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作者: andyc2001hk 時間: 09-9-26 01:16 標題: 交小一入學伸請表估唔到有咁多新移民
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作者: wang-wang 時間: 09-9-26 01:31 標題: 回覆 1# andyc2001hk 的文章
你交邊間學校呀？
作者: babyboysngirls 時間: 09-9-26 02:28
就好似當年去健康院時發覺好多都是新移民,有好多只來香港生完仔,幾年後又回來讀書.香港學校overload了!搞到爭到死,吓吓又要揾私校 back up,現在做家長,真的好疲倦!希望大家好運! I am still thinking what to do!!
作者: totoro 時間: 09-9-26 08:03
唔識填？！ 份list有教點填喎！ 再唔識點解唔返幼稚請教老師教呢！
我都係跟份list好像執藥咁執落個file， 如無意外星期一交。
原帖由 babyboysngirls 於 09-9-26 02:28 發表 
就好似當年去健康院時發覺好多都是新移民,有好多只來香港生完仔,幾年後又回來讀書.香港學校overload了!搞到爭到死,吓吓又要揾私校 back up,現在做家長,真的好疲倦!希望大家好運! I am still thinking what to do!! ...
作者: MARSTEN 時間: 09-9-26 08:31
呢個topic真係好唔惦,新移民都係人黎架,點解係呢個年代重有香港人戴有色眼鏡去睇人架,如果你移民去外國咩都唔識,人地又咁睇你你會有咩感覺呢??? 大家都係中國人,雖然有好多野唔同,但係大家都要適應下,我唔覺得新移民有咩野,大把新移民既仔女讀書叻過香港人,唔通你怕人地叻過你既仔女?? 
作者: lauerica 時間: 09-9-26 09:08
原帖由 MARSTEN 於 09-9-26 08:31 發表
呢個topic真係好唔惦,新移民都係人黎架,點解係呢個年代重有香港人戴有色眼鏡去睇人架,如果你移民去外國咩都唔識,人地又咁睇你你會有咩感覺呢??? 大家都係中國人,雖然有好多野唔同,但係大家都要適應下,我唔覺得新移民 ...
D家長唔係怕佢地讀書叻過自已D仔女，
係怕佢地爭哂D學位。
作者: tracytang 時間: 09-9-26 11:14
原帖由 lauerica 於 09-9-26 09:08 發表
D家長唔係怕佢地讀書叻過自已D仔女，
係怕佢地爭哂D學位。
同意. 政府backup又唔夠, 依家仲要變小班教學, 學位變得更緊張
作者: wilter 時間: 09-9-26 13:22
我本人唔覺得 "新移民" 有乜問題, 不過 "唔識" 絕對唔係藉口!
原帖由 MARSTEN 於 09-9-26 08:31 發表
呢個topic真係好唔惦,新移民都係人黎架,點解係呢個年代重有香港人戴有色眼鏡去睇人架,如果你移民去外國咩都唔識,人地又咁睇你你會有咩感覺呢??? 大家都係中國人,雖然有好多野唔同,但係大家都要適應下,我唔覺得新移民 ...
作者: a@o@a 時間: 09-9-26 13:36
小班教學, 學位太緊張, 才會這樣想
作者: sunnygirl 時間: 09-9-26 14:14
原帖由 andyc2001hk 於 09-9-26 01:16 發表
今日交Form, 但係10個人居然有４個係新移民家庭. 佢地又帶唔齋資料.....例如冇住址証明...英文唔識填.....等等......最慘佢地又唔做足功課乜都唔知要個職員教好耐, 拘到我蛇去交Form遲大到. 唉........依家大陸人連市 ...
我都遇到呢個情形，真係有d愕然！
作者: rachncurtsmom 時間: 09-9-26 14:40
原帖由 sunnygirl 於 09-9-26 14:14 發表
我都遇到呢個情形，真係有d愕然！
我之前都有點愕然，好似我喺醫院生仔，有身穿民族服装嘅人喺頭等病房出入，當然係大陸來嘅；所以黎得香港生，好大機會黎香港讀書。
作者: babie2 時間: 09-9-26 14:49
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作者: tracytang 時間: 09-9-26 14:53
Yes. I also hear that from the China people.
原帖由 babie2 於 09-9-26 14:49 發表
I only despise the HK govt that 'induces' these situations without good planning for the supporting infrastructure (sufficient good schools, and medical etc).
My friend from Shanghai said her frien ...
作者: [[]] 時間: 09-9-26 21:58
(有些在hk生是為個額)我有次在浸會聽到一個產婦,係咁話咁樣好低,她在hk開埋刀都係用了8萬,如果在深圳佢比人罰十五萬;其實我估樓主唔係歧視大陸人,只係唔鐘意那些唔多重視教育(要嘜資料都唔知,只係知---唔洗錢)而又可佔到大熱學位,除時仲要取埋綜援,書簿津貼那種大陸人,我99那兒已有幾伙,考入大眾的心儀學校,但父母却不會理功課,只會打牌......
作者: CY2004 時間: 09-9-26 22:05
原帖由 MARSTEN 於 09-9-26 08:31 發表
呢個topic真係好唔惦,新移民都係人黎架,點解係呢個年代重有香港人戴有色眼鏡去睇人架,如果你移民去外國咩都唔識,人地又咁睇你你會有咩感覺呢??? 大家都係中國人,雖然有好多野唔同,但係大家都要適應下,我唔覺得新移民 ...
完全同意~ 你父母,呀爺,太爺都可能係新移民黎HK,
你先做到香港人.....
作者: andyc2001hk 時間: 09-9-27 01:23 標題: 呢個topic真係好唔惦,新移民都係人...
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作者: MARSTEN 時間: 09-9-27 09:26
我都唔係大陸人,不過你唔識包容人lor...
另外你生得個小朋友就預左要去交form,呢d同你時間寶唔寶貴係兩會事,或者你覺得番工既時間重要過你既小朋友??真係唔明...
十隻手指都有長短啦~唔只大陸人唔識填,就算好多香港人都唔係個個填對哂~咁去到又要填過lor,有咩出奇呢,係因為人地阻住你既寶貴時間你先起呢個topic?? 咁你有冇問過阻住你既人係咪全部都係新移民呢???" 咁你有無後悔去呢間學校呢?可能第日有好多機會見到"新移民"家長,你頂得順至好呀~
原帖由 andyc2001hk 於 09-9-27 01:23 發表
我一句都冇提過歧視大陸人, 你唔好對號入座. 我只係話點解嚟報名乜都唔準備好仲要人教(唔係一個, 係個個都有問題), 香港返工時間好寶貴, 唔係人人可以office hour 好relax 咁去交Form.
大家仔女都係香港人, 大家都 ...
作者: MARSTEN 時間: 09-9-27 09:30
原帖由 CY2004 於 09-9-26 22:05 發表
完全同意~ 你父母,呀爺,太爺都可能係新移民黎HK,
你先做到香港人.....
作者: brian61950 時間: 09-9-27 13:10
佢地真係一d都唔講得笑,小兒一年級時,有個同學應該係叩門入來的(第一次登記時只去到38號,後來他是41號,照英文姓名C排應該很前),他的成績一直都很好,但廣東話識聽唔識講,最後全級第二名,二年級插入了一間更好的學校了.
為人父母(上一代),未必個個都有機會接受良好的教育,有能力時,自然想比最好的給子女.
人同此心姐.
但排外心理全世界都係咁上下啦,人地究唔鐘意你班友去劍橋牛津啦.
作者: dora媽 時間: 09-9-27 22:54
我完全同意!!!!!你呢個topic好有問題!!
你字里行間都是歧視哽大陸新移民!!!哇‧如果你第日入到這間學校(入面多數是低級新移民)唔係好唔襯你??想吓第ニ間高竇點的小學襯番你好啲!!!
原帖由 MARSTEN 於 09-9-27 09:26 發表
我都唔係大陸人,不過你唔識包容人lor...
另外你生得個小朋友就預左要去交form,呢d同你時間寶唔寶貴係兩會事,或者你覺得番工既時間重要過你既小朋友??真係唔明...
十隻手指都有長短啦~唔只大陸人唔識填,就 ...
作者: MARSTEN 時間: 09-9-27 23:36
原帖由 dora媽 於 09-9-27 22:54 發表
我完全同意!!!!!你呢個topic好有問題!!
你字里行間都是歧視哽大陸新移民!!!哇‧如果你第日入到這間學校(入面多數是低級新移民)唔係好唔襯你??想吓第ニ間高竇點的小學襯番你好啲!!!
...
作者: ziyi 時間: 09-9-28 12:06
可能你自己唔覺啦,但字裡行間真的有
我也是土生土長的香港人,外國讀U,駐國內7年,在外國又好,在國內又好,接觸不同的國內居民,有一些好有禮貌,反而,香港也有一些人無禮貌,所以我同我妻子(國內大學畢業的)說國內同香港同世界都沒有太大分別,有好人,有壞人,都在同一天空下
你遲到當然可憐,但要責怪的應該是政府或學校,為什麼不可以容許星期六交表,而非去責怪較你之前到的人,無論她們/他們是否新移民
如我住TKO,之前得一間HSBC,排2個小時都未到,約了人,有什麼辦法,唔同我去怪排在我前的人在counter問了1個小時投資嗎?只可怪自己,為什麼不早過他
原帖由 andyc2001hk 於 09-9-27 01:23 發表
我一句都冇提過歧視大陸人, 你唔好對號入座. 我只係話點解嚟報名乜都唔準備好仲要人教(唔係一個, 係個個都有問題), 香港返工時間好寶貴, 唔係人人可以office hour 好relax 咁去交Form.
大家仔女都係香港人, 大家都 ...
作者: Kittymummy 時間: 09-9-28 12:10
我個女間學校都有學生既父母係大陸人, 但係佢既仔女成績好鬼勁.有d父母本身係國內既中醫 ~ 
作者: @x@ 時間: 09-9-28 12:33
原帖由 andyc2001hk 於 09-9-27 01:23 發表
我一句都冇提過歧視大陸人, 你唔好對號入座. 我只係話點解嚟報名乜都唔準備好仲要人教(唔係一個, 係個個都有問題), 香港返工時間好寶貴, 唔係人人可以office hour 好relax 咁去交Form.
大家仔女都係香港人, 大家都 ...
我明明地你想講咩，不過你表達得不太合適才比人"圍嘔"。。。
我絕對同意你講d人(不分香港人或新移民)，去到校務處先比個老師問：
1. 點解你個簽名係你老公，但住址係你個名？
答: o下？唔得嘎？o甘點算啊？我係他老婆喔！！！
2. 又或者問：你其實想報上午校定下午校？
答：o甘上下午有咩唔同？
3. 去到直頭拿住份未填的表，想問點填？？？？？
我報那間算係當區都幾好，但比你見到d o甘嘎父母真係唔知到時他會點教個仔，其實份表都夾住份小冊子教你點填，但都係o甘？？？？
作者: gingerale 時間: 09-9-28 13:01
Anyone who read Chinese can tell from your title and message that you don't like the new immgrants from China who are applying for the same school with you. Unfortunately their kids will have the same chance of getting in as yours (assuming that they have the same mark) at this round. There will be a lot more of them getting in during the lottery round. Are you prepared for that?
And you think that mainland kids are only applying for "free" schools? There are many of them coming from middle class and professional families who are applying for DSS and private schools!
And if your child holds the same view as yours, he/she will be very frustrated when he/she finds that so many mainland students are out-performing him/her at every stage of his/her school life!
交小一入學伸請表估唔到有咁多新移民
今日交Form, 但係10個人居然有４個係新移民家庭. 佢地又帶唔齋資料.....例如冇住址証明...英文唔識填.....等等......最慘佢地又唔做足功課乜都唔知要個職員教好耐, 拘到我蛇去交Form遲大到. 唉........依家大陸人連市區都攻陷了
[ 本帖最後由 gingerale 於 09-9-28 13:03 編輯 ]
作者: HKdevil 時間: 09-9-28 13:12 標題: 回覆 25# gingerale 的文章
I agree with your entirely and this is simply a bad post...
we all should have a compassionate heart towards people, especially she is of the same race of us!
St Rosa is a Catholic school, as a Catholic ...this is especially so.
Be a good parent pls, a better parent makes a better world.
作者: cy2004mum 時間: 09-9-28 15:31
在此並非想針對大陸或香港人, 只是今早去交表時, 見到前面只有5,6個人, 竟有3個不是無帶影印, 就是填留, 填錯或無正確地址證明, 交一份如此簡單的表格都弄得如此, 這些家長的質素可想而知........ 
作者: 猴子爸 時間: 09-9-28 16:03
看见楼主被人围殴，也替他难过。
将心比心，如果自己的儿子以后6年的同学，都是来自一些不大有文化学历的家庭，我也会担心。如果他所说的是来自国内的大商家，教授，没人会太介意，但如果是报纸经常报道有家庭问题那种，你们又如何呢?当然，报名时没带齐文件，不懂填英文，等等，不代表他们有家庭问题，但却反映一定的质素，否则直资和私校都不用见家长了。
请不要太过站在道德高地来批评人。
原帖由 andyc2001hk 於 09-9-26 01:16 發表
今日交Form, 但係10個人居然有４個係新移民家庭. 佢地又帶唔齋資料.....例如冇住址証明...英文唔識填.....等等......最慘佢地又唔做足功課乜都唔知要個職員教好耐, 拘到我蛇去交Form遲大到. 唉........依家大陸人連市 ...
作者: ziyi 時間: 09-9-28 16:47
講真,我就唔相信帶漏文件代表不太有文化學歷家庭
每一個人都有機會因緊張漏帶,因緊張小朋友而要老師再三解釋才除去憂慮
我們可否用多一些包容的心,亦不是站在道德高層
多一些體諒,多一些欣賞?
如果我們去看一下講貧窮的家長(Local or oversea),會發現更多貧窮的家長願意投入全部去為了小朋友得到好的教育,像50's or 60's 年代的香港
不要因別人的背景,去說一些傷害人的說話
像聖經主耶穌在4福音書裡論兩個小錢的婦人,欣賞他人,不要像旁邊的法利賽人
原帖由 猴子爸 於 09-9-28 16:03 發表
看见楼主被人围殴，也替他难过。
将心比心，如果自己的儿子以后6年的同学，都是来自一些不大有文化学历的家庭，我也会担心。如果他所说的是来自国内的大商家，教授，没人会太介意，但如果是报纸经常报道有家庭问题那种，你们又如何呢 ...
作者: 猴子爸 時間: 09-9-28 17:08
我明白你的意思，我也清楚说明了带漏文件等等是反映质素，很表面的，但我们看在眼里，加上其他的观察，很难不会有无限的伸延。老师校长不就是这样来观察的吗?
对，楼主的描述是mean了一些，他会这样写出来，可能就是伸延到一个想法:本来以为只有某些地区是低学历低收入的新移民的集中地，但现在连圣罗杀这类在市区的学校都有他们来竞争。排队被拖延是一件事，拿到学位的机会减少是大，以后同学的质素更是大。
我相信一般本地香港中产一点的家长，都会有这样的concern.
我个人认为，已经不是歧视的问题，乃是我们的孩子以后学校生活质素的问题。
原帖由 ziyi 於 09-9-28 16:47 發表
講真,我就唔相信帶漏文件代表不太有文化學歷家庭
每一個人都有機會因緊張漏帶,因緊張小朋友而要老師再三解釋才除去憂慮
我們可否用多一些包容的心,亦不是站在道德高層
多一些體諒,多一些欣賞?
如果我們去看一下講貧 ...
作者: angelmokco 時間: 09-9-28 17:28
agreed! Horrible!
作者: ziyi 時間: 09-9-28 17:28
為什麼他/她們只可申請某些地區的小學而不可申請市區的
為什麼他/她們會影響我們小朋友的大學學位,如果我的囡囡是有能力的,始終會找到出路升大學
沒有人喜歡被"標籤化",將心比己
你喜歡到國內是給人叫"港燦"嗎?
伸延思考不是這樣,如果我們自己這樣言傳身教,那小朋友會怎樣想?
樓主因交表,給早到的人令她/他遲到,當然可憐
但可引伸這麼多,卻不太好了.
原帖由 猴子爸 於 09-9-28 17:08 發表
我明白你的意思，我也清楚说明了带漏文件等等是反映质素，很表面的，但我们看在眼里，加上其他的观察，很难不会有无限的伸延。老师校长不就是这样来观察的吗?
对，楼主的描述是mean了一些，他会这样写出来，可能就是伸延到一个想法: ...
作者: ShinTeresa 時間: 09-9-28 17:28
而家d大6 人先有錢 我地變晒港燦先岩 原帖由 andyc2001hk 於 09-9-26 01:16 發表
今日交Form, 但係10個人居然有４個係新移民家庭. 佢地又帶唔齋資料.....例如冇住址証明...英文唔識填.....等等......最慘佢地又唔做足功課乜都唔知要個職員教好耐, 拘到我蛇去交Form遲大到. 唉........依家大陸人連市 ...
作者: dora媽 時間: 09-9-28 18:17
我想呢的不大有文化的人揀的學校..都是好适合你!!
應該考虛吓女拔、男拔!!
原帖由 猴子爸 於 09-9-28 16:03 發表
看见楼主被人围殴，也替他难过。
将心比心，如果自己的儿子以后6年的同学，都是来自一些不大有文化学历的家庭，我也会担心。如果他所说的是来自国内的大商家，教授，没人会太介意，但如果是报纸经常报道有家庭问题那种，你们又如何呢 ...
作者: gingerale 時間: 09-9-28 18:49
带漏文件 = 低学历低收入低质素 ???
What an interesting interpretation!
All your posts are in simplified chinese, yet, you appear to show sympathy on someone who obviously has a negative opinion on mainlanders.
FYI, my mainland parents did not even finish primary school and they were not able to fill any forms properly when I was a school kid. Today I have a university degree from HK and a postgraduate degree from overseas and I am having a professional career with decent income even though I may be classified as coming from a family of 低学历低收入低质素. You may not want to know but there are many people with similar background and achievement like me in Hong Kong!
原帖由 猴子爸 於 09-9-28 16:03 發表
看见楼主被人围殴，也替他难过。
将心比心，如果自己的儿子以后6年的同学，都是来自一些不大有文化学历的家庭，我也会担心。如果他所说的是来自国内的大商家，教授，没人会太介意，但如果是报纸经常报道有家庭问题那种，你们又如何呢 ...
作者: jollyma 時間: 09-9-28 22:47
其實即使真係"針對"內地人又如何?都不過是反映現實,我們的小朋友都大多是2004年出生,當年有幾多內地產婦來港生產, 大家都心中有數,這個根本就係改變唔到的事實,未來的官/津學校都會收取很大部份這類內地人的子女,至於我地這些納咗咁多年稅的本地香港人,有錢既, 咪讀直資私校或國際學校囉:( ,遲下連國際學校都輪唔到你讀,因此,大家心中不是味兒其實是可以理解的
總之就--書照讀,樓照炒
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作者: 猴子爸 時間: 09-9-28 22:57
There is no doubt that you may come from a 低收入低学历family. But before you make an attack to my message, please show me that your child is studying at a school with a large number of students of such background and that you really appreciate this fact.
Remember why most parents in HK are so fed up with some government officials? On one hand they are claiming that it is best to use mother language at school; on the other, their kids are all studying at international school.
原帖由 gingerale 於 09-9-28 18:49 發表
带漏文件 = 低学历低收入低质素 ???
What an interesting interpretation!
All your posts are in simplified chinese, yet, you appear to show sympathy on someone who obviously has a negative opinion o ...
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作者: gingerale 時間: 09-9-29 09:45
Sorry, but we never bother to check the background of the parents in a school before applying for our children. We only look at the curriculum and the secondary school placement record.
In fact, I don't believe there is any scientific way to survey the parent background on our own. Making judgement based on whether the parents could fill out forms properly during application is definitely not one of them.
原帖由 猴子爸 於 09-9-28 22:57 發表
There is no doubt that you may come from a 低收入低学历family. But before you make an attack to my message, please show me that your child is studying at a school with a large number of students of su ...
作者: ron106 時間: 09-9-29 09:47
十分同意~~納咗咁多年稅到最後.......唉!!
原帖由 jollyma 於 09-9-28 22:47 發表
其實即使真係"針對"內地人又如何?都不過是反映現實,我們的小朋友都大多是2004年出生,當年有幾多內地產婦來港生產, 大家都心中有數,這個根本就係改變唔到的事實,未來的官/津學校都會收取很大部份這類內地人的子女,至 ...
作者: ziyi 時間: 09-9-29 10:10
這是遷怒,政府辦錯,為什麼要這些人承擔
你們所喜歡的名校,大部份不是天主教就是基督教所辦
主耶穌基督在聖經上吩咐信祂的最重要的命令是愛主你的神,其次是愛人如己
為什麼幾十年前至100年前天主教教會及基督教教會會辦學?
就是遵行主的命令,她們學校的目標也是,如果我們不認同她們的辦學理念,申請來幹什麼?
對小朋友的教育就是教他/她們"針對"?教他/她們不要有愛心?教他/她們自私?
我想我明白為什麼香港人每年捐輸這麼多金錢給有需要的人,在國內及外國仍舊有人說香港人是代表自私.
我也緊張我的小朋友下年選學校的問題,也很討厭很難進自己心儀的小學,但攪清楚是這政府政策的問題
原帖由 jollyma 於 09-9-28 22:47 發表
其實即使真係"針對"內地人又如何?都不過是反映現實,我們的小朋友都大多是2004年出生,當年有幾多內地產婦來港生產, 大家都心中有數,這個根本就係改變唔到的事實,未來的官/津學校都會收取很大部份這類內地人的子女,至 ...
作者: 猴子爸 時間: 09-9-29 10:15
Please don't avoid my question. If you knew that the school your child was going to attend had a majority of students coming from low-income low- education mainland immigrant family, would you still be happily sending your child to that school?
原帖由 gingerale 於 09-9-29 09:45 發表
Sorry, but we never bother to check the background of the parents in a school before applying for our children. We only look at the curriculum and the secondary school placement record.
In fact, I ...
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作者: 猴子爸 時間: 09-9-29 10:37
Before you provide your answer, I can give you mine.
If there is a system to make sure that the parents from such family are also responsible and able to provide good training to and take good care of their kids, I am sure their kids can also be good students and I will have no problem with it. As long as the school itself is well run, it will be fine.
But the problem is that in reality we all know clearly that there is an extremely high likelihood that the kids from such family are not able to receive good training and care. Then, how would you expect that most of these kids can perform well? without good peers, nowadays, it would be very easy for children to get adversely influenced.
Would I like to expose my son to this risk? The answer is no.
原帖由 猴子爸 於 09-9-29 10:15 發表
Please don't avoid my question. If you knew that the school your child was going to attend had a majority of students coming from low-income low- education mainland immigrant family, would you still ...
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作者: ziyi 時間: 09-9-29 10:50
You have the right to don't let your son with you say some people, but you can't not allow them to apply the school you like it.
Everyone have freedom to select the school for their child.
This is the rule of game, we must follow it, that you can apply the international school or some private school to avoiding them. Because they might be not sufficient financial support to apply those school.
But don't say some word to hurt the people, they not rich but this is not their wrong and THEY ARE NO CRIMINAL.
原帖由 猴子爸 於 09-9-29 10:37 發表
Before you provide your answer, I can give you mine.
If there is a system to make sure that the parents from such family are also responsible and able to provide good training to and take good care o ...
作者: 猴子爸 時間: 09-9-29 10:58
Please don't bend the fact and truth.
Who said that they should be banned from applying to the schools? As long as they can comply with the rules and regulations set by the government, of course they can.
I just hate the hypocrites who blame others being frustrated about the fact that the schools are likely to receive a lot more students from the family we discussed above while sending their kids to the middle class schools.
Are you one of them?
原帖由 ziyi 於 09-9-29 10:50 發表
You have the right to don't let your son with you say some people, but you can't not allow them to apply the school you like it.
Everyone have freedom to select the school for their child.
This is t ...
作者: ziyi 時間: 09-9-29 11:12
The word give it back to you "PLEASE DON'T BEND THE FACT AND TRUTH"
My main point is they are not rich but the child is sinless, why they need to hear and see your words?
原帖由 猴子爸 於 09-9-29 10:58 發表
Please don't bend the fact and truth.
Who said that they should be banned from applying to the schools? As long as they can comply with the rules and regulations set by the government, of course they ...
作者: gingerale 時間: 09-9-29 11:17
So this is your theory:
low income, low education background, new immgrant mainland family = poor training and bad caring for children = poor school performance = bad peer group
And it seems fair to assume that you also have a hidden theory suggesting that:
high income, high education background, hong kong family = good training and good caring for children = good school performance = good peer group
I am afraid your generalizations are not scientific at all. Do you have any statistical data from the Education Bureau or university research studies to support your claims? Unfortunately many people share your views and make a lot of unfair and biased comments all the time.
To answer your question:
We don't see any reasons why we should be happy or not happy about sending our children to a school with a majority of students coming from low income/education mainland new immgrant families. We look at the school curriculum, their philosophy, student performance, secondary school placement results, things that we can evaluate objectively.
原帖由 猴子爸 於 09-9-29 10:37 發表
Before you provide your answer, I can give you mine.
If there is a system to make sure that the parents from such family are also responsible and able to provide good training to and take good care o ...
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作者: 猴子爸 時間: 09-9-29 11:26
I believe you are getting lost in your arguments.
First, this is the communication between parents. Why would "kids" suddenly be dragged into this conversation?
Second, I never said that the kids from such background are to be blamed. If so, this is a sin.
Third, I'm talking about the reality here and the true schooling environment we are faced with. We have our frustration and we don't want our kids to be studying at a schools with a lot of peers having minimal training and care from their family.
Finally, the author of this post might have described the situation in a relatively mean way. If you were there, I am sure you would move forward to help them filling out the forms. But my point is that I sort of understand where he/she is coming from and don't think he/she should deserve all the attacks from the hypocrites who blame others for one thing while doing the opposite.
原帖由 ziyi 於 09-9-29 11:12 發表
The word give it back to you "PLEASE DON'T BEND THE FACT AND TRUTH"
My main point is they are not rich but the child is sinless, why they need to hear and see your words?
作者: 猴子爸 時間: 09-9-29 11:29
You really missed the point. In fact, I really doubt if you are a high calibre "professional".
I am talking about "likelihood", not "=".
Please re-read my message and re-do your argument.
原帖由 gingerale 於 09-9-29 11:17 發表
So this is your theory:
low income, low education background, new immgrant mainland family = poor training and bad caring for children = poor school performance = bad peer group
And it seems fair to ...
作者: gingerale 時間: 09-9-29 11:50
In any social science study, you need to have supporting evidences to make claims like "extremely high likelihood", otherwise your arguments are simply empty without any solid substance, no matter how inspirational or stimulating they sound.
In fact, what you described was not new and represented some generalized views expressed by many Hong Kong people who purposely "forgot" that they were also coming from families with similar background decades ago.
We can't just simply label children from those families as having "an extremely high likelihood of getting poor training/care and performing poorly at school". I don't see any reasons why those parents would be much less concerned about their kids' education than middle-class parents like you.
From time to time, we hear true stories about successful students coming from poor families in Tin Siu Wai, Tuen Mun, etc.
It will be very dangerous if your views are also shared by our next generation since there will be a lot of conflicts in the society. They will also be very frustrated to find out that they are not any "superior" to the kids from those families in terms of academic performance and other kinds of achievement.
原帖由 猴子爸 於 09-9-29 11:29 發表
You really missed the point. In fact, I really doubt if you are a high calibre "professional".
I am talking about "likelihood", not "=".
Please re-read my message and re-do your argument.
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作者: ziyi 時間: 09-9-29 11:55
Do you clarify the between "WORD" and "MEANING"
You alway say you never say the "word", but you give to the people is that meaning
And you say the parent not answer your question, it also apply for you.
Maight be you think you are "BLUE BLOOD", no matter what, the child or their parent, is sinless, even they pool, not completed the primary school, not skill, but why they need to take your criticism.
If my child class mates to speak "粗話", I also hate it and I also will complain it and not like their parents. But on this moments, did they do it?
In addition, most of "粗話" not only learn from the school and this kind of child, the major is learn from TV.
原帖由 猴子爸 於 09-9-29 11:26 發表
I believe you are getting lost in your arguments.
First, this is the communication between parents. Why would "kids" suddenly be dragged into this conversation?
Second, I never said that the kids f ...
作者: brian61950 時間: 09-9-29 12:10
一句講洒............
憎人富貴厭人貧
作者: Reximom 時間: 09-9-29 12:54
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作者: ziyi 時間: 09-9-29 13:11
MOST not 100%, and I agree some special is learn from parent.
像前幾天一段新聞,一個父親同人打交受傷,去醫院,他13歲兒子,一路3字經
是有這些人,我也不喜歡這些人
但不要一竹槓打死一船人
有錢有學識的不會說,我去外國,國內做事,認識的朋友第一樣教我就是"粗話",因為起碼要懂得別人在罵你
但懂得不代表要說
你我都懂,但怎樣教小朋友是另外一件事
Final, I'm middle class, and I can afford my child to private school or DSS, but I select them is school is more suitable for my child instead of the class mates
I teach my child is learn to love the people, understand other people not like her lucky, and she must donation to support them if she have.
原帖由 Reximom 於 09-9-29 12:54 發表
唔係嗎, TV個d說話有幾粗呀?
你緊係生活於中產或以上階層, 唔知民間疾苦, this kind of child, the major is learn from父母或其他屋企人就真, 有d小小年紀, 已經會講生殖器官形容詞, 呢D 形容詞TV邊到有得學呀 ...
作者: cutekiddy 時間: 09-9-29 13:39
please think about the reasons that your son needs to compete with the maninland kids. apart from the government policies, it is because :
you are not rich enough and therefore you are not affordable to send your son to the school just like Harrow ($300,000 school fee p.a.).
you are not well-educated enough to train up your kid's judgement. he/she may know what's right & wrong if you teach them well.
you are not powerful enough to change the government policies.
why? according to your logic, it may imply that your parent's education & financial background are just like the group you discriminated.
作者: Reximom 時間: 09-9-29 13:42
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作者: judy 時間: 09-9-29 14:18
原帖由 猴子爸 於 09-9-28 16:03 發表
看见楼主被人围殴，也替他难过。
将心比心，如果自己的儿子以后6年的同学，都是来自一些不大有文化学历的家庭，我也会担心。如果他所说的是来自国内的大商家，教授，没人会太介意，但如果是报纸经常报道有家庭问题那种，你们又如何呢 ...
有學歷也好，無學歷也好，大商家也好，小販也好，我不介意，最緊要唔好無教養。
作者: 猴子爸 時間: 09-9-29 14:22
我想总结一下gingerale和ziyi的观点。(cutekiddy讲的歪理，回应是浪费时间）
新移民有他们的权利，即使学校里越来越多学生是他们的孩子，我们都不应该因为这个缘故，觉得有什么不妥，或是学校就会因此质素被拖垮，因为这样想法是歧视。
我不知道你们现实生活中接触到多少这样的家庭?很明显，ziyi应该不多，因为他有本事可以让小孩读中产的直资私立学校。
现在大家在讨论的是孩子的教育，是孩子的朋辈影响。当然，我也没有办法说去具体数字，说明每十个新移民家庭，有多少个家庭是可以好好培养小孩，但以我所看到，所听到，很多官津学校都有这样的烦恼，特别是在某些区，情况会更严重。
为什么直资私小会那么宝贵他们可以自主收生?我可以大胆这样讲，他们不一定是找最有钱的，但却是找愿意投放时间资源在小孩身上的，在新移民家庭里，有多少可以做到?小孩子没人管没人教导的话，大部分会是怎样呢?
身为父母，有这个担心是可以理解的，并不是所有人都好像ziyi一样，可以负担直资私立学校的费用。
作者: ziyi 時間: 09-9-29 14:27
孟母三遷,是因為那些地方的人行為不好,而不是因為他們窮或沒有學識,如果連成語真正要教的都不懂,就不要亂用
另外,孟子說的是人本善,為惡是後天
如果知道那間學校專出不良少年或學生唔好,ok,我一樣唔會比小朋友去讀
但不是因別人窮或沒有學識,就"Label".這才是常識
原帖由 Reximom 於 09-9-29 13:42 發表
MOST not 100%, and I agree some special is learn from parent.
你唔係嗎, 大多數小朋友都係learn from parents, 呢d基本育兒常識呢啦, 咁都要同人咬!
呢個世界緊係有好多exception架啦, 讀飽書但粗口爛舌緊 ...
作者: ziyi 時間: 09-9-29 14:35
這樣說我同意,我也不是鼓勵送小朋友去一些校風不好的學校
對我現在有能力負擔小朋友教育,但不代表我無接觸或經歷
我可以對你說我自小經歷比你多
你試過穿鞋底有洞的上學嗎?你試過沒有錢要去做清潔交學費?
原帖由 猴子爸 於 09-9-29 14:22 發表
我想总结一下gingerale和ziyi的观点。(cutekiddy讲的歪理，回应是浪费时间）
新移民有他们的权利，即使学校里越来越多学生是他们的孩子，我们都不应该因为这个缘故，觉得有什么不妥，或是学校就会因此质素被拖垮，因为这样想法是歧 ...
作者: Reximom 時間: 09-9-29 14:38
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作者: ziyi 時間: 09-9-29 14:51
呢個topic一直有問題是將
新移民=行為不好
"Label"晒所有新移民
如果你說某某學校校風不好,沒有關係
各人有各人的想法
我只希望我囡囡不會同你的小朋友讀同一間,因道不同不相為謀
原帖由 Reximom 於 09-9-29 14:38 發表
哈哈哈, 真係比你笑死!
mug你以為呢度d家長係因為d新移民窮先至唔喜歡同佢地d仔女一齊讀書?
我諗如果佢地窮或沒有學識, 但有高尚既品格, 我諗好多人, 包括我, 會好樂意同佢地d仔女一齊讀書囉! 一般人最擔心既 ...
作者: Reximom 時間: 09-9-29 14:59
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作者: 好命婆 時間: 09-9-29 15:02
點講呢? 我本來都對新移民無咩意見....但經過小一觀校活動之後..又咗新睇法
"嗰朝我哋一家參加咗地區性嘅小一觀校活動, 當中有班由口音聽得出應該係新移民嚟嘅家長&小孩, d小孩子好嘈好曳, 好多時都聽唔到演講者說話(已經坐第一排), 係車上就更誇張, 根本就大人有大人講, 小孩有小孩玩, 總之整過旅程都好嘈當時我都無覺得咩, 覺得有小朋友就會嘈d. 直至當日下午去某私小面試, 感覺完全唔同, 在場都有好多小朋友&家長等候, 但點解都咁靜嘅
原因係咩? ...我唔肯定, 但就令都小女說話都細細聲...
作者: 猴子爸 時間: 09-9-29 15:09
经过Reximom一讲，我明白了你们的看法，你们以为我一直是歧视新移民穷?对，我有提过低收入低学历，但我是指很多时候，就是这些家庭没办法提供良好教养给下一代，但请注意，是大部分，不是全部，这是客观事实。
原帖由 ziyi 於 09-9-29 14:35 發表
這樣說我同意,我也不是鼓勵送小朋友去一些校風不好的學校
對我現在有能力負擔小朋友教育,但不代表我無接觸或經歷
我可以對你說我自小經歷比你多
你試過穿鞋底有洞的上學嗎?你試過沒有錢要去做清潔交學費?
...
作者: Reximom 時間: 09-9-29 15:20
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作者: gingerale 時間: 09-9-29 15:20
为什么直资私小会那么宝贵他们可以自主收生?我可以大胆这样讲，他们不一定是找最有钱的，但却是找愿意投放时间资源在小孩身上的，在新移民家庭里，有多少可以做到?小孩子没人管没人教导的话，大部分会是怎样呢?
Why do you keep assuming that new immigrant parents don't have time to spend on their kids and they don't discipline and teach their kids? I thought many local people assume that they don't find jobs and just receive 綜援 from the government? They should then have a lot of time taking care of their kids.
Are you aware that some middle-class parents are busy working all day and leave their kids to the Filipino/Indonesian maids to take care of everything including their homework?
The reason I react strongly to your views is that I come from the exact same kind of family "under the Lion Rock". My parents were not able to teach me anything academically. They didn't even know all the 26 alphabets. But they worked hard everyday to support the family and this was the motivation for me to study hard and to be an educated and caring person in return. And trust me, I was not alone.
I am sure there are still many "poor" children like that out there and they deserve a better judgement by middle-class parents, especially those who were growing up in the same background.
作者: Reximom 時間: 09-9-29 15:27
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作者: 猴子爸 時間: 09-9-29 15:34
如果有一间学校，学生都是来自低收入低学历新移民家庭，但有教养，勤奋好学上进，我也希望我儿子可以跟他们做朋友。
原帖由 Reximom 於 09-9-29 15:20 發表
"千金難買少年窮”, 如果我d仔女有個窮, 但有好品格既朋友仔, 正所謂窮得有骨氣個種, 我一定叫佢地多多親近呢個小朋友, 向佢好好學習tim!
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作者: 猴子爸 時間: 09-9-29 15:42
As pointed out by Reximom, we cannot compare the present situation to the past. Nowadays, a lot of new immigrants are coming here to enjoy the benefits. Some others with good nature are working hard, but due to their education and skill level, they need to work long hours for little. It goes without saying that their kids are less likely to get proper nurturing and training. In fact, it is unrealistic to expect that the upbringing of their kids in most cases are similar to that of the kids several decades ago.
gingerale, you raised a good point. Some local parents may also leave their kids unattended by letting their helper do the nurturing and training. These kids could be in trouble too.
原帖由 gingerale 於 09-9-29 15:20 發表
为什么直资私小会那么宝贵他们可以自主收生?我可以大胆这样讲，他们不一定是找最有钱的，但却是找愿意投放时间资源在小孩身上的，在新移民家庭里，有多少可以做到?小孩子没人管没人教导的话，大部分会是怎样呢?
Why do you k ...
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作者: gingerale 時間: 09-9-29 15:59
猴子爸,
I believe you and I have made our own views clear. Obviously neither of us will be convinced by others and there is no point to argue further. Nevertheless, I trust that you are a good daddy who will offer the best for your son's future. You never know, he may end up in the same school as my kid.
Reximom,
I certainly would not mind having your kid as my children's schoolmate, but I sincerely hope that your kid will get some civilized education at school!
原帖由 猴子爸 於 09-9-29 15:42 發表
As pointed out by Reximom, we cannot compare the present situation to the past. Nowadays, a lot of new immigrants are coming here to enjoy the benefits. Some others with good nature are working hard ...
作者: Reximom 時間: 09-9-29 16:01
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作者: ziyi 時間: 09-9-29 16:08
講真,為什麼一定要在低收入低學歷的後面加上新移民?
香港700萬人,在2戰時香港有多少人,幾十萬而已
為什麼多了那麼多?
全都是移民,大部份現在香港的人都是移民的第2代
到了我們卻要在一些說話上加上"新移民",雖然你說沒有歧視,是習慣了
我同意猴子爸你說的低收入的家庭為了生活,令到很多時候沒有足夠時間去好好教養小朋友
我也不會給小朋友去讀一些校風不好的學校,但絕不會因他們是比較窮的新移民
相反,Reximom,不是你高攀唔起,是我高攀唔起你及你的小朋友.因我會帶小朋友去普通的公園去玩,接觸普通人
教她分享,要有愛心
而你這樣怕"低收入新移民",肯定不會去普通的公園,因這樣免費的場所,他們就時常去
也不會去一些社區會堂,願你去做你想做的
原帖由 猴子爸 於 09-9-29 15:34 發表
如果有一间学校，学生都是来自低收入低学历新移民家庭，但有教养，勤奋好学上进，我也希望我儿子可以跟他们做朋友。
作者: gingerale 時間: 09-9-29 16:10
Oh yes, you are right finally. There are no hopes that you can be re-educated anymore. But I always have hopes in kids and yours certainly need a school with emphasis on life education. Bye for now.
原帖由 Reximom 於 09-9-29 16:03 發表
講野都係實事求事好d, 單單打打對我係唔work架!
作者: 猴子爸 時間: 09-9-29 16:27
gingerale, ziyi, reximom, I really enjoy discussing this topic with you. Our point of view may be different, but i'm sure you are all dedicated parents. I won't have any concern if my son becomes a classmate of your kids someday. Well, i'm afraid you may have such concern instead since my son is a bit too active (though not hyper), as "advised" by almost all of his teachers...
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作者: Reximom 時間: 09-9-29 16:27
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作者: ziyi 時間: 09-9-29 16:35
隨你怎樣斷章取意啦
亦隨你喜歡單單打打啦
亦隨你喜歡扣帽子
口在你,手在你
原帖由 Reximom 於 09-9-29 16:27 發表
你份人都幾鍾意無限上綱, 扣人帽子個喎, 我話我讚同人揀間少d新移民既學校, 就等於我怕"低收入新移民",肯定不會去普通的公園”?
“帶小朋友去普通的公園去玩,接觸普通人,教她分享,要有愛心”, 同揀間咩學校讀書 ...
作者: Reximom 時間: 09-9-29 17:22
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作者: HIN2003 時間: 09-9-29 17:23
我只是過路, 但忍唔住想插嘴.
我覺得大陸人, 唔等於窮.
只係文化唔同, 我接受唔到佢地無衛生常識, 唔喜歡排隊, 樣樣都理所當然.
作者: jeremyphlam 時間: 09-9-29 18:13
原帖由 好命婆 於 09-9-29 15:02 發表
點講呢? 我本來都對新移民無咩意見....但經過小一觀校活動之後..又咗新睇法
"嗰朝我哋一家參加咗地區性嘅小一觀校活動, 當中有班由口音聽得出應該係新移民嚟嘅家長&小孩, d小孩子好嘈好曳, 好多時都聽唔到演 ...
我也有類似經驗，雖然中產也有冇質數的，又係機會率的問題。
你話我係歧視都好，我唔會將自己個仔的前途攞去搏！
有對朋友夫婦係專業人士，住係馬鞍山某私人屋苑。唔信邪唔考私校、直資，覺得喺咩學校讀都唔緊要，最緊要都係自己，結果派番同區某小學。讀了一年，P2都係要轉出市區某私校。原因係間小學太雜，同學的價值觀有很大差別。
以上是真實個案，如有得罪請諒。
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作者: 猴子爸 時間: 09-9-29 18:37
你太有礼貌了。大家都是以事论事，如果有人反驳你的讲法，就按理会应好了。没有得罪不得罪谁吧。看来，在这里的家长都颇有教养。
原帖由 jeremyphlam 於 09-9-29 18:13 發表
我也有類似經驗，雖然中產也有冇質數的，又係機會率的問題。
你話我係歧視都好，我唔會將自己個仔的前途攞去搏！
有對朋友夫婦係專業人士，住係馬鞍山某私人屋苑。唔信邪唔考私校、直資，覺得喺咩學校讀都唔緊要，最緊要都係自 ...
作者: corliss_yu 時間: 09-9-29 20:39
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作者: angelsecond88 時間: 09-9-30 02:53
我都係路過既,不過我都眼見唔少新移民真係好離譜,佢地好鍾意俾d小朋友喺公園玩,而佢地d大人就自己傾計,佢地有佢地傾,d小朋友就自己玩,完全唔理.個d小朋友好鍾意除哂鞋四圍跑,霸住個sir滑梯唔俾其他小朋友玩,又從滑梯跑返上去,搞到其他人冇得玩,專蝦d細個既小朋友,又鬧人等等...總知成班野孩子咁.d大人眼見到都唔出聲,完全唔理,真係好離譜!!!
我仔上次試過俾個高大過佢既哥哥撞跌,喊到呱呱聲,個小朋友sorry都冇講句就走咗去,但係最嬲都唔係因為個小朋友冇禮貌,而係佢地既家長都唔會過黎say sorry同教返個小朋友.所以自此之後我都好少再帶我兩個仔去公園玩喇,真係好驚佢會學咗佢地!
作者: chuyuencheung 時間: 09-9-30 09:11
我都係路過，等我都插下咀，講下的所見所聞。
逢星期六，我都要帶囡囡去上 phonics 班，坦白講，在這英文學校裡面遇到的小朋友，我相信超過九成都是本地小朋友，甚少有操內地口音的『疑似』新移民，而且，在這九成本地小朋友之中，有一半的都是由家傭照顧的。
可是，這些小朋友的行為，與你們提及的，卻沒有很大的分別，例如︰大聲喧嘩，東奔西跑，沒禮貌等等。
作者: Annabellalaw 時間: 09-9-30 09:33
昨日路過已經想分享意見,但女兒阻止,她覺得不應加入戰團,不肯再為我解英文篇章.
我是地道香港人,沒有好的學歷,但如天下父母一樣,都愛子女,為子女付出,至於方法好不好,相信如很多父母一樣都是邊請教邊調節,務求他們可作棟樑.
原則上我是個守規的好媽媽,但人性上,小節上都會有瑕疵,例如,有時我也會慚愧自己做不到 陰聲細氣 一樣,相信亦有不少新移民父母與我的理念相同,只是生活上文化習慣有些不同罷了,道理如日本街道比我們香港的清潔等同,我們現在鼓勵無煙環境,並非主要是針對現在年長的一羣,而是希望新起的一代可以不吸煙啊！
給點時間他們融入我們,只要我們的行為是對的,人望高處,他們自然會模枋.
我常對我的女兒說,假使環境事實不能改變,我們只能面對並嘗試解决.
在外遇到實在比較橫劣的家長和小朋友,就當作反面教材來向子女分析,因為自己的子女將來都會接觸不同階層的人,早學習如何分辨是非亦相當重要,除非涉及安全問題,否則我不會選擇離開現場.
包容是一種美德,亦是身教的題材,
原帖由 angelsecond88 於 09-9-30 02:53 發表
我都係路過既,不過我都眼見唔少新移民真係好離譜,佢地好鍾意俾d小朋友喺公園玩,而佢地d大人就自己傾計,佢地有佢地傾,d小朋友就自己玩,完全唔理.個d小朋友好鍾意除哂鞋四圍跑,霸住個sir滑梯唔俾其他小朋友玩,又從滑梯 ...
作者: Annabellalaw 時間: 09-9-30 09:40
其實天下的小朋友都一樣,
那是童真啊
原帖由 chuyuencheung 於 09-9-30 09:11 發表
我都係路過，等我都插下咀，講下的所見所聞。
逢星期六，我都要帶囡囡去上 phonics 班，坦白講，在這英文學校裡面遇到的小朋友，我相信超過九成都是本地小朋友，甚少有操內地口音的『疑似』新移民，而且，在這九成本地小朋友之中，有一 ...
作者: judy 時間: 09-9-30 10:23
原帖由 angelsecond88 於 09-9-30 02:53 發表
我都係路過既,不過我都眼見唔少新移民真係好離譜,佢地好鍾意俾d小朋友喺公園玩,而佢地d大人就自己傾計,佢地有佢地傾,d小朋友就自己玩,完全唔理.個d小朋友好鍾意除哂鞋四圍跑,霸住個sir滑梯唔俾其他小朋友玩,又從滑梯 ...
我唔係新移民，不過我都有呢啲新移民特質：
1. 我仲意帶阿仔到公園玩。
2. 我自己做自已嘢，或看書，或同人地傾(我冇問人地係唔係新移民)。
3.阿仔自已四圍玩，佢習慣着鞋，不過，如果除鞋我都唔理。基本上我甚麽也不理。好彩，咁耐以來，阿仔未同人打過交，唔使我費心。
4.阿仔成日跌，週不時膝頭流血，家常便飯。
話是話，除了我之外，公園里有新移民特質的包括菲傭、外國人、和一些本地人。
係公園，俾孩子野一下，自已又放鬆吓，幾好。
作者: ziyi 時間: 09-9-30 10:28
我係香港出世,土生土長,而且我是一名基督徒,小時侯吃過苦,對比身邊會感到自卑,但現在我卻感謝陳經吃過苦,我是有能力負擔囡囡進入私校或直資的一群
我們有做什麼統計報告嗎?我也遇到你們陳經說過不禮貌,亂走....etc
但我想問一下,我們真的有去問那些人是否移民嗎?
你們可以話我蠢,但我仍舊相信,世界是善良的,看到的只是世界的一小部份,看不到的我仍相信是好的
不要以為我是一個好人,妻子及身邊的朋友都說我脾氣差,我坦白的說,我遇到你們說的事時是怎樣辦,我會走過去叫停那個小朋友,對他說,向我囡囡道歉
她/他在公園吸煙,只要我妻子不在旁,我會對他/她說,請看看牌子,不准吸煙
我不知道她/他是否新移民,我只知道是非對錯,公義平等自由,這是我的價值觀,而非將自己遇到的引用,伸延到一些人
每人都有自由去說
有人說現在不再是獅子山下的時代,對,不再是了,但我們可選擇隨時代變自己的標準,也可以選擇用好的標準
作者: judy 時間: 09-9-30 10:49
有人說現在不再是獅子山下的時代,對,不再是了,但我們可選擇隨時代變自己的標準,也可以選擇用好的標準...
是的，現在不是獅子山下的年代，所以，要更進步才對。
作者: 猴子爸 時間: 09-9-30 11:20
在公园里遇到不礼貌的人，避开他们就是了，但说到学校，就是另外回事，万一是没什么教养的孩子，而且人数众多，成为自己孩子的朋辈，说到底都会担心吧。就好像jeremy讲的例子，我相信真的不少。
judy,你会不会直接吐痰到rubbish bin？你会不会让孩子讲粗话，孩子跟人家有冲突，还跟家长起冲突?当然，不一定只是新移民会这样做，但也是百分比的问题。
我也相信人会进步，新移民都会学习融入社会，我们应该包容，但在他们还没有进步前，让自己的孩子放在同一间学校里，却是另外一回事。
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作者: Yonniewong 時間: 09-9-30 11:36
我絶對贊成係百份比問題. 我都識很多內地人很有教養, 但現時的教育制度及環境下, 不得不令家轉投直資或私校.
曾經聽過, 有間學校打電話比個新移民家長, 因發現他的子女沒有人接放學, 仍在學校, 可是那家長反問一句, 做完功課未, 未做完我唔黎接. 其實細心一想, 就會有連鎖反應, 老師要額外照顧小朋友, 影響老師備課及休息時間, 教學質數可能受影響. 結果該校都轉了直資, 讓學校可以揀家長揀小朋友. 問心一句, 如果有得揀, 大家會點揀?
原帖由 猴子爸 於 09-9-30 11:20 發表
在公园里遇到不礼貌的人，避开他们就是了，但说到学校，就是另外回事，万一是没什么教养的孩子，而且人数众多，成为自己孩子的朋辈，说到底都会担心吧。就好像jeremy讲的例子，我相信真的不少。
judy,你会不会直接吐痰到rubbish bin？ ...
作者: ziyi 時間: 09-9-30 11:50
我同意會擔心的,自己撫心自問也會擔心沒有教養的小朋友影響自己囡囡
亦同意這不是少數例子,很多,所以才要去選擇好的學校
老一代的公公婆婆,我見到也有直接吐痰,而且不是吐在垃圾桶
我遇到的是吐在我褲子上,我是很生氣,但只對那位公公
但絕不會伸延到"新移民"上
所以你可以說我蠢,說我笨,我就是那種那個對我幹了不好的事,只會對那人說
但仍舊相信看不到的,大部分世界是善良
以身作則,保持赤子之心,才可教導小朋友有愛心,好行為
原帖由 猴子爸 於 09-9-30 11:20 發表
在公园里遇到不礼貌的人，避开他们就是了，但说到学校，就是另外回事，万一是没什么教养的孩子，而且人数众多，成为自己孩子的朋辈，说到底都会担心吧。就好像jeremy讲的例子，我相信真的不少。
judy,你会不会直接吐痰到rubbish bin？ ...
作者: gingerale 時間: 09-9-30 12:01
Speaking of percentages, we need to know that the chance of getting in a popular DSS/private school is only 5-10%. That means a high percentage of middle-class, "well-disciplined" children will still end up in those regular schools where the "majority" of students are coming from low-income, "poorly-disciplined" new mainland immigrant families.
原帖由 Yonniewong 於 09-9-30 11:36 發表
我絶對贊成係百份比問題. 我都識很多內地人很有教養, 但現時的教育制度及環境下, 不得不令家轉投直資或私校.
曾經聽過, 有間學校打電話比個新移民家長, 因發現他的子女沒有人接放學, 仍在學校, 可是那家長反問一句, ...
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作者: judy 時間: 09-9-30 12:10
原帖由 猴子爸 於 09-9-30 11:20 發表
在公园里遇到不礼貌的人，避开他们就是了，但说到学校，就是另外回事，万一是没什么教养的孩子，而且人数众多，成为自己孩子的朋辈，说到底都会担心吧。就好像jeremy讲的例子，我相信真的不少。
judy,你会不会直接吐痰到rubbish bin？ ...
猴子爸，
我也相信人以群居的道理，所以我也選校。但我相信，如果我孩子校內的朋友是新移民，也是質素好的。会選St mary, MaryNorll的新移民家長，不会差到那里吧。正如有人，選到一家週圍都是質素很差的人(新移民)，我想他應該檢討自己。
我看"蘋果橙經济學"，里面有提及美國選校制度的，作者發現，不管白人黑人，不管有沒有被學校抽中，有参加選校的小朋友，長大成績都好。黑人白人沒有分野，何况大家都是中國人？人有分野，但分野不在種族或新舊移民！
孔子的年代，尚請提倡"既來之則安之"，何况現在？現在香港問題很大，新一代港男港女宁養狗都唔生小孩，既有新移民補充，也難得佢地肯生小孩，就應好好建立一個環境。
不要去看輕別人，人会進步的。
作者: dora媽 時間: 09-9-30 12:22
我路過的.插兩句嘴:
正如:你揀一間多數質素差.吐痰.沒品.的新移民學校-
係唔係都應該檢討一吓自己呢??原帖由 judy 於 09-9-30 12:10 發表
猴子爸，
我也相信人以群居的道理，所以我也選校。但我相信，如果我孩子校內的朋友是新移民，也是質素好的。会選St mary, MaryNorll的新移民家長，不会差到那里吧。正如有人，選到一家週圍都是質素很差的人(新移民)，我想他應該 ...
作者: judy 時間: 09-9-30 12:29
原帖由 dora媽 於 09-9-30 12:22 發表
我路過的.插兩句嘴:
正如:你揀一間多數質素差.吐痰.沒品.的新移民學校-
係唔係都應該檢討一吓自己呢??
檢討吓自己好正常，好似我去買西瓜、買蟹，試試吓就得嘅啦！
吐痰的問題，或一些儀表問題，教教吓就得啦。有冇品，我估香港人唔会好品過新移民！
作者: celialing 時間: 09-9-30 13:01
完全同意,同埋在公共場所無公德,不理人感受,當然不是所有人都是這樣,但本人就真係見好多,就算你開到聲同佢講借借,都可以當人無到,同埋真係好似唔知要排隊咁架,真係唔明,真係好難頂架,都知道係大家文化不一所致,真希望過渡期快啲過啦
原帖由 HIN2003 於 09-9-29 17:23 發表
我只是過路, 但忍唔住想插嘴.
我覺得大陸人, 唔等於窮.
只係文化唔同, 我接受唔到佢地無衛生常識, 唔喜歡排隊, 樣樣都理所當然.
[ 本帖最後由 celialing 於 09-9-30 13:04 編輯 ]
作者: 猴子爸 時間: 09-9-30 13:05
judy,
1. 你提到新移民中都有质素很差的，现在我们不就是针对这一批来讨论吗?
2. 搂主提到的学校圣罗杀，虽然可能在大众排名上不及St Mary, Maryknoll等等，但校誉也不错，只是楼主发现十个报名的有四个是"疑似"新移民，也难怪他会想:我会不会就是judy和dora妈所讲的，选错了学校?但选错，都是自己的错呢?
3。 “吐痰的問題，或一些儀表問題，教教吓就得啦。有冇品，我估香港人唔会好品過新移民！“我也觉得是可以教的，只是时间问题，好像有个名句: in the long run, we're all dead.
原帖由 judy 於 09-9-30 12:10 發表
猴子爸，
我也相信人以群居的道理，所以我也選校。但我相信，如果我孩子校內的朋友是新移民，也是質素好的。会選St mary, MaryNorll的新移民家長，不会差到那里吧。正如有人，選到一家週圍都是質素很差的人(新移民)，我想他應該 ...
[ 本帖最後由 猴子爸 於 09-9-30 13:09 編輯 ]
作者: ziyi 時間: 09-9-30 13:08
講自己的瘡疤,我父親是一個滿口髒話,每兩句就會問候人,好杯中物,吸煙,由小沒有教養我們兄弟姊妹
母親則工作,也沒有理我們,我們也只讀普通brand 2 & brand 3學校,半工讀完成自己的學位,專業
但現在我們各兄弟姊妹,每一個都好好(雖然不是全部完成學位,但半數啦),每一個都沒有吸煙飲酒,沒有一個對人說髒話
我絕對同意父母的教導,朋黨的影響會很大
我也不想自己囡囡受影響,但貧窮,父母行為不好,不一定是小朋友學壞的借口
不見名校也有人吸毒,當然是少數
最主要看自己(小朋友),及我們去怎樣教導
小朋友有唔好的行為,我們怎樣改他/她們
小至見人無說禮貌語
作者: celialing 時間: 09-9-30 13:15
原帖由 angelsecond88 於 09-9-30 02:53 發表
我都係路過既,不過我都眼見唔少新移民真係好離譜,佢地好鍾意俾d小朋友喺公園玩,而佢地d大人就自己傾計,佢地有佢地傾,d小朋友就自己玩,完全唔理.個d小朋友好鍾意除哂鞋四圍跑,霸住個sir滑梯唔俾其他小朋友玩,又從滑梯 ...
我都同你一樣有同樣的事,之後我好嬲叫小朋友係要一齊玩,如果唔係你返屋企先可以自己玩晒,佢媽咪重話我,我真係好嬲,咁而家係你個仔整到人都咁,我就無再同佢講野,佢又係有幾個人一齊係度傾計,重即刻係咁係人前話我,真係激死,不過我見到其他人就沒有加意見,只是笑笑就算,我相信不是全部都係咁,不過自己都俾個啲人話不止一次啦,如果你唁出聲就無事既,只要你講一句,佢地就會好大聲話你,唉
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