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作者: Gooddaddy 時間: 09-10-14 09:39 標題: Good Hope: 45 pupils in a class

Just found out that they cramp 45 students into a classroom commencing current school year. And classes start at 7:30am. I'm starting to dislike it now..

45 people! I'm getting worry that studnents may not be getting enough attention

作者: magiccandy 時間: 09-10-14 09:42

really? How can there be so many students in a class? Most other schools just accomodate 30 students.

作者: parentslove2 時間: 09-10-14 09:49

My daughter is still enjoyed her school life even big class.  It's no problem for her to get attention from her teacher.

On the other hand, I'm really can see student got the attention more from small class.

Do you know how many student in the college, sometimes 120 students listening to the Prof.

If your kid is not pay attention to teacher, no matter how many student, she still not listening.

Do you think the private school can survive if they don't have enough student, they charged HK$3,xxx.00 is inexpensive in Hong Kong.  They try to get more student whose want to study in Good Hope.

Good Hope try to have their own way to teach our girls become a lady.  So they don't want to be DSS and the way similar DGJS.

If you don't really like big class school, Good Hope is not good for your girl.

作者: catcat 時間: 09-10-14 10:07

Sure self-disciplined kids would have no problem paying attention in class. However, can a teacher be able to pay attention to every student and know about her/his individual needs?

College/university is a totally different story. Students are supposed to be self-disciplined and the professor or lecturer would not bother how much the students could receive in the lecture. Besides, for large sized lectures, there are usually tutorial sessions in a much smaller size for helping the students understanding the materials taught in the lectures.

I think smaller class size is the trend of today's education, both teachers and students would benefit from it.

原帖由 parentslove2 於 09-10-14 09:49 發表
My daughter is still enjoyed her school life even big class. It's no problem for her to get attention from her teacher.

On the other hand, I'm really can see student got the attention more from smal ...

作者: judy 時間: 09-10-14 10:09

原帖由 Gooddaddy 於 09-10-14 09:39 發表
Just found out that they cramp 45 students into a classroom commencing current school year. And classes start at 7:30am. I'm starting to dislike it now..

45 people! I'm getting worry that studnents ...

生意幾好噃！

作者: warmsoup4you 時間: 09-10-14 11:04

45??? are you kidding? unbelievable and unacceptable.

作者: Gooddaddy 時間: 09-10-14 11:21

Yes, that's what the school told me over the phone. Anybody knows how many teachers are in a class? What's the teach/no. of students ratio?? I checked with some other schools eg:

KTS & Our Lady are about 30ish
Alliance in Kowloon Tong: 40

I thought the trend is moving towards small class teaching. 45 is way too many.

原帖由 warmsoup4you 於 09-10-14 11:04 發表
45??? are you kidding? unbelievable and unacceptable.

作者: EMILY03 時間: 09-10-14 12:09 標題: 回覆 1# Gooddaddy 的文章

收咁嘅價錢 , 似乎有點兒過份

作者: Bon_Bon_Pa_Pa 時間: 09-10-14 14:45

私校咪算唔贵囉，冇政府资助又起個全新校舍，樣樣要錢。直资如SPCCPS都收$6000個月啦，啱啱起新校舍哽要收貴D補番，係度讀可以亨用新設施哽要付出D嘅！

外国大學最近有一份研究發現小班教學未必好過大班而有分组討論的教學方法。

作者: Gooddaddy 時間: 09-10-15 09:27 標題: Classes start at 7:30am

7:30am is rather too early, especially for families living far away, don't you think??? Getting up at 5:35am is not very good for children in their early years as lack of sleep does affect their learning ability and most importantly their physical growth. As far as I know, GH is the only school that starts so early.

作者: Chole 時間: 09-10-15 11:13

I think same in St Paul's Convent. I heard that they have 44 kids in one class.

作者: AlanShirley 時間: 09-10-15 11:48

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作者: tinkerbell2004 時間: 09-10-15 13:27

Dear parentslove2,

I understand the expenses for the new campus are huge.
How about the number of native speaking teachers available in this school?
If they employ NET for teaching languages, I think more parents will accept this fee.

原帖由 parentslove2 於 09-10-14 09:49 發表
My daughter is still enjoyed her school life even big class. It's no problem for her to get attention from her teacher.

On the other hand, I'm really can see student got the attention more from smal ...

作者: candyb 時間: 09-10-15 14:00

To me, 1:45 is not a good ratio for kids to learn.
We could imagine how many times the children could have the chance to answer teacher's question.
Even they raise up their hands, however, not all the time they could express their own ideas.

I think it really depends on the character of the kids.
If he/she is tough enough, they won't give up an go on to try. However, if they are not that tough, maybe they will give up and stay passive during the lesson, and then became a quiet learner. I don't think it is on the same track of 21st century education.

Besides, if those kids with problem, I am not sure whether the school have enough resources to counsel the kids.

作者: Gooddaddy 時間: 09-10-15 14:10

That's good point. What about discipline. I've seen their secondary students smoke after school. They also don't look polite compared with other girls' schools.

原帖由 candyb 於 09-10-15 14:00 發表
To me, 1:45 is not a good ratio for kids to learn.
We could imagine how many times the children could have the chance to answer teacher's question.
Even they raise up their hands, however, not all t ...

作者: easybring 時間: 09-10-15 14:27

Really....

It's not good.

原帖由 Gooddaddy 於 09-10-15 14:10 發表
That's good point. What about discipline. I've seen their secondary students smoke after school. They also don't look polite compared with other girls' schools.

作者: Gooddaddy 時間: 09-10-15 14:45

Really? why not?

原帖由 easybring 於 09-10-15 14:27 發表
Really.... It's not good.

作者: 猴子爸 時間: 09-10-15 14:47

Gooddaddy, you are asking why smoking is not good?

作者: ShinTeresa 時間: 09-10-15 14:48

我樓下有個女仔讀gh 佢真係全程同佢mami/daddy講好流利既英文

好似竹升妹甘

原帖由 猴子爸 於 09-10-15 14:47 發表
Gooddaddy, you are asking why smoking is not good?

作者: Gooddaddy 時間: 09-10-15 14:52

Oh, I now realized I misunderstood her. I thought she meant "It's not good" in answering Candyb's point. I missed the highlighted blue sentence

原帖由 猴子爸 於 09-10-15 14:47 發表
Gooddaddy, you are asking why smoking is not good?

作者: lola2008 時間: 09-10-15 14:57

都唔吖，我住呢頭好近德望，我經常都見到德望嘅學生行樓下商場，佢哋都好乖，好斯文，就算成班同學一齊，講嘢都唔會大聲，儀容、校服亦好標準，我諗你見到係好個別情況，反而我就見過「音小」中學部嘅學生有你講嘅情形，而且唔只一次。

原帖由 Gooddaddy 於 09-10-15 14:10 發表
That's good point. What about discipline. I've seen their secondary students smoke after school. They also don't look polite compared with other girls' schools.

作者: Gooddaddy 時間: 09-10-15 15:08

My ex-girlfriend graduated from GH primary. She is a smoker and her English was just ok la

原帖由 lola2008 於 09-10-15 14:57 發表
都唔吖，我住呢頭好近德望，我經常都見到德望嘅學生行樓下商場，佢哋都好乖，好斯文，就算成班同學一齊，講嘢都唔會大聲，儀容、校服亦好標準，我諗你見到係好個別情況，反而我就見過「音小」中學部嘅學生有你講嘅情形，而且唔只一次。

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作者: 猴子爸 時間: 09-10-15 15:24

Overall speaking, do you feel good about GH?
The school starts early at 7:30am; the class is too crowded; the students from secondary section that you saw did not look too polite and smoked in the public area; an old girl that you were quite familiar with was a smoker and was just able to speak OK Eng...
the reason why you applied to this school is that it is a good back-up, which is second to DGJS among all private/DSSs on kln side?

原帖由 Gooddaddy 於 09-10-15 15:08 發表
My ex-girlfriend graduated from GH primary. She is a smoker and her English was just ok la

作者: kittylock 時間: 09-10-15 15:27

人數小左 = 仲惡教左, 因為班學生好鬼naughty

人數多左 = 易d教？因為班學生冇咁naughty

唔明個 logic!!

原帖由 AlanShirley 於 09-10-15 11:48 發表
我覺得傳統教學係上堂較小作interactive, 所以大細班唔係一個main issue, 而main issue係呢班小朋友有無discipline. 有老師同我講而家班人數小左, 但仲惡教左, 因為班學生好鬼naughty.

作者: wootaitai 時間: 09-10-15 15:34

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作者: 猴子爸 時間: 09-10-15 15:35

How do you know he didn't go out with her when she was still studying at GH?

原帖由 wootaitai 於 09-10-15 15:34 發表
smoker when she grew up (in college) is quite different than smoking in secondary school bor...

作者: Gooddaddy 時間: 09-10-15 15:36

Yeah, sort of; I'm more keen on girls school. How about you, you seemed just focusing on YW, DBS and TSL, not interested in any others??

原帖由 猴子爸 於 09-10-15 15:24 發表
Overall speaking, do you feel good about GH?
The school starts early at 7:30am; the class is too crowded; the students from secondary section that you saw did not look too polite and smoked in the pu ...

作者: wootaitai 時間: 09-10-15 15:42

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作者: 猴子爸 時間: 09-10-15 15:43

Like you, I prefer boys' schools for my son, actually. I believe boys' schools have higher tolerence for active/naughty boys. Yes, we will also try others as back up if we fail to get to the final at those ultracompetitive schools.

原帖由 Gooddaddy 於 09-10-15 15:36 發表
Yeah, sort of; I'm more keen on girls school. How about you, you seemed just focusing on YW, DBS and TSL, not interested in any others??

作者: 猴子爸 時間: 09-10-15 15:44

Oh yes, I missed that word... logically, it still makes sense, but i hope not...

原帖由 wootaitai 於 09-10-15 15:42 發表
he said primary school ma...

作者: Gooddaddy 時間: 09-10-15 15:46

She had told me before that she used to sneak out from school to smoke. She was a naughty and adventurous type of girl, but she did give me one of the best (and bad) time.

原帖由 wootaitai 於 09-10-15 15:34 發表
smoker when she grew up (in college) is quite different than smoking in secondary school bor...

作者: wootaitai 時間: 09-10-15 15:59

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作者: smartcar 時間: 09-10-15 16:33

For the behaviour in single sex school, I have no much perference or beleive which is better over the others.

However, single sex school would not tolerate higher for trouble character. Boy assault another boy in YW would be grave sin...all boys were learnt since P.1 as they are brothers. The penality would be kicked out from school.

45 : 1 is kind of hugh class and oppose to current small class trend.

But we are customer and the one who pay the tuition. the school did not point you a gun, right?

作者: 猴子爸 時間: 09-10-15 16:57

I don't think any school can accept such violent behavior. But "坐定定" "strictly keep silent" 这一类，我相信还是有不同的接受程度。

作者: tinkerbell2004 時間: 09-10-15 19:48

Do anyone know the importance of language development in this school?
Some mentioned that the students in this school were good in English.
Any & how many NET are a/v in GH?

作者: childrenfirst 時間: 09-10-16 01:29

45 students in a class? it's far too much! the group dynamic will be completely different from a 28 or 30 people class. Only the best and the worst will be noticed and the majority will become the "quiet group". Don't think it catch the standard and expectations nowadays.

作者: grDaddy 時間: 09-10-16 09:19 標題: 回覆 19# ShinTeresa 的文章

會唔會佢屋企本身就係講英文架?
如果唔係的話, 佢都未必會全程同父母講英文.
始終難以相信只得少量net teacher的學校可以教出竹昇英文.

有冇人可以話啤我知德望的spoken english係咪真係好好. 如果係的話, 係靠學校亦或係靠家庭的支援? D學生係講好好的本地英文亦或近似竹昇英文?

作者: grDaddy 時間: 09-10-16 09:22

會唔會佢屋企本身就係講英文架?
如果唔係的話, 佢都未必會全程同父母講英文.
始終難以相信只得少量net teacher的學校可以教出竹昇英文.

有冇人可以話啤我知德望的spoken english係咪真係好好. 如果係的話, 係靠學校亦或係靠家庭的支援? D學生係講好好的本地英文亦或近似竹昇英文?

作者: tinkerbell2004 時間: 09-10-16 20:40

If all the family can speak English fluently, the child would more likely to have good English development.

作者: junior_pam 時間: 09-10-17 17:13 標題: Very bad of Good Hope School

Dear all,
You are all correct that the kids and parents have to wake up very early every morning because the schooling time starts at 7:30 a.m.
Yes, you are right that the teacher to pupil is 1 to 45. It is very crowd and attention to pupils is very very limited.
Yes, Good Hope School have the black sheep e.g. smokers, drug addicts or drinker.
Anything I miss and what else? Overall, bad bad......

Kind sharing only:
What the elite schools are eager to accept is the independent, proactive and high frustration tolerating pupils but not the attention seeking pupils and parents. Independent personality should be habituated in the primary school. I contemplate that no parents want their kids to depend on parents. Of course, reasonable and kind enquiry are very welcomed by school.
The classroom is very spacious and new. 50 pupils can be studied together even.

Last week, I have joined the picnic organized by Teacher-Parents Association for primary one. I can surely sense the love and enthusiam from the parents of Good Hoper.

If the time is too early, I think the school may not fit to your family because the family commitment and support are very vital in all aspects. Same to pupils, teacher need to wake up more earlier but they stay themselves in school, Why?

Homework is abundant but easy to complete.

Smoker.... How about the La salle' college of drug addicting? How about DBS and Queen's college of stealing? Black sheeps are everywhere. Try to think about your secondary school life. How many of them?

Thus, let it be that many environmental factors are uncontrollable and future of that who will know.
Family education is golden rule of nuturing your lovely kids.

At least, my kid studies happily.
Regards

[ 本帖最後由 junior_pam 於 09-10-17 17:21 編輯 ]

作者: Gooddaddy 時間: 09-10-17 17:37

We are not talking about attention grabbing students; we are talking about those students who need help because they unable to follow well in class. In this situation, I don't think the teacher will be able to give sufficient assistence/ attention to the students concerned given that there are 45 students in a classroom. I think the optimum no of students in a class is around 36 just lilke DGJS.

I don't understand why the school does not adjust its school hours after they have changed to a full-day school. They don't seem to concern about families living far away.

Of course, you would feel a sense of love and enthusiasm during PTA outiing, if you don't, then there must be a big problem with that school.

Yes, there are black sheeps everywhere but most of them are found in Goodhope. Don't ask me why, again it's just rumour>

原帖由 junior_pam 於 09-10-17 17:13 發表
Dear all,
You are all correct that the kids and parents have to wake up very early every morning because the schooling time starts at 7:30 a.m.
Yes, you are right that the teacher to pupils is 1 to 45 ...

作者: junior_pam 時間: 09-10-17 18:26

Just counting the ratio you are absouletly right in this sense. But, it is also relying on the quality of teachers and schools. If the governing policy of school is well-established, it should be less likely happend on what you stated in your comment.

For black sheep, if say so, I have no idea. I may say DGJS, Scared Heart, Heep Yan, St Rosa, Maryknoll, St Mary..... are better. They may not have any black sheep in school.

Final judement that you are right

Just a kind sharing.

原帖由 Gooddaddy 於 09-10-17 17:37 發表
We are not talking about attention grabbing students; we are talking about those students who need help because they unable to follow well in class. In this situation, I don't think the teacher will ...

作者: Bon_Bon_Pa_Pa 時間: 09-10-17 18:40

Why Good Hope class start early at 7:30am because the school arrange all the academic lecture classes conducted in the morning. After lunch, the classes are mainly to guide the pupils to do the home work; tutorial classes; and some sport or leisure activity classes. This arrangement can let the pupils finish most of the home work at school with the guidance of teachers. I think this arrangement is quite good where the children can have more time for other extra-activities after school.

作者: Gooddaddy 時間: 09-10-17 19:02

This sounds very positive and reassuring. If kids have to start at 7:30am, they would be exhausted by the time they got home. So if they can finish most of the homework at school by the teachers' guidance, then that's a good thing.

原帖由 Bon_Bon_Pa_Pa 於 09-10-17 18:40 發表
Why Good Hope class start early at 7:30am because the school arrange all the academic lecture classes conducted in the morning. After lunch, the classes are mainly to guide the pupils to do the home w ...

作者: smartcar 時間: 09-10-18 15:31

For the 40+ student in one class, my wife told me that it was tradition since she was student at GH. There was 40+ in one class twenty years ago as well as the timetable.

作者: w_y 時間: 09-10-18 15:45

因為呢個原因, 我放棄申請 (kg). 45 人真係太多啦, 仲要係私校. 雖然佢個 campus 真係好吸引. 我有鄰居讀緊, 看起來都係好乖女文靜的.

去到 tertiary level, 幾百人一班上課常有的事, 但小學我就唔係咁想囉.

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