225 時間: 09-11-19 09:16

InitialD,

very good interpretation, but I still have some queries on how they define category 1 and 2. Very likely the categorization is done by computer programs by picking up info from certain fields on the application form, but honestly, some parents may not fill out ALL / TRUE information on the form though.
As far as I know, many kids from ESF kindy they do attend another local kindergarten in AM/PM session, but they may not reflect such info on the form that they can actually go back to local stream schools (category 2).

原帖由 InitialD 於 09-11-19 00:33 發表
cocobean & oooray

Thank you so much for your data.
It seems that:
1) if you are cat 2, no matter from esf or non-esf kinder=> no or small chance to get into ESF primary school.
2) if you are cat 1+ ...

作者: oooray 時間: 09-11-19 09:40

原帖由 cocobean225 於 09-11-19 09:16 發表
InitialD,

very good interpretation, but I still have some queries on how they define category 1 and 2. Very likely the categorization is done by computer programs by picking up info from certain fiel ...

From my understanding from ESF official website:
1. Cat. 1 applicants always have the priority for interview. So, Cat 1 applicant always comes first, no matter which kinder they come from (even not study in a kindergarten). They will fill up the vacancies of interview (there will be a very little chance of not passing the interview);
2. The rest to be filling up with Cat 2 applicants, within the priority of siblings, ESF kinder applicants;
3. Non-ESF kinder applicants are always at the end of the queue. From last year's experience, only a few of them got an interview offer in the first round; so don't be disappointed if you will be one of the group;
4. Cat 1/2 categorization :
Category One
Children who speak English as a first or alternative language but donot speak Cantonese and/or read and write Chinese characters.

It seems irrelavant to which kinder you filled in the form.

Of course, what will be the consequences of false declaration? Take your own risks.

作者: InitialD 時間: 09-11-19 09:40

In the esf web site
"Category One
Children who speak English as a first or alternative language but do not speak Cantonese and/or read and write Chinese characters."
*I don't expect 4 years old local kid can write but should able to talk in Cantonese unless have learning problem=>definitely will put in Cat 2.

原帖由 cocobean225 於 09-11-19 09:16 發表
InitialD,

very good interpretation, but I still have some queries on how they define category 1 and 2. Very likely the categorization is done by computer programs by picking up info from certain fiel ...

作者: 蜜蜜 時間: 09-12-6 17:57

my daughter is currently studying K1 in an ESF kinder, as told from her class teacher, most of the students in ESF kinder move onto an ESF primary (saying more than 95%). so is the chance of ESF kinder's cat 2 kids getting into an ESF primary that slim??

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