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作者: mimame 時間: 09-9-30 22:33 標題: Questions about Applying 直資 / 私立學校

Hello Daddies and Mummies,

I have got some questions regarding applying for 直資 / 私立學校. Anyone can help?

(1) Father's and Mother's occupation
Is there any reference / validity check? How the school can verify whether I am a CEO or a tea lady of a company? Or they simply trust what I have filled in?

(2) Catholic and Christian
If I take my kid to a church to become a Catholic, can I go to another one to become a Christian? Again, is there any check?

(3) Portfolio
Should I use English or Chinese to prepare the portfolio? Is there any sample to share?

MANY THANKS!

作者: Tinko 時間: 09-10-1 01:24

事實：
“虛假文書”係刑事罪行。即係你填d明知係假既資料落份form度交俾人，即熟違法！

意見：
送子女入學都係要教好子女，包括學術上和品格上。如果其身不正，弄虛作假，就算俾你入倒最top既名校都氣。

（以上所言只係針對有關行為，並非針對樓主。）

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作者: mimame 時間: 09-10-1 21:18 標題: Occupation information in the portfolio

I am unemployed for 2 years now and I don't wanna to affect my kid of getting into a good primary school. So I plan to put in my previous company and previous job title. Or I will put freelance or self-employed. If I put unemployed, don't think anyone will give my kid an offer, right?

So anyone knows how the school will verify the occupation information in the portfolio?

MANY THANKS!

原帖由 Tinko 於 09-10-1 01:24 發表
事實：
“虛假文書”係刑事罪行。即係你填d明知係假既資料落份form度交俾人，即熟違法！

意見：
送子女入學都係要教好子女，包括學術上和品格上。如果其身不正，弄虛作假，就算俾你入倒最top既名校都氣。

（以上所言只係針對有關 ...

作者: Tinko 時間: 09-10-2 01:12

學校check吾check父母職業/位的真確性真係吾敢講，但學校就非常有可能問你仔女"你爸媽做乜野架"，咁你係味教你仔女講大話先？加埋刑事責任既風險，我真係吾讚成填假野。

調番轉頭諗，如果爸媽其中一方無做野但就全職照顧小朋友，即係屋企對小朋友既support多左，咁學校味仲中意！

作者: kerkermui 時間: 09-10-2 06:33

樓主~
如果你係媽媽, 你應該填housewife(高尚過CEO啦!), 唔係unemployed喎~
我知有d小學鍾意全職媽媽架!

作者: Gooddaddy 時間: 09-10-2 09:14

My advice to you is as follows:

(1) Whether the school has any checks is not important, what is important is that you should come clean at the outset.

(2) You suggested action will disrespect the Catholic and Christian religions. You should be ashamed of yourself asking such question.

(3) Is'nt it rather late now to consider this question. Given that you've been out of work for two years, you shoud have thought about this long time ago. Whether the portlio is in english or chinese is irrelevant since you already have ethical problems with yourself.

Sorry for being unable to help you but I really find your post disturbing.

原帖由 mimame 於 09-9-30 22:33 發表
Hello Daddies and Mummies,

I have got some questions regarding applying for 直資 / 私立學校. Anyone can help?

(1) Father's and Mother's occupation
Is there any reference / validity check? How the ...

作者: LokYauYau 時間: 09-10-2 09:38

Absolutely agreed especially (2) You suggested action will disrespect the Catholic and Christian religions. You should be ashamed of yourself asking such question.

你仲咁公開當完全唔覺有問題咁去問呢度d家長,我真係唔知你一直灌輸緊個乜野價值觀俾你個小朋友.....?!

我唔歧視人unemployed,好多人都唔想咁,亦唔阻你試報,但你講你自己unemployed instead of 全心做家庭主婦,即係話你需要幫補家計啦,既然係咁,點解仲要千方百計,扭盡六壬都要入要俾$讀的 DSS or private school呢?

你想清楚吧! 就算要考,請你光明磊落一點,否則只會遺禍下一代,一個又一個大話,只會令他們抬不起頭

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作者: idy926 時間: 09-10-2 10:59

一問小朋友就穿啦！你諗住叫小朋友講大話呀？吾知你點解釋番比小朋友知呢？
全職家庭主婦咪仲大機會！

作者: G-Ma 時間: 09-10-2 11:46

身教緊要過言教, 以身作則係做父母既責任, 誠實d好.

作者: mimame 時間: 09-10-2 21:53

Of course I know being a housewife is what schools like. But I am an unemployed FATHER. I feel pressure to put this into the form.

I never think I cannot get back to job market for that long .... thanks to this financial tsunami !

原帖由 kerkermui 於 09-10-2 06:33 發表
樓主~
如果你係媽媽, 你應該填housewife(高尚過CEO啦!), 唔係unemployed喎~
我知有d小學鍾意全職媽媽架!

作者: gingerale 時間: 09-10-2 22:03

Sorry to hear about your situation.  I have a friend who is the same as you, except that his kid was admitted to a top subsidized school in their district last year.
You may simply leave the informatoin blank on the application form.  From what I know from my friends who are teachers in some DSS/private schools, they actually don't pay too much attention on the parent's occupation.
Good luck on your job hunting.

原帖由 mimame 於 09-10-2 21:53 發表
Of course I know being a housewife is what schools like. But I am an unemployed FATHER. I feel pressure to put this into the form.

I never think I cannot get back to job market for that long .... tha ...

[ 本帖最後由 gingerale 於 09-10-2 22:04 編輯 ]

作者: mimame 時間: 09-10-2 22:04

2 years for a man with no income .... how to face the parents/parents-in-law, neighbors, security guards, friends, ex-colleagues .... don't think any of you will understand unless it really happened to you.

My district has no reputable/band 1 schools, hence I need to go for DSS/ private schools, nothing related to whether I have income or not. Used up all my savings .... I can earn again later in my life. But if my kid misses an opportunity to go to a good school, this will ruin his/her whole life.

I myself also feel sorry of asking question 2. In fact, I have not made up my mind to get a certificate from a Catholic or a Christian church for my kid. Only K2 now, I can still think for some more time.

原帖由 LokYauYau 於 09-10-2 09:38 發表
Absolutely agreed especially (2) You suggested action will disrespect the Catholic and Christian religions. You should be ashamed of yourself asking such question.

你仲咁公開當完全唔覺有問題咁去問呢 ...

作者: mimame 時間: 09-10-2 22:11

I also think of that 你爸媽做乜野架. In fact, in these 2 years, I successfully sold goods in yahoo/e-bay, though tiny amounts and only few times...obviously not enough to support daily expenses. I feel ashamed to put this into the form, also it will be difficult to explain to the kid what you are actually doing.

原帖由 Tinko 於 09-10-2 01:12 發表
學校check吾check父母職業/位的真確性真係吾敢講，但學校就非常有可能問你仔女"你爸媽做乜野架"，咁你係味教你仔女講大話先？加埋刑事責任既風險，我真係吾讚成填假野。

調番轉頭諗，如果爸媽其中一方無做野但就全職照顧小 ...

作者: LokYauYau 時間: 09-10-2 23:28

睇你寫英文都叫有紋有路, 好難想像你unemployed 2年, 馬死落地行, 乜野工都可以做住先....好過"死充", financial tsunami 連好多director/professional 都死, 失業在今時今日唔係唔見得人,係可以諒解,最緊要係"有尊嚴"

如果你有信心可以afford得到, 唔使傾家盪產去供個仔讀書,DSS/private school 都係options........

以前,有朋友家境唔好,佢媽媽又搞到佢入某貴族小学,書包、補充練習、生日會等等,一家人生活更捉襟見肘....何苦?

Anyway, 祝找到份好工,孩子精乖伶俐

最後,我想重申 "I have not made up my mind to get a certificate from a Catholic or a Christian church for my kid" 都係錯, 揀乜野 catholic or christian? get 乜野 cert ? 咁既思想好不要得

作者: mimame 時間: 09-10-3 00:01

Time flies, it's going to be 2 years by end of this month. I also don't believe it, but this is a fact. I got Master Degree from UK, and I studied in band-1 school in Kowloon Tong, so what? Even if I'm willing to cut half of my salary, people still think I am unfit for the job, either too senior or out of the market for too long. But I gain my relationship with the kids which money cannot "buy"...

I studied in a Catholic school before and my wife studied in a Christian school, so we have many Catholic and Christian friends. We have witnessed Catholic and Christian people have a more generous heart/ mindset, so I reckon getting a cert for the kids is not just for applying schools, but also good for their future/ growth.

原帖由 LokYauYau 於 09-10-2 23:28 發表
睇你寫英文都叫有紋有路, 好難想像你unemployed 2年, 馬死落地行, 乜野工都可以做住先....好過"死充", financial tsunami 連好多director/professional 都死, 失業在今時今日唔係唔見得人,係可以諒解,最緊要係"有尊 ...

作者: wootaitai 時間: 09-10-3 00:18

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作者: Bunnytown 時間: 09-10-3 00:31

Where do you live? if you live in Kln, wants to apply DSS/Private even though with little financial difficulty, I suggest one DSS which is quite new but my friend's son is now studiying there, it's a new type of active learning school with strong emphasis in English, it's called "Po Leung Kok Lam Man Chan" in To Kwa Wan, it is heading to PLK Tan Siu Lin's path.

If you prefer traditional elite Catholic/Christian schools that's another story, you might need to spend more time to well prepare your kid to be smart and outstanding during interviews to offset your weakness.

作者: Tinko 時間: 09-10-3 01:25

我吾覺得做全職爸爸有乜吾妥，佢同全職媽媽有乜分別？我地睇呢件事應該都要有d男女平等既胸襟。前排無線先播過兩個全職爸爸既故事，幾好呀。

當然，樓主做全職爸爸係為勢所逼，不過人生起伏好正常，兩年搵吾倒工，只要光明磊落，壓力一定有，自卑則大可不必。

我諗你可以如實寫番你上一份工既資料落去，但寫明係“前任”，衣家就係全職爸爸。

我都相信大部分學校都吾會放太多比重o係父母既職業上，小朋友既表現同性格始終最重要。千其吾好以為自已既職業咁具決定性，張所有結果攬上身。我吾信你填CEO你小朋友就間間學校都入硬。

作者: hui3328 時間: 09-10-3 14:02 標題: 回覆 1# Tinko 的文章

我勸呢位家長, 替子女選校是其次, 不要太迷信小學對孩子的一生有多大的影響.

反而你要在子女面前樹立榜樣, 努力搵工作, 天無絕人之路. 既然你有碩士學位, 為什麼不能放下身段, 就算搵一份幾千元的工, 也好過坐在家裡. 去做地產經紀, 做保險, 或去超市作一毎收銀員, 都好過坐在家裡.

作者: ChiChiPaPa 時間: 09-10-3 15:29

原帖由 mimame 於 09-10-2 21:53 發表
Of course I know being a housewife is what schools like. But I am an unemployed FATHER. I feel pressure to put this into the form.

I never think I cannot get back to job market for that long .... tha ...

唔係叫 unemployed FATHER，應該係 homemaker。其實我覺得 housewife 一詞帶有家庭崗位歧視色彩，夫婦應該共同努力照顧家庭和孩子。學歷高唔一定要把事業放在家庭之前。

作者: Gooddaddy 時間: 09-10-3 17:10

a homemaker is usually a woman who spends a lot of time looking after her home and family. it would sound odd if it applied to a man. i think it's best to come clean and avoid using euphemism to cover something.

原帖由 ChiChiPaPa 於 09-10-3 15:29 發表

唔係叫 unemployed FATHER，應該係 homemaker。其實我覺得 housewife 一詞帶有家庭崗位歧視色彩，夫婦應該共同努力照顧家庭和孩子。學歷高唔一定要把事業放在家庭之前。 ...

作者: ChiChiPaPa 時間: 09-10-3 17:22

原帖由 Gooddaddy 於 09-10-3 17:10 發表
a homemaker is usually a woman who spends a lot of time looking after her home and family. it would sound odd if it applied to a man. i think it's best to come clean and avoid using euphemism to cover ...

那你建議全職爸爸的英文名詞會否係Househusband?

作者: Gooddaddy 時間: 09-10-3 17:40

i would simply write *unemployed* in the form coz this is what the term refers to. it looks odd if you write something like: *General Manager (last job or previouly)* or *ex-XXXX*. this may invite follow-up questions from the interviewer.

原帖由 ChiChiPaPa 於 09-10-3 17:22 發表

那你建議全職爸爸的英文名詞會否係Househusband?

作者: ChiChiPaPa 時間: 09-10-3 18:02

原帖由 Gooddaddy 於 09-10-3 17:40 發表
i would simply write *unemployed* in the form coz this is what the term refers to. it looks odd if you write something like: *General Manager (last job or previouly)* or *ex-XXXX*. this may invite fo ...

所以不是字眼的問題。會不會你是不認同homemaker的工作價值？是不是覺得男人不應當homemaker，也不可以叫homemaker。

你可以看一看以下一篇文章，不是人人都覺得homemaker 不及其他工作的價值：

What's a homemaker worth? The shocking truth

http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/CollegeandFamily/P46800.asp

或許有一天，我未到退休時，也想轉做homemaker，希望到時不會有人對我說，我只能在職業上寫上unemployed。

作者: Gooddaddy 時間: 09-10-3 22:28

i dunno what you wanabout. the threadstarter didn't quit his job to become a homemaker. he was laid off and has been unable to find a job ever since. As mentioned by other members here, we, as parents, should set example for children by being honest with it. Do you really think the school will be impressed by someone who put homemaker in the application form? I don't think so. But if the threadstarter puts down as unemployed, the school will at least acknowledge him as a honest father.

作者: wootaitai 時間: 09-10-3 23:46

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作者: rachncurtsmom 時間: 09-10-4 15:40

原帖由 ChiChiPaPa 於 09-10-3 17:22 發表

那你建議全職爸爸的英文名詞會否係Househusband?

Househusband is a term used in the western countries, nothing special. It's just that in Chinese culture, it is not so common for a father to stay home to look after children. There's really nothing wrong with it.

作者: rachncurtsmom 時間: 09-10-4 15:42

If it were my husband, I would suggest him put "self-employed" or something like that. I wouldn't exactly put CEO or homemaker.

作者: chingmon 時間: 09-10-4 17:02

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作者: Tinko 時間: 09-10-4 17:59

樓主既問題始終在於恥於（向學校）承認自已兩年多以來既真正身分——全職爸爸（full time dady, homemaker, househusband…）。

樓主講過：“Used up all my savings .... I can earn again later in my life. But if my kid misses an opportunity to go to a good school, this will ruin his/her whole life.”可見樓主非常疼愛子女，在兩年多吾使返工既日子裹，想必有更多既親子時間和更好既親子關系，樓主既孩子因而在生命既起始階段擁有更多與爸爸一起既珍貴回憶。樓主既孩子係有福既，因為樓主（自兩年前起）係“全職爸爸”（不論緣於客觀定主觀原因）。

樓主也講過：“Of course I know being a housewife is what schools like. But I am an unemployed FATHER. I feel pressure to put this into the form.” 好明顯，如果樓主係女人，問題已經解決。

“男主外、女主內”真係一種很根深蒂故既社會觀念 (stereotype)。傳統上，男人吾返工一定有問題，男人湊仔一定係無出色，吃“軟飯”，甚至無能。男人因為返工而“吾得閒”照顧小朋友係勤奮負責天經地義，因為照顧小朋友而吾返工就癡線懶惰大逆不道。

傳統上，女人吾返工就係盡賢妻良毋既責任，就係因為男人有本事賺得多。女人因為返工而“吾得閒”照顧小朋友就有需要檢討，因為照顧小朋友而吾返工就係偉大犧牲值得嘉許。

有無諗過點解男人個priority一定要事業先於家庭和親子？點解女人先有權揀家庭和親子為先？點解一模一樣既行為男人做就癡線女人做就偉大？有無諗過在教育與就業機會都大致男女平等既今日，基於不同既實際原因，傳統男女角色點解吾可以靈活互調，以便優勢互補？男人點解吾可以做全職爸爸？

在今日講通識、講獨立而理性思考、講質素生活，我地能否不再囿於成見，痛快地活出自我，表現真正既自已。

一念天堂，一念地獄。思想既困局解決了，其它既問題也船到橋頭。

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作者: rachncurtsmom 時間: 09-10-5 00:36

原帖由 chingmon 於 09-10-4 17:02 發表
學校面試時會問小朋友有關家長的職業,小朋友知阿爸無番工(已經2年),到時會點回答?

I don't know about other children, but if the interviewer asks my daughter what daddy does for a living, she would probably go blank. She only knows daddy goes to work. She has no idea what he does and she absolutely doesn't know that he's the boss. Mmmm...... maybe I should start telling her.

作者: JESSTIFF 時間: 09-10-5 10:40

sir,

you are well educated and i am sure when you have a chance to meet with the principals during interviews, they can tell.  one year or two years out of job is not the end of the world.  on average, people work for 35~ years until they retire.  why must people work non-stop (for whatever reasons)? some people take a break (e.g. few years) to rethink and repathe their lives by will, whereas some people want to work but are just temporarily out of job.

schools welcome educated parents, as long as you don't default payment of school fees!

you need to be possible! what to put down on the form would not be my concern, i would be more concerned whether i could really afford the school fee in long run. (hope for the best, plan for the worst.)  if eventually you need to ask your kid(s) to quit the school because you really can't afford anymore, it might be even tougher for them to adjust to an aided school.

many middle-class people send their kids to aided schools (not the top schools everyone fights for), so why should you feel bad if you have to put your kid(s) in local school which is not band 1? if you are a band 1 parent, your kid will be a band 1 kid. let him/her study there, keep up with his/her good work, apply for a good secondary school!

原帖由 mimame 於 09-10-3 00:01 發表
Time flies, it's going to be 2 years by end of this month. I also don't believe it, but this is a fact. I got Master Degree from UK, and I studied in band-1 school in Kowloon Tong, so what? Even if I' ...

作者: jaycee_mami 時間: 09-10-5 10:49

你不如疊埋心水等大抽獎, 報津官校吧,

你的區分無top的band 1, 但我估計, band 1或band 2的, 應該實有. 條條大路通羅馬, 讀普通小學唔代表上唔到名牌中學和大學.

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