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作者: foreverbb 時間: 09-9-1 17:00 標題: 對ESF kinder的疑惑 ......
我囝囝剛入esf kinder K1,返左學幾日,發現大部分時間都係小朋友自己玩(玩下火車,玩下kitchen set),冇老師理會(或者可以講佢地唔會主動照顧每一個學生),circle time得45mins,其他時間都冇人理......比起以前間international kinder,佢地多好多活動,唔係只係玩玩具,起碼會做下勞作,好多explore activities,esf kinder的老師好似冇乜heart,行行企企,有D仲坐係度發呆,唔係好落心(希望係我睇錯!),人多到佢地根本控制唔到,亦唔想控制......
真係好擔心,係咪揀錯左學校俾囝囝?
我見BK的mami對esf kinder都有好的評價,唔知係唔係咁先學到野?(但每日玩火車都學到野?......真係好擔心......)
作者: little_bunny 時間: 09-9-1 17:21
Hi foreverbb,
Which esf are you studying??
原帖由 foreverbb 於 09-9-1 17:00 發表 
我囝囝剛入esf kinder K1,返左學幾日,發現大部分時間都係小朋友自己玩(玩下火車,玩下kitchen set),冇老師理會(或者可以講佢地唔會主動照顧每一個學生),circle time得45mins,其他時間都冇人理......比起以前間interna ...
作者: 牛津 時間: 09-9-1 17:29
唔好咁擔心, 可能d老師係觀察緊佢地, 始終老師同學生都係剛剛認識原帖由 foreverbb 於 09-9-1 17:00 發表
我囝囝剛入esf kinder K1,返左學幾日,發現大部分時間都係小朋友自己玩(玩下火車,玩下kitchen set),冇老師理會(或者可以講佢地唔會主動照顧每一個學生),circle time得45mins,其他時間都冇人理......比起以前間interna ...
作者: foreverbb 時間: 09-9-1 17:36
sw esf
希望只係剛剛開學先係咁啦,但我睇佢地的"typical K1 session in sw",大部分時間都係open play,小朋友點會咁叻主動搵老師,如果老師唔主動,小朋友真係會"hea"足一日!
作者: hellopigpig 時間: 09-9-1 17:38 標題: 回覆 2# 牛津 的文章
forever bb
Can I ask which ESF?And how many children to one teacher?
Thanks
作者: foreverbb 時間: 09-9-1 17:46
Sheung Wan
teacher/student ratio around 1:6-7
其實老師係足夠,不過佢地大部分都唔會主動,only望住小朋友,多都冇用(起碼冇乜老師理過我個囝!)
作者: hellopigpig 時間: 09-9-1 18:43
bb,
Actually,I think so,
I join one international kindergarten playground,not ESF,the teacher teach over 10 student,but only care 1 to 2 kids,
if this condition continue,I think you should change the school
原帖由 foreverbb 於 09-9-1 17:46 發表
Sheung Wan
teacher/student ratio around 1:6-7
其實老師係足夠,不過佢地大部分都唔會主動,only望住小朋友,多都冇用(起碼冇乜老師理過我個囝!)
作者: 蜜蜜 時間: 09-9-1 22:29
原帖由 hellopigpig 於 09-9-1 18:43 發表
bb,
Actually,I think so,
I join one international kindergarten playground,not ESF,the teacher teach over 10 student,but only care 1 to 2 kids,
if this condition continue,I think you should change th ...
my daughter attends SW ESF too, i do think the teachers were not taking care of one single child at all time, the teachers walked around, looking at this one then moved on to another, and most of the children played on their own, especially when the children were with their parents/helpers/grandparents. so i dropped her off and left from the 3rd day, and that i didn't see much, i don't want to worry about that as it's only the beginning of the school, as long as my daughter loves the school, i'm satisfied. moreover, when the time that i picked up my daughter, i asked them questions about what my daughter did, the EAs and teacher could at least tell me what she has done, so i think, they did watched what they were doing. besides, the most important is, from the first day, i told myself that i must not depend on the school to teach much to my daughter in kindergarten (in fact every kindergarten even the locals, except those like KV, start dictation in K2, but i don't want my girl to suffer in writing pages of homework at this early age!) therefore, now my target is to go to ESF primary which i believe will be good for her in future, then i'll let her stay. at least, the teachers are quite nice in front of me. may be situation will change later on, let's wait and see.
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作者: kohuei 時間: 09-9-1 22:45
Parents were invited to the ESF Kindergartens for a talk before signing the contract. I still remember very clearly what the principal shared during that talk - learn through play...I also remembered she said, if you don't believe in our philosophy, don't sign the contract. If you decide to sign the contract, you have to believe in us.
Anyway, I suggest you go to their curriculum overview page and have a read. http://www.esf.org.hk/esf_kindergarten/curriculum/overview.asp
作者: oooray 時間: 09-9-1 23:06
原帖由 kohuei 於 09-9-1 22:45 發表
Parents were invited to the ESF Kindergartens for a talk before signing the contract. I still remember very clearly what the principal shared during that talk - learn through play...I also remembered ...
Exactly!
Parents should ask themselves before making any complaints : why did u sign the contract?
Just for doing artwork; learning vocabulary or find someone one on one taking care your children (same as your domestic helper?)?
I'm so happy that my child can explore and learn in such environment, totally different from those famous kindergarten : duck-feeding or so-called well-packaged by "active learning" but the content remains traditional and everything is inside a rigid frame...
作者: 蜜蜜 時間: 09-9-2 00:16
原帖由 foreverbb 於 09-9-1 17:46 發表
Sheung Wan
teacher/student ratio around 1:6-7
其實老師係足夠,不過佢地大部分都唔會主動,only望住小朋友,多都冇用(起碼冇乜老師理過我個囝!)
foreverbb, did u try the parent login? go to look through it, i think u will feel better afterwards.
作者: foreverbb 時間: 09-9-2 09:36
我唔係想complaint,我都相信learn through play,不過在玩的途中,老師係咪應該從旁協助,而唔係坐係度"望"?如果老師只係望住小朋友,咁真係同請個工人差不多,我的意思係小朋友應要有很多空間,但不代表老師可以坐視不理,老師有老師應有的角色,例如開始open play之前可以介紹下有咩活動可以玩,讓小朋友可以自由選擇,呢個係有冇"heart"的問題,正如我之前所講,有D international school都可以做到,點解esf唔可以?
Sorry!我真係擔心先問下大家意見,唔係想針對esf,我都想囝囝讀完出黎的結果係正面,有咩得罪請見諒!
作者: Cara2006 時間: 09-9-2 10:14
原帖由 foreverbb 於 09-9-2 09:36 發表
我唔係想complaint,我都相信learn through play,不過在玩的途中,老師係咪應該從旁協助,而唔係坐係度"望"?如果老師只係望住小朋友,咁真係同請個工人差不多,我的意思係小朋友應要有很多空間,但不代表老師可以坐視不理, ...
You have come to the wrong place.
Here, no negative comments about ESF is allowed. Whenever there is complaints, the problem must be you.
I think there are 2 things that we all know:
(1) ESF kindergartens are well known to be poorer than other english speaking kindergartens. The teachers are not doing most other kindergartens are doing. If the actual quality is what you want, you should choose other kindergartens.
(2) However, ESF kindergartens do have priorities for interviews at ESF primary schools. So many parents ultimate targets are the primary schools because that priority means a lot to them. If you want the priority, you may want to stick to ESF kindergarten.
But you cannot get both worlds.
The problem with the quality of ESF kindergarten has been raised here many times. This is known to most parents. So no more new discussions here anymore. If you want, you many have to seek older topics. Those may have been very old topics so they have sank to the bottom.
Regarding the problems with ESF (teachers, admin, etc), ESF knows it, parents know it. But once they still get the priority with the primary schools, they have no problems with the sourse of students. If it was not because of the priority they have with ESF primary, I doubt anyone would choose ESF kindergartens at all.
One more thing to bear in mind. Many genuinely english speaking families do not choose ESF kindergartens. Most ESF kids are local chinese. No matter what they claim, the kids do speak a lot in canontese at school. My neice actually have learnt perfect cantonese after staying with ESF TY for one year. Some of the words she learned were really rude (eg 死人頭, 癡線). So you can imagine the quality of the kids. She has always been total english speaking kid and knows no cantonese or mandarin, not even simple sentenses. So parents might want to bear in mind that the english environment is not as strong as you think.
作者: matthewdad 時間: 09-9-2 11:06
This is a new concept and I found the result is very interesting. My son has just finished K1 in a school with teaching style similar to ESF (not ESF kinder).He only has few minutes of singing, show and tell and not much instruction from teacher. He spent most of his time playing in different classrooms (all K1, K2 kids are mix together). I took him to do Cambridge pre-starter test and he nearly got full score and eligible to attend Starter course (for P1, P2 kids) although he is about to be 4 years old by the end of this year.
原帖由 Cara2006 於 09-9-2 10:14 發表
You have come to the wrong place.
Here, no negative comments about ESF is allowed. Whenever there is complaints, the problem must be you.
I think there are 2 things that we all know:
(1) ESF kind ...
作者: oooray 時間: 09-9-2 12:53
原帖由 Cara2006 於 09-9-2 10:14 發表
You have come to the wrong place.
Here, no negative comments about ESF is allowed. Whenever there is complaints, the problem must be you.
I think there are 2 things that we all know:
(1) ESF kind ...
Cara2006,
Thanks for your impressive comments.
A few points to clarify:
0. I, as an ESF parent, don't think negative comments on ESF is bad as long as they are reasonable;
1. foreverbb has not in the wrong place. I had a few chat with foreverbb before and i had told her the same as your point 2;
2. your point 1 : Does ESF kinder is poorer? Personally, I don't know at the moment. I may tell u 2 years later (after my little son has completed his kindergarten stage so that i could make a fair judgement between ESF kinder and a non-ESF kinder). Of course, you can conclude that if u have enough experiences about that;
3. For the rest of your points, I generally agree with you.
4. I would like to re-emphasize, most probably ESF kinder are not the best (or actually one of worst in your mind) kinder in Hong Kong.
The fact is that Priority for ESF Pirmary is really an important factor for Cat. 2 parents targeting ESF primary, especially they are expanding their kindergarten in terms of no. of campus and size in 2009 to 2010. (ESF primary may be not so attractive to many parents, but that is another topic for discussions).
作者: almom 時間: 09-9-2 13:00
It has only been a couple of weeks since school started. What possibly could the school have done with the children? Teach them trigonometry? Teach them how to do a somersault?
Relax! I assure you that almost ALL KINDERGARTENS would probably be just trying to run in during the first month for K1.
Of course teachers would not be able to attend to all kids at the same time. A kindergarten is not a one-on-one care provider. Parents need to be more hands-off.
Yes, leave your kid in the hands of the school. Go home, go to work, and relax. Your child is likely to get hurt, get ignored, get pinched, etc. That is normal kindergarten life. We are not talking about an one-on-one 100% attention personal nanny service. It is a school and no matter how small the class size is, and how huge the teacher to student proportion is, your child would never get full attention all the time.
Your child is a human being. She/He is small but she/he is less fragile and much smarter than you can imagine. And she/he does not need a one-on-one carer.
作者: thankful 時間: 09-9-2 13:08
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作者: oooray 時間: 09-9-2 13:19
原帖由 foreverbb 於 09-9-2 09:36 發表
我唔係想complaint,我都相信learn through play,不過在玩的途中,老師係咪應該從旁協助,而唔係坐係度"望"?如果老師只係望住小朋友,咁真係同請個工人差不多,我的意思係小朋友應要有很多空間,但不代表老師可以坐視不理, ...
I was not complaining your "comments".
As you told me before, ESF primary is (was?) your target. That's why i suggest you go for ESF kinder.
(So am I).
Life is always give and take.
Now you will have a higher priority for interview...
U can supplement those you are not satisfied in ESF kinder after your class.
But u cannot supplement a priority for ESF interview even if your child is studying in a perfect and ideal non-ESF kindergarten.
作者: 蜜蜜 時間: 09-9-2 13:44
原帖由 thankful 於 09-9-2 13:08 發表
foreverbb,
Don't worry too much about it. It has always been the way. My 2 nephews went through the same thing in ESF and they managed to get into good universities eventually. If you don't like ...
echo to thankful, "One's individual academic results also depend a lot on his own abilities as well as the time and effort he puts in." ... plus the time & effort you - the parents put in! my daughter has not been to nursery before entering ESF K1, she is now able to read English textbooks of my Primary 3 cousin and at least 150 Chinese words, i can tell, this is not because she is "gifted" (which most of my friends think she is), but because in the past 3 years, i spent all of my time being with her, reading stories and playing word games with her after work everyday. this is because i always remind myself not to depend on the kindergarten to teach in academic but to depend on myself to teach my daughter as much as i can. kindergarten is a place that my girl can make friends with, learning to be independence and a place to explore & experience in different matters, which i can never teach her at home. children learn things every minute while playing, that's why we need toys for them!!
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作者: oooray 時間: 09-9-2 14:06
原帖由 蜜蜜 於 09-9-2 13:44 發表
echo to thankful, "One's individual academic results also depend a lot on his own abilities as well as the time and effort he puts in." ... plus the time & effort you - the parents put in! my daught ...
Yes. I was paying much of my attention how my son interact with other children and whether he can make friends there (rather than how can he learn. In fact, i noticed quite a no. of parents asking teachers in the first day about "what" we their children learn...)
作者: 蜜蜜 時間: 09-9-2 17:15
原帖由 oooray 於 09-9-2 14:06 發表
Yes. I was paying much of my attention how my son interact with other children and whether he can make friends there (rather than how can he learn. In fact, i noticed quite a no. of parents asking te ...
exactly, after school every day, i asked my daughter did she go wee-wee herself, did she play with any children, did she make any new friends and what songs she sang in school.
besides, today when i picked up my girl, one of the EAs already mentioned something about my girl's character that i think is totally correct, i'm so impressed that she could see that in just few days in school. that's why i think each of the teachers and EAs has done their work during school hours as long as u leave her there.
作者: oooray 時間: 09-9-2 19:50
原帖由 蜜蜜 於 09-9-2 17:15 發表
exactly, after school every day, i asked my daughter did she go wee-wee herself, did she play with any children, did she make any new friends and what songs she sang in school.
besides, today when ...
yes. this morning when i arrived the school (the 2nd school day) i saw the EA observing children and writing notes busily.
So parents should be patient that most teachers and EA are working hard...
作者: kohuei 時間: 09-9-2 20:14
我是ESF幼稚園學生的家長，但我不會好像瘋狂fans一樣擁護學校，在我眼中學校也有不足的地方，不是像Cara2006說的那樣盲目的維護學校。例如說，我覺得空間不足，尤其在studio time時小朋友可能會覺得太擠，很多碰撞。還有一點就是我對學校的普通話教學並不欣賞，我聽到的是普通話老師使用不算正統的英文講普通話故事，這點我便很不敢苟同。
我先前回應的只是關於英基幼稚園的教育理念，本人非常贊同，我的小朋友現在是K2的學生，過去一年在玩之間已經不知不覺學會很多，說英語方面大有進步，簡單的英文書可以看得懂，懂得適時發問，這些都是自發性學習的基礎，是一生人都可以用得到的好技巧。所以，我才提醒之前那位家長幼稚園的教育理念，完全沒有任何負面的意見，若有得罪也請見諒。
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作者: little_bunny 時間: 09-9-2 22:51
kohuei,
多謝你的回應.
如你所說:
過去一年在玩之間已經不知不覺學會很多，說英語方面大有進步，簡單的英文書可以看得懂，懂得適時發問.
想問吓你的孩子於校外多採用甚麽言語??
因大多孩子家庭大多採用英語溝通,所以才事倍功半.
如不,相信學校的功勞也很大.
原帖由 kohuei 於 09-9-2 20:14 發表
我是ESF幼稚園學生的家長，但我不會好像瘋狂fans一樣擁護學校，在我眼中學校也有不足的地方，不是像Cara2006說的那樣盲目的維護學校。例如說，我覺得空間不足，尤其在studio time時小朋友可能會覺得太擠，很多碰撞。還有一點就是 ...
作者: kohuei 時間: 09-9-3 08:00
因為他比較遲開口說話，從小朋友兩歲開始家裡就轉為只說英語一種語言，他的K1老師認為他在語言方面可以應付到K2 interivew，不需要太過擔心。只是在soical skill方面必須學習能好好的分享，這點是很多家中只有一個小孩需要關注的。我的小朋友是會「誓死保護」自己手中玩具的那種，如何教會他可以與其他小朋友分享，對我來說是一件很難的事，非常頭痛啊！
作者: foreverbb 時間: 09-9-3 08:47
謝謝你們的分享,令我的憂慮減少了很多,確實,我囝囝好喜歡返esf,而且習慣在學校說英語,可能我太心急了!
另外,我洗唔洗俾囝囝係出面學phonics?我本以為讀international school唔洗學都識,但我知學phonics對認英文生字好有用,起碼可以睇下英文書.
作者: 蜜蜜 時間: 09-9-3 10:42
原帖由 foreverbb 於 09-9-3 08:47 發表
謝謝你們的分享,令我的憂慮減少了很多,確實,我囝囝好喜歡返esf,而且習慣在學校說英語,可能我太心急了!
另外,我洗唔洗俾囝囝係出面學phonics?我本以為讀international school唔洗學都識,但我知學phonics對認英文生字 ...
foreverbb,
我認為phonics沒需要在外面學, 買教材回家跟他一起聽歌/chanting, 看dvd和 看書就可以. 市面上可買到我認為不錯的有gc phonics, jolly phonics, letterland, phonics kids, wordworld, leapfrog 等, 我都有比女女聽或睇. 事實上, 小朋友睇得多讀得多英文生字, 佢哋真係會好易咁自己掌握到phonics. 另外, 同小朋友讀故事的時候, 指住來讀對認字會有幫助. 直至小朋友開始認得更多的字及能開始自己閱讀就慢慢地不再指字. 這是我自己的一點經驗, 不知能否對你也管用, 你可試試.
作者: 蜜蜜 時間: 09-9-3 11:08
原帖由 foreverbb 於 09-9-3 08:47 發表
謝謝你們的分享,令我的憂慮減少了很多,確實,我囝囝好喜歡返esf,而且習慣在學校說英語,可能我太心急了!
另外,我洗唔洗俾囝囝係出面學phonics?我本以為讀international school唔洗學都識,但我知學phonics對認英文生字 ...
另外, 在學會流利廣東話這方面, 應該not apply to ESF SW, 因為我在等女女放學的時候也沒看到過一個講廣東話的學生. 他們(看來是中國人的一些)在下樓上校車時交談也用英語的. 而且這邊香港, 外國及mix的學生比例也很不錯.
作者: minima726 時間: 09-9-3 21:53
Dear All,
May I know which Campus your kids atten?
anything share with WKS campus? are the teachers over there good? and what about the student ratio?
thx
作者: kohuei 時間: 09-9-3 22:30
My boy is at ESF TY Kindergarten, and one of his teachers is now at WKS, she is a very loving young lady and my boy adores her.
作者: myjasmine 時間: 09-9-3 23:00
Hi Kohuei,
My girl is now in Wu Kai Sha and her class teacher also comes from TY. Can you tell me the teacher's name to see if my girl is lucky enough to meet your son's former teacher?
作者: chanyeehang 時間: 09-9-8 23:26
今日都幾唔開心，原因我個仔剛剛start k1 at ESF才不夠2星期(還是隔日返)，個班主任成日同我投訴阿仔冇耐性同埋大叫及同佢好少EYE CONTACT，實在阿仔現時只得2.10個月，係表達上未算成熟。但經已叫我要見principle。攪到我都唔知道係咪阿仔有問題，但阿仔明顯好喜歡ESF既環境，令到我好頭痛，本身阿仔係較為敏感及反叛，佢見你越話佢，佢就表現得特別跩。
而工人帶佢返學，我工人都好唔開心同我講話過班主任對阿仔有偏見，認為佢冇愛心同冇耐性，反之另外2位EA就不時UPDATE我地阿仔既一些特質。 下星期要見PRINCIPLE我都唔知點好。
原帖由 kohuei 於 09-9-3 08:00 發表
因為他比較遲開口說話，從小朋友兩歲開始家裡就轉為只說英語一種語言，他的K1老師認為他在語言方面可以應付到K2 interivew，不需要太過擔心。只是在soical skill方面必須學習能好好的分享，這點是很多家中只有一個小孩需要關 ...
作者: kohuei 時間: 09-9-9 08:13
先別煩，去聽聽看他們有什麼看法，只要是對小朋友好的意見都值得聽，年尾的小孩是真的沒法像年頭的孩子一樣成熟，希望這次談話可以幫到你的小朋友，如果真的有問題可以提早發現那不是也是一件好事情嗎？加油啊！
原帖由 chanyeehang 於 09-9-8 23:26 發表
今日都幾唔開心，原因我個仔剛剛start k1 at ESF才不夠2星期(還是隔日返)，個班主任成日同我投訴阿仔冇耐性同埋大叫及同佢好少EYE CONTACT，實在阿仔現時只得2.10個月，係表達上未算成熟。但經已叫我要見principle。攪到我都 ...
作者: oooray 時間: 09-9-9 09:44
原帖由 kohuei 於 09-9-9 08:13 發表
先別煩，去聽聽看他們有什麼看法，只要是對小朋友好的意見都值得聽，年尾的小孩是真的沒法像年頭的孩子一樣成熟，希望這次談話可以幫到你的小朋友，如果真的有問題可以提早發現那不是也是一件好事情嗎？加油啊！
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Agree with kohuei. Unlike some local school whereas meeting with teachers/principal most probably should be a negative issue, it is a good chance for you to communicate with the school. Every children has their own problem and it is a very good chance to let you know what's going on and it is also good to let the school know more about you/your children. Problems will be solved easily.
I will be more than happy if I am "invited" for such meeting...
作者: chanyeehang 時間: 09-9-9 18:45
Thanks for the encouragement!! I think this is because this is first time experience such as at my son, therefore not be panic!!
原帖由 oooray 於 09-9-9 09:44 發表
Agree with kohuei. Unlike some local school whereas meeting with teachers/principal most probably should be a negative issue, it is a good chance for you to communicate with the school. Every childre ...
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