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作者: 木土土 時間: 08-6-6 20:49 標題: IB....考試 ??

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作者在李寶?預科書院..讀 IB Disploma

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[ 本文章最後由木土土於 08-6-6 20:51 編輯 ]

作者: mattsmum 時間: 08-6-7 12:42 標題: 回覆 #1 木土土的文章

he is a tyopical hong kong boy who thinks the purpose of schooling is to fight with the exam system. if you read his articles everyday, you can see that.

he does not seem to think learning is for joy.

作者: matthewdad 時間: 08-6-7 20:11

If you plan to get into top tier university, it is not fun anymore. I know a lot of kids in IS ( HK and other countries top ten IS), all the students (doesn;t matter from where) are also very concern on acedemic result as this is the "key" to university.

原文章由 mattsmum 於 08-6-7 12:42 發表
he is a tyopical hong kong boy who thinks the purpose of schooling is to fight with the exam system. if you read his articles everyday, you can see that.

he does not seem to think learning is for joy ...

作者: WYmom 時間: 08-6-7 21:46

原文章由 matthewdad 於 08-6-7 20:11 發表
If you plan to get into top tier university, it is not fun anymore. I know a lot of kids in IS ( HK and other countries top ten IS), all the students (doesn;t matter from where) are also very concern ...

IS students are generally more active and all-rounded. If they want to get into top Us, they need to show outstanding performance in all areas - sports, music, service, academics etc. Exam results are important but IS students do not spend all time in studying, they spend a lot of time in doing other activities and researches. They do have a lot of fun out of these.

作者: matthewdad 時間: 08-6-8 16:24

All the excellent one are more active and all-round (in IS or Local school). The average one has choice to spend more time on acedemic (or spend more time to do the project under IB scheme)=> cannot afford too much time on activities. Those below average one is neither good in acedemic nor musical instrument/sports (in IS or local school).

原文章由 WYmom 於 08-6-7 21:46 發表

IS students are generally more active and all-rounded. If they want to get into top Us, they need to show outstanding performance in all areas - sports, music, service, academics etc. Exam result ...

[ 本文章最後由 matthewdad 於 08-6-8 22:08 編輯 ]

作者: 木土土 時間: 08-6-9 16:58

Agreed. Most parents sending the kids to IS thought that theirs kids can have learning with fun, good in academic and musci and/or sport and of course - be able to enter top US university. But I think not really a high percentage of IS students (same as elite local schools) belong to this top tier.

原文章由 matthewdad 於 08-6-8 16:24 發表
All the excellent one are more active and all-round (in IS or Local school). The average one has choice to spend more time on acedemic (or spend more time to do the project under IB scheme)=> cannot a ...

[ 本文章最後由木土土於 08-6-9 17:00 編輯 ]

作者: WYmom 時間: 08-6-9 19:08

原文章由 木土土 於 08-6-9 16:58 發表
Agreed. Most parents sending the kids to IS thought that theirs kids can have learning with fun, good in academic and musci and/or sport and of course - be able to enter top US university. But I thin ...

I see that most kids in IS (real ones) do enjoy very much their school life. Your kid is studying in local school, how do you know if "not really a high percentage of IS students (same as elite local schools) belong to this top tier"??

[ 本文章最後由 WYmom 於 08-6-9 19:52 編輯 ]

作者: matthewdad 時間: 08-6-9 22:46

Top one have excellent achivement but ~30%-40% of kids from IS (ESF or GSIS or other IS) cannot get a place for A Level or equivalent.

原文章由 WYmom 於 08-6-9 19:08 發表

I see that most kids in IS (real ones) do enjoy very much their school life. Your kid is studying in local school, how do you know if "not really a high percentage of IS students (same as elite lo ...

作者: WYmom 時間: 08-6-10 06:56

原文章由 matthewdad 於 08-6-9 22:46 發表
Top one have excellent achivement but ~30%-40% of kids from IS (ESF or GSIS or other IS) cannot get a place for A Level or equivalent.

I don't know how you get such data but I think there is no surprise.  I think it is common sense that getting into IS or even into those top elite local schools never guarantee students to get top results or top Us.  ESF even does not select students based on academics at all.  Getting good academic results really depends on the students' abilities.  But IS does offer a lot of all-rounded acitivities and help the students to improve their academics.  Students enjoy their school lives much and are more active generally.  Of course some kids do not study or care about their academics and so won't be able to get good results.  In IS, there are always mix of band 1 to 3 students.  Parents play a very important role in shaping their own kids.

Re the subject topic and the passage quoted by 木土土 , the student switched from local school to Li Po Chung for IBD did not understand IS at all.  This school is the top IBD school with only F.6 and 7.  It only takes in top students from local exams.  The essence of this school is producing top students with excellent IBD results.  So it is obviously very different from the general IS.

Yesterday's news told us about a mother expecting her girl getting into top American Us and will become an investment banker in future as the girl just gets a seat in MCS through the lucky draw.  I think her school life will be quite miserable under such an expectation from the parents.

Your call.

[ 本文章最後由 WYmom 於 08-6-10 07:36 編輯 ]

作者: thankful 時間: 08-6-10 08:01

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作者: WYmom 時間: 08-6-10 08:37

原文章由 thankful 於 08-6-10 08:01 發表
I am not sure as to what matthewdad meant by "not getting a place for A Level or equivalent". If failing the A Level is what he meant, then I am a bit surprised. In a class of 20 pupils, he is sayin ...

thankful,

Agree with you. I don't think there are 30-40% students in IS failing A level. It is very easy to verify from the past records on various IS' websites.

Anyway, I guess we all know that learning in English does not mean getting good results. Getting into top Us is not what IS for. I would expect IS more to provide good quality all-rounded education and global visions.

作者: matthewdad 時間: 08-6-10 12:10

The statement should be "the O level grade is not good enough to be accept to study A level course".ie. no chance to take A Level exam. A lot of them become NAT teacher in Kinder..

原文章由 thankful 於 08-6-10 08:01 發表
I am not sure as to what matthewdad meant by "not getting a place for A Level or equivalent". If failing the A Level is what he meant, then I am a bit surprised. In a class of 20 pupils, he is sayin ...

[ 本文章最後由 matthewdad 於 08-6-10 12:11 編輯 ]

作者: 木土土 時間: 08-6-10 20:34

I also think that most kids in IS (real ones) do enjoy very much their school life even my kids are not studying in IS.

Every one may have different definition of 'really a high percentage' and 'top tier group'. I've already stated my definition of 'this top tier'.

When you talked about something of local school, can I challenge your statement just because your kid is studying in IS ?

原文章由 WYmom 於 08-6-9 19:08 發表

I see that most kids in IS (real ones) do enjoy very much their school life. Your kid is studying in local school, how do you know if "not really a high percentage of IS students (same as elite lo ...

[ 本文章最後由木土土於 08-6-10 21:10 編輯 ]

作者: thankful 時間: 08-6-10 21:02

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作者: WYmom 時間: 08-6-10 21:39

原文章由 木土土 於 08-6-10 20:34 發表
I also think that most kids in IS (real ones) do enjoy very much their school life even my kids are not studying in IS.

Every one may have different definition of 'really a high percentage' and 'top ...

Yes, you can, if you have doubt. Actually, my kids have studied in local school before too. I also know much about your kid's school too as my nephew is studying there. As you said, everyone has different definition on those words "high" or "low", it will be better if you can give some nos. for discussion. Thanks.

[ 本文章最後由 WYmom 於 08-6-10 21:56 編輯 ]

作者: 木土土 時間: 08-6-10 22:16

Do you read my previous message of the top tier definition ?

"good in academic and music and/or sport and of course - be able to enter top US university"

Just for the last criteria, I think it is common sense that not really high percentage of students (even IS) can enter top US university. If you disagree, it will be better if you can give some nos. for discussion. Thanks.

原文章由 WYmom 於 08-6-10 21:39 發表

Yes, you can, if you have doubt. Actually, my kids have studied in local school before too. I also know much about your kid's school too as my nephew is studying there. As you said, everyone has ...

作者: matthewdad 時間: 08-6-10 22:59

For O Level C is passing grade, ie. GSIS got passing rate of 98.5%, West Island got passing rate of 91.3%, South island got passing rate of 88.1%. It is needed to get good grade to get to A Level course.

原文章由 thankful 於 08-6-10 21:02 發表
I see. You meant some 30% to 40% of kids from IS (ESF or GSIS or other IS) cannot make it to the 6th Form because their O level grades are not good enough. But GSIS's website shows that in 2007, 98. ...

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作者: 木土土 時間: 08-6-10 23:15

I don't know how much you know about my kid's school. But it seems not related to this topic, what's the point of quoting this

? It makes me feel that if I talk further more about IS which you disagree, you are ready to fight back by what you know about my kid's school. It's just my own feeling. You may not really mean it.

原文章由 WYmom 於 08-6-10 21:39 發表
.. I also know much about your kid's school too as my nephew is studying there. ...

作者: thankful 時間: 08-6-10 23:24

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作者: matthewdad 時間: 08-6-11 01:51

Grading is A*, A, B,C (passing grade is C)
Most UK university only give offers for those has at least got 5As or more in O level (passing grade such as B or C is not good enough). Top tier UK university expect 4 A*s+ in O level (the also send letter to exam broad to check the actual marks as too many student get same grade with a lot of A or A*).
It is simialr to HK system (virtuall same as English Education system), it is hardly find any place in F6 if you only get 5-6 subjects with E grade in HKCEE.(or even D or C grade).

原文章由 thankful 於 08-6-10 23:24 發表
That's right. They leave school for all sorts of reasons and that's why it's futile to compare the number of pupils remaining after O levels. But I also got the another set of figures that might hel ...

作者: WYmom 時間: 08-6-11 06:55

原文章由 木土土 於 08-6-10 23:15 發表
I don't know how much you know about my kid's school. But it seems not related to this topic, what's the point of quoting this ? It makes me feel that if I talk further more about IS which ...

I just want to say that, I posted message about local schools or your kid's school based on experience and facts and I welcome your challenges if you disagree. So just like to know how you arrive at your statement about IS, from your experience? hearsay? Based on some actual data?  Or what?

IS is definitely not comparable with top elite schools on many aspects, particularly top elite schools DGS, DBS, SPCC really select top band 1 students.

And, you said that MOST parents send the kids to IS expecting them to .... and enter top US Us... I would say, from IS parents I know, it is not quite true.  Is that your expectation ?

Many parents in IS are holding foreign passports, returnees or expatriates from other countries, they send kids to IS to have all-rounded education and likely study further overseas (may be in their home countries) in future.  Studying in top Us or not all depends on the kids' capabilities and interests.  There are many many good Us other the few TOP Us (if you refer to Oxbridge, Harvard).

If you expect to send the kid to an IS for entering top Us, then Li Po Chung will be the one for those very top local students to study F.6 and 7.  Usually they get in with scholarship.

[ 本文章最後由 WYmom 於 08-6-11 08:15 編輯 ]

作者: wisekid2007 時間: 08-6-11 09:52

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作者: jjd 時間: 08-6-11 10:19

True. Sending their kids to US universities is only an option that IS parents would consider. Quite a number of parents I know prefer universities in UK, Canada or Australia. Very few would consider local universities though.

原文章由 wisekid2007 於 08-6-11 09:55 發表
Please note that except in HKIS or some other US curriculum IS, in fact not many parents like to send their kids to US universities.

作者: wisekid2007 時間: 08-6-11 10:24

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作者: matthewdad 時間: 08-6-11 13:58

One of Britain's leading universities is to introduce an entrance exam for all students applying to study there from 2010 because it believes that A levels no longer provide it with a viable way to select the best students.
Sir Richard Sykes, Rector of Imperial College, London, suggested that grade inflation at A level meant that so many students now got straight As that it had become almost “worthless” as a way of discriminating between the talented and the well drilled.
Last year one in four A-level marks was a grade A and 10 per cent of A-level students achieved at least three As.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/education/article4061535.ece

Lower grades (below C) stand for no chance to get into univeristy.

原文章由 wisekid2007 於 08-6-11 10:24 發表
Your interpretation on the information as well as the data were totally wrong.

1 Unlike the past o-level system, the passing grade for GCSE is not grade C (see the information below).

2. Only if a ...

作者: almom 時間: 08-6-11 18:37

原文章由 木土土 於 08-6-10 22:16 發表
Just for the last criteria, I think it is common sense that not really high percentage of students (even IS) can enter top US university. If you disagree, it will be better if you can give some nos. for discussion. Thanks.

其實，你個 point 係乜？
就算真係好多 IS 學生唔去美國讀書，又代表乜野？

全世界咁多大學，真係有好多選擇。
當然，harvard princeton 都係好多人夢寐以求的學府，但其實有好多在某個範疇好知名的學府，都唔係在美國的。
例如 oxford，cambridge，waterloo，mcgill，都係世界知名的學府，還未計例如澳洲，法國，德國，甚至台灣新加坡。

唔好忘記國際學校有好多係外籍人士，佢地黎香港住，係因為父母的工作或生意在香港，有 d 可能會在香港住上一段較長時間，但亦有些只是 "過客"，只會留香港三幾年，佢地返自己本國讀大學，學費和社會福利 ( 如醫療 ) 有補貼，這一點會係好多家庭的 considerations。

另外，就算國際學校真係有學生唔讀大學都唔係好奇；
孩子唔讀大學，有個別的原因，在國際學校或本地學校都會有。
而且，講真，香港本地主流學校入大學的情形又真係好好嗎？
說實話，即使係頂尖名校內那些千挑萬選出來的學生，也不見得都能入讀 top universities。

其實，本地學校和國際學校都有自己的一些 "捧場客"，每個家長都有各自的要求，現在百花齊放，不是很好嗎？

真的有需要拼個你死我活，作一個 "了斷" 嗎？

[ 本文章最後由 almom 於 08-6-11 18:53 編輯 ]

作者: mattsmum 時間: 08-6-11 20:34 標題: 回覆 #2 matthewdad 的文章

never mind, most IS are not using A'level.

作者: matthewdad 時間: 08-6-11 21:38

ESF is the majority in HK and all doing A level..

原文章由 mattsmum 於 08-6-11 20:34 發表
never mind, most IS are not using A'level.

作者: WYmom 時間: 08-6-11 21:48

原文章由 matthewdad 於 08-6-11 21:38 發表
ESF is the majority in HK and all doing A level..

All ESF secondary schools have changed or will change to IBD next year. you can see all of them as IB authorised schools on ibo website.

[ 本文章最後由 WYmom 於 08-6-11 21:53 編輯 ]

作者: 木土土 時間: 08-6-11 21:55

原文章由 almom 於 08-6-11 18:37 發表

其實，你個 point 係乜？
就算真係好多 IS 學生唔去美國讀書，又代表乜野？

如你所說, harvard princeton都係好多人夢寐以求的學府, 我個人覺得國際學校既top tier學生有能力的都會選擇去美國一流學府, 完全無意思話唔去美國讀大學有問題.

原文章由 almom 於 08-6-11 18:37 發表

其實，本地學校和國際學校都有自己的一些 "捧場客"，每個家長都有各自的要求，現在百花齊放，不是很好嗎？
真的有需要拼個你死我活，作一個 "了斷" 嗎？

我根本從無比較本地學校和國際學校, 只是個別國際學校家長容不下一個本地學校家長唔arm 聽的言論

WYmon 話 "how do you know if "not really a high percentage of IS students (same as elite local schools) belong to this top tier"??

唔係國際學校家長就無資格對國際學校有任何評論和意見?? 我已經講咗我係用common sense 去講個人意見 (refer to the 'Not reallly high percentage...'), 就好似你話非洲好熱, 但d非洲人challenge你話你唔係非洲人你點知, 根本就唔係理性討論.

[ 本文章最後由木土土於 08-6-11 22:59 編輯 ]

作者: mattsmum 時間: 08-6-11 22:25

i had been following the topic on IB for two three years, I don't have kids in ESF, but I know for some reasons, they are changing gradually to IB, but not myp or pyp.

原文章由 matthewdad 於 08-6-11 21:38 發表
ESF is the majority in HK and all doing A level..

作者: WYmom 時間: 08-6-12 06:43

原文章由 mattsmum 於 08-6-11 22:25 發表
i had been following the topic on IB for two three years, I don't have kids in ESF, but I know for some reasons, they are changing gradually to IB, but not myp or pyp.

mattsmum,

ESF primary schools are also changing to PYP gradually this year, will not change to MYP in middle years,  but changed to IBD in senior years.

木土土,

I am not 容不下 your "opinion" of "Most parents sending the kids to IS thought that theirs kids can have learning with fun, good in academic and music and/or sport and of course - be able to enter top US university.", but simply do not agree.  It just reflected that you don't understand IS parents and students.  I and many other parents have explained the rationale clearly.  It is not something so simple or factual like weather in Africa.

Many people have a lot of misunderstandings on IS, as we can always see people saying, "IS discipline is loose, Chinese and Maths are easy, people send kids there to target at top Us etc.", no matter how many times we have explained, people keep on saying the same thing. And now, one more new misunderstanding:  IB is just another international exam!

[ 本文章最後由 WYmom 於 08-6-12 08:40 編輯 ]

作者: almom 時間: 08-6-12 07:36

如你所說, harvard princeton都係好多人夢寐以求的學府, 我個人覺得國際學校既top tier學生有能力的都會選擇去美國一流學府, 完全無意思話唔去美國讀大學有問題.

你唔好將我的 message，interpret 成你主觀想要的。
我係話 "好多人" ，但 "好多" 唔係大部份。
"有能力都唔一定要去美國 "，就係我個 point。

點解要將 "有能力" ( 無論係經濟上，學業上，事業上，等) 都 stereotype ？
有錢梗係要買 mercedes；
有錢梗係要買隻 "勞" ；
叻仔就去 harvard 讀 business 啦。
你架車係 toyota，你隻錶係 seiko，你係 xxx 大學，重係讀美術，一定係 "冇能力" 。

我都住過美國，在美國讀過書。
有冇諗過，有 d 家長唔想孩子去美國讀書呢？
有冇諗過，有 d 孩子自己唔想去美國呢？
有冇諗過，有 d 範疇的 "勁" 學校不在美國呢？
其實 harvard 和 princeton 都唔係萬能，例如如果係想返英國或加拿大做律師或醫生，係唔係去返本國讀更方便將來考專業資格呢。

我根本從無比較本地學校和國際學校, 只是個別國際學校家長容不下一個本地學校家長唔arm 聽的言論

講真，本地學校家長有幾多容得下國際學校家長的言論，大家心知肚明。

唔係國際學校家長就無資格對國際學校有任何評論和意見?? 我已經講咗我係用common sense 去講個人意見 (refer to the 'Not reallly high percentage...'), 就好似你話非洲好熱, 但d非洲人challenge你話你唔係非洲人你點知, 根本就唔係理性討論.

你講意見好歡迎。
但係你個 message 好多都唔係講 "意見"，係討論 "事實"。
你話 "國際學校既top tier學生有能力的都會選擇去美國" 就已經冇可能係事實。

調轉頭，不如你又講下本地學校入大學有幾 "成功"。
整體入大學律有幾高？有幾多入到 harvard princeton？
其實，我個人就真係唔想講到咁樣，不過既然你咁有興趣作比較，我都來奉陪一下。

[ 本文章最後由 almom 於 08-6-12 07:44 編輯 ]

作者: 木土土 時間: 08-6-12 15:07

原文章由 almom 於 08-6-12 07:36 發表

你話 "國際學校既top tier學生有能力的都會選擇去美國" 就已經冇可能係事實。...

斷章取義! 我係話我個人覺得"國際學校既top tier學生有能力的都會選擇去美國一流學府", The main words are”一流學府”, 而唔係美國．　

仲有，呢d係意見(已經一早highlight個人覺得),你覺得唔係唔代表冇可能係事實,我講緊係有'有能力去選擇', 就算local school學生考到美國一流學府, 有能力都會去啦,我意思都係正常情況下，咁當然有例外架啦！不如你問吓你地ｄfriends(both local and IS parents), 如果子女考到美國一流學府，財力無問題既有幾多人選擇唔去！

原文章由 almom 於 08-6-12 07:36 發表
調轉頭，不如你又講下本地學校入大學有幾 "成功"。
整體入大學律有幾高？有幾多入到 harvard princeton？
其實，我個人就真係唔想講到咁樣，不過既然你咁有興趣作比較，我都來奉陪一下。...

Sorry,我無興趣作比較，可能我表達能力有問題, 唔明點解覺得我踩緊國際學校, 我緊係知道考到外國好大學既IS Students 既％高過locaL sutdents 啦，我從來無話過local students/school better than IS students/school，考到外國一流大學既local students當然更寥寥可數，so what ?

[ 本文章最後由木土土於 08-6-12 20:34 編輯 ]

作者: almom 時間: 08-6-12 20:30

斷章取義! 我係話我個人覺得"國際學校既top tier學生有能力的都會選擇去美國一流學府", The main words are”一流學府”, 而唔係美國．　

仲有，呢d係意見(已經一早highlight個人覺得),你覺得唔係唔代表冇可能係事實,我講緊係有'有能力去選擇', 就算local school學生考到美國一流學府, 有能力都會去啦,我意思都係正常情況下，咁當然有例外架啦！不如你問吓你地ｄfriends(both local and IS parents), 如果子女考到美國一流學府，財力無問題既有幾多人選舉唔去！

我冇斷章取義。
我絕對唔認同 "國際學校既top tier學生有能力的都會選擇去美國一流學府"。
都係一句，點解一定要去美國？英國法國德國都有一流學府。
可能你覺得美國的一流學府就係你個人首選，但係我有好多朋友，到今時今日都係中意英國的 undergrad program，尤其有 d 細細個在初中時期就到英國讀書的，會幾堅持為孩子選英國的大學讀 undergrad program。
你中意美國，係你個人的選擇，點可以話其他人都會同你一樣咁諗？

Sorry,我無興趣作比較，可能我表達能力有問題, 唔明點解覺得我踩緊國際學校, 我緊係知道考到外國好大學既IS Students 既％高過locaL sutdents 啦，我從來無話過local students/school better than IS students/school，考到外國一流大學既local students當然更寥寥可數，so what ?

問心，點會唔比較呢？
唔比較，又點選擇適合自己要求的學校呢？
但係每個人的比較，都係看自己的情形和要求而做，得出來的結果冇可以適合全部人。

你表達能力冇問題，不過係你個 logic 有問題。
你當大部份國際學校家長同你有同樣的諗法，就已經唔 logical。

你踩唔踩國際學校，唔會影響我。
一個學生受唔受大學取錄，自然有個別原因和條件。
我地這些路人甲乙丙在這裡的發言，只是小圈子內的事。

[ 本文章最後由 almom 於 08-6-12 20:31 編輯 ]

作者: 木土土 時間: 08-6-12 21:02

我絕對接受他人唔認同我的想法! 我always都係話"我覺得.. 我認為..', 人人都可以表達自己的想法!

原文章由 almom 於 08-6-12 20:30 發表

我冇斷章取義。
我絕對唔認同 "國際學校既top tier學生有能力的都會選擇去美國一流學府"。
都係一句，點解一定要去美國？英國法國德國都有一流學府。
可能你覺得美國的一流學府就係你個人首選，但係我有好多朋友，到今時今 ...

[ 本文章最後由木土土於 08-6-12 21:11 編輯 ]

作者: 木土土 時間: 08-6-12 22:05

我明明話咗main word唔係'美國', 而係'一流學府', 真係, 唉...........................................

原文章由 almom 於 08-6-12 20:30 發表
..你中意美國 ...

作者: almom 時間: 08-6-14 21:55

原文章由 木土土 於 08-6-12 22:05 發表
我明明話咗main word唔係'美國', 而係'一流學府', 真係, 唉...........................................

你自己中意 "美國一流學府" ，亦大把人中意英國法國德國甚至中國的 "一流學府"。
我係叫你唔好將自己的睇法，當人地個個都同你一樣。
明唔明？

作者: father_ho 時間: 08-6-16 15:04

The mentioned student actually doesn't understand the essence of IB and see it as just another exam.. Of course it is an exam. but it does has an objective to "push" the student to realise a boarden knowledge especially towards the social science context. The importance is not the mark itself but rather the process of acquiring and respecting the knowledge/information.
Let's take an example, recently my daughter said she is interested in Fashion design, my reply is before you go for it, you need to at least know the European, Japanese and Chinese culture. Before you get those information, you need to realise their language and habit first. Can you imagine how a local exam. driven student could have the share time to do so? it is no marks or cert. reward and could their parent allow them to do so? The meaning of IB exam. is just a tools to boarden their eyesight by studying what they interested in and giving some "reward". Please don't argue IB has it's scope, it just guarantee the student not go too far from comparsion.

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