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作者: kikispider 時間: 09-10-17 00:26 標題: 第二屆全港學生公開音樂比賽

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作者: yvonne.wong 時間: 09-10-17 01:08 標題: 回覆 1# kikispider 的文章

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作者: video_ming 時間: 09-10-17 20:36

這是一個十分殘酷的比賽.我都很傷心.

一個付出過努力的小朋友,換來這樣的評語.作為家長十分傷心.

. 好像你努力做了些事,給你的老板時,老板一把打過來,說垃圾的感覺.

原帖由 yvonne.wong 於 09-10-17 01:08 發表
這是一個十分十分不公平的比賽

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作者: yvonne.wong 時間: 09-10-17 21:35

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作者: chanel2009 時間: 09-10-17 22:09

Can I ask you both why do you say this is so? It is with experience, and my friend's experience that this competition is encouraging, and because it is small groups, children get to learn more from their comments?

Why is it unfair? Is it because your child didn't win ? Competition is competition, it's all about the adjudicator's opinion. Unless there are more than 1 adjudicators. I think examinations are sometimes very unfair. I think HKSMA's competitions are very very unfair too !

作者: video_ming 時間: 09-10-17 22:20

我是10月15日的比賽.我小朋友每天練琴1個多小時,假日是2~3小時,跟的老師都是有小小明的音樂家.得的結果是這樣

原帖由 yvonne.wong 於 09-10-17 21:35 發表
不但小朋友努力, 家長和老師都付出了很多, 又要比500幾元, 又要給評判愚弄, 又要造馬, 又要浪費家長的時間.請問您是不是參加了10月14日嗰場比賽

作者: chanel2009 時間: 09-10-17 22:25

interesting.... it must be disappointing, but "performance" is performance. Just because your child practices alot, or sits at the piano alot doesn't mean he or she is guaranteed to win right?

作者: video_ming 時間: 09-10-17 22:43

在這個比賽裡.我看不見鼓勵.
評語上一點鼓勵字都沒有.
我當初參加時的心,都是想在此裡給予一些鼓勵比囡囡.我沒有想要拿什麼獎.

原帖由 chanel2009 於 09-10-17 22:09 發表
Can I ask you both why do you say this is so? It is with experience, and my friend's experience that this competition is encouraging, and because it is small groups, children get to learn more from th ...

作者: chanel2009 時間: 09-10-17 23:06

Really? You mean the comments are all negative? No encouraging remarks?
If so, it is definitely the adjudicator, but not the competiton's tone of voice.

I participated in their speech competition (well my kids) twice , last year and this year, I find they maintained "competitive" atmosphere, but with encouragment to children by giving each a medalion, trophies for winners, and comments that indicate good and bad things about my kids' performance.

Why the music one is not, then it must be the adjudicator? There was a session on Friday, Oct 16, different adjudicator. Maybe different?

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作者: kikispider 時間: 09-10-17 23:45

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作者: chanel2009 時間: 09-10-18 00:00

I know who the adjudictor is now... a friend 's child played on Oct 14, and according to them, the adjudicator is same as Oct 15.... this adjudicator is very qualified, and wrote a book about how to be a better piano teacher.

She said everyone enjoyed his adjudication, many laughed, and learned a lot.

作者: wootaitai 時間: 09-10-18 00:07

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作者: chanel2009 時間: 09-10-18 00:15

wootaitai,

Are you sure we are talking about the same competition? The speech one this year was held at Sheung Wan Civic Center, and each child was sitting with a parent, and very on time, and there was no waiting room.

Speech mark sheet- I agree, no written comments, just check marks on a chart.

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作者: chanel2009 時間: 09-10-18 00:27

Oh really? That is pretty bad.

Well, this competition is still only in its 2nd year, I think it's only fair to give it some time, I think they are trying to improve the best they can.
I see they were more organized than last year already, they learned, and they tried to fix it.

It's not easy to satisfy thousands of parents, teachers, and students, and have to make everyone happy.

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作者: yvonne.wong 時間: 09-10-18 00:37 標題: 回覆 1# chanel2009 的文章

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作者: Flying-Man 時間: 09-10-18 00:56

video_ming,

為何你有這 comment "十分殘酷的比賽"? 我囡囡個場有多位小朋友彈同一首樂曲,但我這外行人(我不會彈琴)亦聽得出有多個不同演繹版本,有的先快後慢,有的先慢後快,有的由頭到尾同一個 tone,有的則有高低抑揚,有的熟練但我覺得過份慢,有的則把拍子彈得怪怪的,總之樣樣都有,若依照 adjudicator 於賽後解釋樂曲的寫作背景,有的參賽者可說未能將樂曲演繹恰當.

得獎與否,我個人覺得這個比賽(&任何其他比賽)都可以作為觀摩,交流和學習的好機會,亦是訓練小朋友膽量的好機會.

原帖由 video_ming 於 09-10-17 20:36 發表
這是一個十分殘酷的比賽.我都很傷心. 一個付出過努力的小朋友,(玩)來這樣的評語.作為家長十分傷心. . 好像你努力做了些事,給你的老板時,老板一把打過來,說垃圾的感覺. ...

作者: yvonne.wong 時間: 09-10-18 00:58

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作者: chanel2009 時間: 09-10-18 02:26

So, what DID you expect or wanted so that you wouldn't think it was unfair ?

Also, the price according to the website is only over $ 500 if you play concert group. It's not that expensive if you are playing just 1 piece.

Compared to last year, I think the syllabus, and organization of the classes seem improved.

I am sure every competition there are those who are happy, and those who think it's unfair or not happy.

In the speech competition earlier this year, it was funny I heard a parent lining up with the child, talking to another parent.... "this competition's organization is TERRIBLE. I entered two poems for my son in the same grade, they put me all in this same morning !" The other parent said, "Oh, isn't that better? " The complaining parent said, "Of course not ! I expected two days to take off work already, now they wasted one of my holidays."

Go figure some parents eh?

作者: video_ming 時間: 09-10-18 08:19

Flying-Man
我十分相應同你比賽的態度.我都是這個心態.
殘酷是我個人感覺,在這比賽中找不到欣賞的感覺.沒有欣賞小朋友努力練習的.評審在公開說聽到(毛管樹起).對一個六歲小朋友每天努力練習來說是否殘酷.在評語紙上沒有一點好話,沒有一點鼓勵.
老實說我覺得囡囡當時彈得不錯.

原帖由 Flying-Man 於 09-10-18 00:56 發表
video_ming,

為何你有這 comment "十分殘酷的比賽"? 我囡囡個場有多位小朋友彈同一首樂曲,但我這外行人(我不會彈琴)亦聽得出有多個不同演繹版本,有的先快後慢,有的先慢後快,有的由頭到尾同一個 tone,有的則有高低抑 ...

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作者: Pianokc 時間: 09-10-18 23:31

to be fair then, it was the adjudicator's comments you were not happy with. Not the competition itself right?

Yvonne, you even mentioned last year was good, but this year, you just didn't have an adjudicator you thought was good for your child?

Video_ming, as much as I can understand how disappointing you were and your child's efforts seem not rewarded, do remember she did have the experience of performing in public, and received comments that no doubt is to suggest better performance and further improvements?

I think it's unfair to say because the adjudicator wasn't speaking with "sugar coated" words, just bluntly saying what was wrong with the performances that the competition is NOT fair, and that the competition is unworthy.

It's like parents just saying negative things, but really, you love your child, and want your child to do his/her best.

Very Chinese cultural.. that's all.

But, yes, I agree, adjudicators of ALL competitions should begin with the "positive" words in comments first, then the criticisms.

That's my philosophy in piano teaching with my students, and with my own children too. Positive first, then the bad news.

作者: yuki123lam 時間: 09-10-19 14:55

我小朋友都有參加, 下個禮拜比賽, 想問下衣著方面普遍係點, 男仔係咪多數"率"衫+西褲+皮鞋 ? 請指教 !!

作者: Radiomama 時間: 09-10-19 15:09

我本來都有幫仔仔報名，但比賽的時間實在太差(fri 9.30am)，我最後寧願阿仔上學，沒有出賽。
事後我都覺得自己太傻，因為報名時看過章程，知道除非有學校考試証明，約否，不能改時間。那即是說必然在上學日子比賽啦! 結果。。。浪費了少許金錢。

作者: Pianokc 時間: 09-10-19 21:21

It is almost impossible to schedule all sessions on weekends only. There are limited venues, and thousands of students entered, subject to venue availability, and the adjudicators' availability, too many factors. If only on weekends, the competition would have to on for a long long time for that many entries, that many different instruments.

I think the competition is very fair in that with school letter as proof for examination conflict, you can reschedule your competition session.

作者: kikispider 時間: 09-10-19 23:43

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作者: busybusy 時間: 09-10-19 23:52

Any experience on violin competition? How's the adjudicator's comments?

作者: christianmom 時間: 09-10-20 00:08

我也有類似的問題，我的小朋友是參加大提琴比賽，但他的一組卻有7級、8級和演奏級，評判如何決定名次呢？很奇怪，因為校際並不是這樣的。不知其他弦樂組別是否有相同問題？

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作者: busybusy 時間: 09-10-20 00:18

yes, they had said that on the notice the prizes will separate to each grade. My son in Grade 3 violin, but the Grade 5 violin is following.

Anything we need to pay attention?

作者: chanel2009 時間: 09-10-20 00:36

They will have prizes for each grade, but adjudication is at the end of the whole session. Many festivals in Canada and USA are like that, when a group doesn't have that many people entering, this is how they do it.

I am sure for cello, for the upper grades, not that many people entered, hence this is the logical arrangement, and still allow all competitors to have the chance to perform, receive comments, and place a prize if the score is high enough.

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作者: achow 時間: 09-10-20 09:47

My son will go for Clarinet competition on Oct 28th. Is my first time to join, hope thing goes smooth.....

作者: christianmom 時間: 09-10-20 10:06

Thank you so much for all the feedback.

作者: yuki123lam 時間: 09-10-20 12:54

因為比賽當天係星期六, 係咪大多數小朋友都係著校服 ? thanks !

原帖由 kikispider 於 09-10-19 23:43 發表
Most of them wear the school uniform.

作者: chanel2009 時間: 09-10-20 14:05

on Saturdays, kids don't usually wear uniform, but if you really want to, it doesn't affect your mark. Wear what your child is most comfortable with, neat and tidy.

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作者: Pianokc 時間: 09-10-20 22:21

Cultural Center is CR1 and CR2 as venues, it's the rehearsal rooms for artists and the orchestras. Grand pianos for both venues, no stage, but nice and good size.

作者: DodoluMama 時間: 09-10-21 09:35

Anyone knows the setup of City Hall 8/F Recital Hall? My kid will have singing compeition in that venue. Hope the room/hall is not too big.

作者: Pianokc 時間: 09-10-21 21:28

No worries, it's good. No stage, just about 100 seats. HKSMA use it alot for speech, and music festival, and many use it for masterclasses, and teacher's recitals...

作者: DodoluMama 時間: 09-10-21 21:53

Pianokc
Thank you!

原帖由 Pianokc 於 09-10-21 21:28 發表
No worries, it's good. No stage, just about 100 seats. HKSMA use it alot for speech, and music festival, and many use it for masterclasses, and teacher's recitals...

作者: Pianokc 時間: 09-10-23 14:47

Good Luck !

作者: Flying-Man 時間: 09-10-23 15:44

Pianokc,

請問 全港學生公開音樂比賽 算多人認識? thanks.

原帖由 Pianokc 於 09-10-23 14:47 發表
Good Luck !

作者: Pianokc 時間: 09-10-23 15:51

Flying Man,

Not sure what you mean...

作者: Flying-Man 時間: 09-10-23 21:18

Pianokc,

我想知呢個比賽出唔出名,多唔多人認識呢個比賽?

原帖由 Pianokc 於 09-10-23 15:51 發表
Flying Man,

Not sure what you mean...

作者: Pianokc 時間: 09-10-23 21:20

Flying man,

I have no idea how many people know about this competition..... how do I find out?

作者: Flying-Man 時間: 09-10-23 22:39

Pianokc,

我對呢個比賽唔太認識,所以問你知唔知.我係 bk 上知道有這比賽,比囡囡第一次参加攞經驗同鍊膽量. Thanks anyway.

原帖由 Pianokc 於 09-10-23 21:20 發表
Flying man,

I have no idea how many people know about this competition..... how do I find out?

作者: Pianokc 時間: 09-10-23 23:26

Sorry Flyingman, the competition is in its 2nd year, you can visit their website, www.recital.com.hk

It's ongoing until December.... so, seems like many entries.....

作者: jandtfamily 時間: 09-10-28 09:28 標題: 回覆 52# kikispider 的文章

並冇不公平的事發生，這比賽是資深的杜葉錫恩女士創立，她有意仿效歷史悠久的校際音樂節比賽。
個別家長太敏感，加上愛護子女的心情，本人心感理解，只要做好自己本份，成與敗有時亦是只差一線呢！讓孩子們從失敗中成長過來，在他們身邊鼓勵他們，與他們一同進步。切勿在他們面前說出不正面的話，如那個不好、那人不好、不公平.......等等，會造成他們日後負面的影響呢！
今天，小兒會參加該會的五級長笛比賽，雖然他只得八歲，和一眾哥哥姐姐比試，但我們會為他打氣！好好吸取這次比賽的經驗。阿仔！加油！

作者: Pianokc 時間: 09-10-28 22:01

Well said jandtfamily.

Anyone heard the sessions this week?

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並冇不公平的事發生，這比賽是資深的杜葉錫恩女士創立，她有意仿效歷史悠久的校際音樂節比賽。
個別家長太敏感，加上愛護子女的心情，本人心感理解，只要做好自己本份，成與敗有時亦是只差一線呢！讓孩子們從失敗中成長過來，在他們 ...

作者: Supermamie 時間: 09-10-29 13:23 標題: 朗誦比賽的小小分享

我完全理解做家長的感受，兩年前，我個女第一次參加朗誦比賽，就是因爲和我分開坐，輪到她都唔知，要人帶她上台，上到台緊張又怕醜，根本無聲，得到的評語當然唔好。激死我啦，又怪大會安排唔好，又怪自己個女無用，明明背好都好似唔記得，我鬧咗好耐。結果女女話以後唔參加比賽。幸好有位好老師啓發了我。我記得很清楚她對我說的一句：“在鼓勵中成長的孩子才有自信。”原來，女女怕事全因爲她有個凡事挑剔的惡媽媽。。。我第一次做人亞媽，從未教過細路，我都要學。舊年亞女再參加這個比賽，我無比女女壓力，只要有進步就得啦。結果她好留心聽着自己的號碼，大大方方上台朗誦，仲贏咗添，帶了個獎杯回家，那是第一個獎，是爸爸媽媽，老師和她努力的成果。從錯誤和失敗中站起來，才是最寶貴的學習經驗。這是我小小的分享，希望大家努力，跟仔仔女女共同面對甜酸苦辣。大家加油！
女女無參加音樂比賽，但不相信會有不公平和做馬事件。

作者: jandtfamily 時間: 09-10-30 13:51 標題: 回覆 1# Supermamie 的文章

多謝你的分享！我是過來人，也是第一次為人父母，所以明白當中的苦與樂。
像今次「第二屆全港學生公開音樂比賽」長笛組剛取得了亞軍，大家都很開心。然而就是之前沒給他太大壓力，保持心理最佳狀態(反而他自己有壓力)，結果取得滿意成績。下次會再次加油！

作者: labelle 時間: 09-11-2 00:22

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作者: Flying-Man 時間: 09-11-2 09:45

labelle,

我囡囡 (grade one) 個場是:

1) 小朋友和家長同坐.

2) 我囝囝因無人照顧,所以帶埋佢入去睇家姐比賽.入場時工作人員無問我.

3) 比賽開始前,工作人員話家長可以陪佢出場,扶佢上 chair,幫佢較 chair 高度.

我囝囝 (k.3) 今個星期六 prelim level.大家努力!!

原帖由 labelle 於 09-11-2 00:31 發表
有無人已參加 instrument prelim level ?

1) All the parents were separated from their kids ??? (my son is a K2 student only...)

2) really only 一位家長 can 入會場 ?

3) 家長可唔可以同佢一齊上台... 扶 ...

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作者: ausiu1230 時間: 09-11-2 13:01

我個女都係K3, 上個星期比咗賽, 意外地拎咗冠軍, 你仔仔都要加油呀~

原帖由 Flying-Man 於 09-11-2 09:45 發表
labelle,

我囡囡 (grade one) 個場是:

1) 小朋友和家長同坐.

2) 我囝囝因無人照顧,所以帶埋佢入去睇家姐比賽.入場時工作人員無問我.

3) 比賽開始前,工作人員話家長可以陪佢出場,扶佢上 chair,幫佢較 chair 高度. ...

作者: Pianokc 時間: 09-11-2 14:00

wootaitai,

Just curious, why do you think it's unfair for one to play 3 times, but different pieces in the class?

True that it might be better if this competitor went THREE different times, however, it's STILL three chances of performing. In fact, I think she lost a chance, because if she played three different occassions, she might have better chance, with different class competitors, different adjudicator, different venue, different "mood".... however, in this way, he/she had to use all her chances in ONE session.

I think as long as she submitted THREE separate entries, played different songs.... then she has every right to do that.

The competition is not organized so that all the competitors play List A in one class, would be nice, but doubt the competition is that mature with THAT many competitors per instrument, per class, per grade, per List A, B,C that allows them to categorize that way.

I think it was the same with speech, I watched a class, there was a kid who went up twice, because nursery rhyme, and verse were on the same day, same session after one another.

Honestly, if a competitor is good, most likely good in most entries, if he is bad, or not prepared, doesn't matter 1 entry or 3 or 10... same result.

Just my opinion.

作者: Flying-Man 時間: 09-11-2 14:30

ausiu1230,

恭喜恭喜,你囡囡好叻,佢彈咩歌仔呀?我只希望囝囝平穩地彈到首歌. Now feeling a bit nervous for him.:(

原帖由 ausiu1230 於 09-11-2 13:01 發表
我個女都係K3, 上個星期比咗賽, 意外地拎咗冠軍, 你仔仔都要加油呀~

作者: wootaitai 時間: 09-11-2 14:51

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作者: Pianokc 時間: 09-11-2 22:35

understood Wootaitai.... we all just want what's best for our kids!

However, if you read it carefully, on their website it says under rules and regulations:

"Competitors may enter more than one instrumental and/ or singing group. However, within each instrumental or singing group, competitors may only enter one same grade within the Repertoire and Concert Groups, but more than one entry per grade is allowed."

作者: wootaitai 時間: 09-11-2 23:48

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作者: ausiu1230 時間: 09-11-3 00:16

佢彈小步舞曲,
佢出場前都話好驚,
點知出到去又冇野喎

你囝囝呢?
彈咩歌呀?
加油呀~

原帖由 Flying-Man 於 09-11-2 14:30 發表
ausiu1230,

恭喜恭喜,你囡囡好叻,佢彈咩歌仔呀?我只希望囝囝平穩地彈到首歌. Now feeling a bit nervous for him.:(

作者: Pianokc 時間: 09-11-3 01:18

Theoretically yes, but doubt it will ever happen !
As the competition mature year after year, am sure the classes will be bigger in numbers, and therefore will be able to sort into List A, B, C for each class.

Until then, I am quite enjoying the mixture in variety of pieces in a class, unlike HKSMA's.....
it has it advantage, and disadvantage.....

原帖由 wootaitai 於 09-11-2 23:48 發表
oh really... so theoretically one can win 3 prizes...?!

WIll check carefully next year!

作者: Flying-Man 時間: 09-11-3 08:42

ausiu1230,

He will play an American Jig. 到而家都彈得唔好又唔認真,叫佢練吓鞠躬,佢就係到 makes funny faces,唔得佢死,希望到時唔好出醜啦!

原帖由 ausiu1230 於 09-11-3 00:16 發表
佢彈小步舞曲,
佢出場前都話好驚,
點知出到去又冇野喎

你囝囝呢?
彈咩歌呀?
加油呀~

作者: ausiu1230 時間: 09-11-3 09:14

我個女喺屋企都係咁, 比賽前一日都仲擺錯位,
點知出到去又好鬼認真

鞠躬係老師同佢練, 所以我冇理到

原帖由 Flying-Man 於 09-11-3 08:42 發表
ausiu1230,

He will play an American Jig. 到而家都彈得唔好又唔認真,叫佢練吓鞠躬,佢就係到 makes funny faces,唔得佢死,希望到時唔好出醜啦!

作者: KwanKwanMammy 時間: 09-11-3 17:03

Any mammy's have attend this morning (piano grade one competition started from 10:00am). Any comments?? I felt it's unfair. For the girl which obtain 2nd reward, she have some mistake on she song but she have 2nd reward.

any mammy have same comment with me??

作者: Pianokc 時間: 09-11-3 19:26

kwankwanmammy,

As a parent, it's disappointing when your child doesn't get placed in a competition, or receive the results you hoped for.

However, it is my experience that a performance with no wrong notes not necessarily mean good performance, as in return, a performance with wrong notes ,or some mistake does not automatically mean that performer doesn't win.

Perhaps her performance was very musical in every way, and therefore, adjudicator over looks the mistake.

If the performer can keep playing after a mistake, it is also worthy of praising, and if that mistake doesn't affect the rest of the performance, then the competitor should still have a chance to win a place.

This applies to all international competitions too.... professional artist make mistakes during performance, it's how you recover, and how the big picture looks.

Of course, if the piece was with lots of mistakes that interrupt the flow of the piece, then it doesn't deserve to win.

In this case, I guess the adjudicator "forgive" the mistake because in every other aspect, the adjudicator thinks this competitor deserved 2nd place.

作者: MaggieHei 時間: 09-11-5 21:53

It's difficult to say this is fair or not.

My girl did attend the singing competition this morning. The only issue I feel not fair is , the children can choose Chinese, Madarine or English songs. But they did not seperate the group. All the childrens no matter who sing which songs had been competited in the same stage. Do you think this is fair enough ? This morning, I saw a boy who sign very good. If they seperate the group, he should get better result. This morning, he get 2nd runner up only.

That's why I think the competition is not that fair.

作者: kikispider 時間: 09-11-5 22:22

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作者: Pianokc 時間: 09-11-6 01:34

good for you kikispider!
It's not the mistakes you make, it's how you learn and recover from your mistakes. This is not only applicable in music, also applicable in life experience!

A competitor can perform a piece entirely with NO wrong notes, but play like a robot, or wrong style, or little expression, it doesn't mean it's a winning performance right? Notes is ONLY the FIRST requirement of playing any instrument.

The beauty and efforts in playing a piece succesfully requires much further levels beyond just notes.

作者: Pianokc 時間: 09-11-8 23:51

anyone have further comments about this week's sessions?

作者: 十月媽咪 時間: 09-11-16 08:23

Pianokc,

冒昧請教一個問題....我女響剛過去的星期六下午, 完成左流行曲初級組既比賽, 評判畀評語既時候, 話嗰幾首歌踩左腳掣之後, 會好聽好多, 例如star war會更有氣勢, once upon a dream會更優美等等...

我想問....大會既比賽章程or規則內, 係咪列明准許參賽者自行更改樂譜呢? 我意思係...明明呢幾首歌既樂譜, 都無寫到踩腳掣既位置 (即係無寫到彈咩音要踩腳掣), 但評判竟然話踩左腳掣效果會好好多...我都知star war踩左腳掣會有氣勢好多...問題係...個譜無寫架嘛, 而家係比賽嘛...調番轉...如果個譜寫左彈咩音要踩腳掣而個參賽者無踩, 我估都會被扣分啦...但而家無寫到要踩, 但踩左反而加分....咁即係點呀? 係咪大會規則係寫左可以踩, 而我戇居居唔知道呢?! 同埋以我所知, 校際係唔可以自行鍾意彈到邊就踩個腳掣, 自行加d效果落去的, 咁係咪呢個比賽係可以咁做的呢? 抑或其實校際都可以咁做, 而我又係唔知呢?

而最後, 三甲當然係由三位有姿勢, 有實際, 又踩埋腳掣既小朋友勝出吧! (佢地三個, 我覺得都實至名歸的, 因為真係彈得好好聽, 好投入) 我唔係因為女兒無獎而提出質疑, 只係...我想清楚番, 係咪真係可以咁做而我同琴老師都唔知呢?

原帖由 Pianokc 於 09-11-8 23:51 發表
anyone have further comments about this week's sessions?

作者: lily99lily99 時間: 09-11-17 01:41

小朋友比完賽好唔開心同我講明年唔好再報呢D比賽!
我相信要一個4/5歲既小朋友明白彈得唔好唔順暢唔代表無獎攞，彈得好亦唔代表有獎攞呢個道理唔容易...

原帖由 Pianokc 於 09-11-8 23:51 發表
anyone have further comments about this week's sessions?

作者: 金毛B媽 時間: 09-11-17 09:27

其實會唔會不要令小朋友睇獎項咁重要比較好呢, 我小朋友之前有試過得獎, 也有無獎的時候, 無獎時, 他沒有因為表現得好好, 而無獎攞而唔開心, 反而他會繼續努力呢

事後, 我有解釋給他聽, 因為有些小朋友彈得有節奏感, 大細聲做得好好, 雖然有些錯漏, 但用心彈, 就會彈得好聽了, 我是一個不懂彈琴的人, 給他比賽是想他有自信心的, 要自己繼續努力

得到獎, 當然開心, 有一種鼓勵, 得不到, 又不會覺得唔開心呢

作者: A1 時間: 09-11-17 12:34

To my limited understanding (I'm not a piano teacher but my kid has studied piano for several years), this is very common that pedalling marks are not shown on the pieces (except music for early learners). Players should have the "music sense" where to hold or release the pedal. Of course, for early learners, the piano teacher should have the responsibility to tell his/her students how to interpret the music and where to use pedal, even the music scores did not mention that. This is acceptable & most welcome in all competitions, including music festival. (Pls correct me if I'm wrong!)

作者: Pianokc 時間: 09-11-17 22:41

Lily,

perhaps this is one reason this competition is more important for your child to participate again and again. Notice each child receives a Medallion, that is his/her reward for her hard work. I don't even tell my daughter about the 1st and 2nd and 3rd.... because to me, it's not important. I was pleased that she went up looking very poised, bow gracefully, and did her best in performing. She told me when she came back down, her heart was beating so fast, she was so nervous. I just gave her a BIG hug that I can't tell she was nervous, what a great job she did.

At the end, she did get third, but I didn't make a big deal out of it, she will get a trophy later, but at this moment, she noticed everyone gets a medal, she said, the judge is SO nice!

It's sometimes up to us as parent to guide our child's thinking to be looking at the other things other than the ONLY thing in front of you. There is always ONE winner only, our child must learn most of the time, we don't win. So when you do win, it's a bonus, but when you don't win, it doesn't make you less worthy or less loved.

Just my opinion.

原帖由 lily99lily99 於 09-11-17 01:41 發表
小朋友比完賽好唔開心同我講明年唔好再報呢D比賽!
我相信要一個4/5歲既小朋友明白彈得唔好唔順暢唔代表無獎攞，彈得好亦唔代表有獎攞呢個道理唔容易...

...

作者: Pianokc 時間: 09-11-17 22:48

A1 already posted what I want to say.
However, do want to add, parents and teachers MUST realize:

1) Comments made by adjudicators are PURELY one person's opinion. Yes, life is unfair, if you don't agree with his or her comments, then maybe next time, you might have one that you agree with. You can ignore the comments and advise your child to play the way he wants to.

However, the point of having children go perform in public, and receive critique is precisely this, listen to more comments, learn and try to apply the new information, does it make you better? What works for you ? What doesn't? It's ultimately your decision.

2) Regarding the markings, not only are PEDAL markings just suggestions, music playing is an ART. It's NOT mathematics. One will find the same piece of music, if you buy different editions, by different publishers, and even urtext versions, there are many versions and amendments. Because, composers themselves often changed their minds too ! And because of our sources, many manuscripts are actually just edited to the best of our knowledge what the composers SHOULD have wanted. No one knows, unless we go back 200-400 years to see for ourselves.

However, what I am really trying to say is, we must use our imagination, and ears to hear what BEST suits the music and whether WE can produce the music to its BEST interpretation. This doesn't mean you can do whatever you want, but it means DO NOT look at the sheet music or piece of music like a math question. One needs to be flexible. As long as your playing is convincing, musical, and colourful and according to the style and necessary interpretation ... is all there, then it's a good performance.

I hope you understand what I am trying to say.
Don't think if one does EVERYTHING written in the page, then one is a perfect musician. I know it sounds very hard ... but that's why studying music is a LIFE long journey. I will be learning continuously until the day I die. Even after playing the piano over 30 years, I still have SO much to learn.

原帖由 十月媽咪 於 09-11-16 08:23 發表
Pianokc,

冒昧請教一個問題....我女響剛過去的星期六下午, 完成左流行曲初級組既比賽, 評判畀評語既時候, 話嗰幾首歌踩左腳掣之後, 會好聽好多, 例如star war會更有氣勢, once upon a dream會更優美等等...

我想問 ...

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作者: Pianokc 時間: 09-11-17 22:48

A1,

Perfectly said.

Thank you !

原帖由 A1 於 09-11-17 12:34 發表
To my limited understanding (I'm not a piano teacher but my kid has studied piano for several years), this is very common that pedalling marks are not shown on the pieces (except music for early learn ...

作者: wootaitai 時間: 09-11-17 22:57

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作者: 十月媽咪 時間: 09-11-18 07:54

Pianokc,

好多謝你咁詳盡既回應, 我而家清楚多了!

女兒只係單對單學琴兩年, 比賽經驗只得一次校際, 今次係第二次....呢兩次比賽, 老師都係跟足個譜唻教, 咁校際首歌, 我覺得跟足都無問題, 因為首歌唔踩腳掣反而好d! 但今次呢首, 我之前都有問老師, 呢首係跳舞歌, 如果可以教阿女響某d位加埋踩腳掣, 我諗效果會好好多的!

但老師就話...個譜無話要加, 唔好自己加, 免得被評判扣分, 同埋個譜寫左係咁, 都唔應該自己亂咁加的! 就係咁....我女練呢首歌嗰陣, 總係改善唔到我想佢改善既野...練唻練去, 都係一種好操兵既感覺, 而無一種跳舞好優美既感覺!

所以...當評判話畀我地聽, 係應該響某d位踩腳掣, 咁就會連貫好多同埋會無左嗰種操兵感覺既時候....我心裡係千萬個疑團...又話唔加得既? 點解評判話要加架?

其實我女當日比賽好緊張的, 但到上台鞠躬開始彈....又好似另一個人咁, 盡佢所能完成整首歌...佢有獎無獎, for我唻講, 真係唔重要, 因為我真係好欣賞佢咁勇敢的...只係我想清楚知道, 其實係咪可以加....因為比賽後, 我再同番老師講, 老師都堅持話唔可以的...尤其校際, 更加唔好自己加上去....就係咁...所以我至會發出呢個問題架咋!

另外, 呢個比賽, 我無嗰種唔公平既感覺的, 我只係心中千萬個疑團, 究竟係評判既問題, 定係琴老師既問題呢? 而家你地個個都話我知係可以咁做....咁我要同老師講番, 等佢知道係可以咁做, 糾正番佢...咁日後, 就可以更加改善到個女既技巧等等喇嘛!

當日比賽, 得一個小朋友彈阿女同一首歌, 嗰個男仔有踩腳掣的....阿女一聽...就同我講: 媽咪...好聽好多呀! 雖然最終嗰個男仔都無獎, 但真係好聽的...踩左同無踩, 分別好大! 坦白講, 呢個鋼琴比賽既參賽者質素, 我覺得....勁過校際的...我地嗰場13個小朋友, 有超過一半係有姿勢有實際, 我同個女都未見過, 真係大開眼界的...雖然佢地都係參加初級組既比賽, 但佢地擁有既技巧, 認真程度, 絕對唔似一個只得1-3級技巧既小朋友, 好厲害! 我亦都好開心阿女可以欣賞到一場咁有睇頭既比賽啊!

同埋大會亦都真係值得一讚, 小朋友雖然輸左, 但依然畀個參與獎牌佢地, 我女傻更更, 掛住個獎牌唔捨得除, 連佢自己都感受到佢既努力無白費到, 完成個比賽之後, 好安心又好滿足! 小朋友好需要認同的, 大會響呢方面真係做得好好!

原帖由 Pianokc 於 09-11-17 22:48 發表
A1 already posted what I want to say.
However, do want to add, parents and teachers MUST realize:

1) Comments made by adjudicators are PURELY one person's opinion. Yes, life is unfair, if you don't a ...

作者: Pianokc 時間: 09-11-18 23:32

Dear 十月媽咪

It's so nice to see what an understanding, and supportive mommy you are.

If you enjoyed that popular class, you should have seen the one today by Mr Phoebus Chan. WOW, amazing talent, and reminds me how much I miss watching him perform in Harbour City.

It's wonderful that the competition can invite such an adjudicator. The competitors today were all superb.... I watched the whole day, what a pleasure and enjoyment it was to listen to all these popular music by intermediate and advanced grades competitors.

I hope we can continue to see this category.... Phoebus Chan said it's the First in Hong Kong.

Just want to mention, being more flexible applies to more popular music than examination pieces and that of the HKSMA competition. Those type of music, I tend to use the edition's markings as closely as possible, if you don't agree with the markings, then don't use that edition because yes, exmaminers and adjudicators of classical music will tend to prefer you to follow as much as possible what is marked.

Good luck to your daughter's continued hard work!

作者: Heidi媽 時間: 09-11-19 07:54

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作者: Pianokc 時間: 09-11-19 12:40

OneMoreDay,

I heard the Preliminary session was a bit rushed last week..... but regarding the one adjudicator for over 30+ competitors, have you been to other competitions ? It's not unreasonable.

Last year, there were about 15-20, I heard parents , OH, too little people, not a REAL competition.

How to satisfy all parents?

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作者: busybusy 時間: 09-11-19 23:33

I agree, the competitor's quality is a lot higher than 校際 even in the violin competition.

作者: kirkma 時間: 09-11-20 18:39

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作者: 洛婷 時間: 09-11-21 00:37

原帖由 Heidi媽 於 09-11-19 07:54 發表
昨天我女兒第一次參加流行曲中級比賽, 這是女自學的一首歌, 沒有期望, 只希望佢嘗試彈些佢自己喜歡的, 不只局限古典音樂, 而她亦幸運地取得優異獎! 在我眼中的廿多位參加者, 一半是中學生, 而大部份的參賽者都彈的相 ...

想問你女女彈邊首流行曲 ???

作者: Heidi媽 時間: 09-11-21 09:49

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作者: 洛婷 時間: 09-11-21 17:24

原帖由 Heidi媽 於 09-11-21 09:49 發表
我女彈崖上的波兒. 原先我買了波兒和天空之城琴譜給她, 她最後揀了波兒作賽, 但現在較喜歡彈天空之城 .

2 首都好聽呀

我原本都想亞女參加依個比賽 , 等可以攞多 d 經驗 ,
不過比賽個費用貴 , 成 400 蚊

所以最後都冇參加 :(

作者: Pianokc 時間: 09-11-21 18:52

Today's session was adjudicated by Lily Hong herself.... !!! It was nice to see her and listen to her talk about the arrangements that she did for this competition.

Phoebus was of course, his wonderful self. The Easy level' s competitors were very good today too !

作者: asinai 時間: 09-11-23 15:07

我女兒今早參加了cello 分級比賽, 佢係第一次參加這個比賽. 可能係比赛考試歌, 我地覺得大部份的參賽者水準都比校際高 & 平均, 安排也算順利, 小女亦幸運地拿了優異獎 (honorable mention). 評判是 Ms Letty Poon, 佢俾左5少 valuable comments 我地, 個人覺得, 作為拿經驗的賽事, 還是值得參加的.

作者: christianmom 時間: 09-11-23 17:30

小兒今早也是參加分級cello比賽，由於他是第一次參加cello比賽，這個比賽給我的感覺很好。我不知道校際的cello比賽安排如何，但校際的鋼琴就真的太多人，等候時間很辛苦。今次的比賽人數不太多，但都是有質數的，adjudicator Ms Poon的意見亦很寶貴，真的不錯。

作者: Pianokc 時間: 09-11-23 20:18

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