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作者: nc2000 時間: 09-2-5 11:19 標題: speak cantonese at home but study in IS

Is you speak cantonese to your child and study in IS? I want to speak cantonese (my mother lang) to my son (21 months), cos I feel communicate with the child in mother lang much better and 親切窩心. But I also want he can speak fluent English, I want to send him to Int'l Kinder, however many IS request the child fluent in English and native speaker, how can I do, please help and share your experience. Many thanks.

作者: PurpleSea 時間: 09-2-5 11:23 標題: 回覆 # 的文章

I speak both to my girl and I let her to watch Disney channel in English.

作者: nc2000 時間: 09-2-5 12:20

Thanks for your sharing!

My boy is late talk, he understand our meanings but speaks serval wordings only. So, I'm afraid he speaks late & late when I talk to him in both language.

原帖由 PurpleSea 於 09-2-5 11:23 發表
I speak both to my girl and I let her to watch Disney channel in English.

作者: KaKaYa 時間: 09-2-5 13:36

It doesn't matter if you plan to Pre-school at international Kindergarten. But you may let him know how to interview (good English).
You may teach some words everydays/ reading the big book/ video/ TV. Disneyland channel is good but don't give him more half hour each time (Harmful to see TV - Shortsight).
Bye

原帖由 nc2000 於 09-2-5 11:19 發表
Is you speak cantonese to your child and study in IS? I want to speak cantonese (my mother lang) to my son (21 months), cos I feel communicate with the child in mother lang much better and 親切窩心. ...

作者: CindyMak 時間: 09-2-5 13:46

I talk with my son mainly in Cantonese.  But we read English book and watching English DVDs/CDs before he go to Nursery.  (Now we are reading Chinese book)

He was studying in a local school in N1 and now IS in K1.

I don't find big problem in his English after 1/2 year in kindy.  He can now comunicate with his friend in English using full sentance.  Of course, it is a bit difficult for him at the very beginning, since his English is limited.  So, when school started in Sept. I spend about 2 hours a day to talk with him in English.

I insist to talk with him in Cantonese because I want to be able to speak and read Chinese.

原帖由 nc2000 於 09-2-5 12:20 發表
Thanks for your sharing!

My boy is late talk, he understand our meanings but speaks serval wordings only. So, I'm afraid he speaks late & late when I talk to him in both language.

作者: PurpleSea 時間: 09-2-5 13:54 標題: 回覆 # 的文章

其實每樣嘢都要balance,我雖然想小朋友入international school, 但冇理由因為咁就吾同佢講中文. 有Ｄ讀international school 大的小朋友大大吓吾肯speak Chinese, 到時後悔就太遲. 我注重English多Ｄ但once佢入了international school, I will switch back 注重番多Ｄ中文

作者: Mighty 時間: 09-2-5 14:27

我自己就絶不賛成如父母２位都是土生土長的香港人、只同児女講英文。　　有時在街上聴到２個香港父母用港式英文同児女講、発音同文法都錯漏百出、実在毛管也動起。　這對２種語言発展都不好。　　如果要学港式英文、就不用上ＩＳ了。　　父母都否定自己本身語言、小朋友也不会尊重自己的母語的。

想学好就一定要同ＮＡＴＩＶＥ学。　　先打好自己母語底、再学其他也無問題的。

在家説母語、当然也可一起看外語ＣＡＲＴＯＯＮ，真的要学原汁英文、可去有ＮＡＴＩＶＥ老師的ＰＬＡＹＧＲＯＵＰ　ＯＲ　ＮＵＲＳＥＲＹ．

（純属個人意見、不喜請不用動気）

作者: almom 時間: 09-2-5 14:46

Many American or Canadian born Chinese are now spending more time on learning Chinese. Chinese is now a choice as a second language over there. Even western kids are learning. Just think about their competitiveness 10 years later. At RC, our head of language department Mr Brasher is in fact one of our Chinese teachers.

I do not know whether parents are aware, but most Indian or Japanese children in Hong Kong can speak Indian or Japanese as well. Just think about the popularity of the Indian or Japanese languages in Hong Kong. It must be hard for them to keep up with their languages but they can do it.

My experience is that, being able to speak Chinese would not make a child's English poor. At the same time, it would also not make your child's English better by avoiding Chinese at all.

I have lots of ABC friends that speak very good 台山話 or 福建話 at home with their parents. On the other hand, I have seen so many local Hong Kong kids that have been "trained" by parents to be complete (and only) English users, yet their English written and reading skills are not that fantastic.

Parents should not be too obsessed with the myth: that the by preventing the use of Chinese, your child will be good at English. Unfortunately, many children's language skills have indeed been limited by many parents.

Personal views only.

作者: edexp 時間: 09-2-5 14:49

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作者: KaKaYa 時間: 09-2-5 16:31

At parent day , the Class teacher told me my daughter learnt not many ....
From us , I always with her study reading books and to join any English course.
Why her teacher is said "you cannot a good English (First/Mum Tongue) language ....and only second language only. It make me unhappy.
Why she said like this! I doubt her reponsibilty at all and the Christian School.
And One more Case, the school teachers often isolation some ADHD's child at the corner and punish him! I really don't like them no take care him and only said "Anything can help????But his mum to need help, they only said to principle "why she always disturb the teacher?????"""

原帖由 almom 於 09-2-5 14:46 發表
Many American or Canadian born Chinese are now spending more time on learning Chinese. Chinese is now a choice as a second language over there. Even western kids are learning. Just think about their c ...

作者: nc2000 時間: 09-2-5 18:43

我當然好贊成你講法, 所以我至post呢個題目! 我同husband 係土生土長香港仔, 就係受過香港填鴨教育, 即使大學畢業生都係不太流利港式英語! 所以想小朋友讀開放式既教育-IS. 但我又注重小朋友既中文程度, 但英語又想佢無港式ascent, 所以請教各位如何定位!

我既理想做法係, 家人同小朋友講cantonese, 學校學到native english, 但怕唔同佢講又考唔到IS同埋即使入讀IS 佢又唔適應聽唔明!

我心儀ESF KINDER, 要考小朋友咩? 聽講如果小朋友識中文入讀ESF機會會低? 請問你地小朋友係讀邊間KINDER 呢? 謝

原帖由 Mighty 於 09-2-5 14:27 發表
我自己就絶不賛成如父母２位都是土生土長的香港人、只同児女講英文。　　有時在街上聴到２個香港父母用港式英文同児女講、発音同文法都錯漏百出、実在毛管也動起。　這對２種語言発展都不好。　　如果要学港式英文、就不用 ...

作者: nc2000 時間: 09-2-5 18:47

KAKAYA
Which school is your daughter study? The class teacher said that you cannot a good English language??? Oh GOD!

原帖由 KaKaYa 於 09-2-5 16:31 發表
At parent day , the Class teacher told me my daughter learnt not many ....
From us , I always with her study reading books and to join any English course.
Why her teacher is said "you cannot a good ...

[ 本帖最後由 nc2000 於 09-2-5 21:08 編輯 ]

作者: steamball 時間: 09-2-5 19:55

ESF kinder no interview at all,

作者: popolung 時間: 09-2-5 20:18

1. ESF Kinder doesn't need interview at all. If you and your kids hold overseas passport and birth certificate you will have priority.

2. I agree we need to teach kid chinese as we are all chinese. But to speak to them with Eng and watch eng tv is simply becuase some IS will need to interview your kid in pure English, and they need to know if your kid can understand english good enough to learn in P1 onward. I think you need to accept the rules of the game first, otherwise please don't consider IS as you may not be able to fulfil their min requirment.

3. Remember, the 1st priority student is expat, not local HK people. So if we want our kids to get in IS, like ESF, better you prepare them to soak in a at least 80-90% English environment

4. Of course, once your kid has a place in IS prmary school, switch them back to talk to them in Chinese, take them to have some more Chinese lesson. For ESF, you can do this switch at 4 which I think it is not too late.

Just my 2 cents. Remember, if you can't give a good Eng environment to your kid, or if you think you can't teach them good english, please re-consider actually what you need. You can't get the best of both sides, and you are hurting your children by giving them "semi-salty water" to drink. If your kid can't speak good english and got fail out from IS interview, can you (or your kid) afford to go back to local school and face the "Duck-feeding) kind of educational system?? Think Think!

作者: steamball 時間: 09-2-5 21:22

seems this year, oversea passport holder don't have any advantages......

作者: nc2000 時間: 09-2-5 21:34

why? Your kid study in ESF Kinder?

原帖由 steamball 於 09-2-5 21:22 發表
seems this year, oversea passport holder don't have any advantages......

作者: steamball 時間: 09-2-5 21:46

heard from others only, my daughter got an offer from WKS, still thinking worth to go or not, cuz my target is ESF primary, but her current kinder (Leapfrog ) also very good

作者: BabyMiMi 時間: 09-2-5 23:08

One of my friend' gal and my son do not hold any overseas passport but are accepted by ESF this yr. However, my another friend's son who holds an overseas passport is in the waiting list. So, I think overseas passport is not a must.

作者: popolung 時間: 09-2-5 23:21

原帖由 BabyMiMi 於 09-2-5 23:08 發表
One of my friend' gal and my son do not hold any overseas passport but are accepted by ESF this yr. However, my another friend's son who holds an overseas passport is in the waiting list. So, I thin ...

ESF Kinder or Primary you are talking about?

作者: KaKaYa 時間: 09-2-6 13:22 標題: international school's culture?the teacher suppose on time to go out ???

The teacher is very good English. But look like very nice but not willing to pay more time in after school.
She prefer the parent teach the children more....and no request from the parents...............

原帖由 nc2000 於 09-2-5 18:47 發表
KAKAYA
Which school is your daughter study? The class teacher said that you cannot a good English language??? Oh GOD!

作者: Ruby1219 時間: 09-2-7 22:49 標題: 回覆 # 的文章

I had the same 'methodology' as popolung.

My son is now in IS Year 4 already. Both me and my husband are home grown Hongkies. We speak fluent but not very good English. We talked to our son is English before he got into IS kindy. So did our Philipino maid. While, our relatives & friends spoke to him in Cantonese. Me and my husband talked to each other in Cantonese. I would say, at that time, my son's exposure to English and Cantonese would be about 90:10. He did not speak/ understand much Cantonese at that time.

Once he got into IS kindy. We switched to talk to him in Cantonese. While,he talks to our maid in English and he watches TV and read books in English mostly. Now, I think his exposure to English and Cantonese is about 70:30.

Now, his Cantonese is not perfect but fluent. Although he sometimes uses wrong words or grammar. While his english is very fluent with native ascent. Although his teacher said he's not as good as the foreign kids (of course!) but it's perfectly fine for his study in IS. And the teacher said it can be improved easily along time when he grows up with more practice.

Just my 2 cents and hope this would help.

Ruby

作者: popolung 時間: 09-2-7 23:37

原帖由 Ruby1219 於 09-2-7 22:49 發表
I had the same 'methodology' as popolung.

My son is now in IS Year 4 already. Both me and my husband are home grown Hongkies. We speak fluent but not very good English. We talked to our son is Engli ...

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Thanks for proving my concept to be right, as my daughter is only K2 now. Though she can speak not bad Cantonese now (but I think she can't read Chinese at all as I intentionally don't teach her now) but still 80-90% she is speaking English. Once Y1 interview process finish I will gradually switch back to more Chinese / Cantonese focus, and hope I can do it just like what you said.

作者: Ruby1219 時間: 09-2-8 11:47

popolung,

Wish you success!
Surely you will face difficulty and the process won't be smooth. The kids would hesitate to talk to you in Cantonese. I think English is much easier to master.
Besides talking to him in Cantonese, I also put him into extra curricular activities that teach in Cantonese, e.g. art, swimming etc. As he needs to socialize there, it would be a stronger motivation for him to talk to his peers in Cantonese.

Ruby

作者: popolung 時間: 09-2-8 12:53

原帖由 Ruby1219 於 09-2-8 11:47 發表
popolung,

Wish you success!
Surely you will face difficulty and the process won't be smooth. The kids would hesitate to talk to you in Cantonese. I think English is much easier to master.
Besides ...

actually she can now master Cantonese quite well, but I guess the most difficult part is read and then write....... right?

Anyway this is what we choose and hope will not be too hard to do it. Thanks again!

作者: 小謙伯伯 時間: 09-2-8 13:51

很多家長只知道母語對外語學習的負面影響，因而著力於用各種方法維護孩子學英語的環境和純正性。他們忽略了母語其實也可以正面的幫助孩子(乃至成人)的外語學習。

小謙正式返學已一年多，現在是K1，他爸爸和媽媽都會英語，但除了看書時間沒有特別跟孩子用英語談話，家傭也說本地話，不說英語。由於小謙對天文學特有興趣，而天文學的書本和網上知識都以英文的比較多，所以可以說這年他的學科知識主要是從英語來的，但我們當然沒可能全用英語教他，都是用粵語講解，而用英語說那些專門名詞。如果是普通一些的名詞(如太陽系的行星)，則會同時以粵語和普通話加說。這樣學習讓小孩子學會了很多我們從前到中學才會的英文字，例如gravity, atmosphere, orbit, galaxy, universe 等。簡單的 phrases 他也可以重覆來說(但自由造句則還未可以)，例如他曾經在昇降機內突然問我，"伯伯，Mercury 係咪 the first planet from the sun 呀？" 嚇得昇降機內的另一個伯伯 literally taken aback。有時我想，如果因循著學英文一定要全用英語來教，這年來大概我們只能夠跟他簡簡單單地講下bedside story 吧。

作者: JYFC 時間: 09-2-8 16:16

My daughter & myself both have oversea passport.

Originally I thought she was in Category 1 that's why she got accepted by ESF kinders. Since ESF kinders do not have interview, I suppose we may have advantage with the oversea passport & attending IS nursery.

Before we submitted the application for ESF primary, I just ask her teacher out of curiosity which category is she in? To my surprise, she is in category 2. May be they will assess the child when they are in school. My daughter obviously speak both eng & cantonese in class so that's why she is in category 2.

The oversea passport won't help you much with the priority. it is the English levels that matters & for details pls check out the esf website.

原帖由 BabyMiMi 於 09-2-5 23:08 發表
One of my friend' gal and my son do not hold any overseas passport but are accepted by ESF this yr. However, my another friend's son who holds an overseas passport is in the waiting list. So, I thin ...

作者: wcllks 時間: 09-2-10 22:34

popolung and Ruby,

I also adopt the same "methodology." My kid is now in ESF primary. If I had to make a choice, I would make the same one

My daughter can speak both English and Cantonese fluently now. She fix my pronunciations sometimes. I remember one time I said "pyjama" (without the ending 's') and then my girl replied, "pyjamas, with an 's'." Of course, it is really true that we need to work hard on promoting writing and reading Chinese at home.

作者: popolung 時間: 09-2-10 23:29

原帖由 wcllks 於 09-2-10 22:34 發表
popolung and Ruby,

I also adopt the same "methodology." My kid is now in ESF primary. If I had to make a choice, I would make the same one

My daughter can speak both English and Cantonese fluen ...

Yes, my daughter in K2 already "fix" my pronouncation too, and will try my best to start to teach her better Chinese, though not easy.

Today I started "testing water" by asking her: "later on I willl take you to learn more Chinese as it is a lot of fun" and you know what she said: "hmmm, better not"......

So it is a no easy path, but I will try my best, but at the same time, I will not push. Just try to make it happen, naturally! Once they really find sometimes fun in Chinese they will stick their head there sooner or later. I still think for us in HK it is easier to teach them Chinese ourselves than teach them English, at least we can read and write better.

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