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作者: Riesling 時間: 09-3-25 16:47 標題: SIS同Victoria, 點比呀? 邊間好d呢?

Pls. share your thought!

作者: cherubic 時間: 09-3-26 13:46

SIS is an international school, whilst VSA is a private local school. I can provide you with more factual information on VSA if you want to know.

作者: Riesling 時間: 09-3-26 17:23

Thx cherubic! I just know from you that VSA is not an international school….As they are teaching in native English and Mandarin, I always think that they are IS. Do they speak Cantonese in school? Do the kids speak in Cantonese in school as well?

You said that they are local school, do you mean you are using local curriculum?

Thx v much!

原帖由 cherubic 於 09-3-26 13:46 發表
SIS is an international school, whilst VSA is a private local school. I can provide you with more factual information on VSA if you want to know.

作者: cherubic 時間: 09-3-26 17:36

During the class, the students speak English except for Chinese language lesson in which they use Putonghua. The students speak Cantonese during recess/ lunch time. The majority are Chinese.

They follow IB programme.

原帖由 Riesling 於 09-3-26 17:23 發表
Thx cherubic! I just know from you that VSA is not an international school….As they are teaching in native English and Mandarin, I always think that they are IS. Do they speak Cantonese in school? Do ...

作者: Riesling 時間: 09-3-26 17:48

Thx again! So, can you share with me why did you say VSA is a local school? in what sense? or I may not know clearly what's the definition of an IS..... :)

作者: vvnpo 時間: 09-3-27 01:34

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作者: wisekid2007 時間: 09-3-27 12:08

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作者: jjd 時間: 09-3-27 12:21

I am not sure whether the following link does help a little. RC is on the list but ISF & VSA are not. DC is not there perhaps it's too new and the list has not yet been updated.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lis ... l_schools#Hong_Kong

作者: wisekid2007 時間: 09-3-27 12:32

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作者: cherubic 時間: 09-3-27 12:40

I cannot identify a definition of "IS". VSA, ISF and RC are called "specified school" according to Schedule 3 of the Education Ordinance (Cap. 279). See this.

http://www.hklii.org/hk/legis/en/ord/279/sch3.html

原帖由 wisekid2007 於 09-3-27 12:08 發表
VSA, ISF , RC and DC, etc., are not classified as international school according to the definition of EB. They are all called private independent school. They have the right of not following the loca ...

作者: wisekid2007 時間: 09-3-27 12:46

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作者: janetlo 時間: 09-3-27 14:56

According to EB, some schools classified as "specified school" are due to the land, the land is given out by the government but the school has the freedom to run it. It doesnt mean it is a international school or a local school or a private school. The school can choose their own curriculum, like ISF and RC has totally different curriculum but they are in the same classification. ICS and Yew Chung is also in the same classification too.

Therefore, as a parent, it is more important to choose the school according to their curriculum, and no need to worry too much about how EB classified it.

原帖由 wisekid2007 於 09-3-27 12:46 發表
Thank you for clarifying the OFFICIAL name of classification of those schools as "specified school".

In fact I heard the term "Private and Independent School" from the schools themselves as well as ...

作者: wisekid2007 時間: 09-3-27 14:59

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作者: janetlo 時間: 09-3-27 15:06

It seems that ICS has no such requirement.

原帖由 wisekid2007 於 09-3-27 14:59 發表
Not only the land issue, one of the requirements of those "specified school" is that they should admit at least 70% of local students.

作者: wisekid2007 時間: 09-3-27 17:12

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作者: Mornington 時間: 09-3-28 01:04

Hi wisekid2007

Can you please enlighten us your finding a little bit further "....offically those schools should admit at least 70% of local students...'?

Where this piece of information from official website could be found anyway?

BR

作者: almom 時間: 09-3-29 23:13

You may simply google "private independent school" and you should be able to get links to government documents.
There is such expectation from the government that 70% of the students are local. But it is also stated that it is in fact not binding requirement for the schools, and they can adjust the percentage according to demand.

作者: wisekid2007 時間: 09-3-30 12:59

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作者: Cara2006 時間: 09-3-30 16:46

RC & DC 都係 ESF 集團經營的學校。
ESF 有一系列的學校，學生眾多，老師眾多。我覺得問題，根本唔係話舊 ESF 校，定係新 PIS 的問題。根本整體 ESF 學校都係集團式咁經營，我睇唔到學校有幾好。個個都吹噓 ESF 學生成績好，但係你地有冇諗過，學校集團咁大，有幾個考試考得好，有幾個入都好大學有幾奇？學生人數眾多，有三幾個考到 OXBRIDGE ，IVY LEAGUE 就好似好巴閉，你地知唔知同時根本有好多人讀唔成書？好似薛海琪就係 ESF 中學，佢 D 英文錯得離普，寫野錯漏百出，入去城大 ( 並非各位講咁，入到 IVY LEAGUE 咁掂，甚至中大港大都入唔到 )，讀埋 D 冷門科，重要讀讀下唔讀。當然，薛小姐個案唔能夠代表 ESF 全部學生，但係大家都唔駛報喜不報憂，淨係拎 D 叻的吹噓，唔叻就唔提。

作者: thankful 時間: 09-3-30 18:54

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作者: elmostoney 時間: 09-3-31 10:41

我聽朋友讀esf, 其實冇人話係呢間學校勁, 佢地話係is中學費最相宜, 如此而已.

我5個親戚讀esf, 3個讀cis, cis學生唔一定勁, 不過聽埋聽埋, 你會覺得cis 對學生支援好d, 呢樣係真. 所有學校都有好有唔好學生, 都好睇自己點讀. 不過我都唔揀esf, 起碼我呢頭個幾間中文都唔掂, 所以唔考慮.

作者: almom 時間: 09-3-31 12:12

原帖由 Cara2006 於 09-3-30 16:46 發表
RC & DC 都係 ESF 集團經營的學校。
ESF 有一系列的學校，學生眾多，老師眾多。我覺得問題，根本唔係話舊 ESF 校，定係新 PIS 的問題。根本整體 ESF 學校都係集團式咁經營，我睇唔到學校有幾好。個個都吹噓 ESF 學生成績好，但係 ...

I read your message and some other's with real amazement.
You people are probably the only ones (one?) that is that persistent.

In any case, please note that the topic is about SIS (should be Singapore International School, right?) vs Victoria, so please stick to this.

Do not drag RC or ESF into this thread.

If you people are so keen, start your own thread of discussion by creating a new topic.

Have a good day.

作者: Riesling 時間: 09-4-1 15:18

Hi,

Sorry, I mean Singapore International School.

作者: CHENJY 時間: 09-5-23 22:30

原帖由 Riesling 於 09-4-1 15:18 發表
Hi,

Sorry, I mean Singapore International School.

My daughter now is in Singapore Int'l School. I regretted it and I would run with my tail if I can find another IS now.

作者: thankful 時間: 09-5-24 00:22

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作者: CHENJY 時間: 09-5-24 00:48

原帖由 thankful 於 09-5-24 00:22 發表
You said in another thread that "your daughter feels very stressful as she could not cope with the school progress. She feels inferior as she hardly meets teachers' expectation..." When did she join ...

Sorry for the confusion. I did not mean SIS has disciplinary problem. I wanted to ask about the AISHK school discipline. My daughter has been with SIS for almost 7 years.

作者: thankful 時間: 09-5-24 15:18

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作者: CHENJY 時間: 09-5-24 16:41

原帖由 thankful 於 09-5-24 15:18 發表
I know how you feel and I only wish I could be of help. Don't worry too much about school discipline issue because I believe every school has its fair share of good students and naughty ones. What's ...

THANK YOU for your encouragement! It brightened my day! I screen through the IS list but really not many good schools have vacancy. Anyway, will keep trying and surprise will sure come one day! THANKS

作者: thankful 時間: 09-5-25 01:38

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作者: CHENJY 時間: 09-5-26 10:36

原帖由 thankful 於 09-5-25 01:38 發表
CHENJY,

Don't merely screen through the list. Take out the list and identify all those schools that adopt an approach different from SIS (eg. ESF, Canadian International School, GSIS, HKIS ... etc.) ...

Thanks thankful for being "longwinded". You never know how useful your advices to me these days. Frankly, ESF is out because we can't even go into their waiting list. Other schools mentioned are currently full. Just called up American Int'l yesterday, they have vacancy. I have never thought of this school because being an Asian, we know very little about the American education system. Can you or any one share with me your experience? My girl is slightly below average (according to her current school standard) and she is a bit timid. I want to look for a school that is academically less challenging so as to allow her to regain her confidence.

作者: WYmom 時間: 09-5-26 11:35

原帖由 CHENJY 於 09-5-26 10:36 發表

Thanks thankful for being "longwinded". You never know how useful your advices to me these days. Frankly, ESF is out because we can't even go into their waiting list. Other schools mentioned are cur ...

Suggest you go to the school and take a look at their students, conduct, curriculum... Don't rush into joining a college without knowing the details.

Personally I think better to try GSIS, HKIS, CIS, CNIS.

[ 本帖最後由 WYmom 於 09-5-26 11:37 編輯 ]

作者: OKPLEASE 時間: 09-5-26 12:11

原帖由 WYmom 於 09-5-26 11:35 發表

Suggest you go to the school and take a look at their students, conduct, curriculum... Don't rush into joining a college without knowing the details.

Personally I think better to try GSIS, HKIS, C ...

I believe that GSIS, HKIS, CIS and CDNIS are even more difficult to 插班unless you may have relationship. For GSIS, CDNIS and CIS their academic level is not low, though may be less challenging than SIS.

In fact, Victoria Academy is not a bad choice, though people said that it is still new and has no track record. But the principle underlying the school is good, they got Eng, Mandarin and Cantonese. I heard the syllabus is not as harsh as SIS and is 活动教学.

作者: wisekid2007 時間: 09-5-26 14:26

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作者: elisabeth 時間: 09-5-26 14:40

Suggest not to choose Victoria, try to take by bus in the morning, the students of Victoria leap out from the bus and yelling foul language.

好多讀唔成書但父母有錢都選擇呢間學校。

Regarding American Intl always have vacancies. As I remembered I have applied this school 2 years before and we could easily to get a seat. But we finally rejected due to we heard some bad comments of this school. They called us many times for asking the reason to give up. I think it's impossible to happen from others.

原帖由 OKPLEASE 於 09-5-26 12:11 發表

I believe that GSIS, HKIS, CIS and CDNIS are even more difficult to 插班unless you may have relationship. For GSIS, CDNIS and CIS their academic level is not low, though may be less challenging than ...

作者: OKPLEASE 時間: 09-5-26 14:49

原帖由 wisekid2007 於 09-5-26 14:26 發表
What do you mean by "though may be less challenging than SIS"?

Do you think that the academic level of GSIS, HKIS and CIS is less than SIS?

**I believe that GSIS, HKIS, CIS and CDNIS are even more d ...

think the academic level is very very similar among GSIS, CDNIS and SIS ( I cannot comment on HKIS as I have no research on this school) but more challenging for SIS (for both kid and parents) is in the sense the teachers are more serious and the workload of homework is more.

Regarding the "relationship" stuff, I am not talking about Siblings. Even SIS does not look at siblings. I am talking about other special "relationship" with the school (know the top management, has made donations, hold corporate debentures etc.)because the no of vacancies is so little due to 插班, and of course I always agree that the ability is of utmost importance for any application of schools.

作者: wisekid2007 時間: 09-5-26 15:07

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作者: OKPLEASE 時間: 09-5-26 16:25

原帖由 wisekid2007 於 09-5-26 15:07 發表
**think the academic level is very very similar among GSIS, CDNIS and SIS ( I cannot comment on HKIS as I have no research on this school) **

Based on what ground do you think that they are very very ...

Of course, my understanding is based on the comments from other moms in other topics related comparing these ISs. If you kid is studying in GSIS, your information related to GSIS should be more correct.

Chenjy mom, have you tried GSIS as I quite agree that GSIS kids could study more happily there and also I know GSIS likes the kids from SIS.

Have you also heard about the IS called "Kellett School" in Pokfulam? It follows English curriculum. Most kids' parents there are UK expatriates.

作者: thankful 時間: 09-5-26 16:29

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作者: luluonthemoon 時間: 09-5-26 21:46

GSIS does accept students simply because they have very well done in the assessment (that's what they say!). It's not always true that GSIS likes students from particular schools. It can't be true. As it's been said, it's always the students' performance that only counts for admission. Very straightforward. But if you turn it around, it clearly shows that they're open to everyone. They don't care about where you live, or what kind of line the parents are in and so on. I've heard many cases of children who have failed both at sibling status and with corporate debenture.

Kellett doesn't have secondary section as most of the kids there go on to ESF at year 7.

CHENJY, sorry to hear about your daughter. Sounds like she's been a bit downhearted for herself... Have you ever talked with her about changing the schools? What does your daughter actually say about it? If she's still early years in a secondary school, you may want to take a chance to see the schools with unfamiliar curicculum. The bottomline is that she should be happy to learn at school. Although you have said that ESF has a long waiting list, I still think it's worth trying for application. Honestly, the standing in the list keeps changing there, you'd better call in from time to time. For other schools as well. Take her to the tour in some schools and see how she's interested. Nail down some of them to apply in the first place. You may never see the real situation of admission until you actually apply for it. As she may have ideas of what she likes or not in the subjects so far, you could consider American/Canadian curriculum if she looks interested in learning something new. Get her involved in the thorough research of possible schools. Don't take it on so much as there's always a brand new start and it's never too late. Hopefully this process will be something that gives you and your daughter different views and ideas towards her education.

作者: thankful 時間: 09-5-26 23:23

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作者: mattsmum 時間: 09-5-26 23:33 標題: 回覆 1# thankful 的文章

i found what I wrote on 09-feb 9, at at time there were seats at yr 8 in west island, don't know if it is still available.
http://forum.edu-kingdom.com/red ... 1&goto=lastpost

"ESF place avialable

saw an ed in today's paper, limited seats available now:

bradbury: only yr 6,
discovery: only yr 7,
kjs:
peaknly yr 6,
west island: only year 8.'"

作者: OKPLEASE 時間: 09-5-27 09:07

原帖由 luluonthemoon 於 09-5-26 21:46 發表
GSIS does accept students simply because they have very well done in the assessment (that's what they say!). It's not always true that GSIS likes students from particular schools. It can't be true. As ...

CHENJY, Kellett starts to have secondary school since last 1-2 year (now up to Year 8) and they plan to expand. Please see the following link. Since this is new, there may be vacancies.

http://www.kellettschool.com/y78.htm

作者: 狄麗絲 時間: 09-5-27 12:41

Dear okplease

How about Kellet school ? they only open to Y8 and also they share with campus with Camel. Will that be worth to share the facilities ? When the school confirmed to open G9.. Any comments of this school?

作者: Yau_Cheung 時間: 09-5-27 13:20

But the waiting list for Kellett is very very long too.

原帖由 OKPLEASE 於 09-5-27 09:07 發表

CHENJY, Kellett starts to have secondary school since last 1-2 year (now up to Year 8) and they plan to expand. Please see the following link. Since this is new, there may be vacancies.

http://www ...

作者: OKPLEASE 時間: 09-5-27 14:44

原帖由 狄麗絲 於 09-5-27 12:41 發表
Dear okplease

How about Kellet school ? they only open to Y8 and also they share with campus with Camel. Will that be worth to share the facilities ? When the school confirmed to open G9.. Any comme ...

My kid is just few years old and I may let her in this school in later years and that's why I do not very detailed research on the expansion plan but as far as I know the school is keen to expand and find a permanent site to accomodate the reception, primary and secondary together. They are thinking about Kowloon Bay. You can read this link: http://www.kellettschool.com/secondary/Letter%20re%20handover%20of%20SKW%20site.pdf.

Good points are:
1. Follow UK curriculum, good if you plan to send kids to UK to study in future - This school is introduced by my boss who is a British expatriate in HK. I told him that in future I want to send her to overseas boarding schools but I am afraid it may be too young for the kid to study alone overeas. Then he told me about this school, which is following UK curriculum and so I can delay sending her to UK for boarding.

2. Friendly attitude of principal - I did visit this school and I found that the current place, if just for reception and primary, is acceptable, in term of facilities. I also like the friendly smiles of the principal, Ann Macdonald and the teaching staffs there. It is Ann Macdonald who takes us to school visit in an hour time. All kids know her and say good morning to her. It seems to me that the culture there is very friendly.

3. 有教無類 priniple - I agree that the waiting list is very long, as I understand they told me their priniple is 有教無類, they will accept all types of students (of course they highlight students must have proficieny in English language because it is an UK stream school). So what you need to do is to apply (HK$2,000 application fee) and wait and no need for interview (but they need school report). Every year they will need you to pay HK$100 to keep the kid on the waiting list.

4. Good class of classmates - Also, I know many kids of top management people who are UK expatriates study there.

5. Additional language - French - to learn

Bad things about the school are:
1. Limited Mandarin learning (they did have, but very few per week)
2. Student T/O rate is high as they will leave when parents leave HK. (on the other hand is a good news if you are on waiting list)

Because of limited Chinese/Mandarin, I will only plan to send her to this school maybe in secondary school, which by that time, my kid will have good foundation of Chinese and I also hope the secondary school could be better developed at that time.

They welcome parents to do visit and to understand more by asking them questions, if you are interested, call them.

Do apply earlier so as to queue up in the waiting list ASAP is my suggestion if you want your kid to study there.

作者: wisekid2007 時間: 09-5-27 17:43

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作者: OKPLEASE 時間: 09-5-27 18:48

原帖由 wisekid2007 於 09-5-27 17:43 發表
I can say that you need to conduct more research before listening to the comments from those parents without sufficient sense of judgement.

By the way, GSIS doesn't particular like kids from SIS of c ...

I totally agree that everyone reading the post here should do research more themselves before trusting any parents who express views there, because no one knows which parents are those without sufficient sense of judgement and which parents gives constructive comments /suggestions or just throwing out non-constructive or discouraging ideas.

Regarding Kellett, I just want to give an alternative. If the kids are bright enough, needless to say, he/she should try to apply for selective school such as ESF and GSIS or other ISs. If not, moving towards non-selective schools is not a bad choice. Being “non-selective” does not necessarily mean the school is not good. We need to do visit, research and understand their principles/aims.

UK expatriates like to choose Kellett as Kellett is an UK international school (they use the name of “The British International School in Hong Kong”), where background of families are very similar (mostly from UK) and there is strong sense of UK culture surrounding the school and their end goal is going back to UK for continuous education. They trust the teaching principles and methods there. Of course, they are richer and can afford higher school fee. Why bother them to compete with others to get into the selective IS.

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作者: wisekid2007 時間: 09-6-27 15:20

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作者: nintendo 時間: 09-6-29 12:21

原帖由 OKPLEASE 於 09-5-27 18:48 發表

UK expatriates like to choose Kellett as Kellett is an UK international school (they use the name of “The British International School in Hong Kong”), where background of families are very similar (mostly from UK) and there is strong sense of UK culture surrounding the school and their end goal is going back to UK for continuous education. They trust the teaching principles and methods there. Of course, they are richer and can afford higher school fee. Why bother them to compete with others to get into the selective IS.

They chose Kellett because they have no other choices.
For example, ESF is always full and hard to get a place. Other international schools too. They have got long waiting list and most expats cannot afford to wait for even a few months like we do.
I do not know anyone personly from Kellett but just a couple of years ago when they did not have a secondary section yet, the primary graduates had to go around to look for schools.
I am not sure generally where everyone goes but I know that a lot of them failed to admission procedures with various ESF schools. Of course, some also went into ESF and other good international schools. But may be parents should consider why so many failed too.
I am just glad they have their one secondary school now.

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