教育王國
標題: 保良局蔡繼有學校 or 保良局陳守仁小學 [打印本頁]
作者: sasayip 時間: 09-9-23 16:00 標題: 保良局蔡繼有學校 or 保良局陳守仁小學
my daughter is now studying in k1 (Eng/Putonghua) at an international kindergarten and now i'm doing research on primary school. would anyone can comment on the two schools mentioned, thank you 
作者: hkaa 時間: 09-10-26 21:59
我朋友的孩子在蔡繼有拿獎學金讀書,她說很好,但學費很貴,約5-7萬多元一年;陳守仁也不錯,但有較多的東南亞學生,是直資學校,學費較便宜,但今年有超過三千人報名,競爭激烈!
作者: rachncurtsmom 時間: 09-10-26 23:45
If money is not a concern, I would definitely choose CKY between the two. Both schools have good English environment. But it seems to me that TSL's main concern/selling point is the English environment, and English environment only. From what the principal said, CKY would try to make it fun and enjoyable to study.
作者: yypapa 時間: 09-10-27 05:26
I will choose 陳守仁. While they have similar English env't, 陳守仁 has 3rd language (Japaness or French). 南亞學生 is not a concern for me as this only means the school is more internationally diversitified. This will also mean your kid will have more chance to communicate in English with others. The concern is that 陳守仁 doesn't have direct linked secondary school.
原帖由 rachncurtsmom 於 09-10-26 23:45 發表 
If money is not a concern, I would definitely choose CKY between the two. Both schools have good English environment. But it seems to me that TSL's main concern/selling point is the English environm ...
作者: Oscarmom 時間: 09-10-27 09:20
i will choose CKY...
作者: gingerale 時間: 09-10-27 11:18
PLK CKY school ($55000 X 6):
All students go to CKY secondary section ($73480 X 6)
Total cost = $770880 (current rate)
PLK TSL ($14800 x 6):
Top students go to LaSalle, Wah Yan, Maryknoll Convent, Marymount, etc. (all free), most others go to above-average EMI schools (mostly free).
Total cost = $88800 (current)
So there is a potential difference of about $700K (possibly more in 12 years time). I am not sure if all the advantages of CKY over TSL really worth $700K which means a lot to many families. We need to keep in mind that the quality if the CKY secondary section is still unknown.
[ 本帖最後由 gingerale 於 09-10-27 11:35 編輯 ]
作者: flostangraphy 時間: 09-10-27 11:41
蔡繼有is running IB, so it's hard to compare between these schools.
most likely better compare with international schools instead.
if your daughter is already in an international kindergarten, then the cost is not that important.
作者: kyliema2006 時間: 09-10-27 11:41
A correction. CKY's school fee should be:
$55,000 x 5 = $275,000
$73480 x 7 = $514,360 (The school fee for Yr 11 & Y12 should be higher)
Minimum Fee = $789,360
我是其中一個要比咁貴學費的家長，聽到都覺得好肉痛呀！但是我換來是孩子的語文能力，英文可能没有國際學校養成的特別口音，但中文可媲美本地學校，普通話更是心服口服，又會自動自覺閱讀，我都會繼續忍痛交學費的。雖然未曾有公開成續，但學校亦有參與澳洲那個International School of Assessment， 亦可作為公開試的一點契機。
若不喜歡讀書為考試的教育制度，蔡繼有可能是不錯的選擇，問題是你願意付出嗎？
原帖由 gingerale 於 09-10-27 11:18 發表
PLK CKY school ($55000 X 6):
All students go to CKY secondary section ($73480 X 6)
Total cost = $770880 (current rate)
PLK TSL ($14800 x 6):
Top students go to LaSalle, Wah Yan, Maryknoll Convent, M ...
[ 本帖最後由 kyliema2006 於 09-10-27 11:45 編輯 ]
作者: flostangraphy 時間: 09-10-27 11:49
i'm however not sure that TSL only concern english environment within their curriculum...
i find that they are well balanced between Creative, Cultural, Sports and Communication activities. and if you have spent sometime in the TSL thread, you will find that both the parents and pupils in this school are really happy, willing to help and cultivated!
(i'm not one of them however, but i really hoping that our son would able to study inside.)
原帖由 rachncurtsmom 於 26/10/2009 23:45 發表
If money is not a concern, I would definitely choose CKY between the two. Both schools have good English environment. But it seems to me that TSL's main concern/selling point is the English environm ...
作者: gingerale 時間: 09-10-27 12:12
"若不喜歡讀書為考試的教育制度，蔡繼有可能是不錯的選擇，問題是你願意付出嗎"
Thank you for your corrections on the school fee.
I agree with you on the advantages of studying at CKY. But the key question is, as you mentioned, 問題是你願意付出嗎?
HKD 789,360 is not a small amount to many middle class families including us. So we just don't feel it is worthy for the advantages which you described.
But if HKD 789,360 were not a big deal to us, that would be another story. The school campus is brand new and it looks very nice. If money is not a problem, why not?
原帖由 kyliema2006 於 09-10-27 11:41 發表
A correction. CKY's school fee should be:
$55,000 x 5 = $275,000
$73480 x 7 = $514,360 (The school fee for Yr 11 & Y12 should be higher)
Minimum Fee = $789,360
我是其中一個要比咁貴學費的家長，聽到都 ...
[ 本帖最後由 gingerale 於 09-10-27 12:25 編輯 ]
作者: gingerale 時間: 09-10-27 12:15
"但是我換來是孩子的語文能力，英文可能没有國際學校養成的特別口音，但中文可媲美本地學校，普通話更是心服口服，又會自動自覺閱讀"
By the way, as a TSL parent, I also find the same qualities which you described above in my children and many of their classmates.
原帖由 kyliema2006 於 09-10-27 11:41 發表
A correction. CKY's school fee should be:
$55,000 x 5 = $275,000
$73480 x 7 = $514,360 (The school fee for Yr 11 & Y12 should be higher)
Minimum Fee = $789,360
我是其中一個要比咁貴學費的家長，聽到都 ...
[ 本帖最後由 gingerale 於 09-10-27 12:23 編輯 ]
作者: bobee 時間: 09-10-27 12:27 標題: 回覆 1# sasayip 的文章
I would decide if I only got accepted by the 2 schools. Try not to think about it too much at the moment. Still a long way to go.
作者: kyliema2006 時間: 09-10-27 12:34
That's good! 我不敢評論哪間學校的學生較有優勢，因為每種學校或每種教育制度都能培養出尖子，問題是你適合哪種，或你有選擇權嗎！
我祇知道蔡繼有適合我及小兒，因我不喜歡香港的教育制度，甚麼334, TXX好像很惱人的，而孩子喜歡閱讀的性格則使他的人生海闊天空。說實話，我不願為孩子在考試卷上多一、兩分，而額外付出那麼多時間，我覺得很無謂，我寧願花多點時間與孩子多閱讀。
原帖由 gingerale 於 09-10-27 12:15 發表
"但是我換來是孩子的語文能力，英文可能没有國際學校養成的特別口音，但中文可媲美本地學校，普通話更是心服口服，又會自動自覺閱讀"
By the way, as a TSL parent, I also find the same qualities which you described ab ...
作者: bobee 時間: 09-10-27 13:44 標題: 回覆 13# kyliema2006 的文章
hi kyliema, same as me. i hate the school system in hK and that's why i hate the gov't/subsidy schools. most of them, push push push. getting 80+ still not good enough. everyone is fighting to go to top rank class. kids are not enjoying schools at all. all these teachers expect parents to send kids to private tutors - Primary 1 with tutoring already?!
作者: rachncurtsmom 時間: 09-10-27 13:51
原帖由 bobee 於 09-10-27 13:44 發表
hi kyliema, same as me. i hate the school system in hK and that's why i hate the gov't/subsidy schools. most of them, push push push. getting 80+ still not good enough. everyone is fighting to go ...
Yes, it's insane that P1 students need private tutoring already. I was on the minibus last week and I overheard the mommy sitting in front of me. She's looking for a private tutor for her P1 child - 1 hour/day, 5 days/week. 
作者: gingerale 時間: 09-10-27 14:19
If you have a chance to look at some test/exam papers for P1 pupils, you will understand why getting 80+ marks is not good enough.
Speaking of tests/exam, if CKY does not care about them, why are they arranging public exams like the ISA as well as IGCSE for year 10+ IB exam for year 12 students? And CKY parents who hate tests/exams so much are happy with these arrangements while the majority of HK students are only taking 1 public exam at the end of secondary 6?
原帖由 bobee 於 09-10-27 13:44 發表
hi kyliema, same as me. i hate the school system in hK and that's why i hate the gov't/subsidy schools. most of them, push push push. getting 80+ still not good enough. everyone is fighting to go ...
[ 本帖最後由 gingerale 於 09-10-27 14:35 編輯 ]
作者: sschiu 時間: 09-10-27 14:55
Let's not complicate the question and argue from different points of view. CKY is definitely more expensive because they are running the IB curriculum and the whole programme from primary to senior secondary is preparing students for it. IB itself is very expensive to run. The school has to meet certain professional requirements which are expensive to maintain. In the primary, they have at least 2 teachers for each class, so that individual child has adequate attention and being taken care of in their learning needs.
I am not sure how the other school is run and why the tuition fees are lower. Definitely the 2 schools' are very different in management and programme planning and that's why. You cannot compare which school is "better" because education is not a "product" and it works differently on each child. Some children can do very well and learn very happily in CKY but some cannot. It is a matter of matching! A matching of the school with each child's personality, intelligence, capability and also the parents' expectations and involvement!
My son is in CKY for the 3rd year and I am very grateful to the school that he has turned into a presentable (relatively) boy from a shy and passive one. His progress in reading and learning has surprised me these years. Moreover, he is now a very confident boy and willing to ask questions sensibly. He is motivated to learn about new things and getting to know better how to search for answers independently. It is too early to conclude if the tuition fees worth it or not, but at least we know it is the right school for him.
作者: kyliema2006 時間: 09-10-27 15:02
這個理論我都是第一次聽到，很有趣。現時的教育制度，小三、小五的TSA，考中學又帶來一大堆煩惱，未必個個家長喜歡。您喜歡，我可恭喜你，因你可省回不少金錢。否則，就不會有那麼多的家長把子女送進收費高昂的私校又或者是國際學校裡去。
話說回來，學校參加ISA，家長是不知道的，由交學費到考試，學校一手包辦，家長全蒙在鼓裡，直至收到成績單，才知道孩子的功夫！我覺得挺好呀，孩子在不需要操鍊下得到的成績才是真正的成績嘛！到高中生考IGCSE又或是IBD時，忙的是他們，不是家長呢！我們要幫也幫不了了，不像現時那麼多家長為孩子的各項評估而費寢忘餐，更要浪費其珍貴的假期一同溫習呢。
原帖由 gingerale 於 09-10-27 14:19 發表
If you have a chance to look at some test/exam papers for P1 pupils, you will understand why getting 80+ marks is not good enough.
Speaking of tests/exam, if CKY does not care about them, why are the ...
[ 本帖最後由 kyliema2006 於 09-10-27 15:11 編輯 ]
作者: father_ho 時間: 09-10-27 15:03 標題: 回覆 16# gingerale 的文章
Dear Gingerale,
To answer your concern is simple, for one dragon private school, CKY need not push the student in order for the TSA at year 3. Need not concern about the 1st and 2nd mark submission for Year 5 and 6. Need not concern about the scoring at F3 and accepting non-qualified student for F4 to F6. In between those years, for lower to upper pri, private tutor is required. For F3 onwards, those 'A''s tutoring class is necessary for precisely scoring what the marker's preference. For Test/Exam itself is not the problem but the reaction from student/parent is unacceptable. At least, uptill now not many tutoring class are for the IGCSE and IB which means that even if you want to train them to be a machine is not that easy and implies all of us need to train our kids from now to broaden their view.
作者: gingerale 時間: 09-10-27 16:24
I agree that "matching" is the key to determine whether a school is suitable for our kids.
We have been to their briefing talk, talked to their teachers, the two pricinpals, and teachers who know about this school. We just don't feel what CKY may offer to our children worth the school fees they ask for - BUT this is for our own situation ONLY.
I was not suggesting that all parents are wasting their money by sending their kids there.
Perhaps the exam/test issue is a major difference between CKY and TSL. And different systems have their "followers".
On the other hand, in terms of lanuage environment and character development, we have seen many TSL pupils with good lanuage ability (english and PTH) and are presentable and self-confident like some CKY parents described about their children.
原帖由 sschiu 於 09-10-27 14:55 發表
Let's not complicate the question and argue from different points of view. CKY is definitely more expensive because they are running the IB curriculum and the whole programme from primary to senior se ...
作者: gingerale 時間: 09-10-27 16:31
You made it sound like CKY parents can be worry-free about their children's study all the way to year 12. Good for you if it is really the case.
原帖由 kyliema2006 於 09-10-27 15:02 發表
這個理論我都是第一次聽到，很有趣。現時的教育制度，小三、小五的TSA，考中學又帶來一大堆煩惱，未必個個家長喜歡。您喜歡，我可恭喜你，因你可省回不少金錢。否則，就不會有那麼多的家長把子女送進收費高昂的私校又或者是國際學 ...
作者: kyliema2006 時間: 09-10-27 16:46
噢！教育孩子那會不費勁的，我教導孩子都嘔了很多桶血呢！要教導他減少文法錯漏、寫中文字的竅門、要求他做數學時頭腦要轉快些，要改善的地方真不少呢！祇不過是不需要為分數而嘔多兩桶血啫。
原帖由 gingerale 於 09-10-27 16:31 發表
You made it sound like CKY parents can be worry-free about their children's study all the way to year 12. Good for you if it is really the case.
作者: kunggi201 時間: 09-10-27 17:35
嘩～呢邊好熱鬧啊～～～！
首先申報利益，我是CKY小六學生家長，來自「中中地」的中產，每年交$73480 x 7年 = 總共$514,360（IB中學學費），夫妻都不是公務員，故此是真金白銀交學費，負擔都幾重。
有關CKY和TL的討論，經常都見到，今次都算幾激烈喎～～
其實，兩間學校所行的制度不同，誰優誰次，worth it or not？真是見人見智，很視乎家長的preference，也視乎學生的本質，適合那一類的學校。任何學校都有出色的學生，也有成績不好的學生，實在難以比較，也沒有必要比較。
選CKY的家長，相信大多和我一樣，年少時身受傳統教學之苦，又對現時政府教育制度投以不信任的一票，但又不想孩子進了國際學校而失去母語，卻又想孩子學好普遍話，而CKY正好是一個niche，符合我們的需要。
我曾在兩個暑假帶孩子去美加遊學（當時是升四年和升六年級），基本上，我孩子英語能力和社交能力良好，和彼岸的「竹升」契女、姪兒姪女、甚至「三唔識七」餐廳鄰座的人都可以有講有笑；又在四年和五年級時跟CKY去北京和台灣遊學，他和所有同學的普通話流利非常，個個都有份在台上做presentation，和對方學生即興做drama，絕對一讚！
既見成效，我自然覺得值啦～～
當然，如果我當日把孩子放入TSL，也有可能得到相同成績
正如，如果把TSL學生放入CKY，亦都有可能，他／她的成績會差左
因為CKY的教學模式，又未必適合所有小朋友
每年都有CKY學生退學，也不是沒有理由的
CKY六年級升七年級，是轉校的高峰期
很多家長安排小朋友報考政府中學 (省錢)，因為中英文良好，都得到不錯的選擇
而我，卻打算繼續「供會」
因為，「讀得好地地，為乜要冒險？」
[ 本帖最後由 kunggi201 於 09-10-28 09:26 編輯 ]
作者: sweetyboy 時間: 09-10-27 17:56
原帖由 kyliema2006 於 09-10-27 12:34 發表
That's good! 我不敢評論哪間學校的學生較有優勢，因為每種學校或每種教育制度都能培養出尖子，問題是你適合哪種，或你有選擇權嗎！
我祇知道蔡繼有適合我及小兒，因我不喜歡香港的教育制度，甚麼334, TXX好像很惱人的，而孩子喜 ...
[ 本帖最後由 sweetyboy 於 09-10-27 17:57 編輯 ]
作者: jojoma2009 時間: 09-10-27 23:16
原帖由 gingerale 於 09-10-27 12:15 發表
"但是我換來是孩子的語文能力，英文可能没有國際學校養成的特別口音，但中文可媲美本地學校，普通話更是心服口服，又會自動自覺閱讀"
By the way, as a TSL parent, I also find the same qualities which you described ab ...
I don't mean to compare two schools, but I have a question - many TSL students can speak fluent PTH?
How many PTH lessons per week? do students use PTH to communicate in school? Is it limited to those students coming from native PTH families?
Someone in the thread said the TSL also teaches Japanes and French, so every kid can speak multi-language very fluently? or these are just "interested group lessons"?
BTW, other than English and Cantonese, what language your kid can speak, I mean "fluently"?
作者: rachncurtsmom 時間: 09-10-28 00:35
原帖由 flostangraphy 於 09-10-27 11:49 發表
i'm however not sure that TSL only concern english environment within their curriculum...
i find that they are well balanced between Creative, Cultural, Sports and Communication activities. and if yo ...
Hi flostangraphy,
I didn't even notice your reply until just now. 
Let me be frank with you. TSL was on top of my priority list to begin with. But I was really disappointed with what I heard at the briefing session and the interview.
I personally know a graduate from TSL. I also have gone through a lot of threads about TSL, and am really grateful for all the parents' info.
I have my reasons for applying for TSL. But in the end, I will choose another school instead, which I think would be more suitable for my daughter. No matter how good a school is, it's the suitable one for our children that counts.
So I guess our children won't be classmates. Somehow I have the feeling that your son will go to TSL. After all, you are the e-Professor!
作者: smartcar 時間: 09-10-28 03:25
原帖由 kyliema2006 於 09-10-27 16:46 發表
噢！教育孩子那會不費勁的，我教導孩子都嘔了很多桶血呢！要教導他減少文法錯漏、寫中文字的竅門、要求他做數學時頭腦要轉快些，要改善的地方真不少呢！祇不過是不需要為分數而嘔多兩桶血啫。
...
The world is beautiful if no pressure in school. And parent have more quality moment with their kid during weekend..:idea:
作者: bonbonzhu 時間: 09-10-28 04:51
Eery year, parents compare the two. One is IB private with own curriculum. TSL is DSS with totally local curriculum . How can you compare ? Yes, I am TSL parents. Yes, it uses very traditional way to teach just like other many schools. It is fine with me.
The most kids speak Pth as all Chinese are PTH. And when I send her to the USA every summuar. I did not find any different. She just play and play everythin adn watch Niconodleon
quote]原帖由 kunggi201 於 09-10-27 17:35 發表
嘩～呢邊好熱鬧啊～～～！
首先申報利益，我是CKY小六學生家長，來自「中中地」的中產，每年交$73480 x 7年 = 總共$514,360（IB中學學費），夫妻都不是公務員，故此是真金白銀交學費，負擔都幾重。
有關CKY和TSA的討論，經常都見到，今次都算幾 ... [/quote]
作者: gingerale 時間: 09-10-28 08:30
I don't know about most TSL students, but my children and their friends are very proficient in both PTH and English for their ages.
FYI, starting from P2, all chinese lessons are taught in PTH. Also, Japanese and French are taught in regular classes. Non-chinese students take French as a major language subject. For Chinese students, I have to admit that they don't master French or Japanese proficiently, but the training is definitely more than one would expect for interest classes.
As to what languages students use to talk to each other outside the classrooms, it is impossible to force them not to use Cantonese. Is it possible at CKY? It has to occur naturally. TSL students are "forced" to speak English all the time to students who don't speak Chinese. Actually our kids were complained by teachers that they chatted too much during class with some non-chinese students when they were in P1.
Anyhow, I would not be surprised if it is really true that CKY students have better language abilities than TSL students in general, otherwise, why paying 4 times more school fee?
原帖由 jojoma2009 於 09-10-27 23:16 發表
I don't mean to compare two schools, but I have a question - many TSL students can speak fluent PTH?
How many PTH lessons per week? do students use PTH to communicate in school? Is it limited to ...
[ 本帖最後由 gingerale 於 09-10-28 09:57 編輯 ]
作者: flostangraphy 時間: 09-10-28 10:23
dear rachncurtsmom,
good luck to your daughter for whichever school she will be in!!
i personally didn't attend the briefing session, we have being to the open these 2 years to chat with the teachers and parents instead.
still, i'm happy for your sharing even our children won't be classmate.
did your daughter get an offer from a school already?
bon courage!!
原帖由 rachncurtsmom 於 28/10/2009 00:35 發表
Hi flostangraphy,
I didn't even notice your reply until just now.
Let me be frank with you. TSL was on top of my priority list to begin with. But I was really disappointed with what I ...
作者: kyliema2006 時間: 09-10-28 10:26
學習語言最有效的方法就是語境，而TSL的優勢就是夠國際化，這比其它的本地學校已經較優了，加上其學費吸引，所以都不失為一間語文較佳的學校。
至於蔡繼有的高昂學費，除了支付其校舍的開支、學制的支出、其師資的費用也不輕，大多數的老師要能掌流利(native)PTH或英語，其支出實在不輕。供股人仕要花數十萬元教育費，若發現貨不對辦，相信不需等到熟回期，大多數股民已經退股了，消費者不是盲目的。
P.S. 其實我數年前都為孩子考過TSL，當時老師以英語向家長解說面試流程，當時的感覺是怪怪的，發覺這未必是我杯茶，這純粹個人感受，亦未必代表教師質素有問題，祇是一種感覺而矣。
原帖由 gingerale 於 09-10-28 08:30 發表
I don't know about most TSL students, but my children and their friends are very proficient in both PTH and English for their ages.
FYI, starting from P2, all chinese lessons are taught in PTH. Also ...
作者: heison 時間: 09-10-28 10:51
Wow, 真是精彩的一輪Debate, 我只是路過, 對這標題實在有興趣, 因 為 my son will have 2nd interview in CKY this Saturday, and am waiting for TSL 2nd interview notice, actually both schools are good.
Thanks for all parents' opinion!
:loveliness:
作者: flostangraphy 時間: 09-10-28 10:58
uh??? i thought 蔡繼有should take one year earlier?
your son should apply last year cky or this year tsl, correct me if i am wrong.
原帖由 heison 於 28/10/2009 10:51 發表
Wow, 真是精彩的一輪Debate, 我只是路過, 對這標題實在有興趣, 因 為 my son will have 2nd interview in CKY this Saturday, and am waiting for TSL 2nd interview notice, actually both schools are good.
Than ...
作者: googoo 時間: 09-10-28 11:53
原帖由 flostangraphy 於 09-10-28 10:58 發表
uh??? i thought 蔡繼有should take one year earlier?
your son should apply last year cky or this year tsl, correct me if i am wrong.
No, both schools start at age 6
作者: flostangraphy 時間: 09-10-28 12:46
oh, i see. thanks for clarify!
原帖由 googoo 於 28/10/2009 11:53 發表
No, both schools start at age 6
作者: TszYingMama 時間: 09-10-28 22:50
Hi Kunggi,
請問知否六年級後, 通常會轉去那類型本地中學, 能夠涵接嗎?
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CKY六年級升七年級，是轉校的高峰期
很多家長安排小朋友報考政府中學 (省錢)，因為中英文良好，都得到不錯的選擇
而我，卻打算繼續「供會」
因為，「讀得好地地，為乜要冒險？」
原帖由 kunggi201 於 09-10-27 17:35 發表
嘩～呢邊好熱鬧啊～～～！
首先申報利益，我是CKY小六學生家長，來自「中中地」的中產，每年交$73480 x 7年 = 總共$514,360（IB中學學費），夫妻都不是公務員，故此是真金白銀交學費，負擔都幾重。
有關CKY和TL的討論，經常都見到，今次都算幾激 ...
作者: kunggi201 時間: 09-10-29 11:41
原帖由 TszYingMama 於 09-10-28 22:50 發表
Hi Kunggi,
請問知否六年級後, 通常會轉去那類型本地中學, 能夠涵接嗎?..
我是在最近遇到一位七年級家長，閒談時得知
照她所說，她兒子在六年升七年級時，大約兩、三成同學轉回政府中學
而她的exact wordings是：「佢地都考得幾好架！」
要知道，CKY家長都是中產，對學校的要求也頗高
如果不是好學校，也不會為了省錢而轉校吧
由於我無意為孩子轉校，也沒有細問是那類型本地中學
就算問，也只局限於該家長圈子而矣
至於能否涵接，我相信是沒有問題
保良局所有學校，以至不少政府學校、私校，國際學校都有參加International Assessment for Schools，CKY學生的成績是絕對可以肯定
語言能力好，吸收能力強，相信他們很快便會適應
其實，說來說去，報讀本地學校或IB學校
是視乎大家信任那一項教育制度
中間又泛及金錢問題
簡單來說，如果本地直資學校和IB學校的學費相同
你又會選蔡繼有，還是陳守仁？
像我夫妻，因為我們的背景、過往曾在不同教育制度下求學過
是比較接受IB，覺得孩子比較適合IB，故此為孩子朝這方向鋪路
既然有了心儀學校，為了孩子，即使付出四倍學費，也覺得值得
本地學校有本地學校的好處
香港有不少揚威海外的名人、科學家等
有些是土生土長在香港學校受教育
也有些是在香港讀書不成，到了外國才知「非池中物」
選甚麼學校，真是要視乎孩子的本質
作者: kyliema2006 時間: 09-10-29 14:50
兩、三成同學，數目不少喎！我認識有一位讀完Yr 6後轉到沙官。
原帖由 kunggi201 於 09-10-29 11:41 發表
我是在最近遇到一位七年級家長，閒談時得知
照她所說，她兒子在六年升七年級時，大約兩、三成同學轉回政府中學
而她的exact wordings是：「佢地都考得幾好架！」
要知道，CKY家長都是中產，對學校的要求也頗高
如果不是好學校，也 ...
作者: 15分 時間: 09-10-29 15:06
真熱鬧,又是保良內訌
相信看這個主題的都是這兩所學校的家長或希望入這兩所學校的家長.試問從前你們的首選是否它呢?我就不是,我的首選是DXX或者是一間大抽獎中的名校,後者是又唔駛錢又有相信是好教育...有好選擇邊個想俾錢讀啊.
說到邊間好些,年年不同,從前可能話TSL好,我好相信,魚池少,當多了一些私校或直資,它們有新的理念,好多小朋友/家長就被吸引到那邊,自然魚就游去好住的地方.有學校做得更好,自然以後冇人提TSL/CKY.當一群好的小朋友集在一起,自然引發學習氣氛,再加上資源上的好供應(老師/或家中無限的$...課外學習),一間好學校就由此來.試想想,是否你們的小朋友比DXX差呢?或者DXX老師教得好些呢?(當然可能是)但當一班精英集在一起,自然跟不上就要走,或者拼命地追.(感染)
CKY現在還可以,但當學校忘掉堅持的信念,或者理行持續現行的政策,那就...當環境跟不上其它學校,魚自然會游走...所有學校包括TSL/CKY都會或者已experience過.
點解有些TSL/CKY's top student 要走去聖la拔,有些CKY中學生要轉校呢?有更適合的選擇.可能學夠中文/學費問題....
不如數吓有咩唔好的地方,叫自己學校改善更有好處啦.
[ 本帖最後由 15分 於 09-10-29 15:25 編輯 ]
作者: flostangraphy 時間: 09-10-29 17:23
"叫自己學校改善更有好處啦",
自己學校.... 你意思是現在讀緊的kindergarten??!!
原帖由 15分 於 29/10/2009 15:06 發表
真熱鬧,又是保良內訌
相信看這個主題的都是這兩所學校的家長或希望入這兩所學校的家長.試問從前你們的首選是否它呢?我就不是,我的首選是DXX或者是一間大抽獎中的名校,後者是又唔駛錢又有相信是好教育...有好選擇邊 ...
作者: kyliema2006 時間: 09-10-29 17:49
意思是講講現時小學的不足之處，以便針對性改善。
15分，
你講得好鬼隱晦，【繼續履行現時的政策，當環境跟不上其它學校，云云】甚麼意思呢？不太明白啊！
原帖由 flostangraphy 於 09-10-29 17:23 發表
"叫自己學校改善更有好處啦",
自己學校.... 你意思是現在讀緊的kindergarten??!!
[ 本帖最後由 kyliema2006 於 09-10-29 17:51 編輯 ]
作者: gingerale 時間: 09-10-29 18:24
Very sensible sharing, Kunggi201.
Besides the school fee, IB was another concern for us when we were considering CKY. It seems like IB students mostly will end up studying in universities overseas - that means additional funding which may cost over 1 million. A friend working in university admission told us that the local places are mainly (>95%) for JUPAS (now) and 3-3-4 (after 2012) students. IB students need to compete with mainland, associate degree, and overseas students for the remaining 5%. Also those highly popular programs (e.g. medicine) will only admit 1 or 2 non-JUPAS/non-334 students.
原帖由 kunggi201 於 09-10-29 11:41 發表
我是在最近遇到一位七年級家長，閒談時得知
照她所說，她兒子在六年升七年級時，大約兩、三成同學轉回政府中學
而她的exact wordings是：「佢地都考得幾好架！」
要知道，CKY家長都是中產，對學校的要求也頗高
如果不是好學校，也 ...
[ 本帖最後由 gingerale 於 09-10-29 18:25 編輯 ]
作者: kkpapa 時間: 09-10-29 23:21
原帖由 gingerale 於 09-10-29 18:24 發表
Very sensible sharing, Kunggi201.
Besides the school fee, IB was another concern for us when we were considering CKY. It seems like IB students mostly will end up studying in universities overseas - ...
按城大資料，non-Jupas 佔總學生人數約25%，在CKY的seminar 裡提到香港各大學學院也大概是這個比例，還有上升的趨勢，大學在國際上的排名，其中一項就是收生的多元化和國際化，IB內容強調國際視野、種族和諧、與及培養領袖才能，在現今社會上，是有它的市場價值的。
作者: kunggi201 時間: 09-10-30 17:18
原帖由 gingerale 於 09-10-29 18:24 發表
Very sensible sharing, Kunggi201.
Besides the school fee, IB was another concern for us when we were considering CKY. It seems like IB students mostly will end up studying in universities overseas - ...
Quite busy today.
I better use English coz I can type much faster.
My views could be offensive, and I must emphasize that it is based on my personal experience.
I have been hesitating to share my views because it may create discomforts of many people.
Apology for this.
Over the years I met with some 300 universities students due to my company’s projects with the Federation of Youths (青協).
And, my company assigns me one or two internship students every summer.
I graduated from a second-class university (二流大學) in US, and regrettably, I don’t feel the same quality from the majority of Hong Kong universities students as I could get from my foreign classmates – in terms of vision, language abilities, creativity and leadership.
A few of them, maybe 10% were top HK students, who were great indeed, but mostly graduated from “very top local schools”, international schools or overseas high schools, exchange students from the Mainland (speaking good English too!) and other countries.
I sometimes visit China and meet Mainland officials, and found that they are picking up fast, and even speaking better English than we do (especially those young officials in Beijing and Shanghai).
I can recall that I visited a Guangzhou company some years ago, during which the CEO introduced some of his Chinese colleagues to me and my accompanying HK students.
Some of his Chinese staff could speak German, or French or other languages.
The CEO passed a message – why should he employ HK graduates, whilst Mainland students are much cheaper, with higher quality?
Such messages are repeatedly told by my other clients and business partners.
Even in my company, we started hiring young mainland executives 10 years ago.
Hong Kong people have been proud of our international vision/eyesight
國際視野and language ability, but it seems that we are losing our strengths and competitiveness.
Many people are still day-dreaming of being superiority, but I can tell you that we are actually looked down by foreigners, and even by mainland Chinese.
What’s wrong with our kids and our education system?
My job nature requires me to work with many HKSAR officials, so I trust I understand their ways of thinking.
What they are looking for is “measurable achievement” (number), no matter in the areas of trade and business development, environmental protection, education, and etc.
This implies, for examples, the Education Bureau – they are concerned of the “percentage” of young people entering tertiary education rather than the quality of these students, the “passing rate” of public exams to prove the success of the ever-changing policies.
The recent Policy Address has identified education as one of the six industries with high potential.
Could you see “how”? Do you believe so?
Where the senior education officials put their kid for high education? local or overseas universities?
As 15分mentioned, I am a believer of “Things of one kind come together” (物以類聚).
With such quality of university students, could Hong Kong be the education hub?
I trust our local universities are well aware of this issue, otherwise they could have lost reputation in the nearly future.
If things are going to change, there is a need to revamp the whole education system in a longer term, so that our universities will not be filled with “stuff ducks.”
Not only the universities, but also schools like DXX, CKY, TSL and many other “new concept” schools have differentiated themselves with the traditional teaching mode (again, different kids fit to different schools).
The other shortcut is to increase the diversity of university students, and as kkpapa mentioned, there is a growing trend of accepting IB students to local universities.
Of course I would rather let my kid stay home and save money, but if things are not going to change and if my financial situation allows, I would use every penny to send him abroad.
Well, let’s see~~
作者: gingerale 時間: 09-10-30 17:50
Sorry if my previous message made you feel offended. I was only suggesting, based on what I know, that local universities are likely to still admit mostly mainstream local students in the years ahead. The govt will be running into political troubles if the 3-3-4 system ends up with lower number or percentage of local students admitted by the publicly-funded universities.
Actually I agree with you on what you feel about the qualities of local university graduates. Sadly there is nothing we parents can do about them.
So for IB students, I think it is wise to go overseas for undergraduate studies, as long as family support is not a problem. Afterall, they should be better prepared for international studying environment.
Unfortunately for families like ours, it may not be affordable to send our kids overseas for college. So after 12 years of IB education in a good school like CKY, our kids may still need to compete for the limited local undergraduate spaces available to non-mainstream students. And the chances of getting into the top programs in top schools are even slimmer.
原帖由 kunggi201 於 09-10-30 17:18 發表
Quite busy today.
I better use English coz I can type much faster.
My views could be offensive, and I must emphasize that it is based on my personal experience.
I have been hesitating to share my ...
[ 本帖最後由 gingerale 於 09-10-30 17:52 編輯 ]
作者: 猴子爸 時間: 09-10-30 18:06
其实，这样理解对不对?读IB,就最好预定要出国，读mainstream,就两条路都可走，只是出国路就没有IB那么好。
作者: father_ho 時間: 09-10-30 19:45
IB system is just a different delivery and assessment scheme only. It's far not concern with the future study path. The illusion is in the past, only very few IB graduate and even few are willing to stay in HK's U that make the acceptance rate very low. As we all know it is the concern of the HK's U to attract bright student both from local and oversea, they will find their way out. The only concern for us is how we can prepare our kids to face those coming challenge and not ask for the system to block those non-main stream student.
I personally get a feeling some parent always has a perception under IB system must leds to future oversea study. Why not focus on which system is suitable for your kids now under different family support?
作者: papa_pop 時間: 09-10-30 22:32
Think kkpapa has presented a picture closer to the reality.
Take HKU as an example, there were around 800 first-year students admitted through the non-jupas scheme in 2008. The non-jupas scheme is not really restrictive as some may say.
原帖由 kkpapa 於 09-10-29 23:21 發表
按城大資料，non-Jupas 佔總學生人數約25%，在CKY的seminar 裡提到香港各大學學院也大概是這個比例，還有上升的趨勢，大學在國際上的排名，其中一項就是收生的多元化和國際化，IB內容強調國際視野、種族和諧、與及培養領袖才能 ...
作者: Anna-friend 時間: 09-10-31 00:15 標題: Good discussion
I appreciate kunggi201's observation. The HK government bureaucrats are only interested in 'measurable achievement". The recent 'energy saving bulbs' is an example. The secretary for environment wants to achieve a target of reducing carbon emissions. But actually the 'energy saving bulbs' are not environmental at all in its production and disposal and also could cause safety and environmental hazards due to its mercury contents.
Talking about IB. Why worry about the university admission some 10 or 12 years away. The world is moving fast. What is more important for children are communication skills, perspectives and peer group influence, rather than memorizing many text. So I think many schools are heading towards that direction.
I just have a concern that in new style of school, children have a relaxed school life. While traditional schools may apply more pressure and demand more tasks. Will children under traditional method be tougher and able to stand challenges and pressure? That is one of my concerns. Otherwise, I would rather the child having less homework or tests, but more time to read, to learn other interesting things.
kunggi201, you should post your discussion in another column for more to read.
原帖由 kunggi201 於 09-10-30 17:18 發表
Quite busy today.
I better use English coz I can type much faster.
My views could be offensive, and I must emphasize that it is based on my personal experience.
I have been hesitating to share my ...
作者: flostangraphy 時間: 09-10-31 09:42
thanks a lot for sharing!!!
原帖由 kunggi201 於 30/10/2009 17:18 發表
Quite busy today.
I better use English coz I can type much faster.
My views could be offensive, and I must emphasize that it is based on my personal experience.
I have been hesitating to share my ...
作者: 凱富路 時間: 09-10-31 13:55
IB家長們﹕
IB課程也許有它的優勢和理想﹐但在香港的成效有待驗證﹐不同學校辦IB就像各自做實驗。
不要聽到子女回家和外出講到幾句流利英語普通話就覺得IB很成功。其實你去EK那些直資私小的分享站﹐大部份家長都話小朋友喜歡上學﹐語言能力變好﹐變得大膽有自信等等﹐天價﹐中產價﹐街坊價學校好像沒什麼差別﹗
還有在香港死板官僚的教育的制度下﹐千萬不要存著10年8年後本地大學會大量收取IB學生的迷思。 反正本地大學生質素沒況越下﹐外國名牌大學也多的是。(難道你們真的相信那些排名榜﹐以為香港大學比史丹福更勁﹖)
所以﹐不是很有米的IB家長們﹐還是早點投資教育基金﹐預備十萬八萬美金歐元澳幣送子女出國﹐如果沒遇上金融風暴或沙士﹐10年8年時間應該夠吧﹗
[ 本帖最後由 凱富路 於 09-10-31 13:57 編輯 ]
作者: tinkerbell2004 時間: 09-11-1 08:53
Different parents have different points of view.
It's an interesting topic about IB course.
作者: kunggi201 時間: 09-11-2 11:43
原帖由 Anna-friend 於 09-10-31 00:15 發表
I appreciate kunggi201's observation. The HK government bureaucrats are only interested in 'measurable achievement". The recent 'energy saving bulbs' is an example. The secretary for environment w ...
Secretary for the Environment Edward Yau is a nice and hardworking official, whom I highly respect. 他經常出席大小場合，不介意人多人少身份高低，用盡方法宣傳他的工作，以至，在公關及event management行業流傳一個笑話：「He has no market」。因為，他的暴光率太高了，人人都好多時見到佢，沒有明星效應～呵～！
The problem is, many senior officials had been trained as “implementation officials” during the age of British colony.
Therefore they lack of “policy version”.
Even the Chief Executive Donald Tsang, if you look at his Policy Address, it is just a homework summary, showing nothing what will we be in the next 10 years.
The promotion of six industries is a BXXX SXXX, just to buy time.
I met with the big 4 testing and certification companies people and was told by them that they were not consulted in the process of formulating this “six industries plan”.
Where the Task Force came up the ideas of six industries? Jesus!
Therefore, their mindsets are very “implementational”, focusing on tiny things like bag levy, no idling, light bulbs things. These are the work of the Environmental Director (署長), not the Environmental Secretary (局長)!
作者: kunggi201 時間: 09-11-2 11:44
原帖由 凱富路 於 09-10-31 13:55 發表
IB家長們﹕
IB課程也許有它的優勢和理想﹐但在香港的成效有待驗證﹐不同學校辦IB就像各自做實驗。
不要聽到子女回家和外出講到幾句流利英語普通話就覺得IB很成功。其實你去EK那些直資私小的分享站﹐大部份家長都話小朋友喜歡 ...
出來工作多年，老實說，甚麼大學畢業，只對入職時有影響作用
到做事一兩年後，就要憑實力了
就算你是哈ｘ劍ｘ畢業，老板也只會看你能力
一張沙紙，幫得了幾多？
商業社會，能成功的，不外乎幾種特質：
1] 語言能力：看得快，做得快（所以，外國很重視early childhood 的reading training）
2] 轉數快：有人可以日理萬機，亦有人為一件小事優柔寡斷，分別何在？
3] 社交能力高，表達能力強
4] 能承擔責任
理得是黑貓或白貓、傳統或IB、本地薑還是海歸
總之，教得出有競爭力的學生，就是好學校
作者: yypapa 時間: 09-11-19 16:10
For parents who are interested in both schools, would that be nice to finish primary school at TSL then tranfer to CKY for secondary education ? It saves quite a bit of money and buys you 6-years time to make money to pay CKY's expensive tuition.
The funny thing is that when I looked at TSL's latest secondary school places allocation (avilable at TSL's web), ZERO TSL students went to CKY's secondary section. Any parents know why is it so ?
作者: waiwaibaba 時間: 09-11-19 16:58
原帖由 kunggi201 於 09-11-2 11:44 發表
出來工作多年，老實說，甚麼大學畢業，只對入職時有影響作用
到做事一兩年後，就要憑實力了
就算你是哈ｘ劍ｘ畢業，老板也只會看你能力
一張沙紙，幫得了幾多？
商業社會，能成功的，不外乎幾種特質：
1] 語言能力：看得快，做得快（所以，外國 ...
Agreed. In fact the current 6 major businesses in H.K. are perhaps more aptly as:
1. speculation on properties;
2. speculation on stocks;
3. speculation on commodities and futures;
4. speculation on foreign currencies;
5. gambling on horse racing; and
6. gambling on ball games
作者: WYmom 時間: 09-11-19 17:25
原帖由 yypapa 於 09-11-19 16:10 發表
For parents who are interested in both schools, would that be nice to finish primary school at TSL then tranfer to CKY for secondary education ? It saves quite a bit of money and buys you 6-years t ...
Just passing by, as I know, TSL is very different from CKY, TSL is an English primary using traditional teaching method, while CKY is a bilingual school using activity IB-like approach. TSL students will unlikely choose CKY secondary. A lot of TSL students go to traditional type of PLK or other govt secondary schools.
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