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標題: Wah Yan VS St.Paul [打印本頁]
作者: HKBEE 時間: 08-11-25 10:02 標題: Wah Yan VS St.Paul
How to choice?
作者: mamay 時間: 08-11-25 10:13
原帖由 HKBEE 於 08-11-25 10:02 發表 
How to choice?
St. Paul Boy?
Wah Yan is free of charge but only 60% can enter primary school and also more famous. I like their way of education which is more active while St. Paul Boy is more traditional.
However, St Paul Boy can almost guarntee you can enter their secondary school.
For me, I like Wah Yan but I hate the hussel to search, apply and wait for the result of secondary school. But Wah Yan is so famous that I guess majority of secondary school will accept you.
It is hard to make a choice.
作者: HKBEE 時間: 08-11-25 13:27
Thank you so much for your comments!
By someone news at baby kingdom,
the student of Wah Yan secondary school is
not so good Now, no only HKCEE result, Is it true?
for future, Will Wah Yan secondary school change to small size class, 30students for 4class? When?
base on their web information, at 2006, they have 107 go to seondary school, and 15 go to another english school, so remain 48 go to another, Do you know which school? Sorry! I have many many question?
原帖由 mamay 於 08-11-25 10:13 發表
St. Paul Boy?
Wah Yan is free of charge but only 60% can enter primary school and also more famous. I like their way of education which is more active while St. Paul Boy is more traditional.
Howe ...
作者: andrewpapa 時間: 08-11-25 15:16
why worry secondary standard for the moment?
You get good use of these 6 years, you can apply any secondary school you like la
If concern about $$, Wah Yan is free and St Paul's is DSS., Both in HK island, Wah Yan lor
If concern about the trouble of applying secondary school, St Paul lor. Coz you hold one ear of St paul and can go to search for another ar ma.
作者: avbee 時間: 08-11-25 15:23
actually all the st paul's in Hong Kong are not bad....they are all top ranking and high average score
you won't get wrong if you choose st paul
Ying Wa is very good too
作者: HKBEE 時間: 08-11-25 20:57
Thank you so much for your information!
How about the level of Wah Yan?
Is it many test and Exam?
By my mind, it is happy primary school.
原帖由 avbee 於 08-11-25 15:23 發表
actually all the st paul's in Hong Kong are not bad....they are all top ranking and high average score
you won't get wrong if you choose st paul
Ying Wa is very good too
作者: HKBEE 時間: 08-11-26 13:59
Anyone can share Wah Yan information?
原帖由 HKBEE 於 08-11-25 20:57 發表
Thank you so much for your information!
How about the level of Wah Yan?
Is it many test and Exam?
By my mind, it is happy primary school.
作者: kittifly 時間: 08-11-26 15:06
i'm not sure about the comparison of the primary sections. however, wah yan secondary school is surely academically better than that of st. paul boys. wah yan secondary is a top tier band one school and i will choose wah yan of course.
作者: HKBEE 時間: 08-11-26 17:39
Thank you so much!
原帖由 kittifly 於 08-11-26 15:06 發表
i'm not sure about the comparison of the primary sections. however, wah yan secondary school is surely academically better than that of st. paul boys. wah yan secondary is a top tier band one school ...
作者: avbee 時間: 08-11-27 00:37
all st paul are good and top ranking...
作者: kittifly 時間: 08-11-27 14:46
don't confused with st. paul's co-ed. it's the top ranking one, not st paul boys!!
作者: andrewpapa 時間: 08-11-27 15:27
To Kittifly,
how can you define what is top tier band one?
For you info, there are four schools carry "st Paul's". I think avbee is going to say these four schools are also good schools.
作者: kittifly 時間: 08-11-27 16:45
academically, st paul's co-ed and st. paul's convent are known to be good schools; whereas st paul boys' and st paul's secondary (primary division) are just ok.
[ 本帖最後由 kittifly 於 08-11-27 16:54 編輯 ]
作者: andrewpapa 時間: 08-11-27 16:53
Could you share the list, i really want to have a copy
作者: ladykin 時間: 08-11-27 16:57
請問 15 分有冇可能入到華仁呢 
作者: 麟媽媽 時間: 08-11-27 17:19
過往五年未有人可以手持15分係自行分配階段入到，
不過如果你住12網，可以第二輪再試既。
原帖由 ladykin 於 08-11-27 16:57 發表
請問 15 分有冇可能入到華仁呢
作者: ladykin 時間: 08-11-27 17:28
原帖由 麟媽媽 於 08-11-27 17:19 發表
過往五年未有人可以手持15分係自行分配階段入到，
不過如果你住12網，可以第二輪再試既。
咁如果 12網加上 15分, 機會如何呢? (我出年要報啦)
作者: 麟媽媽 時間: 08-11-27 17:33
無關係，因為二輪只睇住址，
唔會理你有幾多分，
你只得用住址大抽獎既機會，
首輪15分機會近乎零。:cry:
原帖由 ladykin 於 08-11-27 17:28 發表
咁如果 12網加上 15分, 機會如何呢? (我出年要報啦)
作者: ladykin 時間: 08-11-27 17:34
原帖由 麟媽媽 於 08-11-27 17:33 發表
無關係，因為二輪只睇住址，
唔會理你有幾多分，
你只得用住址大抽獎既機會，
首輪15分機會近乎零。:cry:
咁咪好渺茫 
又要再諗過 
作者: 麟媽媽 時間: 08-11-27 17:36
報華仁真係好渺茫既，
因為一晝只得兩班，每班得30個位，
以前40人一班都話多d 位，
而家真係好難，好多舊生都入唔到。
原帖由 ladykin 於 08-11-27 17:34 發表
咁咪好渺茫 又要再諗過
作者: balabala 時間: 08-11-27 17:37
原帖由 ladykin 於 08-11-27 17:28 發表
咁如果 12網加上 15分, 機會如何呢? (我出年要報啦)
No chance in the first round !!
In the second round, arround 70% of the candidates can get their first few choices. If you put Wah Yan/St Joe as your 1st choice (most normal cadidate will do so), I would say, you will have a 40% chance. However, the consequences of failure might end up assigning you to the like of "Tai Hang Lee Sing". One heaven and one Hell, Bet or no bet ???
作者: 麟媽媽 時間: 08-11-27 17:48
40%？樂觀左d 喎？！
係二輪華仁每晝只得30個學額，
點止75人選華仁，
自行分配每晝都過二百個申請喎..... 
原帖由 balabala 於 08-11-27 17:37 發表
No chance in the first round !!
In the second round, arround 70% of the candidates can get their first few choices. If you put Wah Yan/St Joe as your 1st choice (most normal cadidate will do so), ...
作者: HoHoMom 時間: 08-11-27 22:49
I would choose St Paul Boys without any hesitation. it's a no brainer to me.
作者: wlmom 時間: 08-12-1 14:44
i'll choose wah yan no doubt. based on my discussions with many friends, in our minds the top schools are st paul's co-ed, dbs & la salle. wah yan is following these schools and st paul boys' is among the second tier ones.
作者: balabala 時間: 08-12-1 16:37
原帖由 麟媽媽 於 08-11-27 17:48 發表
40%？樂觀左d 喎？！
係二輪華仁每晝只得30個學額，
點止75人選華仁，
自行分配每晝都過二百個申請喎.....
For those who will enter the lucky draw would most probably have submitted their forms during the 1st stage no matter how many points they have in order to be qualify for "knocking the door" stage.
Out of the 200 applicants, some of which are not living in Net 12 and will disappeared in the "lucky draw" stage. How many? I don't know. It will then not be unreasonable if the remaining number of applicants is really 75 or so.
Based on past experience, the hit rate is quite high and the estimation could be realistic.
But as I said, it is not a question of how easy of being sucess, it is a question of the consequence of failure.
What do you say?
作者: storyteller 時間: 08-12-1 22:47
The topic is likely to change to the technique of fill in the blank on the from of lucky draw!
If you realy like Wa Yan, what is the next second and third choose we need to choose! otherwise the unexpect result will happen in front of you!
Am i right?
Who want to open this topic?
This is a very very serious process if we haven't back up!
原帖由 balabala 於 08-12-1 16:37 發表
For those who will enter the lucky draw would most probably have submitted their forms during the 1st stage no matter how many points they have in order to be qualify for "knocking the door" stage. ...
作者: jbettis32 時間: 08-12-4 17:13
一定選st paul boys, 唔駛再煩到下年6月既第二rd~~~ 
學術上我都認為sp boys好d~~~
作者: HoHoMom 時間: 08-12-4 20:33
Is there a list of some sort where we can see the tiering ?
I happen to know quite a number of WY and St Paul boys and am able to see the difference in person. My vote goes to St. Paul Boys. WY is also fine but not just as good.
原帖由 wlmom 於 08-12-1 14:44 發表
i'll choose wah yan no doubt. based on my discussions with many friends, in our minds the top schools are st paul's co-ed, dbs & la salle. wah yan is following these schools and st paul boys' is amo ...
作者: wlmom 時間: 08-12-5 11:53
we cannot judge which school is better just by the few people you know. i just never heard that there are any 10As or 9As HKCEE graduates from st. paul boys, but there are tons in wah yan.
作者: kittifly 時間: 08-12-5 11:57
Traditionally, Wah Yan is a better and more famous school than St Paul Boys', that's for sure. But honestly, it's difficult to compare the individual students' results just by the limited no. of people you know.
作者: hogwarts 時間: 08-12-5 12:24 標題: 回覆 # 的文章
"i just never heard that there are any 10As or 9As HKCEE graduates from st. paul boys, but there are tons in wah yan."
SPC never encourages her students to take 9 or 10 subjects in HKCEE. It's not strange that you never heard of that.
There are TONS of 10As or 9As in wah yan - can you share the statistics with us....Thanks.
作者: wlmom 時間: 08-12-5 14:32
it's just from memory on what i read from the news. there are lots of nine/ten "A"s students from wah yan, la salle, queen's, etc. i don't think anyone will disagree with that.
i was quite shocked that st. paul boys doesn't encourage their students to take 9 or 10 subjects these days. it's very common to take 9 subjects twenty years ago already (and i took 10!).
作者: chunchunmommy 時間: 08-12-5 15:10
I think it's very unfair to compare the schools just based on how many "Nine/ Ten "A"s students" are from that school?
For me, I think this just proved that that particular student can do well in the "exam" game.
Does it mean that schools encourage her students to take 9 or 10 subjects equivalent to good schools?
It's better to give more substantial reasons when you say A school is better than B school.
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作者: HKBEE 時間: 08-12-5 15:27
Sorry! Do you know english level of Wah Yan primary school? Is it use phonic to teach english? How about Chinese?
作者: HuiTung 時間: 08-12-5 16:49
原帖由 chunchunmommy 於 08-12-5 15:10 發表
I think it's very unfair to compare the schools just based on how many "Nine/ Ten "A"s students" are from that school?
For me, I think this just proved that that particular student can do well in the ...
Well said, chunchunmommy. Look at those popular tutorial centres. I wonder they were just producing taking As students in the exam, but not really educating them.
[ 本帖最後由 HuiTung 於 08-12-5 16:51 編輯 ]
作者: wlmom 時間: 08-12-5 16:51
I believe that the academic results of a school is one of the most important criteria to determine if it's a good school. HKCEE results serve as a good benchmark as they are uniform exams amongst all the students in HK. Of course one can argue that it's more important that the students could study more happily and have less pressure. that's another thought.
原帖由 chunchunmommy 於 08-12-5 15:10 發表
I think it's very unfair to compare the schools just based on how many "Nine/ Ten "A"s students" are from that school?
For me, I think this just proved that that particular student can do well in the ...
作者: HKBEE 時間: 08-12-5 21:46
Please come back to talk primary school thing!
作者: storyteller 時間: 08-12-5 21:55
Should you confirm the seat o tomorrow?
If Wah Yan is already provide a seat, of course Wah Yan, save the school fee!
If not, of course st paul!
If you give up St paul, it is not easy entry the lucky draw to seat from Wah Yan.
原帖由 HKBEE 於 08-12-5 21:46 發表
Please come back to talk primary school thing!
作者: chunchunmommy 時間: 08-12-6 00:10
I think you have to listed out your criteria in the course of making a decision.
Do you mind paying the school fee?
Do you prefer whole day or half day school?
It's not just comparing which school is better but which school is most suitable for your boy.
Even if it's the best school in twon, it may not be the best school for your boy.
Quoted from other BK parents, no matter which school you have chosen, it's only an entry ticket.
We still have a long way to go!
Hope you can finally choose the most suitable school for your little prince!
原帖由 HKBEE 於 08-12-5 21:46 發表
Please come back to talk primary school thing!
[ 本帖最後由 chunchunmommy 於 08-12-6 00:43 編輯 ]
作者: puzzledmama 時間: 08-12-6 00:45
La Salle or DBS......
St Jo or Wah Yan......
Maryknoll or DGS......
King's or Queen's.......
St Paul's Convent or Marymount....
St Catherine or Kentville....
Just never-ending debates years after years!!
I wish that one day ALL OF US could have hot debate again over ...
OXFORD OR CAMBRIDGE.....
STANFORD OR YALE....
作者: hogwarts 時間: 08-12-6 04:01
Hi puzzledmama,
Can't sleep and thank you for yr god-sent goooood dream.
Talking about Uuuuuu, if our fellow parents don't mind childish stuff, I recommend a Jap comic 東大特訓班 for yr Christmas reading.
22 volumes of fun & tips about how getting into the topppppppest U in Japan, a good dream/treat in Christmas under the never-ending financial tsunami.
作者: puzzledmama 時間: 08-12-7 00:36
Hi hogwarts,
Really has such comic stuff? I am eager to read!!
Anyway, all parents are respectable and lovely! After all, just relax and sit back la....
I mean it, I am really eager to discuss with u all whether Oxford or Cambridge is better one day...
:;pppp:
[ 本帖最後由 puzzledmama 於 08-12-7 00:37 編輯 ]
作者: hogwarts 時間: 08-12-7 07:59
Dear Puzzledmama,
Ah!!! Oxbridge. It really depends on which benchmark........ the Boat Race or how many Tory MPs.
It is Cambridge, my choice. Please start to point out why Oxford is a better one.
It is really good fun to have u as our fellow bloggers.
東大特訓班 is a huge success in Japan. This comic series demonstrated how band 3 尾 students can use only one year to get admission by the University of Tokyo. The success rate of the method is 50% in the comic. Better than most of the Band 1 schools la, so very sad news for most of us. 
One good quote from 東大特訓班: "Getting into the U of T, is only a train ticket, a "GOLD TICKET", but what will happen next in your life, is still depending on yr own effort."
Also, there is a TV series but I love the comic books more. In all respectable book shops in Japan, you can find not only the comic series but also many learning aids for U exams developed from it.
Yes, with yr kind encouragement, I should start giving my kid hard time because of my choice of the Oxbridge or should I wait for the very last year by using the 東大 short cut method????
Your advice is much needed.
Yours,
hogwarts
[ 本帖最後由 hogwarts 於 08-12-7 08:00 編輯 ]
作者: puzzledmama 時間: 08-12-8 00:02
Hogwarts,
My key to Oxbridge, is just to develop my kid having a sense of humour to face the absurdness in this society!
So sad to say, primary school has already become a battlefield for most of the classmates and parents. The very first thing I 'd like to train my kid who is now P.1, is how to become a wiser kid, not a 100-score student of Wan Yan or St Paul Boys!
作者: HoHoMom 時間: 08-12-8 10:53
So according to this logic, it's obviously ok to you to judge a school by reading from news papers and knowing from memory about a few 10As/9As students.......um.....And how many students make a ton ?
原帖由 wlmom 於 08-12-5 11:53 發表
we cannot judge which school is better just by the few people you know. i just never heard that there are any 10As or 9As HKCEE graduates from st. paul boys, but there are tons in wah yan.
作者: HoHoMom 時間: 08-12-8 10:55
原帖由 puzzledmama 於 08-12-6 00:45 發表
La Salle or DBS......
St Jo or Wah Yan......
Maryknoll or DGS......
King's or Queen's.......
St Paul's Convent or Marymount....
St Catherine or Kentville....
Just never-ending debates years after yea ...
作者: flostangraphy 時間: 08-12-8 11:01
dear 10As mom,
i'm just curious to know if you have put any special effort to get these 10As?!!? or you are just specially smart?!?!
with respect and no offense to anyone. just wonder if a kid could make 10As with a simple life which a happy childhood should be, play and work balanced!
it's actually an important factor for me to choose the primary school for my kids. i really would like to know if any school would fix a quota to students how many A they have to make...
for sure that academic result for sure is important, but for me, i would rather my kids have 9Bs than 10As if they are happier during the school life, they don't need to spend the whole time stick on the home works and have more time to spend with us, to communicate with people, to make friends, to have their own hobbits, to develop their own personality...
i agree that nowadays the hkcee result can help in real life, however, so as the emotional quality (EQ) development.
you can be a 10As and get a good job easily. you also can be an active, good temple, creative, open mind, brave to face risk and failure, and well organized leader to hire 10As to work for you...
does anyone knows such school which i could apply for my elder son next year?!?!
thanks a lot in advance!!!!
作者: wlmom 時間: 08-12-8 11:52
Dear HoHoMom,
The information from newspapers that many 10As students from a particular school is for reference only. Of course it's NOT the ONLY one thing I consider. And of course I haven't counted how many students (to make a "ton" on my mind), do you think I am nuts??? i am wondering if anyone would disagree that there were really quite a lot of 9As or 10As students from Wah Yan previously.
I think every one has a right to think which school is better. pls remember this is just a discussion forum and don't take it so seriously. your or my opinion won't change the fact or others' opinion on which school is better.
原帖由 HoHoMom 於 08-12-8 10:53 發表
So according to this logic, it's obviously ok to you to judge a school by reading from news papers and knowing from memory about a few 10As/9As students.......um.....And how many students make a ton ? ...
作者: wlmom 時間: 08-12-8 12:08
HKBEE,
just wondering which school you have picked finally.
作者: HKBEE 時間: 08-12-8 15:01
Wl Mom,
Thank you for many comments!
I select Wah Yan for my son already,
My selection is base on following point:
1) School culture and History
2) How many student per class
3) The quality of Teacher
4) Secondary school support
5) School Exam
6) What expectation for my son
7) School fee
Result:
1) History and Culture is very similar, good school.
St. Paul is smart Boy, Wah Yan is loyal boy.
2) 2008, Wah Yan become 30 student per class,
so, no different.
3) By my visit, the teacher at St. Paul is OK,
from comments, Wah Yan Teacher is very good(with love for all student).
4) Secondary school support, St. Paul is about 9X%, or close to 100% direct to secondary school, but Wah Yan is about 75% direct to secondary school (by 2006 data).
5) School Exam, St. Paul have so many student go to English Top U, and Wah Yan have 10A, (but may not come from Primary school).
6) My expectation for my son is loyal and obey boy.
7) School Fee at St Paul Secondary school may become big impact.
作者: wlmom 時間: 08-12-8 16:39
HKBEE,
Good choice!
作者: HoHoMom 時間: 08-12-8 18:20
hmm..... talking about taking this discussion so seriously.....
原帖由 wlmom 於 08-12-8 11:52 發表
Dear HoHoMom,
The information from newspapers that many 10As students from a particular school is for reference only. Of course it's NOT the ONLY one thing I consider. And of course I haven't count ...
作者: hogwarts 時間: 08-12-8 22:08
Hi Puzzledmama,
Don't worry, the probability to have 10As is very slim, no matter it is WY or SPC. However, young men from both schools can be very humorous and thankful behind the backs of their parents.
sample from WY
http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=tGZIf70W4Rc
sample from SPC
http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=1BIXq8J_Sss
They might not have many As, but they must be very good young men.
If using these two film clips as benchmark, even as a SPCPS parent, I must say WY is the winner.
[ 本帖最後由 hogwarts 於 08-12-8 22:25 編輯 ]
作者: puzzledmama 時間: 08-12-8 22:33
Agreed!
原帖由 hogwarts 於 08-12-8 22:08 發表
Hi Puzzledmama,
Don't worry, the probability to have 10As is very slim, no matter it is WY or SPC. However, young men from both schools can be very humorous and thankful behind the backs of their pa ...
作者: hogwarts 時間: 08-12-8 23:53 標題: wikipedia 上的 "東大特訓班" entry
Hi Puzzledmama,
For yr reference:
http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E6%9D%B1%E5%A4%A7%E7%89%B9%E8%A8%93%E7%8F%AD
作者: HuiTung 時間: 08-12-9 13:20 標題: 回覆 # 的文章
hogwart,
Believe it or. I had thought of this comics when I was writing in this thread. Unfortunately I have watched the TV series only ....
作者: hogwarts 時間: 08-12-9 19:54
Hui Tung,
You must read the books in this holiday and some tips are even good for PS students as well, i.e. memory tree.
Both book's and TV's endings are touching. The poor boy in TV gave up the offer of UT but worked in construction site to prepare for legal exam. The girl in the book can get into the UT and have a gold ticket for life.
Yes, 天道会酬勤！
作者: puzzledmama 時間: 08-12-9 23:18
Many thanks to you hogwarts. I am very interested to read this comics!
作者: HuiTung 時間: 08-12-10 10:29
原帖由 hogwarts 於 08-12-9 19:54 發表
Hui Tung,
You must read the books in this holiday and some tips are even good for PS students as well, i.e. memory tree.
Both book's and TV's endings are touching. The poor boy in TV gave up the of ...
Oh oh .... I'm so eager to read the original ...
Unfortunately my boy doesn't like eating sardines ....
作者: steven819 時間: 08-12-10 18:57
It's because St Paul boy do not allow students to take 9 subjects in HKCEE since 27 years ago. Before that they have rank no.1 student (either 9A or 8A1B, in those days 'A' were more difficult to get) in HKCEE nearly every years.
I think that only those schools who are not in the top rank will force their students to get more 'A' s in public examinations. Actually, you can get the 'style' of the school from the performance of their alumni. Nowaday, you can check it easily in Wikipedia
http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E8%81%96%E4%BF%9D%E7%BE%85%E6%9B%B8%E9%99%A2
原帖由 wlmom 於 08-12-5 11:53 發表
we cannot judge which school is better just by the few people you know. i just never heard that there are any 10As or 9As HKCEE graduates from st. paul boys, but there are tons in wah yan.
作者: hogwarts 時間: 08-12-10 23:16
Hui Tung,
Sardines???? Too much bones.
Hi Steven819,
Whether a school can still be "labelled" as good school, really depends on the current performance. History, in many people's eyes, is the "past", and should not be proud of. The boys, who are currently studying in SPC, will determine the future "brand" value of the SPC.
I trust you are the old boy of SPC, so as a parent of SPCPS' boy, I promise u to drive my kid hard to live up with the name. In exchange, please give generiously to the new primary school fundraising campaign. 
Yours,
The self-appointed SPCPS fundraiser
[ 本帖最後由 hogwarts 於 08-12-10 23:19 編輯 ]
作者: andrewpapa 時間: 08-12-11 00:14
haha, i like this,
i will push my son too to lift up our reputation. in my time, we are the top top supplier for med schools
作者: wlmom 時間: 08-12-11 10:24
no wonder so many supporters for st paul boys la. old boys...
it's also the first time i heard that the history of a school should not be proud of. nothing to say la...
作者: HoHoMom 時間: 08-12-11 11:23
According to your kind of logic again, only old boys can be supporters and a few 10As make a good school. Well...
Where did you hear that "the history of a school should not be proud of " ? I read the entire thread again and can't seem to find anything you were referring to. Please enlighten us.
原帖由 wlmom 於 08-12-11 10:24 發表
no wonder so many supporters for st paul boys la. old boys...
it's also the first time i heard that the history of a school should not be proud of. nothing to say la...
作者: chunchunmommy 時間: 08-12-11 11:28
Yes. My hb's cousin is in HKU Medi.
He said there are quite a few of his classmates are from St Paul Boy.
原帖由 andrewpapa 於 08-12-11 00:14 發表
haha, i like this,
i will push my son too to lift up our reputation. in my time, we are the top top supplier for med schools
作者: wlmom 時間: 08-12-11 11:52
from the quotes of hogwarts:
"History, in many people's eyes, is the "past", and should not be proud of."
You don't need any enlightening from me. Pls just open your eyes and read more carefully.
btw, i couldn't find any good reasons to support st paul boys is a better school, other than no pressure la, study happily la, no 10As la,... ok, then with these qualities, st paul boys could be a good school as parents would not have much pressure and can live happily ever after.
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作者: bobbbby 時間: 08-12-11 12:13
如果仍然只係由父母去討論讀大學o既問題，我反而覺得有啲擔心，我聽過有人帶埋媽媽去大學面試／見工~~~
我記得當年都係自己一手一腳揀中學~~~
原帖由 puzzledmama 於 08-12-6 00:45 發表
I wish that one day ALL OF US could have hot debate again over ...
OXFORD OR CAMBRIDGE.....
STANFORD OR YALE....
作者: andrewpapa 時間: 08-12-11 12:48
Dear wlmom
thanks for your comment.
Wah Yan is the best. thank you.
But I don't think St Paul's Boy is nothing more than a happy school. If you or your family ever have a chance to study in this school, you should experience more.
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Agree that Paul boy has bad branches, but so do many schools, even Wah Yan.
about As:
I recall my story. what i want to say is "10As from individual student does not mean the standard of the whole school"
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I think this endless debate is not fair to both schools, especially those hard working students
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作者: bobbbby 時間: 08-12-11 13:14
用咁o既例子去比較兩間學校，非常之唔公平，任何一間學校都有成績叻學生同成績差學生，我同一屆畢業o既同學，都有差天共地o既際遇~~~
原帖由 andrewpapa 於 08-12-11 12:48 發表
Agree that Paul boy has bad branches, but so do many schools, even Wah Yan. I have a relative same age as mine from Wah Yan. He is only posted as a clerical post till now.
作者: HKBEE 時間: 08-12-11 13:46
Please foucs student performance, teacher quality and school ethos!
Don't just compare 10A or 9A of HKCEE?
作者: 麟媽媽 時間: 08-12-11 13:47
其實有咩好爭辯？
你問我，華仁一班40人，
有d 細路仔六年都好開心既，
有d 細路係唔覺得太開心既，
相信咁既情況係Paul's Boys 一樣有，
至緊要睇間學校適唔適合你個仔囉！
講有幾多個10As8As都無意思既，
係唔係自己個仔入左就會10As 先？
各位家長要知既係學校既教學模式，
校風、程度、升中情況之類咁吖嘛。
我個人好鐘意華仁既校風，
學生之間很友愛，但d 仔有時都頑皮架！
小學階段我覺得學術唔係全部，
我更看重品德操行，呢樣華小比到我囉。
作者: chunchunmommy 時間: 08-12-11 14:29
I think hogwarts wants to say that "我唔應該只沉醉於昔日的光輝.而要努力向前!"
Also, what s/he mentioned was "In many ppl eyes, the history is a "past", should not be proud of." which I think it's quite true that most ppl would argue in this way. 請不要扭曲別人的話!
I'm so glad to see that there is a group of SPCPS parents/ SPC old boys who strive their best to help building up the reputation of the school.
Hooray!
A good school can't stand on her own but needs good parents to support.
原帖由 wlmom 於 08-12-11 10:24 發表
no wonder so many supporters for st paul boys la. old boys...
it's also the first time i heard that the history of a school should not be proud of. nothing to say la...
作者: andrewpapa 時間: 08-12-11 14:54
to bobbbby
agree you point. and yours view is the same as mine if you read all my other posts.
I am just using an extreme example only. Sorry to offence. But i have to clarify that my relative is a good man at all.
作者: HuiTung 時間: 08-12-11 15:06 標題: 回覆 # 的文章
Lun ma,
萬料不到會係呢d topic 同你chat. 我很同意你的說話; 對我, 也可以用在Paul Boy上, 只是有些人說的話實在太偏埋一面, 還扭曲別人的話, 好好笑.
作者: bobbbby 時間: 08-12-11 15:43
明白到自己母校受到批評會感覺難受，但係名校聲譽係建基於學校本身／學生成績（學術同非學術）／畢業生成就，並唔係踩低其他名校去抬高自己~~~
原帖由 andrewpapa 於 08-12-11 14:54 發表
to bobbbby
agree you point. and yours view is the same as mine if you read all my other posts.
I am just using an extreme example only. Sorry to offence. But i have to clarify that my relative is ...
作者: 麟媽媽 時間: 08-12-11 15:49
HuiTung，你好嗎？ 
唉…有親「華仁 vs 任何學校」我都少參與的，
你知啦，呢d topic 好鬼惹火，
大家點對點理性討論最好喇，
但有時唔係架嘛…我好怕既。
其實Paul’s Boys 係咪活動教學架？
如果係，華仁同Paul’s Boys 都難作比較啦！
華仁傳統教學，大家方針都唔同啦，
有人受傳統，有人唔受得，
亞A 既靈藥，可能係亞B 既毒藥。
原帖由 HuiTung 於 08-12-11 15:06 發表
Lun ma,
萬料不到會係呢d topic 同你chat. 我很同意你的說話; 對我, 也可以用在Paul Boy上, 只是有些人說的話實在太偏埋一面, 還扭曲別人的話, 好好笑.
作者: wlmom 時間: 08-12-11 16:01
Andrewpapa,
Don't take me wrong. I am not a fan of Wah Yan. I even think that the impression of its students to me are more "book worm" type and not active enough. I just prefer wah yan over st paul boys based on my interpretation of their performance academically. that's it. i just wish you could provide me with some factual reasonings to convince me that st paul boys is better, not just some subjective comments made on your mother school.
HoHoMum,
with you saying that just "a few" 10As from wah yan, it also seems quite unfair to those students and the school. Do you think it's so easy to get 10As?? It's very different studying 10 subjects vs. 8. I tried it before. I studied 10 and then dropped one out. it's a lot easier. i can imagine if i only have 8 subjects.
the fact is st paul boys has none 9 or 10As students in history.
besides, one could get 8As doesn't also mean one could also get 10As.
my point is comparing academic results. not being a better person, happy or not happy etc. you may debate on these points but academic results are facts.
what took me to this thread was that i just don't understand why people nowadays are comparing these two schools, or like ying wah vs. dbs etc. Maybe my thoughts are just too traditional and are only addicted to the old traditional famous schools.
thanks all for reading my comments. ha ha
原帖由 andrewpapa 於 08-12-11 12:48 發表
Dear wlmom
thanks for your comment.
Wah Yan is the best. thank you.
But I don't think St Paul's Boy is nothing more than a happy school. If you or your family ever have a chance to study in this s ...
[ 本帖最後由 wlmom 於 08-12-11 16:34 編輯 ]
作者: andrewpapa 時間: 08-12-11 16:45
Sorry wlmom
don't make me wrong, I am not trying to convince you. I am saying that Paul boys is not a school with your comment "...no pressure and happy school and no 10As...."
your statement is not friendly at all. If you don't know much about Paul boys, please take away this comment. if you were a parent of paul boys, then sorry for my impolite.
原帖由 wlmom 於 08-12-11 11:52 發表
btw, i couldn't find any good reasons to support st paul boys is a better school, other than no pressure la, study happily la, no 10As la,... ok, then with these qualities, st paul boys could be a good school as parents would not have much pressure and can live happily ever after.
...
作者: HuiTung 時間: 08-12-11 16:53
原帖由 麟媽媽 於 08-12-11 15:49 發表
HuiTung，你好嗎？
唉…有親「華仁 vs 任何學校」我都少參與的，
你知啦，呢d topic 好鬼惹火，
大家點對點理性討論最好喇，
但有時唔係架嘛…我好怕既。
其實Paul’s Boys 係咪活動教學架？
如果係，華仁同Paul’s Boys 都 ...
Lun ma,
都係傳統架! 上年有位朋友又係抽倒WY到同考倒SPCPS, 家住渣X山, 對佢, 兩校之分別只有半日同全日之分別 …..
我係BK咁耐, 關於學校的討論一路都係咁低調, 今年唔知點解咁惹火, 真係唔知好定壞?
不過好慶幸學校有很多sensible的家長.
作者: wlmom 時間: 08-12-11 17:45
andrewpapa,
i also apologize if i had offenced you or your mother school with my comments. not being a parent of either of these schools, i just voiced out my thoughts straightly. of course st paul boys is not a bad school la. i admit that its standards are improving over the years.
well, everybody has their preferences and even someone in BK could give up la salle for ying wah. it's not bad in debating. at least it helps me to understand now that the st paul old boys are so faithful to their mother school. : )
作者: hogwarts 時間: 08-12-11 18:50
親愛的各位 BK 朋友，
謝謝大家多样化的意見，我们的社会就是可以包容不同意見，才日漸进步嘛！
文字寫了出來，作者就一定不会再有百分百的解釋权，"我唔應該只沉醉於昔日的光輝.而要努力向前!" 的確此较是我想表達的意思。 但文字功力不足，錯的在我。
自己住在湾仔，也有好友是"华仁仔"，也曾在做义务工作時，和华小兩度接觸，印象其佳。
為孩子報考 SPCPS，根本是无心插柳，Ms Chan 花了兩分鈡就 in 完，唸的也不过是街坊幼兒園，原本就沒有寄望，能被錄取，一路走來，漸漸覺得兩间学校真的各有長处、不相上下。但到现在還特別感激 interview 時既不用串英文字，也沒有要講普通話。所以每次一有机会，都會要求 Ms Chan 保留此優良传统。
慢慢，漸更多見 SPC & SPCPS 的優点，骨子裏，我可能比更多 old boys 更以 SPC 为榮。我常跟孩子講，什么公民教育，都不及仔细看看 SPC 師長和学長的人生道路；如 Wong Shiu Pun、如程翔、。同样一番說話，也可以用諸于华仁，大家可以找練乙錚(信報主筆、前政府中央政策组顧問)的升学故事看看，故事的另一主角是大家熟悉的李柱銘，感人至深。
其实 AA vs YY 的题目实在不單沒问题，既可使众 BK 友多瞭解学校情況，其中包涵家長 、old boys & girls 水平，有時更是金融海嘯下的上佳生活調剂。
寫得太長了，先謝謝大家耐心看完。
最後"東大特訓班"主要是日本人對教育的一次反思(不过作者三田纪房，也曾話此書的成功也真是无心插柳，也沒有什么偉大顾景)。当假期娛乐，绝无损失。
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作者: HoHoMom 時間: 08-12-11 18:55
ooooooh, going back to "got 10As students = highest academic level "AGAIN.......
Just hope you can see what a moot point it is.
原帖由 wlmom 於 08-12-11 16:01 發表
HoHoMum,
with you saying that just "a few" 10As from wah yan, it also seems quite unfair to those students and the school. Do you think it's so easy to get 10As?? It's very different studying 10 subjects vs. 8. I tried it before. I studied 10 and then dropped one out. it's a lot easier. i can imagine if i only have 8 subjects.
the fact is st paul boys has none 9 or 10As students in history.
besides, one could get 8As doesn't also mean one could also get 10As.
作者: chunchunmommy 時間: 08-12-11 21:30
Hogwarts,
Hope you don't mind I help you to explain what you have written!
Hehe...
原帖由 hogwarts 於 08-12-11 18:50 發表
親愛的各位 BK 朋友，
謝謝大家多样化的意見，我们的社会就是可以包容不同意見，才日漸进步嘛！
文字寫了出來，作者就一定不会再有百分百的解釋权，"我唔應該只沉醉於昔日的光輝.而要努力向前!" 的確此较是我想表達的意思。 ...
作者: hogwarts 時間: 08-12-11 21:57
Hi Chunchunmommy,
No, not at all.
作者: coco10 時間: 08-12-11 22:00
wah yan HK is better than wah yan kln... but the eng stardard is not very high
作者: wlmom 時間: 08-12-12 10:31
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作者: LS+MCS 時間: 08-12-13 12:48
原帖由 HKBEE 於 08-11-25 13:27 發表
Thank you so much for your comments!
By someone news at baby kingdom,
the student of Wah Yan secondary school is
not so good Now, no only HKCEE result, Is it true?
for future, Will Wah Yan secondary ...
Both Wah Yan and St Paul are very good schools and entering either one is more than fortunate. I think it's too early to worry about the connection to secondary schools. Things might change after six years !
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