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作者: wen2wen 時間: 08-11-24 16:12 標題: 教署侷家長賭。應該請馬會主持賭局！

教署侷家長賭『小一選校』一鋪。如果公正，公平，公開，家長輸了都『份』。教署偏要在自行收生時，要計兄姊分，計宗教分，父母的母校分。

兄姊分：兄姊同校可以照顧弟妹啊。不知能照幾年呢？兄姊現在小六。弟妹明年入小一。剛好照不到啦。

宗教分：什麼大宗教只傳道給自己教友？減少不同宗教的學童入讀及接觸學校宗教的機會，是否學校的本意？ Jesus said, “Who need the doctor: the healthy or the sick?"
投注無宗教的學校時，無宗教的學童是否應加『無宗教』分？

父母的母校分：十年人事幾翻新，母校的亞sir madam安在？潮起潮落，過客匆匆，有幾家百年老店？母校又安在？父母『母校被殺』的學童可否得到『母校被殺分』，以慰其雙親的弱小心靈呢？

賭局規矩都由教署定好。講都無用。學校投注站應該參考馬會的方法，給家長多點資訊。
1)讓『必收生』先投注。
2)現場列出：已用的『必收生』名額和各種分數的已投注人數。
讓到場投注的家長知到投注額和賠率。免得家長盲目投注。

教署如果不知如何開賭，可請馬會主持賭局.
也可請澳門金莎回來的地盤兄弟主持。降低失業率。

[ 本帖最後由 wen2wen 於 08-11-24 23:22 編輯 ]

作者: BabyLincoln 時間: 08-11-24 16:18

Agreed!!!

作者: loy211 時間: 08-11-24 16:20

同意,現行的制度的確漏洞多多,我的小學母校已執笠,想讀都難.

作者: Vinyny 時間: 08-11-24 16:29

我不在港受教育，更加無分，可憐我孩子。。。

原帖由 loy211 於 08-11-24 16:20 發表
同意,現行的制度的確漏洞多多,我的小學母校已執笠,想讀都難.

作者: BBR 時間: 08-11-24 16:33

我淨係覺得可唔可以唔好攪咁耐,第一輪完後點解唔快D第2輪,要家長等咁耐唔知為咩,攪到樣樣唔方便,早D比小朋友同家長settle down唔得咩!!!!!

作者: dad1234 時間: 08-11-24 16:33

原帖由 wen2wen 於 08-11-24 16:12 發表

教署侷家長賭『小一選校』一鋪。如果公正，公平，公開，家長輸了都『份』。教署偏要在自行收生時，要計兄姊分，計宗教分，父母的母校分。

兄姊分：兄姊同校可以照顧弟妹啊。不知能照幾年呢？兄姊現在小六。弟妹明年入小一。剛好 ...

我都有諗過咁樣唔太公平...但又諗唔到點至最公平...
如果你有好意見...不如長細講出大家研究...

作者: LS+MCS 時間: 08-11-24 16:40

原帖由 wen2wen 於 08-11-24 16:12 發表

教署侷家長賭『小一選校』一鋪。如果公正，公平，公開，家長輸了都『份』。教署偏要在自行收生時，要計兄姊分，計宗教分，父母的母校分。

兄姊分：兄姊同校可以照顧弟妹啊。不知能照幾年呢？兄姊現在小六。弟妹明年入小一。剛好 ...

I dare not to say whether it's fair or not.

My son enjoyed the privileged marks and got into our wanted school in the 1st round.

My daughter had to wait for almost nine months before she could finally secure a seat in the 2nd round.

I just hope the time difference between the 1st and 2nd round be shortened. A lot of parents feel exhausted after the game.

作者: koe 時間: 08-11-24 16:51

同意ＡＲ～～我地呢Ｄ得首名子女分既有無人睇下呢？
仲要攪一大輪先到第二輪，真係個心弱Ｄ都未必頂得順～～唔得仲要叩門等面試（如果肯見你都話呀）攪到Ｄ　爸爸媽媽有排唔洗訓～～

作者: wen2wen 時間: 08-11-24 22:16

原帖由 dad1234 於 08-11-24 16:33 發表

我都有諗過咁樣唔太公平...但又諗唔到點至最公平...
如果你有好意見...不如長細講出大家研究...

新加坡的小一入學是看學生住所離學校的距離來選生。1公裏內是首選。家長如要提高入讀1公裏內名校的機會，可以在投注前一年，做該校義工。選校在一星期內完成。

作者: linglingkiki 時間: 08-11-24 22:21

我都吾知個制度是否公平，我只係覺得傳統名校是世襲制...兄弟姐妹優先、父母在學校任職/校董優先、舊生優先、本來宗教分都可以幫下，但而家有同冇都沒有分別，想問:在咁多情況下咁多人可以優先，剩餘的學位給外人(只得15分或10分)還有多少?於是入到名校的學生又成為畢業生，而佢地的子女又有優先，入不到的，依然都係入不到...一年又一年循環....

作者: avbee 時間: 08-11-24 22:22

:( agree

作者: BBR 時間: 08-11-24 22:37

無野係公平,只希望個遊戲快D玩完,既然一月填表,點解唔可以2月中放榜

,攪咁多個月做咩

原帖由 linglingkiki 於 08-11-24 22:21 發表
我都吾知個制度是否公平，我只係覺得傳統名校是世襲制...兄弟姐妹優先、父母在學校任職/校董優先、舊生優先、本來宗教分都可以幫下，但而家有同冇都沒有分別，想問:在咁多情況下咁多人可以優先，剩餘的學位給外人(只得15分或 ...

作者: LS+MCS 時間: 08-11-24 22:43

The whole process lasts too long and parents who failed in the 1st round have to wait for another seven months.

作者: youma 時間: 08-11-24 23:04

原帖由 wen2wen 於 08-11-24 16:12 發表

教署侷家長賭『小一選校』一鋪。如果公正，公平，公開，家長輸了都『份』。教署偏要在自行收生時，要計兄姊分，計宗教分，父母的母校分。

兄姊分：兄姊同校可以照顧弟妹啊。不知能照幾年呢？兄姊現在小六。弟妹明年入小一。剛好 ...

這個荒謬的制度是當年教統局和辦學團體講數後的結果.

作者: popocat 時間: 08-11-24 23:16

我細個讀女校, 所以益唔到阿仔. 如果讀daddy 間小學, 仲要搬返新界!!

作者: vanessa924 時間: 08-11-24 23:37

agree:真係好嬲!!!!!!仲要等到明年,真係好慘.....

:;pppp:

作者: bb1126 時間: 08-11-25 00:30

絶對同意,都唔知佢做咩要玩計分,計分標準又無里頭,真係唔明點解父母母校都計分,除咗兄姊分外,其他分我只覺得係攞嚟搞,點解唔索性一次過搞珠,大家一齊大抽奬,時間又隔得耐,都唔知搞咩珠要搞成5個月,而家先11月尾,幾時得嚟下年6月,教署究竟知唔知家長嘅壓力有幾大?

作者: ClareMa 時間: 08-11-25 01:20

真係等得太耐了....

作者: jojoliu 時間: 08-11-25 08:55

最主要係個遊戲玩得太耐,我地交咁多錢稅養班政府官員都唔知佢地做咩,出年到我個女,好驚

作者: okokdad 時間: 08-11-25 09:25

Totally agreed!!

原帖由 jojoliu 於 08-11-25 08:55 發表
最主要係個遊戲玩得太耐,我地交咁多錢稅養班政府官員都唔知佢地做咩,出年到我個女,好驚

作者: aknchan 時間: 08-11-25 10:31

I can understand your disappointment but sadly there are simply NO 'FAIR' system.

1. Lets look at what happen when we remove the whole "自行收生" ,ignore all the points and remove the district limitation.
What's left is one big lucky draw, which is 'FAIR' since everyone has equal chance.
The school wouldn't be too happy as they have zero control now.
The people who used to have point wouldn't be too happy as their advantage disappeared.
Parents with 2 kids wouldn't be too happy too because 1 might go to school in Chai Wan and the other goes to Tuen Mun.
The people with no points are not much better off as their chance of getting into 'hot' school is just as slim or even worse with a no limit lucky draw.

2. Lets try a full scale across HK Primary School Entrance Exam.
This system is also 'FAIR' since the 'best seat' goes to the best performer. Period.
Would parents like to prepare their 5 year old for an exam?
Would parent like this system?

3. Lets try the 'Pick a school within 1 KM + volunteer work' system.
Everyone knows where the few 'hot' schools are.
Everyone knows the price of owning/renting a house in these districts.
Everyone has heard of parents using fake address for the lucky draw.
If school choices are tied with where you leave, wouldn't people argue that this system favors the rich people because they are the one who can afford to live near the 'hot' schools?
This is indeed the same argument put forth by people nowadays regarding the distinct limitation.
How about doing volunteering work improves your kid's chance of getting into a school?
Wouldn't a working mom complains that a full time mom having a better chance because she has the free time to do volunteer work?

The sad truth is that besides the extreme cases (#1 100% luck and #2 0% luck), no matter how and where you draw the line, some people will tell you is unfair.

[ 本帖最後由 aknchan 於 08-11-25 10:39 編輯 ]

作者: jojoliu 時間: 08-11-25 10:40

世上無一個十全十美又公平的方法,我只希望縮短時間,最好可以在兩三個月內就可以攪掂就最好

作者: filleul 時間: 08-11-25 10:40

同意到極！！

我們偉大的教處搞親出來的，都係一镬泡！不知所謂！究竟他們的腦袋去咗邊！！

無錯，呢個機制原意係想平均分配學额，本應是好事，但實際上佢地唸出來嘅所謂公平機制，基本上係佢地一厢情願嘅唸法，根本都無考虑現實嘅情况，结果好心做壊事，造成很多不公平的現象，每年為無數父母带來不必要壓力和痛苦！！！！

當然世上係無绝對公平嘅事，但至少唔好再加埋啲不知所謂嘅遊戲规则，令原本不太公平嘅事，變得更加不公平。

我同意wen2wen所講，那些甚麽宗教分、父母關係群带分等，根本就係排除異己嘅政策，完全同佢地話“有教無類、普及教育”嘅方针背道而驰！

再講甚麽按地址分區選校，美其名是為免學童要長途跋涉上學，實際係不想有些學校太多人争，有啲學校又無人讀，结果搞到有啲家長要虚報地址，真係無個樣搞嗰樣！

講真，每個人嘅要求都唔同，有啲家長認為上學便利比較重要，但亦有家長認為學校質素更重要，唔介意路途逺！眼見不少為了讓自己的子女在心儀的私校讀書，也不介意子女長途跋涉上學嗎？

為甚麽教處要抹杀家長的選擇權！！！？？？難道我們這些家長的智慧比你們低嗎！！！

越講越火滚！！！！

原帖由 wen2wen 於 08-11-24 16:12 發表

教署侷家長賭『小一選校』一鋪。如果公正，公平，公開，家長輸了都『份』。教署偏要在自行收生時，要計兄姊分，計宗教分，父母的母校分。

兄姊分：兄姊同校可以照顧弟妹啊。不知能照幾年呢？兄姊現在小六。弟妹明年入小一。剛好 ...

[ 本帖最後由 filleul 於 08-11-25 10:48 編輯 ]

作者: jojoliu 時間: 08-11-25 11:02

你真係好火滚喎

,有咩辦法,我身邊宜家多左好多"教徒",都係因為政府

原帖由 filleul 於 08-11-25 10:40 發表
同意到極！！

我們偉大的教處搞親出來的，都係一镬泡！不知所謂！究竟他們的腦袋去咗邊！！

無錯，呢個機制原意係想平均分配學额，本應是好事，但實際上佢地唸出來嘅所謂公平機制，基本上係佢地一厢情願嘅唸法，根本都無考虑現實嘅情况，结果 ...

作者: joetsang 時間: 08-11-25 11:24

原帖由 BBR 於 08-11-24 16:33 發表
我淨係覺得可唔可以唔好攪咁耐,第一輪完後點解唔快D第2輪,要家長等咁耐唔知為咩,攪到樣樣唔方便,早D比小朋友同家長settle down唔得咩!!!!!

絕對同意!!

作者: linglingkiki 時間: 08-11-25 12:56

其實而家我地班家長是為了小朋友入小學而經攪到咁火滾，如果有家長有小朋友升中..個基制你睇到仲滾...不如又睇下而家派位制度又玩得幾多年..早兩年一條龍...而家條龍都吾知去左邊樹咯~~~而家玩計分...又睇下計得幾耐...教局的高官..人工十幾廿萬一個月...佢地諗d野...一定吾係普通市民諗一樣...如果吾係..我地大家都可以做高官啦...係咪???

作者: Eunisven 時間: 08-11-25 17:12

絕對同意!! 好唔公平

作者: charwes 時間: 08-11-25 17:20

Can't agree with you more. No single system can satisfy the demands of ALL parents. People with vested interest would prefer the existing system while the others would think it's unfair. The point is, no matter how you change the system, there would be vested interest groups.

原帖由 aknchan 於 08-11-25 10:31 發表
I can understand your disappointment but sadly there are simply NO 'FAIR' system.

1. Lets look at what happen when we remove the whole "自行收生" ,ignore all the points and remove the district limita ...

作者: sharonman 時間: 08-11-25 18:02

原帖由 BBR 於 08-11-24 16:33 發表
我淨係覺得可唔可以唔好攪咁耐,第一輪完後點解唔快D第2輪,要家長等咁耐唔知為咩,攪到樣樣唔方便,早D比小朋友同家長settle down唔得咩!!!!!

同意,同意...

作者: andrewpapa 時間: 08-11-25 18:14

in fact, is that all becoz of government official?

Will there be responsibility of the "education organizations" too?  They build their school with the donation of their fellow church members, is that they reserve a right to count the religion points. "remember is count but not absolute advantage"

Why father and mothers or brother and sister can count? Why not? The old boys or old girls do contribute to build up the school reputation, no matter good or bad.

Look at the game from the school point of view,  who dare to formalize another system to pick student?

By exam?  think about our DSS interview?

  .

By donation? you will know what will our beloved "legislative councilor" next to move.

By big lucky draw? Will you really stop complaint if you can't get the school you like.  If I were facing this situation, i will say big lucky draw is not fair, coz i have no right to choose the school I like.

By distance? you will say government policy helps to build up uneven distribution of property price.

I fully agree that the system is not perfect. And the system cannot please us all.  But how?
Like the old time under british coloney, the parents line up at the school to apply and we take the entry exam? Nowadays, you will complain about they are to harsh to our kids.

How can we make a perfect system?  This kind of compliants happen in Singapore, Canada, UK, The states too

I totally agree that the time is taking too long from phase 1 to phase 2. But this issue is not about fair or unfair. Is about timing only.

Is that as a parent, we look at the name of the school too much.  And we look at our feeling and pride too much.

Or extremely speaking, we think that some schools are not up to standard that we should abandom them.  We should only keep the shcool we like and make 20 classes in one form.  Should we tell those not up to standard teachers how disappointed we are? No! No! They will say we are too harsh and not fair to them becoz they should not be the one who bear the full responsibility to our kids education.  parents and the students themselves should share too.

all i want to say - the situation now we face is the bad fruit that we seed before.  How to change? Stop complaint and teach the true value of education to our kids - 溫故知訢.

sorry for the 口水, you might not agree, pls don't yell at me

作者: newfather 時間: 08-11-25 18:14

真係多左好多不知所謂既假教徒

試問咁勢利既家長, 佢地既下一代點會好 :;pppp:

作者: andrewpapa 時間: 08-11-25 18:25

sorry should be 溫故知新

作者: happypenguin 時間: 08-11-25 21:56

No doubt the first round of the system is extremely unfair. At least the game should limit the first round "hereditary seats" to a reasonable percentage, eg. 20-30% to make it a little bit fairer!

原帖由 andrewpapa 於 08-11-25 18:14 發表
in fact, is that all becoz of government official?

Will there be responsibility of the "education organizations" too? They build their school with the donation of their fellow church members, is t ...

作者: See 時間: 08-11-25 22:24

我最唔like就係宗教分。不知所謂？用我地d錢辦學重要分宗教分？我呢d唔係信上帝的就無份交稅咩？d人假信教就重賤格，不知恥！

作者: wen2wen 時間: 08-11-25 23:27

有人話:無可能人人都滿意,只有接受現有制度。那是見仁見智。

我主要提的是自行收生時，可以改善的地方：

賭局規矩都由教署定好。講都無用。學校投注站應該參考馬會的方法，給家長多點資訊。
1)讓『必收生』先投注。
2)現場列出：已用的『必收生』名額和各種分數的已投注人數。
讓到場投注的家長知到投注額和賠率。免得家長盲目投注。

见到現場情勢不好，低分的家長可以改投較冷的對象.

(但大家都拖到last minute 至投注，又点好呢？哈哈!)

作者: mow-mow 時間: 08-11-26 09:08

Yours is not a bad idea.
All they have to do is to have a preliminary round for 必收生. Once these 必收生 numbers have been calculated & announced, then the rest can proceed the same way as now.

原帖由 wen2wen 於 08-11-25 23:27 發表

有人話:無可能人人都滿意,只有接受現有制度。那是見仁見智。

我主要提的是自行收生時，可以改善的地方：

賭局規矩都由教署定好。講都無用。學校投注站應該參考馬會的方法，給家長多點資訊。
1)讓『必收生』先投注 ...

作者: sea 時間: 08-11-26 09:28

係呀! 我有個朋友係遞表前半年成日話跟我返教會, 但係都無聲氣, 點知遞表前一週問我可唔可以叫個牧師即刻幫佢個仔受浸, 我咪叫佢去城門河自己浸囉! 呵呵!

Sea

原帖由 See 於 08-11-25 22:24 發表
我最唔like就係宗教分。不知所謂？用我地d錢辦學重要分宗教分？我呢d唔係信上帝的就無份交稅咩？d人假信教就重賤格，不知恥！

作者: super11mum 時間: 08-11-26 10:06

同意! 唔通香港的人多過頭，想嚇死哂D家長.........

原帖由 filleul 於 08-11-25 10:40 發表
同意到極！！

我們偉大的教處搞親出來的，都係一镬泡！不知所謂！究竟他們的腦袋去咗邊！！

無錯，呢個機制原意係想平均分配學额，本應是好事，但實際上佢地唸出來嘅所謂公平機制，基本上係佢地一厢情願嘅唸法，根本都無考虑現實嘅情况，结果 ...

作者: filleul 時間: 08-11-26 11:59

係！我绝對同意： "No single system can satify the demands of ALL parents"。正如我之前所講，世上當然没有绝對公平的事。

但問题是，按現行制度，教處選擇了去滿足少數有”vested interest“嘅一群，而犧牲其餘大多數没有哪些“巧立名目”的分數的一群！

我所指的是在學额分配上，能否作出一個平衡。我同意wen2wen的講法，應從新厘定首輪自行收生的學额。

對於有兄姐在同一學校就讀的必收生學额制度，我個人没有反對，但對於哪個所謂的計分制度，看到有些發表提到“父母對母校的贡献（校友分），或對教會的资助有交代（宗教分）”云云，我雖不太認同，但只好無奈的接受！

對於享有“特别分”的一群，某程度上已享有（我個人認為）“不公平”的“優勢”，因這些“特别分”只是建基於“群带關係”上，根本和小朋友本身的能力無關，所以是否要在首輪预留50%那麽大比重的學额，值得商榷！

唉！小一選校根本就是一個現實世界的缩影，要在這個残酷的現實社會生存，實力不是最重要的因素，最重要的是”關係“。我想小朋友和家長在這個"小一派位”遊戲中真的獲益良多，多謝教處教曉我們：“凡事只能靠關係、靠運氣！！！！”

原帖由 charwes 於 08-11-25 17:20 發表
Can't agree with you more. No single system can satisfy the demands of ALL parents. People with vested interest would prefer the existing system while the others would think it's unfair. The point is, ...

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