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作者: yy_hippo 時間: 09-4-15 17:09 標題: ESF Year two vs Marymount Primary one

My girl is studying at ESF Year one and she is getting a seat at a local English school in coming September.
This is hard to choose to stay or not.
Please advise.

Best Regards,

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作者: Yau_Cheung 時間: 09-4-15 22:17

Still don't make up your mind?

原帖由 yy_hippo 於 09-4-15 17:09 發表
My girl is studying at ESF Year one and she is getting a seat at a local English school in coming September.
This is hard to choose to stay or not.
Please advise.

Best Regards,

作者: Yau_Cheung 時間: 09-4-18 15:58

Please share your valuable advice with my friend. Thank you.

原帖由 yy_hippo 於 09-4-15 17:09 發表
My girl is studying at ESF Year one and she is getting a seat at a local English school in coming September.
This is hard to choose to stay or not.
Please advise.

Best Regards,

作者: wootaitai 時間: 09-4-18 23:10

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作者: yy_hippo 時間: 09-4-20 10:39

Why did I let me girl study at ESF?

I think she gets the talent in language. She studied at common local kindergarten but she can speak English very well. She only learns English from TV as we often watch the English Channel. Luckily she passed the interview and got a seat in ESF primary school last year.

Why did I join the local Primary allocation?

Because I don’t sure my kid can adapt very well at ESF or not. I joined the local primary allocation for safety and backup purposes. Luckily again, I got a seat at an English famous local primary.

Why do I need to choose to stay or not?

More of my relatives and friends advised me to let my kid go back at local schools. They reminded me that Chinese language is very important for my kid’s further career development. She need to learn Chinese as well as English.
They said that Marymount might train up my kid good in both of English and Chinese language. I can’t waste this chance.

In fact, my kid is really loved studying at ESF and she adapts very well at school. The comment from teacher is good and she has friends and enjoys learning at ESF. English is being her first language now and she doesn’t want to learn Chinese.

For my opinion, I will let my kid stays at ESF because she loves it. However I don’t really sure it is a good choice.

Can anyone share?

Regards,

原帖由 wootaitai 於 09-4-18 23:10 發表
What is the reason for choosing ESF in the first place?

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作者: G-Ma 時間: 09-4-20 13:04

I also think Chinese is a very important language in nowaday and future.

Marymount is a good school, to me I will not give up this chance.

作者: kls12 時間: 09-4-20 16:18

原帖由 yy_hippo 於 09-4-20 10:39 發表
Why did I let me girl study at ESF?

I think she gets the talent in language. She studied at common local kindergarten but she can speak English very well. She only learns English from TV as we often ...

For your situation, let your daughter to stay at ESF.

Your should quit at ESF only if she is not happy there.

作者: wootaitai 時間: 09-4-20 22:05

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作者: leschelems 時間: 09-4-21 17:52

If your daughter has reluctance in Chinese language, I'm sure she will suffer a lot from studying Chinese at MPS (or any other local school).

Although MPS is famous of its English as a local school, its requirements of Chinese language are no difference from other local schools. Everybody there learns Chinese as their native language, rather than learning Chinese as a foreign language as in ESF.

It's a happy problem to have options. She might excel in either path. It's just that if you want her to go down the local school path, she has to catch up her Chinese language hard and fast.

原帖由 yy_hippo 於 09-4-20 10:39 發表
Why did I let me girl study at ESF?

I think she gets the talent in language. She studied at common local kindergarten but she can speak English very well. She only learns English from TV as we often ...

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作者: mow-mow 時間: 09-4-22 10:37

It won't be easy for international school kids to go back to local school.
Other than the obvious language problem (catching up with Chinese), it is also difficult for them to adapt to the competitive environment as well as the heavy workload.
I am not saying it can't be done, but you & your kid should better be prepared for a rather traumatic transition period!

作者: yy_hippo 時間: 09-4-22 14:42

My girl studies at ESF primary one is only for few months. I think she can catch up the Chinese later if she studies at local school. I definitely agree that we need to put more efforts on it.

This is hard for me to give up the seat in ESF. My girl loves it and this is a good school too. If I choose to stay at ESF, her English will be good but Chinese may be fair. Then I am going to hire a tutor for teaching her Chinese. I do hope it may help.

If there is no concern about money, your kid’s Chinese is just fair. Do you still let you kid study at ESF?

Regards,

原帖由 mow-mow 於 09-4-22 10:37 發表
It won't be easy for international school kids to go back to local school.
Other than the obvious language problem (catching up with Chinese), it is also difficult for them to adapt to the competitive ...

作者: WYmom 時間: 09-4-22 16:44

原帖由 yy_hippo 於 09-4-22 14:42 發表
My girl studies at ESF primary one is only for few months. I think she can catch up the Chinese later if she studies at local school. I definitely agree that we need to put more efforts on it.

This ...

I know a friend's case similar to yours, so just tell for your reference. I know a friend who has transferred her kid years ago from ESF Y1 to a top famous local English primary govt school through lucky draw to study P.1. Now the girl is at P.6.

After the transfer, the girl got 2 problems:

1. Catching up with Chinese - she has gone through quite a hard period at P.1, and she was teased by some classmates as well.

2. The much heavier homework workload in local school vs almost no homework in ESF

Throughout all these years, she has to go to English, Chinese and Maths tutor class after school to keep up her standard. After a few years, her mother wanted to transfer her back to ESF in upper primaries due to the high academic pressure and the competition of entering famous band 1 secondary schools. Yet she has waited for 2-3 years and still no seat is available. She is still waiting but it is now more difficult as the standard requirement for entering ESF secondary school is much higher.

So apart from learning more English vs more Chinese, I suggest you consider more importantly which way of teaching approach you prefer more for your kid in the coming 12 years.

作者: yy_hippo 時間: 09-4-22 16:53

Thanks for your share.

Regards,

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quote]原帖由 WYmom 於 09-4-22 16:44 發表

作者: leschelems 時間: 09-4-23 14:34

WYmom's case is classic.  If your daughter isn't the local school type of girl, you are going to give her a blow in schooling.  And by switching back from local school to international school, you may give her a second blow.

I also know someone who did the switching back.  Her daughter is still adjusting to the new environment.  According to her, her classmates seems noisy and naughty.  Sometimes they are impossible to befriend.  And although she was an average student in that famous local school, she tops in every academic subject easily and thus gets alienated.  In addition, she doesn't like doing exercise which is very different from the sporty international school students.

Although years back I chose MPS and declined ESF, I didn't see ESF as an inferior.  It's just my daughter would suit a local school better.

原帖由 WYmom 於 09-4-22 16:44 發表

I know a friend's case similar to yours, so just tell for your reference. I know a friend who has transferred her kid years ago from ESF Y1 to a top famous local English primary govt school through ...

作者: Radiomama 時間: 09-4-24 15:06

想問問大家意見,
1) 在國際學校(ESF)讀year 1, 其實相當於local kindergarten的k3, 學習差異應該分別不大, 所以轉回讀local P1的適應問題為何不能跟其他K3小朋友看齊?(eg. 功課壓力, 默書, 考試)
2) 小朋友同樣是新人類進入小學, 又怎會因語言問題而排擠別人 or 被排擠?
3) 完成了ESF year 1的小朋友, 會否較k3的成熟?

我正為仔仔部署小一問題, 來年可能出現跟樓主相同的問題, 所以想預早思考清楚.

作者: Png 時間: 09-4-25 01:40 標題: 回覆 # 的文章

1) Marymount is a dreamed school for most people, good in both English and Chinese.

2) I dont see too much problem for a Chinese kid to attend local primary school after completing kindergarten. No matter how often they use English at school, Chinese is still their mother tongue and they are living in a chinese environment.  Parents have the responsibility to help them adapt the transition period.  Maybe ESF kids need some extra help in chinese learning at the beginning.  If money is not a concern, there should be not much problem.

4) Kids from local kindergarten also need to adapt the new primary environment because it will be so different from the past.  Your case is actually not special at all.

5) Nowadays, Chinese has become a very important language, especially PTH.  So many foreigners are learning Chinese and subjects relating China.  We are Chinese, why giving up Chinese?

6) Learning good Chinese is more difficult than English.  So a strong foundation in primary stage is a must.

作者: elmostoney 時間: 09-4-27 11:01

我有親友的孩子在esf 唸書, 下課後一星期要補習中文兩次, 每次一個半小時,現在唸中三了, 中文程度跟小五小六差不多, 而且很多白字, 除了功課或某些被指定的事情, 從不會主動接觸中文, 朋輩及姊妹間也是以英文溝通. 如果你的女兒會留在esf, 中文發展的問題, 要有心理準備. 我不是說Marymount不好, 我自己就在那兒唸書, 不過這也不是我的首選, 我不喜歡本地教育制度.

作者: G-Ma 時間: 09-4-27 15:55

還有一點是德育上的培訓也是一個考慮, esf學校比較寬鬆, 相對地傳統學校就比較嚴.

作者: AugSun 時間: 09-4-27 17:58

There is a side question -

As you are so lucky, would you mind to tell me that are you living in Happy Valley? Is that why you got a seat at Marymount by lucky draw in 自行分配學位or 統一派位?
I applied ESF for my daughter for the coming year and she is on wait-list. Just call few days ago they said she might not have a chance for Y1. You are so lucky for both la.

AugSun

原帖由 G-Ma 於 09-4-27 15:55 發表
還有一點是德育上的培訓也是一個考慮, esf學校比較寬鬆, 相對地傳統學校就比較嚴.

作者: yy_hippo 時間: 09-4-27 19:21

G-Ma,

Thanks for your remind!
I think the parents need to educate their children's德育. I wont' depended on school.

Regards,

原帖由 G-Ma 於 09-4-27 15:55 發表
還有一點是德育上的培訓也是一個考慮, esf學校比較寬鬆, 相對地傳統學校就比較嚴.

作者: yy_hippo 時間: 09-4-27 19:28

AugSun,

I live in Western district. I got the seat in 自行分配學位.
Good luck to you.

Regards,

原帖由 AugSun 於 09-4-27 17:58 發表
There is a side question -

As you are so lucky, would you mind to tell me that are you living in Happy Valley? Is that why you got a seat at Marymount by lucky draw in 自行分配學位or 統一派位?
I ap ...

作者: wootaitai 時間: 09-4-27 22:27

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作者: elmostoney 時間: 09-4-28 10:55

我反而覺得本地學校太追求成績, 父母都加以配合, 小朋友物都唔好理, 最緊要讀好書, 結果做就左d高分低能嘅學生出來...離開左讀書範圍, 好多小朋友都唔識為自己打算同照顧自己. 呢類人係呢10年8年陸續係社會出現, 公司請人interview時同請d畢業生就會見到.

作者: elmostoney 時間: 09-4-28 10:57

wootaitai, i am also old girl wor! but i am really old ar.

作者: yy_hippo 時間: 09-4-28 11:32

I am not one of old students in MPS. Lucky I got a seat with 20 marks.
MPS is one of the dream schools for someone, but I don’t really know it is as good as before. I still have queries about her academic level.
Can anyone share?

Regards,

原帖由 wootaitai 於 09-4-27 22:27 發表
May I ask are you alumnae? did you have 25 pts or 20 pts?

The reason I am asking is that I want to know what the old girls think of MPS now. (I am one) Frankly speaking most of my old classmates said ...

作者: wootaitai 時間: 09-4-28 20:09

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作者: yy_hippo 時間: 09-4-28 20:51

wootaitai,

Thanks for your information.

Regards,

作者: elmostoney 時間: 09-4-29 11:37

我諗唔好用有幾多狀元去衡量學校好唔好，好似wootaitai咁，睇大圍比較知適．

我係好多年之前讀，我讀時重係叫maryknoll sisters' school，學校有修女．我不嬲唔覺得academic wise MSS係top school．佢唔係出ｄ物狀元嘅學校，但係就冇其他學校谷得咁衡，而學術又中上，英文的確比好多學校好．而家唔知變成點．

始終津校冇得揀學生，質素比直資係差ｄ．我個年代係耍考入去，學校可以自己揀，我重記得學費係$20一個月．

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作者: elmostoney 時間: 09-4-29 11:39

我唔知其他學校點，係我嘅年代，真係會有ｄ幾talk得嘅英文老師，發音係幾好，而且可以對答如流．而班上好多學生真係操到一口好英文，不過個ｄ多數有補習．

作者: wootaitai 時間: 09-4-29 22:15

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作者: elmostoney 時間: 09-5-1 22:48

just curious. what year did you enter. me, 1976 p.1

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作者: ync_224 時間: 09-5-10 11:31

Hi elmostoney

Seems like we were in the same year, I was in 1A/2A/3C/4D/5B/6B, any chance we had been studying in the same class?

原帖由 elmostoney 於 09-5-1 22:48 發表
just curious. what year did you enter. me, 1976 p.1

作者: janetlo 時間: 09-5-14 16:51

Esf is quite different now, it has Chinese (Mandarin) class everyday, so the standard of Chinese will not be as bad as before.

原帖由 elmostoney 於 09-4-27 11:01 發表
我有親友的孩子在esf 唸書, 下課後一星期要補習中文兩次, 每次一個半小時,現在唸中三了, 中文程度跟小五小六差不多, 而且很多白字, 除了功課或某些被指定的事情, 從不會主動接觸中文, 朋輩及姊妹間也是以英文溝通. ...

作者: 好命婆 時間: 09-5-14 17:52

If I were you I would let my girl still study at ESF. Although Chinese is very important (I have no doubt on this) but it is just a language only. The most important is happy school life for her.

Keep her staying in ESF she may only fair in Chinese but transfer to local school, she may lost her happy childhood. So don't think too much...who will know what will happen after 20 years? And I definately didn't think your partent would had known Chinese would became such a main language 20-30 year ago, right?

作者: yy_hippo 時間: 09-5-15 11:11

I consider letting her stay at esf, if she is willing to learn Chinese at home.
I do hope she has a happy childhood and enjoy studying.

Many thanks for all parents’ responses.

Regards,

作者: elmostoney 時間: 09-5-18 22:27

ync_224, i am sure we hv been in the same class!!!

1D/2A/3B/4C/5B/6B

Form 1A, then quit and moved overseas!

相認下先

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作者: elmostoney 時間: 09-5-18 22:29

Glenealy ESF's weekly Chinese curriculum is uploaded (and updated) on their website. Interested moms can take a look and would understand what I mean when I say their Chinese is practically non-existent.

作者: ync_224 時間: 09-5-19 12:22

Hi elmostoney

So are you now in HK? Wow, we were in the same classes at least for the last 2 years! (Mrs Pong being our class teacher)

原帖由 elmostoney 於 09-5-18 22:27 發表
ync_224, i am sure we hv been in the same class!!!

1D/2A/3B/4C/5B/6B

Form 1A, then quit and moved overseas!

相認下先

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作者: ync_224 時間: 09-5-19 13:08

My elder girl is only in K1 now, since we live in Stanley, wonder if St Stephen's is closer & better for her. Marymount is a bit far, & my mum always say Marymount isn't as good as in the old days.

Any comment?

原帖由 wootaitai 於 09-5-19 12:41 發表
Hello both - will you apply for marymount then for your girls?

I dont know any old classmates' daughters studying at MSS now (well only a of them few have such big girls to be fair).... makes me feel ...

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作者: ync_224 時間: 09-5-19 15:35

I'm thinking the same too (to try our luck on St Stephen's), but if it fails, it means we'll get allocated to the schools in Southern District which I've no idea at all + far away ... And w/25 marks, will it be a waste for not trying MSS ...?

作者: ync_224 時間: 09-5-19 15:39

oh sorry, should be MPS ... still being in my old days ... (Maryknoll Sisters' School)

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作者: elmostoney 時間: 09-5-19 22:18

Yes, I am in HK now. MSS is a reasonable distance from my home, but it is not on my list. I plan to apply to CIS, SIS and ISF. MSS is just a back up for me. After going through high school overseas (equivalent to IS in HK), I just can't bring myself to send my daughter to ls. I simply don't believe in the system. I am not here to judge whether IS or LS is better, just a conclusion based on my personal experience.

ync_224, where is your daughter going to school now? She will be in K2 in the fall? My daughter is supposed to start K1 in Sept, which puts her one year younger than yours.

作者: elmostoney 時間: 09-5-19 22:21

ync_224, how is the 25 points made up? I only get 20 points (first born+alumni).

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作者: elmostoney 時間: 09-5-19 23:10

my girl isn't going to an official kindergarten. I started her off at a montessori learning centre and decided that I want her to stay with montessori as long as possible. I did go to tour a couple of montessori schools (not many options), but for many reasons, i decided to keep her in the present learning centre for K1. Anyway, CIS and SIS start reception at K2, so that's what I aimed at.

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作者: ync_224 時間: 09-5-20 12:11

My daughter is studying at SMMC (聖瑪加利大) now, about 40 mins ride by nanny bus.

25 pts (first born+alumni+religion)

My other concern is my younger daughter is a 細女 (Nov), so 要睇姐黎食飯

原帖由 elmostoney 於 09-5-19 22:21 發表
ync_224, how is the 25 points made up? I only get 20 points (first born+alumni).

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作者: elmostoney 時間: 09-5-20 21:46

i didn't really look into woodlands because I've heard that it is not truly montessori. Seems that most of their teachers do not hold internationally acknowledged montessori qualifications.

作者: almom 時間: 09-5-22 14:44

International schools and local schools are different NOT ONLY because of the language environment.

ESF students are not only good students. They are in fact good learners.

International schools do not merely teach students knowledge. They teach students to be learners, so students can learn with real interests and initiation, and students do love to learn even when they are outside the school and outside the curriculum. You probably cannot notice the skills your child have acquired during primary school years. But those skills do come in handy when she is in secondary school and beyond.

作者: yy_hippo 時間: 09-5-22 15:56

Hi Almon,

Thanks for your share.

Regards,

原帖由 almom 於 09-5-22 14:44 發表
International schools and local schools are different NOT ONLY because of the language environment ...

作者: ync_224 時間: 09-5-24 23:24

Elmostoney

I wonder if you remember Heyton, whom was in 5B & 6B as well ...? He's now teaching in one of the ESFs, he said he's like going to Disneyland everyday, what a job!

原帖由 elmostoney 於 09-5-20 21:46 發表
i didn't really look into woodlands because I've heard that it is not truly montessori. Seems that most of their teachers do not hold internationally acknowledged montessori qualifications.

作者: elmostoney 時間: 09-5-25 11:33

??? Let me name a few people and see if we are in the same year. I was in the same class as Maureen, June, Cherry, Alicia (or was that F 1A?) sorry, I am losing my memory...

作者: elmostoney 時間: 09-5-25 11:34

Corina and her cousin (forgot her name) were in the same class with me in 5B/6B. Maureen for sure. She was the 班長 and very popular. I think Iris also. She was kind of a tom boy.

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作者: elmostoney 時間: 09-5-25 11:37

I started P. 1 in the fall of 1976 and graduated in '82. started secondary in the fall of '82.

作者: ync_224 時間: 09-5-25 22:54

Spot on, we were classmates 30 years ago!

I still got my 5B class photo, the ppl u mentioned were not in there, I know them though (except Cherry).  I remembered June, she was sitting next to me when hvg the 小一入學試 & was copying my answers during the exam (I was glad to let her do so too, don't know why) and ended up we were in the same class in 1A.

Oh, I don't know Corina's cousin was studying in the same class, I just remembered she used to hang out w/Justina & Lisa, maybe one of them is her cousin?  Justina looks like it ...  And Iris, we used to go to each other's hse to play when in lower class, her elder sis was studying in MSS as well.

And Heyton, was quite an 'active' boy in our class at that time, everybody knew him ... u can't remember?  And Horace, Victor, John, Andy, David ...?

原帖由 elmostoney 於 09-5-25 11:33 發表
??? Let me name a few people and see if we are in the same year. I was in the same class as Maureen, June, Cherry, Alicia (or was that F 1A?) sorry, I am losing my memory...

作者: elmostoney 時間: 09-5-26 09:47

wait, i think no boys by p5?  I don't recall having guys in the class.  I do remember Horace.

Yes, Justina is Corina's cousin.  During my years at P5&p6, I used to hang out a lot with Justina, Corina, and Maureen (我地叫佢做阿媽架!).  Corina lived in the same 屋苑 as me, so she came to my place to play sometimes.  Our group also went to Justina's place to play for a few times.  Now that you mention it, I remember Lisa.  She lived at lower Tai Hang Road.  Iris has an elder sister studying in the upper forms?

Anyway, our group quickly disintegrated after we moved on to F1.  Maureen, me, and one or two others were in the same class. I don't remember if Justina was in the same class with us in F1, may be no.  Corina, for sure no.  June was, but I was never close to her.  She is a bit of a prankster, and I was a bit too slow to deal with her. (May be Cherry was in F1 class together, not P5/P6).  My pictures are still in my mom's house overseas, so I will have to test my memory.

I lost touch because I left school after F.1.

哈! 我地竟然會係bk相認, 真係好神奇!

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作者: elmostoney 時間: 09-5-26 09:58

ync_224, are you working now or do you take care of your kids full time?

作者: elmostoney 時間: 09-5-26 10:03

其實我覺得the key to MPS' decline is 大抽獎派位 since the school has no control over student selection. I don't mean the school intended to maintain an upper class image because quite a few people also lived in public housing estate during my years. But having the power to choose brighter kids do help to uplift the quality of the students.

作者: wootaitai 時間: 09-5-26 10:27

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作者: ync_224 時間: 09-5-26 11:44

wootaitai:  I wonder if you're the same yr w/my sis, & Vera Lee, the DJ "拿拿林"?

elmostoney:  May I hv a wild guess if ur 1 of them:
Winnie/Brenda/Joyce/Ivy?

Sadly I'm a working mum ... so don't hv as much time as you gals on the kids.  My thinking is the 出路 for studying in IS is to go overseas studying anyway, so letting my kids to study at LS at the moment to learn as much Chinese as possible.

作者: ync_224 時間: 09-5-26 11:52

is Maureen the girl with/some accent, quite big & tall? She's not in class 5B wor ...!

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作者: elmostoney 時間: 09-5-26 20:27

Maureen Tan.  I think she is in 5B?  (No?)  May be I was with her in F1A???  I remember we put on a play in P5 or P6 together... But you can check it out in the photo as I don't have it on hand.

Brenda was my best buddy in F1.  Your guess is correct.

I am working too, but I am lucky that I work part time so I do get to spend more time with my kids.  If you live in Stanley, going to work is a bit inconvenient, isn't it?

作者: wootaitai 時間: 09-5-27 00:28

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