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標題: 滬江維多利亞學校(小學)﹐想聽一下大家的意見 [打印本頁]
作者: anniehong0918 時間: 08-10-28 18:11 標題: 滬江維多利亞學校(小學)﹐想聽一下大家的意見
如 題 ﹐ 滬 江 維 多 利 亞 學 校 -小 學 !想 聽 一 下 各 位 家 長 的 意 見 ﹐ 謝 謝 !
作者: cherubic 時間: 08-10-29 11:37
VSA is a good school, in my opinion. For each class, they allocate one native english teacher and a chinese (putongua) teacher. The homework is managable. Students there are happy and independent.
原帖由 anniehong0918 於 08-10-28 18:11 發表 
如 題 ﹐ 滬 江 維 多 利 亞 學 校 -小 學 !想 聽 一 下 各 位 家 長 的 意 見 ﹐ 謝 謝 !
作者: anniehong0918 時間: 08-10-29 11:45
好 多 謝 你 的 寶 貴 意 見 ﹐ 多 謝 晒 !
原帖由 cherubic 於 08-10-29 11:37 發表
VSA is a good school, in my opinion. For each class, they allocate one native english teacher and a chinese (putongua) teacher. The homework is managable. Students there are happy and independent. ...
作者: zenzenmama 時間: 08-10-29 16:19
Thank you and wish more parents can share with us.... do anyone know the coming increment rate of the school fees of VSA?
作者: 俊賢 時間: 08-10-29 22:34
幾年來, 參觀過他們的教學示範, 聽過簡介會, 睇過她們學生的表演, 兩文三語也不錯, 新校舍更設備齊全, 而且他與蔡繼有同是全港兩所由政府撥地及撥款資肋建校舍的優質私校.除此, 她更是由幼稚園至中學文憑都行IB及雙班主任的學校, 小班教學, 英普並行, ...
同樣地, IB亦引申出她們的缺點, 行IB的成本很貴, 每月學費達6,500, 而且仍有上升的空間, 而且對某些人來說去到深灣都幾遠, 校車可達每月2,000, 加上午餐等開支, 我想都要過9,000. 即使係中產(唔係富豪), 在金融海嘯的環境下, 唔知幾時會受到影響...同樣價錢, 如果入到StPaul Co-Edu, 可能會更多人認同..
以我愚見, 如果入唔到StPaul Co-Edu, 而又負擔到學費, 我就一定會考慮此校(當然你是由維幼讀上去, 否則, 相信她們沒有多餘學位給外來生)
原帖由 zenzenmama 於 08-10-29 16:19 發表
Thank you and wish more parents can share with us.... do anyone know the coming increment rate of the school fees of VSA?
作者: bobodad 時間: 08-10-29 23:05
原帖由 俊賢 於 08-10-29 22:34 發表
幾年來, 參觀過他們的教學示範, 聽過簡介會, 睇過她們學生的表演, 兩文三語也不錯, 新校舍更設備齊全, 而且他與蔡繼有同是全港兩所由政府撥地及撥款資肋建校舍的優質私校.除此, 她更是由幼稚園至中學文憑都行IB及雙 ...
我女兒在海怡維記由PN班讀到K3.
在參觀完維小之後, 決定唔會比佢升讀維小!
兩文三語係維記的"賣點"之一. 但實際上學生的英語和普通話只係"普通"程度! 可能比一般香港的local小學較好, 因為始終以英文&普通話教學. 當你參觀過小學之後, 會發現學生都係以"廣東話"為基本溝通語言. 甚至開放日在台上表演的學生, 無論英文或普通話發音都不太標準.
論學術, 比一般local school淺好多. 我女兒正在海怡校讀K3, 她表姐在另一間local傳統學校讀k3, 比較之下, 會發現女兒的中文, 數學, 甚至英文生字等的程度都比不上!
但當然唔係無可取之處, 雙班主任制係好好 (普通話+英話老師), 令女兒每日返學都好開心.
只係覺得學術上比不上傳統local school. 至於英語又比不上international school, 兩頭唔到岸..
讀開維記的家長都一定會發現, 呢間標榜兩文三語的國際性學校, 其實只係一間for香港中產的"local school"吧!
小班教學? no way! 30幾人一班!!! 學費又逐年加根本就覺得唔值!
最後一提, 以我所知, 今屆大部份家長都只係以維小做"後備", 考到其他心宜小學都唔會留在維小!
而且, 今年的內部發生好大問題, 初初唔夠位比學生原校升上, 後來變成太多多餘位, 只要想讀, 同老師讀聲就即收!
作者: 俊賢 時間: 08-10-29 23:53
聽完你的分析, 感覺你好像很仇恨自己的幼稚園, 是否與學校曾經有磨擦或是暫時找不到理想學校有些不愉快?
我個人意見, 如果自己睇少自己小朋友就讀的幼稚園, 潛移默化下可能影響到自己小朋友的信心.
而且, 依我所觀察, 無論你讀那一間出名或一般的幼稚園, 表面看到的語文能力, 數學及學術等, 真的全靠幼稚園的功勞嗎? 其實, 背後父母所經營的, 所付出的; 及送往保習或參加課外活動等等的, 又有誰知道? 據我了解(如錯請指正), 好多出名幼稚園如CCKG,根德園,St.Cat&Victoria, 父母都有安排不同形式的課外訓練, 單憑表面好難比較, 是幼稚園的因素, 還是其他....
當然, 我本人一向性格樂觀, 處處從欣賞的角度去發掘小學的優點, 他們的小學生以兩文三語不停地演出, 其自信心及合作性, 我真的很欣賞, 至於英文及普通話發音, 我唔會覺得小一二可以或需要做到完美; 我都睇過英華,蔡繼有,聖保祿(Causway bay), 浸小學生等表現, 我真的唔覺得維小會比下去.
而且, 將來香港中學行三三四, 甚至考慮負笈海外, 要考IB, 其重點相信已由死記爛背而轉移為重思考重分析, 所以, 如果仍然與人爭一日之長短, 妄自菲薄, .....
"小班教學? no way! 30幾人一班!!! " 據我所了解, 以我聽聞何文田為例, PN 1:8; K1 1:10; K2 1:12; K3 1:14 (?)...這比例是上限, 有些班會少於此, 而他們大班者30幾人係有三位老師, 兩個是班主任, 一個是助教(其實都是下午班的班主任), 他們會分兩組或三組進行不同的活動, 例如講英文故事, 真的是1:8 或 1:10 etc. 遇到特別情況, 如新開學時, 更會增加很多人手協助. 當然, 一般人會批評好比人有commercial的感覺....
以上乃個人意見, 有所冒犯, 懇請見諒.
原帖由 bobodad 於 08-10-29 23:05 發表
我女兒在海怡維記由PN班讀到K3.
在參觀完維小之後, 決定唔會比佢升讀維小!
兩文三語係維記的"賣點"之一. 但實際上學生的英語和普通話只係"普通"程度! 可能比一般香港的local小學較好, 因為始終以英文&普通話教學 ...
[ 本帖最後由 俊賢 於 08-10-30 00:05 編輯 ]
作者: bobodad 時間: 08-10-30 00:01
首先要澄清一點, 我絕對無仇恨呢間幼稚園! 亦從來無發生過不愉快的事情.
相反, 女兒返學一直都非常開心, 老師亦十分nice, 連學校護士甚至看門口的保安亦一樣好nice!
今年k3, 她讀全日班, 我起初都怕佢唔適應. 但剛好相反, 佢讀得好開心. 今年的2位班主任亦很好, 甚至間中都打電話比我地傾傾女兒在學校的情況.
至於我上述所講, 只係就學校的學術/課程等方面的意見. 以一間標榜兩文三話的國際性學校而言, 在參觀完維小之後, 我父婦倆都覺得有點失望.
特別是再參觀過其他學校之後, 感覺就更強烈.
另外, 今年升小的安排, 實在攪得太混亂..... 維記幼稚園的家長會明白我講乜.
作者: bobodad 時間: 08-10-30 00:07
再講, 對學術有要求的, 寧願揀一些傳統的local名校.
要行IB課程或計劃去外國升學的, 多間international school, SIS, CIS等更好.
我唔係針對維小, 只係我地的個人意見.
原來都想女兒繼續升維小, 但參觀完維小之後就.....
但要重申一點, 維小的校舍的確好大好靚, 師資都應該OK. 相信在維小讀書的學生都一定會好開心.
只係我地的期望有D分岐吧.
作者: bobodad 時間: 08-10-30 00:09
"小班教學? no way! 30幾人一班!!!
小學每班多達35人或以上一班!
作者: samelsaho 時間: 08-10-30 01:01 標題: 回覆 # 的文章
"維記幼稚園的家長會明白我講乜." - 絕對同意.
今年學費已加到每月$7,100，相信過多幾年學費應該會過萬．
"今屆大部份家長都只係以維小做"後備"" - 梁繼章都話好鍾意維記，打算比小朋友直升上去，未一樣去男拔interview!
作者: Mememe0319 時間: 08-10-30 11:54
我仔仔而家喺維記讀緊PN, 自去年開始我已經去參觀個別幼稚園/小學。宏立嗰次參觀後個人感受至深，很多時候學校對外表現的高水準，仔細留意後你便會發現往往很多好水平或超水平的表現都是需要家長背後積極努力配合安排的。宏立學生展示高水平三文兩語，但很明顯的表演英語/普通話的同學跟本母語就是英語/國語...因此，本人認為如果父母本身自己語文能力麻麻，而家裡又不能給予小朋友一個國際化的環境的話，便不要妄想只付每月一萬幾千，便要求學校用每天幾個小時將一個香港人打造成一個鬼仔或北京人。學校的角色只是提供平台，小朋友最後得益多少，就要看父母怎樣利用該平台而矣。
作者: cherubic 時間: 08-10-30 12:46
My son's class has 27 students. 35 students seems incorrect. I consider the class size is OK. The teachers can take care of every students.
原帖由 bobodad 於 08-10-30 00:09 發表
"小班教學? no way! 30幾人一班!!!
小學每班多達35人或以上一班!
作者: cherubic 時間: 08-10-30 12:53
This year, the school fee is 10 x $7,100. The lunch is $25/meal including main course, drink and fruits. The bus fee depends on where you live. For students living in HK island, normally is less than $1000 each month.
原帖由 zenzenmama 於 08-10-29 16:19 發表
Thank you and wish more parents can share with us.... do anyone know the coming increment rate of the school fees of VSA?
作者: sheepiedad 時間: 08-10-30 13:31
My son is in K3. He swtiched from Eng/Cantonese to Eng/Mandarin class this year. At the beginning, I was a bit worried about his adaptation to the 'new' environment for the change in teaching language. Thanks to the great effort from his mandarin teaching, my son did not seem to have any difference going to school and making friends 
Since we primarily speak english and cantonese at home, my son used to refuse to speak mandarin at home. Now he will speak or sing in mandarin when he is back from school.
btw, his cantonese teachers in K1 and K2 were also great. we communicated on a regular basis so that I knew what happened to my son at school and responded accordingly.
The only big concern is that this school is raising the tuition every year. This year from $5900 to $7100. It's more than 20%. With this rate, the tuition will hit the 10K mark in 2 years 
作者: bobodad 時間: 08-10-30 14:23
當然, 無論讀邊間學校, 父母的配合(包括與孩子的溝通語言, 課餘學習班等等)一定有決定性的幫助.
但學校本身的課程, 師資, 又或者學生的背景, 更有直接的影響!
我們也參觀過弘立, 非常impressive!
其中一個原因, 相信同學生來自不同國藉和較好的背景有關. 維記的學生絕多數都是本地中產的local family.
原帖由 Mememe0319 於 08-10-30 11:54 發表
我仔仔而家喺維記讀緊PN, 自去年開始我已經去參觀個別幼稚園/小學。宏立嗰次參觀後個人感受至深，很多時候學校對外表現的高水準，仔細留意後你便會發現往往很多好水平或超水平的表現都是需要家長背後積極努力配合安排的 ...
作者: bobodad 時間: 08-10-30 14:24
30幾個學生一班, 我係聽其他家長講的.
原帖由 cherubic 於 08-10-30 12:46 發表
My son's class has 27 students. 35 students seems incorrect. I consider the class size is OK. The teachers can take care of every students.
作者: Mememe0319 時間: 08-10-30 14:46
that's why i said platform, "學生的背景" - is unique to each of the student
"...又或者學生的背景, 更有直接的影響...!"
原帖由 bobodad 於 08-10-30 14:23 發表
當然, 無論讀邊間學校, 父母的配合(包括與孩子的溝通語言, 課餘學習班等等)一定有決定性的幫助.
但學校本身的課程, 師資, 又或者學生的背景, 更有直接的影響!
我們也參觀過弘立, 非常impressive!
其中一個原因, ...
作者: bobodad 時間: 08-10-30 15:02
我明白, 當然每個小朋友都唔同.. 但以弘立為例, 見到唔小外籍學生, 父母唔識中文, 但佢地可以講到一口流利的國語----呢點, 除左父母比錢請人專補國語之外, 我相信同學校的課程, 老師, 甚至一齊讀書的同學有直接關係. 呢個就係一個"學習的atmosphere"! 就係因為弘立學生比較上國際化, 而課程又特別著重中國文化和普通話, 加上大多數學生的英話水平都高. 所以它的雙語學習會更有成效.
呢個情況, 維小相對上就比下去了.
原帖由 Mememe0319 於 08-10-30 14:46 發表
that's why i said platform, "學生的背景" - is unique to each of the student
"...又或者學生的背景, 更有直接的影響...!"
作者: bobodad 時間: 08-10-30 15:06
anyway, 我們仍然以傳統的local school為首選.
對維小的意見, 只係我小小的感想. 係我地參觀過唔同學校之後和自己親身經歷的體會.
維記幼稚園絕對係一間好學校, 女兒在維記開開心心地學習. 但現在係時候要邁向另一階段. :loveliness:
作者: maxcat 時間: 08-10-30 15:26 標題: 我都係維記學生家長!非常擔心
小女現就讀維記何文田K3!可惜去任何一間直資學校小學校(並沒有考甚麼名校)面試全部都連2nd in都冇,我開始懷疑維記程度與外面小學程度是否有太大差距?又或者外界小學對維記認受性有幾多?,無可否認維記會令小朋友開心去學習上學我很buy這套!但礙於香港一般學校都做不到lB只做到334,總之confuse啦!現在維記學費加完再加!如在維小就讀每月開支加埋D課外學習足足成萬幾蚊,現在我囡囡都無路可走,
一.維記小學
二.政府大抽獎
作者: bobodad 時間: 08-10-30 15:33
我可以肯定咁講一句, 維記在"學術"上的程度真係比一般的local幼稚園低! 特別係呢排要面試, 接觸更多其他學校的家長而得知.
它的最大賣點兩文三語, 我見唔到有過人之處. 就以上述的弘立, 或者SIS, CIS來比, 已經無得比.
若果想孩子繼續在香港讀中學, 大學, 就更加要想清楚.
HAPPY LEARNING, 維記係完全做到的, 無可置疑. 仍然係果句, 維記是一間好學校.
但家長對孩子有咩期望呢? 孩子的性格係點呢? 升小學就更加要選擇一所適合自己小朋友和切合家長要求的學校.
作者: kyliema2006 時間: 08-10-30 19:06
我不認識維記的小學家長，但都有感而發，希望與大家交流一下。
我覺得標榜愉快學校的背後，其實要基於一套理念上進行才會有滿意結果。雖然讀書没有壓力，但家庭一定、一定要作出適當的培育。培育是指與孩子多閱讀，多學習，要有自學的精神，那麼孩子才會進步。我經常指出學校祇是個環境，真正影響孩子的是家庭。為何St Paul Co-ed的學生可以那麼出色，因為家庭可以聘請Net日日補習，又可以包月請游泳老師教導孩子。就算學校資源不夠，家庭都可彌補其不足。
我不喜歡傳統學校，那些日日默書、測驗，其實真係無乜用，過一兩周又會全忘記，默得咁辛苦為乜。原來，真正的學習，是潛移默化地吸收，在無壓的環境下每天閱讀各類群書，孩子就有所吸收，而那些的知識可能會是根深柢固呢！
話說回來，維記有無要求家長如何輔助孩子，若學校有要求，應不致那麼糟吧。
原帖由 bobodad 於 08-10-30 15:33 發表
我可以肯定咁講一句, 維記在"學術"上的程度真係比一般的local幼稚園低! 特別係呢排要面試, 接觸更多其他學校的家長而得知.
它的最大賣點兩文三語, 我見唔到有過人之處. 就以上述的弘立, 或者SIS, CIS來比, 已經無 ...
[ 本帖最後由 kyliema2006 於 08-10-30 19:07 編輯 ]
作者: TomatoCat 時間: 08-10-30 21:31
Totally agree. If parents just rely on the school for languages, social skills and other trainings, and do nothing at home to enhance their learning, the outcome will definitely be unsatisfactory.
I don't think any K3 student can be accepted by just asking. Parents must do sth, eg show their high intention and eagerness to enter the school, recommendation by K2 class teachers, the kid's progress, etc.. 
原帖由 kyliema2006 於 08-10-30 19:06 發表
我不認識維記的小學家長，但都有感而發，希望與大家交流一下。
我覺得標榜愉快學校的背後，其實要基於一套理念上進行才會有滿意結果。雖然讀書没有壓力，但家庭一定、一定要作出適當的培育。培育是指與孩子多閱讀，多學習，要有 ...
作者: Yau_Cheung 時間: 08-10-30 21:49
duplicate...
原帖由 maxcat 於 08-10-30 15:26 發表
小女現就讀維記何文田K3!可惜去任何一間直資學校小學校(並沒有考甚麼名校)面試全部都連2nd in都冇,我開始懷疑維記程度與外面小學程度是否有太大差距?又或者外界小學對維記認受性有幾多?,無可否認維記會令小朋友開心 ...
[ 本帖最後由 Yau_Cheung 於 08-10-30 21:57 編輯 ]
作者: Yau_Cheung 時間: 08-10-30 21:50
Totally agree. So many students will join VSA as they haven't other good offers.
原帖由 maxcat 於 08-10-30 15:26 發表
小女現就讀維記何文田K3!可惜去任何一間直資學校小學校(並沒有考甚麼名校)面試全部都連2nd in都冇,我開始懷疑維記程度與外面小學程度是否有太大差距?又或者外界小學對維記認受性有幾多?,無可否認維記會令小朋友開心 ...
作者: Yau_Cheung 時間: 08-10-30 21:59
1. 實際上學生的英語和普通話只係"普通"程度!
2. 學生都係以"廣東話"為基本溝通語言
3. 學術上比不上傳統local school. 至於英語又比不上international school, 兩頭唔到岸
4. 小班教學? 28 - 30人一班!!!
5. 學費又逐年加根本就覺得唔值! - 2008-09 $7,100 ; 2007-08 $6,500 ; 2006-07 $5,xxx
6. 大部份家長都只係以維小做"後備", 考到其他心宜小學都唔會留在維小!
[ 本帖最後由 Yau_Cheung 於 08-10-30 22:07 編輯 ]
作者: hellokids 時間: 08-10-30 22:08
VSA is not the only choice...Have you ever tried other schools like PLK CKY, SMC, HKUGA & etc...?
作者: Yau_Cheung 時間: 08-10-30 22:10
7. 對學術有要求的, 寧願揀一些傳統的local名校.
8. 要行IB課程或計劃去外國升學的, 多間international school, SIS, CIS等更好- ESF, KCIS also better than VSA.
作者: Yau_Cheung 時間: 08-10-30 22:13
9. 無論讀邊間學校, 父母的配合(包括與孩子的溝通語言, 課餘學習班等等)一定有決定性的幫助.
但學校本身的課程, 師資, 又或者學生的背景, 更有直接的影響! - Many ESF's parents are not good in english but their children's english are excellent.
作者: theresayeung 時間: 08-10-30 23:21
Don't forget the school fee of 弘立 is even more expensive, over $10000 this year.
原帖由 bobodad 於 08-10-30 14:23 發表
當然, 無論讀邊間學校, 父母的配合(包括與孩子的溝通語言, 課餘學習班等等)一定有決定性的幫助.
但學校本身的課程, 師資, 又或者學生的背景, 更有直接的影響!
我們也參觀過弘立, 非常impressive!
其中一個原因, ...
作者: theresayeung 時間: 08-10-30 23:34
I think Victoria Kindergarten is a good school and the English standard of most students isn't bad at all. But academically speaking , they are really not as competitive, esp. as far as Chinese is concerned.
From my observation and personal experience, I find that very traditonal famous schools like St. Paul's Co-ed and DGJS really don't prefer students from Victoria. I guess these schools think students from Victoria can't settle down in lessons and they want more well trained ones (like those from kindergartens in Kowloon Tong). But I think they are somehow biased.
On the other hand, it seems that some private and DSS schools like HKUGA do have a much more positive opinion of Victoria since a lot of my child's classmates got second interview at HKUGA and got admitted too.
原帖由 maxcat 於 08-10-30 15:26 發表
小女現就讀維記何文田K3!可惜去任何一間直資學校小學校(並沒有考甚麼名校)面試全部都連2nd in都冇,我開始懷疑維記程度與外面小學程度是否有太大差距?又或者外界小學對維記認受性有幾多?,無可否認維記會令小朋友開心 ...
作者: 俊賢 時間: 08-10-31 00:30
我嘗試用用持平的角度, 不加個人對任何學校的喜好去想:
首先, 報考直資及私校, 本身就像一場遊戲, 主辦單位定好了遊戲規則, 我們報名參加了這場遊戲. 就像下棋一樣, 有些資歷深厚,對遊戲規則十分之了解, 而且不單止按照形勢佈局, 而是早已在起步時計劃及盤算之後十多步怎樣應變... 有些見步行步, 或是早已下錯了一步, 打亂了以後的部署. 要勝一盤棋, 除了事先的盤算籌劃, 更要得天時地利.
早期部署包括了:
在0歲至入學時的學前教育, 怎樣營造語言學習環境, 購買有關教材, 自少培育品德及閱讀興趣, 若聘請外傭有沒有刻意挑選, 自己有沒有注重身教作好榜樣...
挑選適合幼稚園, 積極參與學校事務(投其所好式的家校合作), 安排課外活動以擴闊視野之餘, 並努力收集證書, 但要顯示出唔係用錢可得的那些, 包括要有公開比賽或考試獲獎, 體藝有過人的表現, 在家有沒有建立良好的親子關係等等.
天時地利人和:
年齡及姓別.
(1) 02年細B去03年扮大B(因為以為出生率低).
(2) 相信大家會知道, 即使03年1-6月, 比較起03年7-12月, 在一般情況下, 大細B的表達及成熟程度有很大分別, 視乎小朋友早熟或遲熟.
(3) 相信大家會同意, 在一般情況下, 女孩子比男孩子早熟.
語言環境或家境及關係.
(4) 家境富裕或父母及工人的語文程度已很高, 操練的時間, 深入程度及生活化, 在表現的自然度, 發音及語調比單憑靠幼稚園的NET會更勝一籌. 兄弟姊妹及父母與學校的關係不用多說了.
先天性格後天操練VS.學校教育模式及收生取向.
(5) 一樣米養百樣人, 有先天能言善辯; 亦有害羞內向或慢熱的.
(6) 有些學校標榜培訓資優, 但又避免接收隨資優附送的問題.
(7) 最好是多才多藝, 但要坐得定
(8) 有些要學術標炳,有些要創意無限,有些要有家底,有些要能為校爭光
(9) 有後天改造, 參加面試班, 參加朗誦比賽, 以訓練膽量, 熟習名校面試形式, …
(10) 是否花心思製作Profile
如果你認同以上的假設會對面試起了一定的作用, 那麼, 單憑幼稚園, 其影響力有幾多? 單靠口碑? 如果ST.Cat及根德園口碑好, 是否他們整級K3合共超過一千名學生, 可以包辨全部Second Interviews? 我唔相信有任何幼稚園能有絕對優勢可以囊括所有學額, 因此, 可以假設讀CCKG, St.CAT & Ken等等名幼稚園都會有失意之時, 只是沒有人會自己出來說自己的情況而已.
我參考過單是Victoria(HMT)07-08的派位資料, 剔除了上維小那批, 蔡繼有有11名, 英華5名…小拔好像3名(?) 我不知道他們是正取生還是後來執死雞, 但都係入到一些人心儀的小學, 而蔡繼有特別多, 個人估計可能CKY & Victoria的教學模式相似, 唔係好像聖方濟各或陳守仁宣小等要比人深的學校. 因此, 入唔到2nd round, 唔一定因為是幼稚園的背景….
原帖由 maxcat
於 08-10-30 15:26 發表
我都係維記學生家長!非常擔心
小女現就讀維記何文田K3!可惜去任何一間直資學校小學校(並沒有考甚麼名校)面試全部都連2nd in都冇,我開始懷疑維記程度與外面小學程度是否有太大差距?又或者外界小學對維記認受性有幾多?,無可否認維記會令小朋友開心去學習上學我很buy這套!但礙於香港一般學校都做不到lB只做到334,總之confuse啦!現在維記學費加完再加!如在維小就讀每月開支加埋D課外學習足足成萬幾蚊,現在我囡囡都無路可走,
一.維記小學
二.政府大抽獎
Don't forget the school fee of 弘立 is even more expensive, over $10000 this year.
相信有能力負擔弘立學費, 其家長及其他配套都不會輸蝕.
[ 本帖最後由 俊賢 於 08-10-31 00:41 編輯 ]
作者: bobodad 時間: 08-10-31 01:03
各位家長一起參予討論是一件好事, 各抒己見, 但希望唔好好似某些TOPIC般討論變嘈交.
既然各人的觀點及感受都唔同, 好難去一概而論.
總之, 作為維記幼稚園的家長而言, 我相信我的意見絕對是部份維記家長的心聲!!!
對於呢個TOPIC有些人講到"If parents just rely on the school for........" "家庭一定、一定要作出適當的培育...."
對於呢點, 我要作出小小補充..
以我自己為例, 妻子是ABC, 和孩子說英語; 我則和孩子說廣東話. 至於課外學習/支援方面, 無論普通話, PHONIC, CAMBRIDGE TEST, 公文數, 鋼琴, 繪畫, BALLET etc...... 女兒通通都有學習. 回家亦由全職媽媽替她綀習和督促.
至於同班的同學之中, 以我較熟悉的5位而言, 情況都差唔多-------意指家庭投放的資源和支援.
而我所一直提出的問題, 就是學校的課程和政策而已....
又就今屆我所知道維記考小學的情況而言, 有些家長一開始已放棄維小, 不申請. 亦有家長明言以此作為"後備". 真正一心一意申請維小的, 我熟悉的人當中是"沒有", 反而有些聽聞是不想煩, 讓孩子入維小就算.
作者: 俊賢 時間: 08-10-31 01:24
Dear bobodad and all,
我好讚成"各人的觀點及感受都唔同, 好難去一概而論."..."各抒己見, 但希望唔好好似某些TOPIC般討論變嘈交. " 所以, 我都盡量小心言辭, 免得挑起爭端, 但怕言者無心,希望我的言論唔會無意中冒犯到任何人.
原帖由 bobodad 於 08-10-31 01:03 發表
各位家長一起參予討論是一件好事, 各抒己見, 但希望唔好好似某些TOPIC般討論變嘈交.
既然各人的觀點及感受都唔同, 好難去一概而論.
總之, 作為維記幼稚園的家長而言, 我相信我的意見絕對是部份維記家長的心聲!!! ...
作者: cwb 時間: 08-10-31 02:01
我都覺得維記好難考小學，因為個個家長都係咁講！
但從客觀睇，維記的小朋友英文及普通話比一般好，當然比St Cat, KV中最好的三成(30%)學生差；因為佢地有成千幾個畢業生，一定有好多入名校，至於維記又未到好差。
可能考小學，要睇小朋友的心情同表現，維記小朋友有兩個特徵，一是怕羞，二是坐唔定。這都是名校唔想收，如果沒以上特徵，單是英文已經贏。
我都想多D家長分享維記小朋友面試的問題。
回主題：維小，應該是好多家長的後備，因為遠及貴，如果有名校收一定讀名校，我覺得讀得維記，一定有其望，想讀名校或者國際學校。
原帖由 maxcat 於 08-10-30 15:26 發表
小女現就讀維記何文田K3!可惜去任何一間直資學校小學校(並沒有考甚麼名校)面試全部都連2nd in都冇,我開始懷疑維記程度與外面小學程度是否有太大差距?又或者外界小學對維記認受性有幾多?,無可否認維記會令小朋友開心 ...
作者: WD40 時間: 08-10-31 03:35
Hi maxcat,
我都係維記家長，小兒及他的同學舊年大部份都入到心怡小學，例如SMC、CKY、YW、PK及TSL，當然有一部份入返維小，所以我並唔覺得維記嘅認受性有問題，相反係維記呢三年幼稚園生涯，令到我覺得當初無選擇錯誤，個個小朋友行出來都好有自信，由第一天見到外籍老師調頭走，到後來同老師玩到唔願走，最初聽唔明普通話，到K2時係北京同啲當地阿姨玩，就明白到係維記其實學到好多野。
到依家小兒讀緊小一，都唔覺得佢比其他幼稚園同班同學差，雖然有啲同學仔係外籍，但佢地都可以玩埋一堆，而且大家啲成績都係不相伯仲，其實小朋友嘅能力係好強，只係有時未發揮出來，千其唔好灰心，明天會更好。
原帖由 maxcat 於 08-10-30 15:26 發表
小女現就讀K3!可惜去任何一間直資學校小學校(並沒有考甚麼名校)面試全部都連2nd in都冇,我開始懷疑維記程度與外面小學程度是否有太大差距?又或者外界小學對維記認受性有幾多?,無可否認維記會令小朋友開心 ...
[ 本帖最後由 WD40 於 08-10-31 03:48 編輯 ]
作者: kyliema2006 時間: 08-10-31 10:10
講真，有很多幼稚園真的會花上資源，為學生上小學舖路。如自行安排很多面試班予學生，又會將課程貼緊近小學，以便學生適應新環境。
當日我為囡囡報讀學之園，因為其理念近似蔡繼有，所以就報。入學後，才知原來要求都很嚴謹，每周會給予家長字卡，又會有不同種類的教材，好讓家長在家中教導孩子。K3亦會要求寫周記，並不是很悠閒，作為Pn的家長，都要緊貼她的進度呢！
請問維記會否為升小一，而作出任何的配套安排呢？
[ 本帖最後由 kyliema2006 於 08-10-31 10:11 編輯 ]
作者: bobodad 時間: 08-10-31 10:41
維記會否為升小一，而作出任何的配套安排呢？
完全沒有!
Anyway, 今天送女兒回校時, 她也很開心-----基本上每天都很開心! 可以看到她一年比一年更有自信, 主動.. 老師亦很細心, 這是維記幼稚園的優點!
原帖由 kyliema2006 於 08-10-31 10:10 發表
講真，有很多幼稚園真的會花上資源，為學生上小學舖路。如自行安排很多面試班予學生，又會將課程貼緊近小學，以便學生適應新環境。
當日我為囡囡報讀學之園，因為其理念近似蔡繼有，所以就報。入學後，才知原來要求都很嚴謹，每周會 ...
作者: maxcat 時間: 08-10-31 11:20 標題: 好高興咁多家長回應
其實維記一般英語同普通話環境係0K嘅!至小我個女睇明珠台一D兒童卡通及國語卡通也明白故事內容,不過佢個性比較內斂,愛絵畫也有攞獎,對住父母親人老師年紀相約小朋友應對都冇問題好熱情多多嘢講,可惜佢見陌生人佢就唔多答問題,就算答都係很細聲,所以佢面試不成功也難怪, 邊有一間學校願意喺幾千人面試中花時間慢慢發掘引導你?後恢當初冇帶佢去參加D面試班有冇用都好至少習慣揾人客觀評估吓佢有咩唔妥,可以改進吓!而profile好多學校都有收其實有冇人真係有心機去睇成千上萬本Profile,所以小朋友個人表重要過一切!喺依度恭喜一D有學校2nd in 及接受申請嘅維記學生
作者: kyliema2006 時間: 08-10-31 11:33
性格內歛的孩子在面議一定是較弱的，這祇是孩子的性格問題，不能全怪維記。小兒性格都是內歛的，當年亦有上那些面試班，實際幫助不大的。其實小兒知識都幾廣博，天文地理的書都很熟悉，英文都很advance，就是很慢熱，所以那些單憑幾分鐘面試決定天下的遊戲，就不能適應。經過當年經歷後，我更有體會，要對孩子有信心。Take it easy.
原帖由 maxcat 於 08-10-31 11:20 發表
其實維記一般英語同普通話環境係0K嘅!至小我個女睇明珠台一D兒童卡通及國語卡通也明白故事內容,不過佢個性比較內斂,愛絵畫也有攞獎,對住父母親人老師年紀相約小朋友應對都冇問題好熱情多多嘢講,可惜佢見陌生人佢就唔 ...
作者: mattsmum 時間: 08-10-31 12:53 標題: 回覆 # 的文章
victoria is not that bad.
primary school allocation very much depends on parent's background- the marks you get as old girl, religious marks etc.
i would not blame vic if my children are not accepted by any DSS, it is my problem, how come I did not go to those famous school 20 years ago?
作者: cherubic 時間: 08-10-31 13:24
Whether a school is good depends much on your expectation, and the goal of the school is relevant in this regard.
To judge whether a school is your right choice, you should check very carefully the goal of that school. Secondly, you need to check whether they have implemented it in a proper way.
VSA was not my second choice or third choice. It was my first choice. Why?
I expect my son to become an independent person, in the sense that he should finish his homework by himself and prepare the dictation/ test that is required from time to time. Also, I hope that he can learn the skill of acquiring knowledge. Of course I hope that he will develop a good reading habit. With this in mind, I chose VSA.
In these first 2 months (P1), my son can finish 80% of his homework by himself. When he finds some words he's not sure about the spelling, his first reponse is to look up at the dictionary. Furthermore he will check whether he has finished the homework everynight. With these results so far, I am satisfied.
However, these are not all resulting from the school's input, my input is also important (by reminding him that the homework is his not mine, etc).
The reason I response to this is to share with the K3 parents how to make an informed choice. I am not here to advertise VSA.
作者: qqzzma 時間: 08-10-31 14:09
My two kids both study in Victoria Kindergarten (one graduated and one still in K2).
I also want to give my opinion from “user’s point of view”.
I am very happy with Victoria’s standard.
Kids love to read.
Learning is by immersion (native English and Putonghua teachers).
They are confident, curious and lively. The workload from PN to K2 (1st term) is little, if any, and that I fully agree.
From K2 second terms onward, the homework will increase.
In K3, there is quite a lot.
The nature of the homework encourages reading (1 Chi and 1 Eng reading report each week, plus a graded self-reading scheme - “I can read” each week), expression and presentation of ideas, creativeness (diary writing – 童心集), phonics, projects … after all – learning happily.
Copying is minimal.
Dictation (5 words per week) is reasonable.
K3 kids need to do the homework book (家課冊) from second term.
I think Victoria does prepare kids for primary allocation after all.
It even organizes P1 parent seminars and reminds interested parents of the application deadlines for other famous primary schools.
The P1 allocation is quite good, as can be seen on the Victoria website.
My son is now in P.1 in St. Stephen’s (Stanley), and a lot of his classmates are from Victoria KG, though different campuses.
I think “many” Victoria parents will love to put their kids in schools that are not so stressful.
I (and many other parents I know) do not wish to put the kids into very traditional famous schools.
It does not mean that 吃不到的葡萄是酸的 or our kids are not competitive enough.
It just means that we prefer a happier learning environment, and more quality family time.
When my son was in
K1/K2, I did apply to transfer him to some famous KGs “out of curiosity” / “慕名而報”.
Luckily, he was accepted by all, but finally he stayed at Victoria because we all love this school.
And, I have no regret even now.
I always heard some people describing Victoria as “commercial”.
I do not quite understand.
Yes, Victoria’s school fee is quite high (~4,500 this year) and increasing every year.
For me, it’s okay and it’s worth.
I once heard a parent saying that private hospitals are “commercial” too – they charge for each cotton ball, but why many mothers-to-be want to deliver in private hospitals.
It’s because they prefer the level of service, facilities, etc.
Some parents may be willing to spend 10,000s on luxury handbags (that’s commercial) but think that a school charging high fee is “commercial” (without really understanding the curriculum, mode of teaching).
That puzzles me.
(Ooops, no offensive here.)
作者: Noelmama 時間: 08-10-31 15:09
cherubic and qqzzma,
100% agree and support, 你地講出晒我既心聲
VSA also is my first choice
作者: bobodad 時間: 08-10-31 15:11
qqzzma:
點解你無比仔仔繼續升上維小呢?
其實我一直覺得維記幼稚園係唔錯 (in terms of happy learning), 只不過到"小學"呢個階段, 覺得需要另覓一所更配合我地的期望和適合小朋友的學校..
作者: bobodad 時間: 08-10-31 15:16
老實講, 知道呢度有家長以維記作為first choice, 我都覺得開心的~ 當初替女兒報幼稚園, 都只係報呢一間而已.
相信仍然有些家長會以維小做first choice. 但我熟悉的同學家長當中就沒有了.
每個人的期望都唔同. 比較過唔同學校之後, 都係想幫自己的孩子找一間最適合的.
無論如何, 都希望在維小讀書的小朋友讀得開開心心!
作者: qqzzma 時間: 08-10-31 15:42
Bobodad - Indeed i had a big struggle in my decision. I like both Victoria and St Stephen's very much. I chose St Stephen's finally as since last year, I have become a Christian. That's why I chose a Christian school.
原帖由 bobodad 於 08-10-31 15:11 發表
qqzzma:
點解你無比仔仔繼續升上維小呢?
其實我一直覺得維記幼稚園係唔錯 (in terms of happy learning), 只不過到"小學"呢個階段, 覺得需要另覓一所更配合我地的期望和適合小朋友的學校.. ...
作者: Yau_Cheung 時間: 08-10-31 16:18
原帖由 俊賢 於 08-10-31 00:30 發表
我嘗試用用持平的角度, 不加個人對任何學校的喜好去想:
首先, 報考直資及私校, 本身就像一場遊戲, 主辦單位定好了遊戲規則, 我們報名參加了這場遊戲. 就像下棋一樣, 有些資歷深厚,對遊戲規則十分之了解, 而且不單 ...
I agree that CKY, HKUGA & Victoria的教學模式相似, so they accept more kids from Victoria Kin. But other schools......
英華&小拔 - except 執死雞, we shall also consider the parents are old boy.
[ 本帖最後由 Yau_Cheung 於 08-10-31 16:21 編輯 ]
作者: Yau_Cheung 時間: 08-10-31 16:24
原帖由 bobodad 於 08-10-31 01:03 發表
各位家長一起參予討論是一件好事, 各抒己見, 但希望唔好好似某些TOPIC般討論變嘈交.
既然各人的觀點及感受都唔同, 好難去一概而論.
總之, 作為維記幼稚園的家長而言, 我相信我的意見絕對是部份維記家長的心聲!!! ...
作者: Yau_Cheung 時間: 08-10-31 16:44
I agree that Victoria Kin is not bad but the academic of VSA is not good compared with top local schools.
唔覺得佢比其他幼稚園同學差 - My kid is studying K3. Now he can read Oxford Reading Tree level 11, but his excellent reading skill is not from the school....
其實小朋友嘅能力係好強，只係有時未發揮出來，千其唔好灰心，明天會更好 - I'm not 灰心 as my boy is accepted by a bilingual international school located in HK Island and it is my target/dream school. I don't like tranditional schools and VSA not because 吃不到的葡萄是酸的. I only comment that VSA is not that good obviously.
原帖由 WD40 於 08-10-31 03:35 發表
Hi maxcat,
我都係維記家長，小兒及他的同學舊年大部份都入到心怡小學，例如SMC、CKY、YW、PK及TSL，當然有一部份入返維小，所以我並唔覺得維記嘅認受性有問題，相反係維記呢三年幼稚園生涯，令到我覺得當初無選擇錯誤，個個小朋 ...
[ 本帖最後由 Yau_Cheung 於 08-12-5 20:58 編輯 ]
作者: Yau_Cheung 時間: 08-10-31 16:53
But most kids from Victoria kin are 坐唔定, so 名校唔想收
[quote]原帖由 cwb 於 08-10-31 02:01 發表
我都覺得維記好難考小學，因為個個家長都係咁講！
但從客觀睇，維記的小朋友英文及普通話比一般好，當然比St Cat, KV中最好的三成(30%)學生差；因為佢地有成千幾個畢業生，一定有好多入名校，至於維記又未到好差。
可能考小學，要 ... [/quote]
作者: Yau_Cheung 時間: 08-10-31 16:58
原帖由 mattsmum 於 08-10-31 12:53 發表
victoria is not that bad.
primary school allocation very much depends on parent's background- the marks you get as old girl, religious marks etc.
i would not blame vic if my children are not accept ...
作者: anniehong0918 時間: 08-10-31 21:13
想問嚇各位﹐如果入左維多利亞小學﹐甘中學係唔係一定要讀維多利亞中學﹐如果唔係﹐知唔知道往年呢間學校派位好唔好呢?
作者: Yau_Cheung 時間: 08-10-31 22:05
http://www.victoria.edu.hk/primary/eng/primary_55.html
As most of them cannot get in another good secondary, so they stay in VSA. 
原帖由 anniehong0918 於 08-10-31 21:13 發表
想問嚇各位﹐如果入左維多利亞小學﹐甘中學係唔係一定要讀維多利亞中學﹐如果唔係﹐知唔知道往年呢間學校派位好唔好呢?
作者: bobodad 時間: 08-10-31 22:49
完全同意!
就正如我女兒的普通話, 都不是因為學校老師/課程教得好(她是英粵班), 而是我另外請私人普通話老師和讓她參加朗讀班而已.
即使是數學, 看見她的進步是在參加公文數之後, 每天做練習而培養出來. 學校的數學功課不單只少, 而且十分之淺.....
原帖由 Yau_Cheung 於 08-10-31 16:44 發表
I agree that Victoria Kin is not bad but the academic of VSA is not good compared with top local schools.
唔覺得佢比其他幼稚園同學差 - My kid is studying K3. Now he can read Oxford Reading Tree lev ...
作者: Yau_Cheung 時間: 08-10-31 23:00
http://forum.edu-kingdom.com/viewthread.php?tid=1675573&extra=page%3D1
作者: bobodad 時間: 08-10-31 23:10
不知道大家有否參加維小今年的OPEN DAY呢?
最記得... 不單是台上表演的小朋友英文和普通話都好"普通", 特別是一位家長Q&A時間答辯的普通話老師, 她的普通話一聽便知道是香港口音的普通話!!!!!!! 和其他家長傾開, 大家都有同感..... 試問在北京上海等地聘請一個地道NATIVE的普通話老師有幾難呢?
老實話, 在參觀維小前, 我們都打算讓女兒繼續在維小升學的. 但參觀完後........
作者: bobodad 時間: 08-10-31 23:13
很抱歉...
自己在回覆messgae後重看一遍, 都覺得有點兒"唱雙簧"般批評維記...
但其實只係自己的實際感受, 實在無心評擊. 
作者: theresayeung 時間: 08-10-31 23:45
Dear bobodad,
Then, have you appled for other DSS schools for your child? I have paid $3500 deposit to VSA but have decided not to let my daughter study there la!!
原帖由 bobodad 於 08-10-31 23:13 發表
很抱歉...
自己在回覆messgae後重看一遍, 都覺得有點兒"唱雙簧"般批評維記...
但其實只係自己的實際感受, 實在無心評擊.
作者: bobodad 時間: 08-10-31 23:58
我們沒有接受維小的offer.
我報左幾間私校, 還有DSS...
現在正等11月份的result
已有心理準備, 若果全部fail, 寧願大抽獎.
原帖由 theresayeung 於 08-10-31 23:45 發表
Dear bobodad,
Then, have you appled for other DSS schools for your child? I have paid $3500 deposit to VSA but have decided not to let my daughter study there la!!
作者: bobodad 時間: 08-11-1 00:02
八卦一問, 是否CIS呢?
恭喜晒! 
原帖由 Yau_Cheung 於 08-10-31 16:44 發表
I agree that Victoria Kin is not bad but the academic of VSA is not good compared with top local schools.
唔覺得佢比其他幼稚園同學差 - My kid is studying K3. Now he can read Oxford Reading Tree lev ...
作者: cherubic 時間: 08-11-1 12:43
anniehong0918,
Please check pm.
原帖由 anniehong0918 於 08-10-31 21:13 發表
想問嚇各位﹐如果入左維多利亞小學﹐甘中學係唔係一定要讀維多利亞中學﹐如果唔係﹐知唔知道往年呢間學校派位好唔好呢?
作者: mow-mow 時間: 08-11-1 14:47
Not so - out of all 683 Victoria kids last year, only 12 were accepted by CKY & 11 by HKUGA.
原帖由 Yau_Cheung 於 08-10-31 16:18 發表
I agree that CKY, HKUGA & Victoria的教學模式相似, so they accept more kids from Victoria Kin. But other schools......
英華&小拔 - except 執死雞, we shall also consider the parents are ol ...
作者: sheepiedad 時間: 08-11-1 15:58
But 11 is around 10% out of all HKUGA P1 admission. I dunno about CKY but according to his website, only 83 students got 2nd interview this year, so it is going to be at least more than 10% of all CKY P1 admission.
Therefore, 12 by CKY and 11 by HKUGA are still significant numbers.
原帖由 mow-mow 於 08-11-1 14:47 發表
Not so - out of all 683 Victoria kids last year, only 12 were accepted by CKY & 11 by HKUGA.
作者: 俊賢 時間: 08-11-1 16:57
唔計今年新開的維記, 去年(07-08年)只有何文田屬九龍區, 其他維記都是在港島區. 而蔡繼有在長沙灣及天后的校舍只屬臨時性質, 09年會搬去新落成的校舍 (前羅富國校址, 近前耀中, 近大埔道馬騮山), 相信地區係其中一個因素, 係沒有人去報名, 還是CKY沒有收, ?????
去年, 單就Victoria(HMT) am + pm, 約5班共115人, 其中一人移民, 即有114人, 11名何文田學生考到蔡繼有, 有9.6%考到.
而蔡繼有共5班不多於30人, Max.150個位, 約7.3%分配給Victoria(HMT)的學生.
我認為算是不俗, 不知道大家有沒有其他幼稚園的升小資料可供比較?
原帖由 mow-mow 於 08-11-1 14:47 發表
Not so - out of all 683 Victoria kids last year, only 12 were accepted by CKY & 11 by HKUGA.
作者: 俊賢 時間: 08-11-1 17:27
我個人認為, St Cat, KV在九龍區最大賣點係歷史悠久, 而且有些"F" Playgroup以此作招徠, 大肆宣傳, 只要你讀她們的Playgroup, 就有機會考到 St Cat, KV, 之後就好大機會考到CCKG而進入舊小拔及傳統小學, 因為程度比人深, 傳統小學一般都樂意收St Cat, KV的學生. 但是, 這並不代表St Cat, KV中最好的三成(30%)學生的英文及普通話會好過維記.
KV強項係中文及數學, 而St Cat則強於英文, 但我認識的朋友當中, St Cat都要出外補英文, KV都要出外補數學. 而比較外籍英語老師的教學時間及師生比例, 我相信維記有絕對優勢.
我曾經在某些場合, 向副校長質疑維記程度會否比人低而不能接上傳統小學, 她說她們採用的方法不同, 要求學生愉快學習, 訓練主動探索及思考, 從生活環境學習這些字(包括中英)及相關的意義, 不是要抄寫強記, 所以, 功課量不需太多,
... 是實上, 幼稚園的學生可以用英語流利地面向全班show & tell 自己的 project; 睇DVD movies要求聽英語, 可以明白及覆述劇情及內容; 沒有上過訓練班但可以自己跟CD學普通話古詩獨誦及以英語獨誦英詩, 參加北大比賽而沒有怯場; 在街上遇到外籍人士可以隨便交談, ...
我認為維多利亞的學生所訓練到的係深度, 不是表面能量化的.
原帖由 cwb 於 08-10-31 02:01 發表
我都覺得維記好難考小學，因為個個家長都係咁講！
但從客觀睇，維記的小朋友英文及普通話比一般好，當然比St Cat, KV中最好的三成(30%)學生差；因為佢地有成千幾個畢業生，一定有好多入名校，至於維記又未到好差。
可能考小學，要 ......
[ 本帖最後由 俊賢 於 08-11-2 23:28 編輯 ]
作者: bobodad 時間: 08-11-1 17:46
我相信俊賢對維記應該有點"偏好"-----記憶中你的小朋友不是在維記讀書的, 對嗎?
在我而言, 因為女兒一直在維記諗書, 所以感受更加深, 對於同學間的情況亦頗清楚-----但要強調, 我絕對唔係"憎"維記, 只係想講講它的學術課程&親身感受...
1) St Cat都要出外補英文, KV都要出外補數學--------- 維記的學生都係一樣. 我女都有另外補英文, 普通話, 數學等等. 其他同學都大致一樣..
2)至於---"是實上, 幼稚園的學生可以用英語流利地面向全班show & tell 自己的 project; 睇DVD movies要求聽英語, 可以明白及覆述劇情及內容; 沒有上過訓練班但可以自己跟CD學普通話古詩獨誦及以英語獨誦英詩, 參加北大比賽而沒有歉場; 在街上遇到外籍人士可以隨便交談, ... "
WOW.... 似乎你遇上了最TOP的維小學生!?
以我自己的女兒和所熟悉的同學仔而言, 只有
"在街上遇到外籍人士可以隨便交談"是肯定的.
作者: bobodad 時間: 08-11-1 17:49
突然又想起..
女兒的一位同學, 在面試期間, 連簡單的普通話對答也不行-----你喜歡什麼顏色/食物? etc
因為她的父母都不懂普通話, 也沒有讓她上普通話班.
作者: Yau_Cheung 時間: 08-11-1 21:08
Academic : my kid also 補英文(Komun), 普通話(Komun), will be 補數學(enopi).
For my kid:
1. 用英語流利地面向全班show & tell 自己的 project - ok
2. 睇DVD movies要求聽英文 - yes, because his english is better than chinese. Both listening and reading.
3. 可以明白及覆述劇情及內容 - ok
4. 沒有上過訓練班但可以自己跟CD學普通話古詩獨誦 - he can't
5. 以英語獨誦英詩, 參加北大比賽而沒有歉場 - never try.
6. 在街上遇到外籍人士可以隨便交談 - absolute no problem.
But my boy was studying in Victoria Kin morning session and another international kin afternoon session last year. So I think that most of his english skills are learned from international kin instead of Victoria.
原帖由 bobodad 於 08-11-1 17:46 發表
我相信俊賢對維記應該有點"偏好"-----記憶中你的小朋友不是在維記讀書的, 對嗎?
在我而言, 因為女兒一直在維記諗書, 所以感受更加深, 對於同學間的情況亦頗清楚-----但要強調, 我絕對唔係"憎"維記, 只係想講講它的 ...
作者: Yau_Cheung 時間: 08-11-1 21:20
連簡單的普通話對答也不行-----你喜歡什麼顏色/食物? etc 因為她的父母都不懂普通話, 也沒有讓她上普通話班 - my case was similar.
My boy was studying Eng/Cantonese class from PN to K2. Before K3, he only joined PTH playgroup during long vacation. So his PTH was poor. He joined Komun Chi few months ago. His PTH is improving.
原帖由 bobodad 於 08-11-1 17:49 發表
突然又想起..
女兒的一位同學, 在面試期間, 連簡單的普通話對答也不行-----你喜歡什麼顏色/食物? etc
因為她的父母都不懂普通話, 也沒有讓她上普通話班. ...
[ 本帖最後由 Yau_Cheung 於 08-11-1 21:22 編輯 ]
作者: qqzzma 時間: 08-11-1 22:35
For me, my two kids do not have tutoring for academic subjects, i.e. not for English/phonics, Putonghua, maths. They learn them all at school already. I am content with their level, given that my elder son (now P.1) can read Magic Tree House series chapter books since he was in K3 second term, his putongua is praised by his teachers now and he has no difficulty transiting to a primary which teaches Chinese and other subjects in Putonghua.
Parents I know also have not given tutoring classes for their kids (chin, eng, maths).
That's why we have extra time for other fun activities - drama, art, ball games.
i believe it all depends on the expectation of the parents - to push or to pull.
I believe I am the pull type - let the child have interest in learning, to be self-motivated.
原帖由 Yau_Cheung 於 08-11-1 21:08 發表
Academic : my kid also 補英文(Komun), 普通話(Komun), will be 補數學(enopi).
For my kid:
1. 用英語流利地面向全班show & tell 自己的 project - ok
2. 睇DVD movies要求聽英文 - yes, because his english is ...
作者: ex_vsa 時間: 08-11-2 12:02
其Victoria 幼稚園都唔係周圍冇人收。
以我自己個仔為例, 當年有港大同學會, 赤柱聖士提反, 聖保羅書院及高主教取錄。
最后我選了聖保羅書院，而我個仔亦一直保持全級top 5. 但係唔係名校就教得特別好呢? 我可以肯定地話你知唔係。
其實每間學校各有優點及缺點，絕對沒有一間學校係十全十美。
作者: hoboy 時間: 08-11-4 00:30
原帖由 俊賢 於 08-11-1 17:27 發表
是實上, 幼稚園的學生可以用英語流利地面向全班show & tell 自己的 project; 睇DVD movies要求聽英語,可以明白及覆述劇情及內容; 沒有上過訓練班但可以自己跟CD學普通話古詩獨誦及以英語獨誦英詩, 參加北大比賽而沒有怯場;在街上遇到外籍人士可以隨便交談, ...
我認為維多利亞的學生所訓練到的係深度, 不是表面能量化的.
我絕對認同俊賢的講法: 維多利亞的學生所訓練到的係深度, 不是表面能量化的
我兩個仔都係維小讀, 佢地雖然不算得上係可以說出流利英語/國語. 但佢地在reading & listening 方面是很出色的, 同埋佢地學習的attitude 很好, 有自信, 勇於嘗試...etc
維小老師係跟小朋友的程度去教, 真正的"教好"學生. 慢功出細火, 陪養學習興趣和技考, 多過只注重灌輸知識. 我個人就喜歡這個教學方法. :loveliness:
作者: mattsmum 時間: 08-11-4 13:32 標題: 回覆 # 的文章
they have one thing which is very different from local school,but similar to international school at the back of it: english teacher is the "main teacher" and teaches all subject except Chinese. there is adv and disadv. of this system.
作者: Yau_Cheung 時間: 08-11-4 21:37
Parents give academic tutoring classes for their kids doesn't mean that they won't give other fun activities for their kids. Except academic tutoring classes, my kid attends several fun activites and he still has a lot of free time to play.
When you compare the students from VSA and top international schools or elite local schools, you can find the differences.
原帖由 qqzzma 於 08-11-1 22:35 發表
For me, my two kids do not have tutoring for academic subjects, i.e. not for English/phonics, Putonghua, maths. They learn them all at school already. I am content with their level, given that my el ...
作者: cherubic 時間: 08-11-5 10:10
It is not easy to compare students from VSA, international schools and elite local schools since they are not offered the same curriculum. For example, the use of different languages as the teaching medium is different.
VSA: 50% English and 50% Chinese (PTH);
International schools: Over 80% English and less than 20% Chinese (the majority);
Elite local schools: the ratio varies but Chinese normally accounts for more than 50%.
Therefore, VSA students are not as good as those from international schools in their English language. At the same time, they are not as good as those from local schools in their Chinese language. That is the advantage and disadvantage of VSA. Whether it is good or not is a matter of choice. Direct comparison is like comparing apple with orange.
原帖由 Yau_Cheung 於 08-11-4 21:37 發表
Parents give academic tutoring classes for their kids doesn't mean that they won't give other fun activities for their kids. Except academic tutoring classes, my kid attends several fun activites and ...
作者: mattsmum 時間: 08-11-5 12:47 標題: 回覆 # 的文章
Hi cherubic, I agree with what you say,
VSA is some how inbetween local and intenational, there is dis. and adv.
but maybe this is why they still have "fans".
作者: cherubic 時間: 08-11-5 13:01
Hi mattsmum,
A student, in whatever school, has only 24 hours a day. That is fair. If a student spends 80% on English language, obviously it is done at the expense of Chinese language. If his parent perfers one language to others, this is fine (that is his choice).
VSA is somewhat in between (50%:50% type). However, learning language will not be stopped after leaving school. It is a life-learning exercise. The clue is whether you know how to learn. May be this is one of the reasons why VSA has fans.
原帖由 mattsmum 於 08-11-5 12:47 發表
Hi cherubic, I agree with what you say,
VSA is some how inbetween local and intenational, there is dis. and adv.
but maybe this is why they still have "fans".
作者: anniehong0918 時間: 08-11-5 13:09
今 日 滬 江 維 多 利 亞 學 校 打 電 話 來 話 取 錄 左 仔 仔 ﹐ 但 係 話 要 比 成 HK$17700"保 證 金 "﹐ 請 問 有 無 家 長 已 經 交 左 啦 ?唔 明 點 解 要 交 甘 多 。 。 。 
作者: wisekid2007 時間: 08-11-5 13:51
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作者: Noelmama 時間: 08-11-5 16:18
3500(留位費)+14200(2 mths school fee)
yes, I already paid, 3500 will deduct in Sept 2009 school fee, and 14200 only will refund to you when you leave shcool.
All fees and charges already clearly stated to parent at the very first beginning.
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作者: bobodad 時間: 08-11-5 16:41
據我所知$14200係唔會refund的!
就係因為上年太多學生留位最後又無讀, 所以今年維小實施呢個"政策"
但有些家長都照比, 當買個"保險" (我熟悉的家長就係)
原帖由 wisekid2007 於 08-11-5 16:21 發表
Will the $14200 be refunded if you finally don't take the offer?
By the way, what is the purpose of charging 3500(留位費) ?
作者: hoboy 時間: 08-11-5 22:19
原帖由 bobodad 於 08-11-5 16:41 發表
就係因為上年太多學生留位最後又無讀, 所以今年維小實施呢個"政策"
但有些家長都照比, 當買個"保險" (我熟悉的家長就係)
...
據我所知, 上年不是很多學生留左位又無讀, 因為本來1級得5班, 但太多人讀而加收了2班呢! 反之, 有很多想報黎做backup 的, 因留位$太多而放棄不報.
作者: hoboy 時間: 08-11-5 22:28
anniehong0918,
恭喜你啊~~ :loveliness:
仔仔是維幼學生嗎?
作者: ecbaby818 時間: 08-11-5 22:34 標題: 留位fee
原帖由 bobodad 於 08-11-5 16:41 發表
據我所知$14200係唔會refund的!
就係因為上年太多學生留位最後又無讀, 所以今年維小實施呢個"政策"
但有些家長都照比, 當買個"保險" (我熟悉的家長就係)
...
well, $14200 當買個"保險", it is way too expensive. I will definitely give up the offer if I have to pay that much.
作者: Yau_Cheung 時間: 08-11-5 22:34
原帖由 wisekid2007 於 08-11-5 13:51 發表
**May be this is one of the reasons why VSA has fans.**
It is so funny to hear this. Why don't just be frankly admitted that VSA still has fans because those kids can't be admitted by other better sc ...
作者: anniehong0918 時間: 08-11-6 16:15
係 呀 ﹐仔 仔 讀 緊 維 多 利 亞 幼 稚 園 K3,但 係 我 而 家 考 慮 緊 比 唔 比 佢 讀 維 小 ﹐ 聽 有 d家 長 評 價 唔 係 好 好 !真 係 頭 痛 。 。 。 
原帖由 hoboy 於 08-11-5 22:28 發表
anniehong0918,
恭喜你啊~~ :loveliness:
仔仔是維幼學生嗎?
作者: hoboy 時間: 08-11-6 22:19
原帖由 anniehong0918 於 08-11-6 16:15 發表
係 呀 ﹐仔 仔 讀 緊 維 多 利 亞 幼 稚 園 K3,但 係 我 而 家 考 慮 緊 比 唔 比 佢 讀 維 小 ﹐ 聽 有 d家 長 評 價 唔 係 好 好 !真 係 頭 痛 。 。 。
...
在BK, 似乎喜歡維小的家長唔多. 其實你心目中想給仔仔一間怎樣的學校? 想佢係小學學到些甚麼?
如果你是一個要求高, 要跟其他學校程度比較的, 那就不要選維小了! 如果你想小朋友在冇壓力下開心學習, 但又不想好似international school 咁free, 維小是不錯的選擇 
作者: 俊賢 時間: 08-11-6 23:45
經過近日來的面試, 採用非傳統教學的學校都會以問卷,或其他形式表達了一個訊息, 就是希望家長真正認同學校的辦學理念, 了解並認同功課量, 認同學校處理學生問題的手法, ...如果我們祇當作是面試的其中一部份, 沒有深思而勉強入學, 將來互不信任, 浪費時間應付因此而起的問題/投訴, 相信對學校,學生及家長都是一個三輸的局面.
我個人認為, 從選擇幼稚園開始, 如果大家真的有做足功課, 選擇了維幼, 已經知道將來大約的方向, 如果你心目中的理想小學是聖方濟各等傳統而程度較深的小學, 你應該選擇根德園之類的幼稚園;如果想入國際學校又唔介意中文稍遜(當然又要有能力), 應該入英基或耀中之類, 還不用讀K3. ...如果當初選擇了維幼, 當心中有數她對升小的優點及缺點.
我認識的朋友, 所以選擇維幼, 是因為她提供兩文三語的學習環境(趁語言發展的黃金時期打好基礎), 以及認同IB背後的理念. 但要行IB及同時要識字又多又深, 似乎是魚與熊掌, 不可兼得. 因此, 在選擇幼稚園時, 已初步有心理準備日後會如何.
同樣地, 選擇小學, 你必須要清楚自己希望小朋友怎樣地成長, 同時, 在自己經濟承擔範圍內, 選擇最適合自己小朋友的小學.
(隨便假設:) "讀國際學校的英文程度很好, 但是, 可能學習不到中國傳統文化; 而且中文又未必能應付未來社會的挑戰,..." 可是 "讀傳統學校, 可能更善於掌握考試技巧, 在公開試及全球的會計或數學比賽/考試名列前名茅, 但可能成為一般人所批評的高分低能, 不善解難或創意欠奉."而維小的好處可能就是中間落墨, 取中庸之道, 目標培養國際公民.
以上不是想挑起爭端, 隨便信口開河而已, 其實想帶出, 現在大多數學校沒有真的黑白分明, 係好學校還是衰學校, 除了資源多寡可以比較, 其餘可以說, 是否配合家長或小朋友的理念.
每人的想法, 期望, 包容程度未必一樣, 所以, 人家覺得好, 還是覺得唔好, 未必適用於你的標準, 不如重新以冷靜, 平常心的心態, 想一想, 自己的期望及理念與維小所提供的是否兼容, 自己的經濟能力範圍還有甚麼選擇, 及小朋友長大後的社會需要甚麼的技能, ....
我們所能做到的就是提供客觀的資訊給你參考, 實際的考慮及選擇就是你們, 希望你們能安排到一條最適合你小朋友走的路...
原帖由 anniehong0918 於 08-11-6 16:15 發表
係 呀 ﹐仔 仔 讀 緊 維 多 利 亞 幼 稚 園 K3,但 係 我 而 家 考 慮 緊 比 唔 比 佢 讀 維 小 ﹐ 聽 有 d家 長 評 價 唔 係 好 好 !真 係 頭 痛 。 。 。
...
作者: qqzzma 時間: 08-11-7 00:04
Agree that not many Victoria parents will be BK users. Really not many that I know. Many of them are very pleased with the school and they do not need to "keep watch the market" all the time.
原帖由 hoboy 於 08-11-6 22:19 發表
在BK, 似乎喜歡維小的家長唔多. 其實你心目中想給仔仔一間怎樣的學校? 想佢係小學學到些甚麼?
如果你是一個要求高, 要跟其他學校程度比較的, 那就不要選維小了! 如果你想小朋友在冇壓力下開心學習, 但又不想好似i ...
作者: qqzzma 時間: 08-11-7 00:13
Agree that not many Victoria parents will be BK users. Many of them are very pleased with the school and they do not need to "keep wa tch the market" on BK all the time. Quite a pity. This is a good school, though not the best in some's eyes.
原帖由 hoboy 於 08-11-6 22:19 發表
在BK, 似乎喜歡維小的家長唔多. 其實你心目中想給仔仔一間怎樣的學校? 想佢係小學學到些甚麼?
如果你是一個要求高, 要跟其他學校程度比較的, 那就不要選維小了! 如果你想小朋友在冇壓力下開心學習, 但又不想好似i ...
作者: jayfans 時間: 08-11-7 12:54
cherubic and qqzzma,
I think I have very similar mindset as both of you. Choosing which school for your kid is a matter of choice. It is not a True or False matter. A school which is good for this kid, may not be as good for another. Before making your own choice, all parents will surely take a no. of complicated parameters into consideration – high academic standard or happy school life/harmonious relationship with your kid? Curriculum with mainly English + very limited/no Chinese or vice versa or half and half? Local syllabus or GCSE or IB? High school fee + expensive debenture international school or free local school? The choice is very personal according to your own priorities, preferences, affordability, etc. It is not fair to say that all (or majority) students choosing VSA only because they have no other choices. I think we have to think out of our own box to see things from a more objective angle. Although many of the parents in HK prefer famous local schools, it is not a must. Nowadays, with so many other choices, not all parents are eager to get a place in famous local schools. In fact, there is an increasing no. of parents who do not bind the traditional way of teaching/learning in traditional local schools. These parents prefer a more active way of learning. They want a school to stimulate their kid to enjoy learning and to teach them to be a confident person. Some of you may hear about the story of 鄧靄霖 and her elder son.
When comparing schools, it is fair only if the same parameters are used. You cannot compare an apple with an orange and say, “Apple is definitely better than orange.” One cannot compare VSA with an international school or local school since they are running totally different syllabuses, i.e. VSA: IB, most international schools: GCSE, local school: local syllabus. I do not think the language standard of VSA students is so poor as described by someone here. In fact, in my opinion, their Chinese Language standard is comparable to local schools and their English Language standard is even better than the general local schools since the VSA students have ample opportunities to write and talk in both languages throughout the school year. I have this view as my kid has just transferred to VSA from a local school. I am still comfortable and happy with this school. My kid enjoys the school life here also. Through the atmosphere, encouragement of the teachers and peer influence of the classmates here, my kid has established a reading habit and started to love books very much. That is what I am longing for. With the language environment provided in the classrooms, her accents for both spoken English and Putonghua have got great improvements. She is more confident than before. Among others, one of the reasons why I choose VSA is that it is a through-train authorized IB world school, from (some) kindergarten, to Primary (6 years), Secondary (4 years) and Diploma (2 years). You may note from the IB website that there are not many authorized IB schools in HK and IB has acquired rising recognitions by universities all over the world. That may be why all levels from Primary 1 to 6 have acquired a full class size of students in VSA this year. Nowadays in HK, with lower and lower birth rate, school places are plenty for students. It is not fair to say that those who choose VSA only because they have no other choices. At least, it is not true for my kid. For the school fees, I have to accept that it is quite high when compared with those of local or DSS schools, but it is relatively cheaper if compared with international schools. For the 2 months’ deposit, it is not a small amount for me, but it is not high at all if we compare it with the amount of debentures required by international schools. Each school has different requirements and visions/missions/philosophies. It is up to the parents and students to choose. If you do not bind the school in any aspects, that’s fine for you to go ahead to look for your dream school elsewhere. It doesn’t mean that this school is no good at all, it only means that this school is not suitable for you and your kid. Similarly, if you are eager for famous local schools, it is your own choice and preference. But, you cannot say that those who choose VSA only because they fail to get a place in famous local school. Not everybody thinks in the same way and carry the same value as you.
In this case, it is interesting to note that there are so many parents with kids not studying in VSA Primary School criticizing the school with very negative comments. May be it is true that most of the VSA parents who love this school are silent. Fairly speaking, there is no perfect school in this world. The best school for your kid is one which suits him/her most.
作者: mattsmum 時間: 08-11-7 13:50
說得好.
要看孩子的性格能力選學校,適合你孩子的學校就是好學校.
作者: 俊賢 時間: 08-11-7 16:17
agree!
原帖由 jayfans 於 08-11-7 12:54 發表
cherubic and qqzzma,
I think I have very similar mindset as both of you. Choosing which school for your kid is a matter of choice. It is not a True or False matter. A school which is good for this kid, may not be as good for another. Before making your own choice, all parents will surely take a no. of complicated parameters into consideration – high academic standard or happy school life/harmonious relationship with your kid? Curriculum with mainly English + very limited/no Chinese or vice versa or half and half? Local syllabus or GCSE or IB? High school fee + expensive debenture international school or free local school? The choice is very personal according to your own priorities, preferences, affordability, etc. It is not fair to say that all (or majority) students choosing VSA only because they have no other choices....
........In this case, it is interesting to note that there are so many parents with kids not studying in VSA Primary School criticizing the school with very negative comments. May be it is true that most of the VSA parents who love this school are silent. Fairly speaking, there is no perfect school in this world. The best school for your kid is one which suits him/her most.
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作者: hoboy 時間: 08-11-8 00:21
作者: qqzzma 時間: 08-11-8 00:49
In fact, I first read 鄧靄霖's article about her and her son (Mother, don't cry) when my first kid was one year old. That article affected me till now. I have made up my mind to let my kid grow up happily, learn with interest, rather than to force him to live up to my and everybody's expectation.
Frankly speaking, although famous traditional schools may have a higher ratio of 10As in HKCEE etc, we must admit that many successful people in the society did not have good exam results back in school days. What they excel are their life skills and a positive attitude.
I hope that people can be more open-minded.
作者: Yau_Cheung 時間: 08-11-26 13:18
但VSA學生的英文比大部份國際學校差, 中文又比本地名校差, 是不爭的事實! 若果VSA真係咁好, 就唔會大部份家長都當佢係"後備" 
, 正因為當"後備", 所以好多人留咗位都唔讀!
原帖由 jayfans 於 08-11-7 12:54 發表
cherubic and qqzzma,
I think I have very similar mindset as both of you. Choosing which school for your kid is a matter of choice. It is not a True or False matter. A school which is good for this k ...
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