教育王國
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作者: mattsmum 時間: 09-8-6 13:22 標題: Harrow International
new IS is coming to HK, is it the same harrow as UK's?
四國際學校機構獲分配土地
(明報)2009年8月6日 星期四 11:15
教育局公布四幅供國際學校發展的全新土地分配結果，指新建的學校將提供3500個中小學學額。
教育局局長[url=]孫明揚
[/url]表示，四幅位於九龍及新界的全新土地，已順利分配予4個辦學團體興建國際學校，合共提供約3500個中小學學額，以滿足對國際學校學額的需求。
是次土地分配工作共接獲14份申請，詳細分配結果如下：
（１）Kellett School Association Limited，獲分配土地位於九龍灣啟祥道及宏光道交界；
（２）香港九龍塘基督教中華宣道會，獲分配土地位於荔枝角瓊林街前荔枝角寮屋區；
（３）The Hong Kong Academy Educational Foundation Limited，獲分配土地位於[url=]西貢
[/url]墟第4區惠民路及美聯街交界；
（４）哈羅國際學校（香港）有限公司，獲分配土地位於[url=]屯門
[/url]青山公路掃管笏第48區前軍營。
首三幅土地（即九龍灣、荔枝角及西貢墟的土地），每幅將分配作為發展一所包括中小學部的國際學校，以擴展或重置有關辦學團體現有的國際學校。
至於屯門的一幅土地，則分配作為發展一所設有小學及中學部的全新國際寄宿學校，寄宿設施將提供予中學部學生使用。
有關學校將由2012/13學年起，逐步提供新增學位，最終達致合共約3500個學額（包括約1300個小學及約2200個中學學額）。（即時新聞）
作者: thankful 時間: 09-8-6 20:54
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作者: meredo 時間: 09-8-7 01:43
How about the Harrow IS, it is good?
Even at BK and BJ?
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作者: WYmom 時間: 09-8-7 08:20
Seems that Harrow IS is a good alternative for those who target at UK boarding schools.
From Sing Tao News today:
專供興建寄宿學校的土地，毗連珠海學院屯門新校舍，將交由一五七二年於英國建校的哈羅國際學校建校；該校是英國傳統寄宿男校，曾培養兩名英國國王、約旦國王侯賽因，以及包括邱吉爾在內的七名英國首相、印度首任總理尼赫魯等名人。
首次來港辦學的哈羅國際學校，已於曼谷和北京設有校舍，分別有一千三百名和五百名男女學生，並採用英國國家課程，讓學生參與英國會考和高考，而香港校舍將取錄至少一千二百名男女學生，同時提供二百九十個宿位供中學生入住，預計於二○一二年八月開學，哈羅香港董事張震遠表示，「目標是使哈羅香港成為亞洲最好的中小學」。學費方面，該校下學年北京分校的學費，由十四萬一千至近十八萬元人民幣不等。
作者: Fattymom 時間: 09-8-7 13:45
[quote]原帖由 WYmom 於 09-8-7 08:20 發表 
Seems that Harrow IS is a good alternative for those who target at UK boarding schools.
Totally agree! It is said that the school fee in England is about HK$38,000/month. $18,000/month in Beijing. The fee is far above the IS in HK. I think it's a good choice for those planning to send their kids aboard before the teritary educaation. I would prefer to spend the money on other activities. BTW, I also heard that there are 20% of the graduates going to Oxford/Harvest! Is it a tempatation to you?
作者: almom 時間: 09-8-7 15:01
SCMP Aug 7 2009
Is Harrow School for HK aimed at Delta?
Britain's Harrow School, which counts Winston Churchill among its long line of famous alumni, has been chosen to open an international school in Hong Kong.
Harrow International School will operate primary and secondary sections on a 3.7-hectare site at So Kwun Wat, Tuen Mun, in the New Territories, with an initial intake of about 1,200 pupils. Its secondary section would offer space for 290 boarders, according to the school's plan.
A Harrow International (HK) spokeswoman said: "Hong Kong has many international schools and the city has strong ties with Britain. We believe a British curriculum will have a good market here."
The government is pushing to turn the city into a regional education hub, and Secretary for Education Michael Suen Ming-yeung said: "I believe it is a step forward for Hong Kong in developing a vibrant international school community attracting students from different parts of the increasingly connected world."
British Chamber of Commerce executive director Christopher Hammerbeck said the move had the potential to expand local international school education into the Pearl River Delta.
Gerald Postiglione, professor of education at the University of Hong Kong, said the Harrow school would help bring in education revenue from the growing ranks of wealthy parents in the Pearl River Delta region. "It's a big market out there on the mainland and even in Southeast Asia," he said.
However, the Harrow spokeswoman said it was too early to say if it would try to tap students from Guangdong because it was not allowed to do so under present government policy.
An Education Bureau spokeswoman said international schools mainly served the children of expatriates in Hong Kong, but could recruit overseas students, although not from the mainland, Taiwan or Macau.
Harrow International already operates schools in Bangkok and Beijing.
Education is one of the six so-called knowledge-based industries Hong Kong should aim to develop, according to a task force chaired by Chief Executive Donald Tsang Yam-kuen tasked with identifying new development directions for Hong Kong.
The Bauhinia Foundation Research Centre - a think tank widely believed to be close to Mr Tsang - earlier released a report proposing Hong Kong develop as an education centre and attract students from the Pearl River Delta region.
Harrow School is one of four operators chosen to run new international schools in Hong Kong. The other three are existing operators. They are the Kellett School Association, the Trustees of the Kowloon Tong Church of the Chinese Christian and Missionary Alliance, and the Hong Kong Academy. Their sites are in Kowloon Bay, Lai Chi Kok and Sai Kung respectively.
The school operators have been granted the sites for nominal rents and must run as non-profit organisations.
作者: eclooper 時間: 09-8-7 16:41
今日聽收音機, 話學費要37萬一年.
"the Trustees of the Kowloon Tong Church of the Chinese Christian and Missionary Alliance" = 係唔係「宣道國際學校」呀?
作者: eclooper 時間: 09-8-7 16:42
今日聽收音機, 話學費要37萬一年.
"the Trustees of the Kowloon Tong Church of the Chinese Christian and Missionary Alliance" = 係唔係「宣道國際學校」呀?
作者: matthewdad 時間: 09-8-7 20:40
The school name is CAIS.
原帖由 eclooper 於 09-8-7 16:42 發表
今日聽收音機, 話學費要37萬一年.
"the Trustees of the Kowloon Tong Church of the Chinese Christian and Missionary Alliance" = 係唔係「宣道國際學校」呀?
作者: Yau_Cheung 時間: 09-8-8 21:50
英名校屯門建寄宿分校 貴族哈羅學校 英男寄宿校排第11
(明報)2009年8月7日 星期五 05:05
【明報專訊】教育局昨公布批出4幅土地開辦國際學校，其中佔地3.34公頃的[url=]屯門
[/url]青山公路掃管笏「地王」，將交予[url=]英國
[/url]著名貴族學校哈羅學校開辦本港首間寄宿國際學校，預料在2012年可提供1200個中、小學位。雖然該校仍未公布學費，但[url=]北京
[/url]的哈羅國際學校，每年學費（不包括留宿）高達18萬元人民幣。
4國際學校獲批地
教育局共收到14個就4幅位於九龍灣、荔枝角、[url=]西貢
[/url]墟及屯門的土地申請，昨公布4個中標辦學團體（見表），可提供約3500個學額，包括約1300個小學及約2200個中學學額，但根據校方數字，總學額料將逾4000個。位於屯門掃管笏面積達3.34公頃的「地王」則批予哈羅香港國際學校（哈羅香港）發展全新寄宿學校。
2012年開學 「可學中英文」招徠
哈羅香港發言人表示，校舍將於2012年8月開學，可容納至少1200名男、女學生，並會有290個宿位。發言人指出，哈羅[url=]曼谷
[/url]國際學校有不少海外亞裔學生特地來就讀，該校見需求日增，哈羅北京又因內地規定，不可設立宿舍，決定在鄰近內地的香港辦寄宿學校，以「可學中文及英文」作招徠，吸引外地生來港寄宿就讀。
位於英國[url=]倫敦
[/url]的哈羅學校每年學費逾37萬港元，雖然發言人表示暫仍未決定在港學費水平，但根據哈羅北京的收費，第13級的學費達每年18萬元人民幣，粗略估計，若要完成中小學第1至第13級的課程，13年學費會超過200萬人民幣（230萬港元）。其他雜費亦頗昂貴，例如每年校巴費高達1.1萬人民幣，校服、運動服等要4000元人民幣。
北京分校年學費18萬 雜費不菲
哈羅北京的職員陳小姐表示，該校有一半外籍學生，其餘一半為亞裔學生，來自香港、[url=]台灣
[/url]、[url=]韓國
[/url]等地，當中不少人是幹部、國企負責人的子女，內地著名導演[url=]陳凱歌
[/url]的兒子亦是該校學生。
根據英國教育協會網頁資料，哈羅在英國最佳男生寄宿學校中排第11。
海外[url=]升學
[/url]顧問夏里巴指出，哈羅於英國是著名貴族學校，「有錢也未必入到」，他相信，本港的學費不會比英國便宜很多，但以其名氣仍然可「爆棚」，「英國哈羅有兩成學生進入[url=]牛津
[/url]、[url=]劍橋
[/url]，比例較高，對學生有吸引力」。
教育局指出，就位於屯門的土地，委員會特別考慮未來辦學團體營運學生寄宿設施的經驗和能力，以及吸引海外學生到香港就學的策略，以此確立香港為亞洲國際城市和區內教育樞紐，認為現中標者至為合適。
作者: Yau_Cheung 時間: 09-8-8 21:51
400年老校曾出7首相
(明報)2009年8月7日 星期五 05:05
【明報專訊】[url=]英國
[/url]哈羅學校（Harrow School）於1572年成立，有逾400年歷史，在英國是一所只收男生的貴族寄宿學校，英國7名首相均為該校畢業生，包括邱吉爾（Winston Churchill）、鮑德溫（Stanley Baldwin），[url=]印度
[/url]第一個首相尼赫魯及[url=]約旦
[/url]國王侯賽因亦畢業於此，藝人代表則有歌手James Blunt。另外，薄熙來之子薄瓜瓜也是英國哈羅畢業生，是該校首名內地生。
兩成畢業生升讀[url=]牛津
[/url][url=]劍橋
[/url]
英國哈羅學校位處山丘，佔地300英畝並附設宿舍，校園內有農場、教堂和可容納800人的音樂演奏廳，該校有20%畢業生可升讀英國牛津和劍橋大學。該校一年學費達英鎊28,545元（約37.3萬港元）。
[url=]曼谷
[/url][url=]北京
[/url]設男女校 採英式課程
該校於[url=]倫敦
[/url]另開設The John Lyon School，並於曼谷及北京開設哈羅國際學校。哈羅曼谷是全日制男女寄宿學校，共有1300多名學生，哈羅北京則是有500多名學生的全日制男女校，但沒寄宿服務。兩家校舍均採用英國國家課程，學生參加IGCSEs和A-level考試，香港分校是該校在亞洲開設的第三間國際學校。
作者: eaymom 時間: 09-8-11 17:21
Does anyone know if the Beijing and Bangkok school is as good as the Harrow school in England? Any college placement or examination results are available for those two schools? Do they also send 20% of their graduates to Oxford/Cambridge like their parent school in England?
Unless the new Harrow International School in HK can repeat the same track record as Harrow school in England, otherwise, it would be very hard to justify for the hefty school fees. After all, HK$ 370K a year is not for everyone.
作者: thankful 時間: 09-8-11 23:43
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作者: eaymom 時間: 09-8-12 13:13
thankful,
Thank you. Based solely on just statistics, the results from Harrow international school in Bangkok is comparable to that of ESF schools in Hong Kong. I compared it against three of ESF schools' result and they are very comparable to that of Harrow IS, if not better. Here are the results I used for comparison:
https://clc.esf.edu.hk/GroupDownloadFile.asp?GroupId=2299&ResourceID=180035
http://www.sis.edu.hk/index.aspx?nodeid=1152&langNo=1
http://clc.esf.edu.hk/GroupRenderCustomPage.asp?GroupID=1888&ResourceId=19355
It would be great if the results from Harrow school in England is available.
作者: MaiGao 時間: 09-8-12 13:36
Quite interested with Harrow IS. It is just a street far from my home.
But my son should enter year 1 in 2011, seems there is a time gap.
作者: mow-mow 時間: 09-8-12 17:36
Harrow international school Bangkok still has a long way to go comparing with the original in England.
This is taken from the report (in 2006) on Harrow School UK, by the Independent School Inspectorate:
"At A level, the results are well above the national average for all schools and also well above the average for selective maintained schools.
In recent years, the trend in results has been upwards, beyond the national increase.
In 2006 the school’s A-level results were the highest ever, with over two-thirds gaining grade A and almost all gaining grades A or B.
Twenty-one students took Advanced Extension Award papers with merit or distinction.
In the past three years, sixth-form students have received a high number of offers for courses at Oxford or Cambridge, including 25 in 2005."
原帖由 eaymom 於 09-8-12 13:13 發表
thankful,
Thank you. Based solely on just statistics, the results from Harrow international school in Bangkok is comparable to that of ESF schools in Hong Kong. I compared it against three of ESF s ...
[ 本帖最後由 mow-mow 於 09-8-13 11:27 編輯 ]
作者: eaymom 時間: 09-8-12 19:35
would it be the same case for the school in HK, that it will take a long time to catch up to the standard of the original school in England?
If its results after years can only be comparable to ESF schools then it would be hard to justify the expensive school fees.
Having said that, Harrow school traditions, culture, relationship with the top universities in the world will definitely be unrivaled.
作者: mow-mow 時間: 09-8-13 11:48
I think it would be far too over-optimistic to expect a school to achieve instant success to the kind of standard Harrow School has garnered over decades!
With a new school, on top of good facilities, good staff, & good curriculum, you'll still need good pupils & good parents in order to cultivate a unique atmosphere that defines the school.
This will not happen overnight.
Even if you transplant the entire staff from the original Harrow School to Hong Kong, there can still be no guarantee of instant success as the pupils & parents are different and so the chemistry will be different.
I'm sorry to say that it would be terribly naive to think that studying in one of the Harrow international schools would be equivalent to studying in Harrow School itself!
In time it may happen but there is no telling when or if at all.
原帖由 eaymom 於 09-8-12 19:35 發表
would it be the same case for the school in HK, that it will take a long time to catch up to the standard of the original school in England?
If its results after years can only be comparable to ESF s ...
[ 本帖最後由 mow-mow 於 09-8-13 12:14 編輯 ]
作者: eaymom 時間: 09-8-13 20:09 標題: 回覆 18# mow-mow 的文章
I don't think anyone is assuming or can assume that. But that is the perception that is being painted.
The argument would be parents need to have faith in the system and trust that over time it will evolve to be the best school, and therefore justify for the lofty fees the school will be charging on day 1.
I personally feel that if I am paying so much it ought to have track records. I am just surprised at the results of the bangkok school. Not that it's not good but if it's only comparable to ESF school in Hong Kong (which is a non-selective school) then it's a bit disappointing especially when they are selling the "Harrow school" name. And it only says that Hong Kong IS education is really top of the class.
作者: mattsmum 時間: 09-8-23 02:04 標題: 回覆 19# mattsmum 的文章
Applications from Hong Kong
Two Masters from Harrow visit Hong Kong every October and can answer questions about the School; please arrange an appointment through our agent Academic Asia.
We take an average of five boys a year from Hong Kong at age 13 and an additional five at age 16. Out of 800 boys currently at Harrow, 35 live in Hong Kong; ten of these are English and 25 are Chinese. Half of the Hong Kong entry came to us from our agent, Academic Asia, whom we use less for recruitment than the preliminary assessment of applicants. In recent years half of our Sixth Form entry from Hong Kong have been awarded Music Scholarships to Harrow and several of the others have been awarded Academic Scholarships.
20% of our Hong Kong pupils come to Harrow from UK prep schools, 80% direct to us from Hong Kong schools.
We receive about 80 applicants a year from Hong Kong. The successful applicants are usually academically strong and are either good at music or have an interest in sport.
作者: mattsmum 時間: 09-8-23 16:22 標題: 回覆 7# eaymom 的文章
ESF's A/A* perceantage is arround 53%,
surprise to see that UK's league table shows 98% to 75% for similiar grade for the top 300 independant schools
作者: wisekid2007 時間: 09-8-29 12:24
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作者: eaymom 時間: 09-8-30 06:37
It is not surprising. Here is the A-Level and GCSE results from Wycombe Abbey, one of the top independent school in the UK.
A-Level
http://www.wycombeabbey.com/results/A_level_Results_102.php
GCSE
http://www.wycombeabbey.com/results/GCSE_Results_103.php
原帖由 mattsmum 於 09-8-23 16:22 發表
ESF's A/A* perceantage is arround 53%,
surprise to see that UK's league table shows 98% to 75% for similiar grade for the top 300 independant schools
作者: mattsmum 時間: 09-8-30 12:08 標題: 回覆 1# eaymom 的文章
GSIS's gce result is perhaps close to the top 10 of the list.
作者: patriciatu 時間: 09-8-30 12:52
原帖由 mattsmum 於 09-8-30 12:08 發表
GSIS's gce result is perhaps close to the top 10 of the list.
How did you derive that?
作者: mattsmum 時間: 09-8-30 23:42 標題: 回覆 1# patriciatu 的文章
check here for the % of a and a* for both public and private school in UK:http://www.timesonline.co.uk/parentpower/league_tables.php
作者: Reximom 時間: 09-8-31 10:09
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作者: Cara2006 時間: 09-8-31 11:37
原帖由 Reximom 於 09-8-31 10:09 發表
咁睇呢ESF既公開試平均成績都好水皮, 尤其是係人都知GCSE既試題俾HKCEE淺好多. 以咁既成績, 唔知道行英國學制既ESF係英國既話算係二流, 三流定幾多既學校呢?
不過ESF家長實話佢地D學生唔係”exam machine”嗎!
: ...
真係覺得你好勇
BK 係 ESF 地頭
你實比班 ESF fans 圍
作者: thankful 時間: 09-8-31 12:04
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作者: Reximom 時間: 09-8-31 12:18
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作者: Cara2006 時間: 09-8-31 12:38
原帖由 thankful 於 09-8-31 12:04 發表
Reximom好勇?
真係勇佢就夠講自已小朋友就讀學校出, 大家比較. 佢講到ESF水準咁低, 大家都想知佢小朋友就讀學校有幾好. 講出, 等大家可以學野.
你都係一樣. 問極都唔肯講, 唔係唔見得人吧?
這樣做 ...
吾明你地係咩 logic.
即係要踢波叻, 先可以批評 soccer player ?
好, 就當我小朋友真係讀 band 3 學校, 又點 ?
同 ESF 水平有乜關係 ?
作者: mattsmum 時間: 09-8-31 13:26 標題: 回覆 5# Reximom 的文章
any school that did not screen students by their academic performance, much cheaper than any private school in uk, yet still have good univerisity enrollment . don't take the figures quoted as a criticism for ESF. if 2 A can lead to university entrance, why bother to make sacrifice for 12 years in order to get 4A?
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作者: Cara2006 時間: 09-8-31 13:52
原帖由 mattsmum 於 09-8-31 13:26 發表
any school that did not screen students by their academic performance, much cheaper than any private school in uk, yet still have over 70% univerisity enrollment is good.
So if money is an issue, I would say that ESF is still poor.
You pay that much for 12 years (when compared a lot others free local elite schools like Maryknoll and LS) and yet university enrollment is only 70%?
I do not get it.
Where do the 30% go?
We are talking about 30 students if there are a total of 100 graduating students per year.
That is a lot.
OMG, these do not get any offers from any universities? I am not even talking about Harvard, Cambridge or HKU. I am just talking ANY university.
Do not forget that with the financial background of the families, I am sure they can afford anything, from CC to universities.
Yet, still nothing for 30%?
Wow, that is totally horrible.
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作者: Cara2006 時間: 09-8-31 16:18
原帖由 thankful 於 09-8-31 14:21 發表
Of course, you are free to critize soccer players even though you don't know how to play soccer. It's just that what you say don't carry any weight. It's just like hearing a girl critizing in detail ...
You do seem to be so happy to "find out" my children are in a band 3 school.
Unfortunately, I was just saying so.
My kids are in a very good school, in fact, in an international school too.
My comments of ESF is of course very meaningful. I want parents to see the real picture.
The "outcome" or "results"of ESF is not good. I do not think the results is at all acceptable.
We are talking about GCE A level, which is known to be very easy. Yet ESF is not producing higher percentage of A students. And worse, only 70% can get university admission. More, we do not even know what universities the majority of this 70% go to. Of course, I am sure with the huge population of ESF graduates (5 or 6 secondary schools in total?) there must be some that get into very good universities. But what about the norm?
I can say that the graduating year results is hardly comparable to other international schools or local schools.
This information is not bad-mouthing. I am not bad mouthing. I am just repeating information provided by some other parent. Unless, you believe that this parents who provided the information is lying.
May be you would not be but I am sure many parents would be shocked to see the result of university admittance statistics of ESF schools. And their decision would definitely be affected by the university admittance statistics or A level results.
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作者: Cara2006 時間: 09-8-31 17:09
原帖由 Reximom 於 09-8-31 16:51 發表
一個人係呢度有無發言權, 係基於佢子/女讀間咩級數既學校, 呢d咁既論點會唔會比較無聊左少少呢?
No.
Unless you are saying only positive things about ESF, then in fact no one is allowed to discuss about ESF.
I have seen a few other parents (from GSXS and SXS) 被 ESF PARENTS 圍.
We all know that both of these schools are definitely producing much better results than ESF.
But ESF parents never want to admit that other schools are better than them.
And they have this excuse of "cheaper fees" etc.
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作者: Cara2006 時間: 09-8-31 19:19
原帖由 thankful 於 09-8-31 19:09 發表
What makes you think that I am happy to hear your kids are in a band 3 school. Which school your kids go to doesn't affect me. Those are your kids (thank God!), not mine! It's just that I think eve ...
When ESF's results are poor, that is poor.
Whether my kids are in GSIS, CIS, or even they are in ESF, does not have any effect with the percentage of 70% university admission.
By telling you which school my children are going to, the percentage will not jump to 90% or drop to 50%. Do not divert the attention to which school my children are going to. Even if I am telling you, you might as well say I am lying. So what is the point? I think parents should stick to "FACTS": 70% university admission and you still think this is good?
作者: Cara2006 時間: 09-8-31 19:21
There is no need for me to "disclose" which school my children are in.
What ever I will tell you, you will accuse me for lying.
BTW, which school your children are in?
May be YOU would want to tell us.
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作者: Cara2006 時間: 09-8-31 19:24
原帖由 thankful 於 09-8-31 19:23 發表
Mine are in GSIS. How about yours?
Good, this is one of the best schools.
Mine are in SIS.
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作者: eaymom 時間: 09-9-1 00:40
I agree with thankful. Every parents have their own reason to choose the school for their kids. I personally know parents that turn down GSIS, CIS, SIS, ISF, FIS for ESF. Each of them have their reasons and faith in the system and I don't think they are stupid.
ESF is a non-selective and I honestly think that it is not fair to compare with other selective schools such as GSIS. Statistics are sometimes misleading.
I have seen great ESF students and terrible SIS and CIS students (trust me, I did). But I won't make judgement on the schools based on what I saw.
The forum is meant to be a friendly exchange of experience between parents and is not meant for member to exert overly personal view that sometimes can be offensive to others.
There is really no point to say one school is better than the other. I think in some way ESF was very forward looking as they were the first few to change to IB while it took quite a number of years before GSIS (unwillingly) decided to change.
Just to be clear, I am not a ESF parents so no bias here.
作者: iamfine 時間: 09-9-1 09:16
I can't remember who said it but can't agree more - losers look for the "best" school and the wiser look for the "good enough" schools.
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作者: Cara2006 時間: 09-9-1 11:43
原帖由 thankful 於 09-8-31 19:35 發表
Why do you attack ESF all the time? What benefit do you get from it?
Attack?
I am referring to the figure someone posted: 70% university admittance.
And commented that it is definitely not good or acceptable.
What kind of school is this with a merely 70% university admittance?
I am not talking about Harvard business school, or HKU medical school. I am only talking about getting into any university, not the top ones.
May be just some very average U in the US or Canada. Or unpopular schools (departments) in local univerisites.
But 30% of the students cannot even get to that part?
My point is 70% is definitely not acceptable.
If you tell me that HKIS or GSIS is also producing this 70% rate, I would have said the same thing.
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作者: Cara2006 時間: 09-9-1 11:49
原帖由 eaymom 於 09-9-1 00:40 發表
ESF is a non-selective and I honestly think that it is not fair to compare with other selective schools such as GSIS. Statistics are sometimes misleading.
We all agree that ESF is not exactly selective. But I was also not selective when I talked about the university admittance.
Getting into Princeton and Oxford is of course not easy, but just getting into a university is not exactly hard. There are lots of "average" universities that do not ask for high grades.
Yet 30% of the students get nothing?
Is that a bit quite unbelievable?
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作者: Cara2006 時間: 09-9-1 12:32
原帖由 thankful 於 09-9-1 12:03 發表
Acceptable or not depends on:-
(1) Whether the 70% figure is correct or not.
(2) Assuming the figure is correct, what happens to the other 30%?
(3) Whether your own kid is in the 70% category or the ...
I do agree that there a lot of factors that affect the figure.
But unfortunately, numbers or figures are clear quantifiers, which parents would always look at.
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作者: iamfine 時間: 09-9-1 12:46
Hi Thankful,
Long time no talk. I knew I shouldn't have followed your posts. Your spoiled my mood for lunch at Caviar Kaspla!
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作者: edea 時間: 09-9-1 23:26
有時候收到一些舉報, 再看家長的回應實在有點無奈.
debate是好事, 但變成侮辱對方就不是好事了.
只想說, 就算再有point, 也應該用友善態度去討論, 別忘了一個人的態度也反映了他的修養. 我們教孩子, 成績重要, 品德都重要, 希望家長們都共勉之.
edea
作者: eaymom 時間: 09-9-1 23:36
Can't agree more with edea.
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作者: matthewdad 時間: 09-9-2 10:47
Back to the discussion on Harrow...
The schools in Beijing and Bangkok are become very rich people club and extremely difficult to get in and no one really particular care on the acedemic result..this is what we called "blue blood" school...
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作者: mattsmum 時間: 09-9-2 13:02 標題: 回覆 6# matthewdad 的文章
if you on the internet for it, there was more news on things like drug, murder etc.
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作者: edea 時間: 09-9-2 13:08
原帖由 Reximom 於 09-9-2 11:33 發表
版主, 你段野你批准講架, 唔好玩double standard delete 佢呀!
我冇批准過任何人講不友善或侮辱性說話, 請各位自重, 我唔會再俾警告, 如有人再發表不友善或帶挑釁性說話, 我會封鎖帳號.
我唔會同會員糾纏爭辯, 一切以版主意見為準. 我相信大家係成年人, 唔好要我行到呢一步, thank you!
edea
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原帖由 mattsmum 於 09-8-31 13:26 發表
any school that did not screen students by their academic performance, much cheaper than any private school in uk, yet still have good univerisity enrollment . don't take the figures quoted as a criti ...
Dear mattsmum,
Just like to clarify with you the university enrollment of ESF, according to past data, it was over 90% or nearly 100%, NOT 70% as you quoted. This is in fact satisfactory for a non-selective international school.
If you have doubt, please enquire directly with ESF.
Harrow International, on the other hand, is viewed as a prestiged private independent school in UK. A good alternative for the very rich.
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