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作者: 190204 時間: 09-6-24 01:18 標題: study in ESF school? path to University

My daughter will join the ESF year one in coming August. However, I still worry the path to local university in the future, as I heard from my relatives that ESF students are difficult to get into local university. And overseas is the only choice. Is this correct?

This issue has been discussed in my family many times and still can't figure out!

作者: Williamhero2009 時間: 09-6-24 09:26

Pls check in your dictionary what is meant by "International". If your horizon is so narrow, pls don't send your kids to International school.

作者: 壞女孩 時間: 09-6-24 10:19

If you are aiming at local universities, why do you send your daughter to an international school? If it's just for the sake of learning good English and having less pressure, you'd better think twice. For me, I would be very disappointed if my child would only be accepted by a local university.

作者: hysterical 時間: 09-6-24 13:24

If your target is local university, local school would be the more logical choice. When the international school students apply to local u's, they are applying non-jupas, and the quota is much less than jupas, only like 5-10%.

For IB diplomas, HKU Law school requires minimum like 43-44/45, almost full score and is very very difficult to achieve. This exam result can baiscally qualify for Harvard, Oxford, Cambridge, etc.

作者: oooray 時間: 09-6-24 13:28

By future economic or family reasons, studying in local U is always one (of course not the only one) of my children's options.
Hong Kong may have (or may not have) very famous Universities after 10 or 15 years. Why should be exclude ourselves for this future option now?
Maybe I will be going to bankruptcy after 10years. Local U maybe my one and only one option. Who knows?

作者: Williamhero2009 時間: 09-6-24 13:48

Agreed. Maybe after ten yrs, HKU or other local Us will accept IS students via other system instead of non-jupas. Don't think too much.

原帖由 oooray 於 09-6-24 13:28 發表
By future economic or family reasons, studying in local U is always one (of course not the only one) of my children's options.
Hong Kong may have (or may not have) very famous Universities after 10 or ...

作者: almom 時間: 09-6-25 10:31

In Hong Kong, students not studying local curriculum would have to go for non-JUPAS. I do not know what is going to happen 10 years later, but that is the case now.
I am sure everyone has his own reasons when choosing a school and choosing a destination for tertiary education.
However, parents must understand each year there are this fixed number of places for non-JUPAS. Our kids are in fact in a very unfavorable position.
I think getting a place in local universities should not be that difficult, if you are willing to settle for something "less popular". But if you are talking about hot schools, eg law school, medical school, etc then it is hard. They are asking for unreasonably high scores/results if you are not doing local curriculum; those scores (like someone said) can probably take you to Harvard or Cambridge.
But things should be better in other areas. According to the websites of a few of the international schools, I noted that there are in fact quite a lot of international school students that decided to stay in Hong Kong for tertiary education.
So, not totally impossible, but you really need to adjust your hopes and expectations too.

作者: Williamhero2009 時間: 09-6-25 12:17

Come on, HK is only a tiny city, do u want your childs only focusing on this small city and HKUs. We are all talking about cosmopolitan now. Only focusing on local stuffs are out, think big pls.

作者: almom 時間: 09-6-25 12:21

原帖由 Williamhero2009 於 09-6-25 12:17 發表
Come on, HK is only a tiny city, do u want your childs only focusing on this small city and HKUs. We are all talking about cosmopolitan now. Only focusing on local stuffs are out, think big pls.

Personally, I have never considered local universities.

But I think we should appreciate that there are people who consider this an option, and respect these people's choices.

[ 本帖最後由 almom 於 09-6-25 12:26 編輯 ]

作者: Williamhero2009 時間: 09-6-25 12:32

I know ppl have different choices and I am not trying to stoke tensions here. This is merely a gesture of goodwill to offer comment. All I try to say is calling for many parents putting their kids to ISs should boarden their horizon. The earth is not just HK. I also know some ppls would cling to their desire, e.g. must be local Us. That's fine. But pls don't regret after few years.

作者: mow-mow 時間: 09-6-25 13:21

The 'unreasonably high' score required to get into medical school in HKU is because you are not just competing with the local international students, but also those Hong Kong students studying in boarding schools abroad.
Nowadays, Hong Kong students from Eton & Winchester, Wycombe Abbey & Cheltenham Ladies', are all applying back to HKU if they want to do medicine.
Unfortunately in a world that is becoming more global, many professions are becoming more secular!

原帖由 almom 於 09-6-25 10:31 發表
In Hong Kong, students not studying local curriculum would have to go for non-JUPAS. I do not know what is going to happen 10 years later, but that is the case now.
I am sure everyone has his own reas ...

作者: 190204 時間: 09-6-25 14:49

It is sure that Hong Kong is just a tiny city in the world, but it is difficult to understand why people thinking studying locally = narrow horizon?! From my understand, international = local + overseas. International is not only overseas, children graduated from overseas doesn't means to be better.

As a parent, I think we can only provide a studying platform to the children and it is his/her choice to study locally or overseas in the future. I just try to understand the pros and cons between local primary school and IS, to ensure that it is the right choice with flexibility to my child.

作者: oooray 時間: 09-6-25 15:16

原帖由 190204 於 09-6-25 14:49 發表
It is sure that Hong Kong is just a tiny city in the world, but it is difficult to understand why people thinking studying locally = narrow horizon?! From my understand, international = local + overse ...

In my opinion, Studying in IS in Hong Kong = Learning internationally and locally.

作者: wisekid2007 時間: 09-6-25 15:57

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作者: nintendo 時間: 09-6-28 14:13

原帖由 190204 於 09-6-25 14:49 發表
International is not only overseas, children graduated from overseas doesn't means to be better.

It depends on the profession.
For the professional bodies, eg. doctors, engineers, lawyers, accountants, etc, it seems that local graduates might get their professional qualifications easier and faster. However, if you are overseas graduates, you can move on further easier.
It is true that generally, most employers prefer overseas graduates, of course except you are targeting to work for the government.

作者: Miclint 時間: 09-6-29 14:19

I would say the first degree is just something basic in our kids' generation. I do trust some specialties and subjects in Hong Kong could be a good stepping stone while our kids could always get a second degree overseas. 20 years from now, sandwiches in China famous university could be popular. Who knows.

For your inforamtion, last year, 25% of HKU places were offered to non-JUPUS students. Most of them are from IB. And HKU Medicine is taking 39 points IB diploma result.

作者: wisekid2007 時間: 09-6-29 16:53

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作者: allyri 時間: 09-6-29 19:15

From your information, may you share the source for reference, pls?

原帖由 Miclint 於 09-6-29 14:19 發表
For your inforamtion, last year, 25% of HKU places were offered to non-JUPUS students. Most of them are from IB. And HKU Medicine is taking 39 points IB diploma result.

[ 本帖最後由 allyri 於 09-6-29 19:20 編輯 ]

作者: leschelems 時間: 09-6-30 16:17

Not only. They can still get to local university through non-JUPAS admission.

原帖由 190204 於 09-6-24 01:18 發表
My daughter will join the ESF year one in coming August. However, I still worry the path to local university in the future, as I heard from my relatives that ESF students are difficult to get into loc ...

作者: wisekid2007 時間: 09-6-30 17:05

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作者: Williamhero2009 時間: 09-6-30 17:22

I express solidarity with your views.

原帖由 wisekid2007 於 09-6-29 16:53 發表
The univeristy life of a full-time student studying the first degree is totally different from that of studying a higher degree no matter on full-time or part-time basis. Such experience is the most v ...

作者: Viviangugu 時間: 09-7-3 13:19

Good overseas unis are definitely better at research and professors/lecturers have a genuine interest in their work. This translates to better engagement with students and hence students are often much more inspired. To be inspired and fascinated by the subject being studied must mean more to just simply learning the ropes, memorising technical details. Remember a child needs to dream and only in pursuing his/her dream will true rewards be reaped. I am afraid local unis often forget that or smirk at the thought of still having a dream at such mature age.

Good grades, good jobs, good money and never really know how to enjoy and appreciate the world and people around you - I don't want my child to be like that so I am definitely opting for IS and overseas unis. I must say Hong Kong educational system makes execellent "technicians" but rarely independent thinkers. It's all part of the city's past history. I think HK will one day become truely cosmopolitan but until then, i hope my child will make the right decision himself and go experience the world when his time comes.

作者: Miclint 時間: 09-7-3 16:43

That's true - simply by reviewing my own path. Agreed!

原帖由 wisekid2007 於 09-6-29 16:53 發表
The univeristy life of a full-time student studying the first degree is totally different from that of studying a higher degree no matter on full-time or part-time basis. Such experience is the most v ...

作者: Christmas 時間: 09-7-4 20:11

Totally agree with you!

原帖由 Viviangugu 於 09-7-3 13:19 發表
Good overseas unis are definitely better at research and professors/lecturers have a genuine interest in their work. This translates to better engagement with students and hence students are often m ...

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