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作者: TaoTaoMa 時間: 08-11-9 22:10 標題: 蔡繼有展望很好

今年我帶我的小兒投考了多間私校及直資小學，每間每月學費都不同，由$2,XXX至$6,XXX不等。雖然至今大部份學校尚未有結果，但我覺得以保良局蔡繼有在下年的新校舍最為吸引，除了地點適宜外（大埔道/赫德傑道），又有室內恆溫泳池與及多個球場！以每月$5,XXX學費來說，兩文三語教學，再加上可以學習一種自選語言，在以數億興建的新校園學習，我想小朋友一定十份喜愛，相比起一些以學生成績好自居的『填鴨』學校，我想我兒子他日成長之後，定必感謝我今天替他選校的決定！希望蔡繼有會收我個仔！

作者: Santa_Maria 時間: 08-11-9 23:58

原帖由 TaoTaoMa 於 08-11-9 22:10 發表
今年我帶我的小兒投考了多間私校及直資小學，每間每月學費都不同，由$2,XXX至$6,XXX不等。雖然至今大部份學校尚未有結果，但我覺得以保良局蔡繼有在下年的新校舍最為吸引，除了地點適宜外（大埔道/赫德傑道），又有室內恆溫泳池與 ...

原本我都想報,但已過了截止日期。失策!

[ 本帖最後由 Santa_Maria 於 08-11-10 00:00 編輯 ]

作者: vnice 時間: 08-11-10 09:37

想請問有關中學派位問題，蔡繼有是私校，也是IB學制，學生可否參加政府派位? 還是只可考直資/私立學校,或選擇直升到蔡之中學部?

原帖由 TaoTaoMa 於 08-11-9 22:10 發表
今年我帶我的小兒投考了多間私校及直資小學，每間每月學費都不同，由$2,XXX至$6,XXX不等。 ...

作者: kyliema2006 時間: 08-11-10 10:21

會直升其中學，因為蔡繼有不會參加本地試，亦不需參與小三及小六的評估。

其實家長揀選學校時，除了考慮其硬件外，我覺得其軟件尤為重要，軟件包括師資及理念。

FYI.　蔡繼有的小學祇有五級，Year 6已經是中學一年級了。

原帖由 vnice 於 08-11-10 09:37 發表
想請問有關中學派位問題，蔡繼有是私校，也是IB學制，學生可否參加政府派位? 還是只可考直資/私立學校,或選擇直升到蔡之中學部?

作者: 2046 時間: 08-11-10 10:33

Hi Kyliema2006,

I found that you know lots about CKY. We've finished the second interview of CKY. May I know the exact location of the new campus? Can we visit it by now (will it be just the outlook of the building??) Thanks.

作者: vnice 時間: 08-11-10 11:55

那末，蔡之學生只可選擇直升，不能參加政府派位? 是否如此?
謝謝分享。

原帖由 kyliema2006 於 08-11-10 10:21 發表
會直升其中學，因為蔡繼有不會參加本地試，亦不需參與小三及小六的評估。

其實家長揀選學校時，除了考慮其硬件外，我覺得其軟件尤為重要，軟件包括師資及理念。

FYI.　蔡繼有的小學祇有五級，Year 6已經是中學一年級了。

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作者: TINGMUM 時間: 08-11-10 12:33

Kyliema,

可否分享多些中學部的情況? 真的很難有中學部的資料, 現在收了幾多級學生, 每級幾多班?因為我地打算小朋友不會在港升大學, 所以蔡繼有亦是我們考慮中學的其中一間, 中學部會收外來學生嗎? 或只收自己學生?

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原帖由 kyliema2006 於 08-11-10 10:21 發表
會直升其中學，因為蔡繼有不會參加本地試，亦不需參與小三及小六的評估。

其實家長揀選學校時，除了考慮其硬件外，我覺得其軟件尤為重要，軟件包括師資及理念。

FYI.　蔡繼有的小學祇有五級，Year 6已經是中學一年級了。

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[ 本帖最後由 TINGMUM 於 08-11-10 12:53 編輯 ]

作者: Santa_Maria 時間: 08-11-10 13:11

原帖由 TINGMUM 於 08-11-10 12:33 發表

Kyliema,

可否分享多些中學部的情況? 真的很難有中學部的資料, 現在收了幾多級學生, 每級幾多班?因為我地打算小朋友不會在港升大學, 所以蔡繼有亦是我們考慮中學的其中一間, 中學部會收外來學生嗎? 或只收自己學 ...

Dear TINGMUM:

You have submitted the application yet?
However, I miss the application chance for this school...

So, I have applied the Logos Academy and 2 international schools.

If CKY still accept the late application, I am willing to try.

作者: kyliema2006 時間: 08-11-10 17:21

基本上中學及小學會在同一校址（深水埗赫德傑道，現在祇是地盤一個，新校舍將於明年九月才入伙），中學及小學都是一樣的校長，即劉校長，及葉校長。

現時最高的一級是Year 8，即類似中三，那級應該有５０－６０名學生，而Year 7 & Year 6每級大約有五班，每班約20多人。差不多全部都是由小學升上，插班生數量不太多，因為到高小時，學生應可訓練到同時掌握兩文三語，亦可以隨時轉台，所以未必很多外來生能適應下來。

坊間很多小學都會提倡愉快學習，但因到小三及小六時都會參加評估，學校為保成績，不同程度的催谷是在所難免的。但因蔡繼有不會參加本地試，所以從另外一個角度看，到高小時，若由蔡繼有轉到其它傳統學校，學生亦會同樣出現適應問題。坊間，與蔡繼有同理念的學校可能會較少，所以選擇亦會較少的。

有同學家長告知，插班生考蔡繼有要考成三十張paper，聽後都嘩嘩聲，不知是否屬實。

原帖由 TINGMUM 於 08-11-10 12:33 發表

Kyliema,

可否分享多些中學部的情況? 真的很難有中學部的資料, 現在收了幾多級學生, 每級幾多班?因為我地打算小朋友不會在港升大學, 所以蔡繼有亦是我們考慮中學的其中一間, 中學部會收外來學生嗎? 或只收自己學 ...

[ 本帖最後由 kyliema2006 於 08-11-10 18:33 編輯 ]

作者: TaoTaoMa 時間: 08-11-10 17:59

我有去蔡繼有在天后廟道的簡介會，他們派上台負責朗誦的小一、二學生，均能以十分流利的英語或普通話表演，但令我覺得驚奇的，是他們的父母均是地道的香港人，平日多以廣東話與他們的小朋友溝通（這個我問該校的老師）。我覺得倘若要選擇這類學校，一定要選是一條龍的，有中學的，否則孩子們他日會很難去適應升中生活！例如陳守仁，升中可能是一個家長要面對的問題！此外，值得一提的，是負責表演的小朋友都顯得充滿自信，我亦希望我兒子成長後是一個有自信的人，現今社會，不難發現身邊剛出社會做事的大學生，一點也找不到自信！

作者: kyliema2006 時間: 08-11-11 09:55

每間學校安排上台演講的小朋友雖不是最好，但應該也不太差的。聽聞有些幼稚園如學之園可安排參觀一些小學，亦曾參觀蔡繼有，若能安排參觀其上課情況，可能家長們會更了解學生的水平。

原帖由 TaoTaoMa 於 08-11-10 17:59 發表
我有去蔡繼有在天后廟道的簡介會，他們派上台負責朗誦的小一、二學生，均能以十分流利的英語或普通話表演，但令我覺得驚奇的，是他們的父母均是地道的香港人，平日多以廣東話與他們的小朋友溝通（這個我問該校的老師）。我覺得倘若 ...

作者: TINGMUM 時間: 08-11-11 10:35

kyliema2006,

多謝你的分享及解答!

作者: kyliema2006 時間: 08-11-11 10:41

TaoTaoma,

學校主力教英語及普通話，至於另一種自選語言，相信祇是興趣班的其中一科，可自費自行參與。

原帖由 TaoTaoMa 於 08-11-9 22:10 發表
今年我帶我的小兒投考了多間私校及直資小學，每間每月學費都不同，由$2,XXX至$6,XXX不等。雖然至今大部份學校尚未有結果，但我覺得以保良局蔡繼有在下年的新校舍最為吸引，除了地點適宜外（大埔道/赫德傑道），又有室內恆溫泳池與 ...

作者: kaifu 時間: 08-11-11 11:15

I was also impressed by the language ability of the P1/P2 students in their briefing session.  At that very momemt, I was very convinced that it would be a perfect school for our son who speaks native mandarin and is able communicate well in English at his age.  However, we ended up not submitting an application to CKY for a number of reasons: cost (for what they claim to offer), location, incompatibility to local university admission requirements, among others.
Their secondary students will need to take two public exams at year 10 (a UK public exam equivalent to HKCEE - i think it is GCSE) and year 12 (IB exam).  I talked to the principal (Mr Yip) in charge and was curious why they were having this kind of arrangement as everybody else will be taking one public exam starting from 2012.  The IB exam alone is sufficient for university admission all over the world, even in the UK, as he indicated to me.  But he was not able to give me a satisfactory explanation.  He said it was a way to demonstrate the acheivements of their students - not a requirement for going to grade 11.  Well, I think it may be possible that they will change the arrangement by the time our kids go to secondary schools.  He also hinted that their Chinese language standard is not as high as local schools as the GCSE chinese language exam is lot easier than the HKCEE exam.
For the primary section, they mentioned that all subjects (except for PE, music, and art) will be taught by the two class teachers, sort of like the arrangement in kindergartens (Do they do the same in international schools?). I am not sure if we like this arrangement.  It may be tough for a teacher to handle well on language, math, general studies all at the same time especially for the higher grades.

原帖由 TaoTaoMa 於 08-11-10 17:59 發表
我有去蔡繼有在天后廟道的簡介會，他們派上台負責朗誦的小一、二學生，均能以十分流利的英語或普通話表演，但令我覺得驚奇的，是他們的父母均是地道的香港人，平日多以廣東話與他們的小朋友溝通（這個我問該校的老師）。我覺得倘若 ...

[ 本帖最後由 kaifu 於 08-11-11 12:36 編輯 ]

作者: papa_pop 時間: 08-11-12 18:27

Kaifu, I think CKY is kind of following the UK system - similar to the previous (or existing) arrangements with some of British-based international schools in HK, eg, ESF.  Why is it so? I guess it's due primarily to the backgrounds of the leaders - principals, and the historic reasons of the HK ed system.
Far as I know, IGCSE is 'optional', providing students a chance to use the exam results for further studies overseas BEFORE they opt to pursue IB in HK.  One might compare it to those UK schools which do not give up GCE while going for IBD.
When you said "everybody else" taking one exam only from 2012 on, I guess you refer to those under the local system (NSS).  But there are schools/students who still opt for IGCSE.  As you may know, there are some who haven't put their full faith in IB.
As for your question on having just a couple of teachers teaching 'all' subjects.  In fact, there aren't many subjects in primary.  Some schools only have four subjects: Chinese, English, Maths and General Studies; in other words, they have at most four different teachers to teach them these core subjects.  While for my kid's class, he has three teachers teaching him.  Think it's fine and it's not uncommon for primary schools.
Nonetheless, I trust you have good reasons not to submit your application for your kid.  Good luck.

作者: siuchun88 時間: 08-11-12 20:38

This is perhaps a rather special phenomenon in Hong Kong that a number of new schools declare to adopt IB. Neither do they have any track record in running IB, nor even have any particular experience in providing 'traditional' curriculum. What they claim to offer 5-year primary and 6-year middle year is because their students are much more capable than others. If it is so, their students must have got the admission long before the school was established! First GCSE, then IB, but intentionally avoid HKCEE or HKAL or the new 334 exam. The only reason for this kind of arrangement is to show the parents, who aspire to this school, that this is not a local school for ordinary students but a talented school for 'guinea pig'.
I have no intention to hurt anybody, but it does, please accept my deep apology.

作者: kaifu 時間: 08-11-12 22:16

It may be a little harsh to describe the students there as guinea pigs. I believe CKY can prepare them well for univesity admission overseas, but not for local universities which reserve very limited places for non-JUPAS applicants. However, the financial implication of 12 years at CKY + 4 years of oversea university study can not be under-estimated.

原帖由 siuchun88 於 08-11-12 20:38 發表
This is perhaps a rather special phenomenon in Hong Kong that a number of new schools declare to adopt IB. Neither do they have any track record in running IB, nor even have any particular experience ...

作者: kyliema2006 時間: 08-11-13 09:34

每間學校定位不同，興幸現在選擇比以前的多，各取所需，毋”對”或”不對”。

反而，現在教育改革為334，以通識教學，與身邊的親戚朋友傾談時，他們大表無奈，無奈在於無所適從、無奈在於師資訓練不足、無奈在於仍然摸不透遊戲規則。十年前提倡的母語教學，弄到滿城風雨，今天終告失敗。未來的新學制，同一年會有兩屆的預科畢業生爭大學學位，說到底，大家都是guinea pig。

這篇報度比較全面，亦道出了新學制及IB的問題，僅供參考。
http://www.com.cuhk.edu.hk/ubeat/070478/ib.html
負責中大新聞與傳播學院非聯招學生入學事宜的馮應謙教授表示，高考課程是英國模式，較易被海外大學承認，但轉為「三三四」後，香港中學文憑考試的程度並不等同A Level或O Level，暫時未有一認可標準，IB則是一個國際認可的標準。

世界各地的教育制度都有不善之處，祇能根據個人不同的期望，物色各自理想學校喇。

原帖由 siuchun88 於 08-11-12 20:38 發表
This is perhaps a rather special phenomenon in Hong Kong that a number of new schools declare to adopt IB. Neither do they have any track record in running IB, nor even have any particular experience ...

[ 本帖最後由 kyliema2006 於 08-11-13 10:32 編輯 ]

作者: loy211 時間: 08-11-13 09:41

蔡繼有是否行IB?

作者: kyliema2006 時間: 08-11-13 09:58

蔡繼有計劃Year 12考IBD，Year 10考IGCSE，這個方向一直都未曾改變。蔡繼有現時最高的一級是Year 8，但仍未正式為IBO成員，因為有關的maintenance fee高昂，為減輕負擔，會待明年/後年始作申請，應該2013年會有第一屆IBD畢業生。

原帖由 loy211 於 08-11-13 09:41 發表
蔡繼有是否行IB?

作者: ryanyui 時間: 08-11-13 10:13

dont worry too much! cos when our children grow up, hk education system may change more than 10 times! so the advantage of ib is that it seems not change in the future! haha!
cky is a school for those parents include me feel disapointed with hk govt and hk ed system!

作者: kaifu 時間: 08-11-13 10:55

I don't think the univesrity admission requirements are going to change a lot, and they will still be based heavily on public examination results, whether we like it or not. So unless we know for sure that we will have enough resources for our children to go to universities overseas, they are still bound to the same old game rules - good public exam grades, good university places.

原帖由 ryanyui 於 08-11-13 10:13 發表
dont worry too much! cos when our children grow up, hk education system may change more than 10 times! so the advantage of ib is that it seems not change in the future! haha!
cky is a school for thos ...

[ 本帖最後由 kaifu 於 08-11-13 10:57 編輯 ]

作者: ryanyui 時間: 08-11-13 11:16

we are talking 10 years later wow!
10 years! maybe china exam can enter hku, ib can enter cu, india exam can enter city u, russia exam can enter bu!!

原帖由 kaifu 於 08-11-13 10:55 發表
I don't think the univesrity admission requirements are going to change a lot, and they will still be based heavily on public examination results, whether we like it or not. So unless we know for sur ...

作者: kaifu 時間: 08-11-13 11:29

No kidding. What's happening today regarding university admission is not very different from 10 or 20 years ago, except that there are more universities. The public exam formats may change, the secondary system may change, but you still need good grades to go to the brand-name universities or popular university majors. In addition, unversities in hk are and will still be government-subsidized ten years from now, and the majority of their students will still be admitted through local public exams.

原帖由 ryanyui 於 08-11-13 11:16 發表
we are talking 10 years later wow!
10 years! maybe china exam can enter hku, ib can enter cu, india exam can enter city u, russia exam can enter bu!!

作者: ryanyui 時間: 08-11-13 11:37

the majority of their students will still be admitted through local public exams.
this sentence not sure la!

原帖由 kaifu 於 08-11-13 11:29 發表
No kidding. What's happening today regarding university admission is not very different from 10 or 20 years ago, except that there are more universities. The public exam formats may change, the sec ...

作者: kaifu 時間: 08-11-13 12:47

Well, I give up. I sincerely hope that CKY will prepare students well for unversity admission both locally and overseas. We may end up sending our son to this school some years later!

原帖由 ryanyui 於 08-11-13 11:37 發表
the majority of their students will still be admitted through local public exams.
this sentence not sure la!

作者: TaoTaoMa 時間: 08-11-13 18:24

（IB）一個外國認可的考試，我覺得不論10年後，香港的大學會預留多少的學位給些學生，但我們不得不承認，現今香港的教育制度是非常失敗，朝令夕改，無所適從（會考竟然問『屈機』），我希望送我的小朋友到蔡繼有這些學校，完全沒有做白老鼠的感覺，相反，任由小朋友就現今的教育制度照單全收，父母與小朋友都一定要付出很大很大的努力，並且承擔極大的壓力，才能有機會踏入香港幾間名大學，這條路絕對不容易行！我相信政府係明白嘅，但根深蒂固的官僚制度，那個高官敢一刀切在教育制度上大改…但佢地又肯俾咁多錢去支助蔡繼有這些『優質學校』，所以我才覺得他的展望很好，至少在同類型的學校中，我估他應該是最好的！最後值得一提係，SPCC同DBS都會有IB試的選擇，傳統名校，我相信他們亦不會浪費資源投資在一班在香港沒有競爭力上香港大學的學生上，對嗎？

作者: curry123 時間: 08-11-13 22:03

Totally agree with you.

原帖由 TaoTaoMa 於 08-11-13 18:24 發表
（IB）一個外國認可的考試，我覺得不論10年後，香港的大學會預留多少的學位給些學生，但我們不得不承認，現今香港的教育制度是非常失敗，朝令夕改，無所適從（會考竟然問『屈機』），我希望送我的小朋友到蔡繼有這些學校，完全沒有做白老鼠的 ...

作者: kyliema2006 時間: 08-11-14 09:40

其實現時的334學制，提倡以通識教學，不再死讀書的做法，有點類似IB理念。這個改革本質是好，但要將孩子的邏輯思維提升之餘，更需提升教師的質素，拼棄傳統教學方法，學校亦需調整校風以之配合，家庭更需具備求知精神。改革祇是口號，要成功落實，所花的資源其實是非常浩大的，成敗與否，唯有拭目以待。

真人真事一則，每到考試時間，媽媽級的同事們都會積極為孩子備試，最難最難捉模的一科就是通識科，除了考起學生們之外，家長們對這一科都顯得特別戰戰競競。終於試題出了，一條小四程度的問題：「為何石油氣的價格升幅會比汽油的多？」自問真的無本事答。

作者: papa_pop 時間: 08-11-14 12:51

kaifu, you don't really need to give up. It's just different people have different views and perspectives. As kyliema said, there's no 'right' or 'wrong' in some of the arguments.
I gather the primary difference stems from the different planning for the kid's studies. To be honest, if one only eyes on local universities, CKY stands no better chance than most local schools. What CKY is embracing is a more flexible and, hopefully, more international, education. You have rightly pointed out that it does have financial implications on the part of parents. Fingers crossed.

作者: CSW 時間: 08-11-14 16:06

終於出左4/12的2nd in名單...好在都有得in....

作者: BusyMommy 時間: 08-11-15 00:48

My son got the 2nd interview too. But my concern is on the school fee, $5xxx is very very expensive, I don't know will I let my son go to this school even he got accepted, I don't know can we afford this high school fee for 11 years !! Anyone knows that any government subsidry on the school fee ? Thanks !!

作者: father_ho 時間: 08-11-15 23:09 標題: 回覆 # 的文章

Dear BusyMommy,

Don't cal. like that, if you feel $5,xxx is too much. You shouldn't select CKY cos the school fee will be much higher than this in upper forms. I have no offence but it is true fact although CKY's fee is cheaper than international school but still much higher than those DSS and subvented one.

Most parent select CKY but not DSS has one objective is to let their kids not to follow local exam cos it goes too extreme on mark driven base. It doesn't mean exam is useless but it just reflect how far kids learn and nothing worth spending hours for memorise exact wording.

For DBSPD or SPCC or other DSS, since they are required to let most of their graduate to follow local exam(gov. policy in return for their subvention), they can't provide all class to follow IB stream. They alway claim it all depends on the suitability of student to follow IB or local exam, do you believe?

For parent concerning why CKY go for IGCSE and IB rather than just like the future form six local exam. I still support CKY's decision since I admit some student can not cope with the IB's standard for studying, there should be exit point for them. Some may say would it be the local exam? If that is the case, student will back to the marks driven machine and the endless suppl. workbook for precision and speedy result. Is it all we want?

作者: mattsmum 時間: 08-11-16 17:24 標題: 回覆 # 的文章

"...marks driven machine and ... for precision and speedy result."

this is the most precise description of the existing system i had ever seen.

作者: kyliema2006 時間: 08-11-17 09:44

其實蔡繼有都有學費減免計劃，不過入息限制頗嚴，未必很多家庭可享受得到。

原帖由 BusyMommy 於 08-11-15 00:48 發表
My son got the 2nd interview too. But my concern is on the school fee, $5xxx is very very expensive, I don't know will I let my son go to this school even he got accepted, I don't know can we afford ...

作者: elizatyy 時間: 08-11-17 11:52

I think many of the CKY parents are working as 公務員, am I right?

作者: tingtingting 時間: 08-11-25 17:49

原帖由 TaoTaoMa 於 08-11-13 18:24 發表
（IB）一個外國認可的考試，我覺得不論10年後，香港的大學會預留多少的學位給些學生，但我們不得不承認，現今香港的教育制度是非常失敗，朝令夕改，無所適從（會考竟然問『屈機』），我希望送我的小朋友到蔡繼有這些學校，完全沒有做白老鼠的 ...

I am not too sure about that. There was a report in the Guardian about a month ago that the hk's system is considered among the top 5 in the world (together with Finland, Germany, Singapore and I forgot). In fact, Japan is planning an extensive study of the hk's system. Maybe we are not that bad after all.

[ 本帖最後由 tingtingting 於 08-11-25 17:50 編輯 ]

作者: kyliema2006 時間: 08-11-25 18:23

若日本希望仿傚香港教育，我卻希望香港跟從芬蘭教育呢！在芬蘭的教育環境下，孩子喜歡閱讀，自學能力又高，這才是真正的學習精神呢！這也是我將孩子送入蔡繼有的原因呢！

原帖由 tingtingting 於 08-11-25 17:49 發表

I am not too sure about that. There was a report in the Guardian about a month ago that the hk's system is considered among the top 5 in the world (together with Finland, Germany, Singapore and I f ...

[ 本帖最後由 kyliema2006 於 08-11-25 18:24 編輯 ]

作者: ryanyui 時間: 08-11-25 18:25

cky result is too late! wake till neck long!

歡迎光臨教育王國 (/)