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作者: broadband 時間: 08-1-10 17:41 標題: 國際學校學生點提高中文水準

我有想過俾個女讀國際學校,但怕佢中文會唔好. 因中國係世界既地位越來越高,好多外國人都學中文.聽講好多國際學校既學生中文都只係識睇唔識寫,請問你地點提高子女既中文水準.有無小朋友中文程度可以同傳統學校差不多?

作者: foolish.mom 時間: 08-1-10 17:54

My kid is studying in Yew Chung International School Upper Primary. His Chinese standard is comparable to local school.

作者: JennyL 時間: 08-1-10 20:43

It is unrealistic to expect the Chinese language standard of international schools to be comparable local schools. There have been a lot of discussion on this issue previously. You might want to check out some of the older topics.

If you are so concerned with the Chinese standard, you might want to consider those international schools that claim to be bilingual or even DSS like CKY instead. However, there is always a trade off. They do spend more time on Chinese and do have better environment for Chinese. But the English environment might not be as strong.

[ 本文章最後由 JennyL 於 08-1-10 21:56 編輯 ]

作者: Yau_Cheung 時間: 08-1-10 21:26

原文章由 JennyL 於 08-1-10 20:43 發表
It is unrealistic to expect the Chinese language standard of international schools to be comparable local schools. There have been a lot of discussion on this issue previously. You might want to check ...

Agree. Maybe you can also consider VSA.

作者: broadband 時間: 08-1-11 10:48

JennyL,

The reason for me to consider inter'l school is the atmosphere and the culture. So, I do't like those billingual schools with more than 90% are local students.

Is there any student learn Chinese from any institution after school and the standard is very high now?

原文章由 JennyL 於 08-1-10 20:43 發表
It is unrealistic to expect the Chinese language standard of international schools to be comparable local schools. There have been a lot of discussion on this issue previously. You might want to check ...

作者: WYmom 時間: 08-1-11 11:25

原文章由 broadband 於 08-1-11 10:48 發表
JennyL,

The reason for me to consider inter'l school is the atmosphere and the culture. So, I do't like those billingual schools with more than 90% are local students.

Is there any student learn Chi ...

Maybe you can try CIS (Chinese International School) which has higher standard in Chinese.  But they have more Chinese students.

It is very natural.  If you want very high Chinese standard among students, these schools should have more Chinese students.

For ESF, Chinese standard at Shatin College is relatively higher as they have more Chinese students.  Some students will take the first language exam paper in Chinese and will get the bilingual IB Diploma ultimately.  But SC is very full in year 7 and 8 and not sure if they accept applications from non-ESF students.

[ 本文章最後由 WYmom 於 08-1-11 12:19 編輯 ]

作者: WYmom 時間: 08-1-13 09:18 標題: 回覆 #2 broadband 的文章

Below is the news from Apple Daily today for your reference:

外國人眼中的 language of the future
國際學校 Snapshot ：中文變熱門科目
國際學校是國際大趨勢的一面鏡子。中國近年崛起成為大國，幾乎每個國家都要跟中國做生意，中文變成外國人眼中的 language of the future （有前途的語言）。香港的國際學校緊跟潮流改革中文課程，一天上一堂中文課成為學校的新賣點；中文科要不是必須科目，要不就是有八成至九成學生選修的熱門附加語言。　 Snapshot 之六．完結篇　記者：冼麗婷

本報接觸多間國際學校的中文課程主任，他們都受  本地與外籍家長的壓力，要加強中文訓練。英基學校協會因應香港回歸，由原本沒有中文課程的英國  育系統， 97 年開始全面加入每星期兩節的普通話課程。 01 年時針對外籍學童而設的中文課程，高小第 6 班的畢業生只懂 80 個中文字；至 06 年，英基的中文科全面成為小學必修課程，中文課堂增至每周 5 節，外籍學生認識的中文字增加至 341 個，有本地背景的學生則要認識 932 個中文字；中學的第 7 班至第 11 班中文是選修科，有七成半學生選修。

家長盼「買一送一」
中文課程總負責人王小平說：「現在的家長很聰明，想有好的英文，再送好的中文，買一送一。」本地家長送子女入英基或其他國際學校，是不是注定要犧牲中文水平？他承認：「國際學校的中文肯定不能跟本地學校的中文水平比較。」但很有信心學生的中文水平能達到「 working language 」的水平，「為外國大機構擔任駐港或大中華地區的僱員，以中文作基本溝通，肯定沒有問題。」
加拿大國際學校中文部主任盧斌說，該校建校 15 年都有中文課程， 97 年由廣東話轉以普通話  授，幼稚園至初中第 8 班的學生都必須修讀中文，課堂每周有 6 至 7 節，有中文背景的學生入讀「華語班」，使用台灣出版  材；外籍學生學習「你好班」，使用澳洲出版  材。中學的第 9 至 11 班，中文變成選修科，每周 5 節課，全校高中生有八至九成選修。
學生來自世界各地的香港國際學校，開班  授中文時更複雜。該校的中文部  職員人數與上述兩校相若，約有 28 人，全校八至九成學生修讀中文，要照顧的學生人數達 2,200 人。中文部主任張麗超曾是英國國防部外語學校的中文老師，她說：「洋人家長對孩子的中文也很重視，我們要劃分孩子的不同背景施  ，壓力不少。」該校的中文課程由幼稚園開始列為必修科，第 6 班開始成為選修科。
學生來源也比較國際化的德瑞國際學校，中文部是相對地小，中文課程主任賀照輝說，中文部只有 5 位老師，該校除英語作為第一語言外，德語為第一外語，小學第 4 班才開始可以選修中文課，每周 3 節，第 7 至第 9 班則每周四節，選修學生比例近九成。賀照輝說該校也考慮把中文課程轉為必修科：「中文是 language of the future ，很多家長都有這樣的要求。」

耀中學生必修中文
耀中國際學校以中文作賣點，在北京、上海及美國矽谷等地都有分校，由幼稚園至預科的學生都必須修讀中文。中文課程主管呂子德說：「我們不玩香港的遊戲規則，學生只會考 IGCSE 和 IB ，不會考香港會考。」呂子德曾任該校校長，他說該校強調中英雙語  育，不但美國有中文熱潮，近年不少歐洲的國際學校都計劃開辦中文課程，並向該校取經，「曾經有報道指 2010 年，全球以中文作為附加語言的學生人數將達一億人。」

香港主流國際學校中文課程
耀中國際學校
必修：幼稚園－預科　選修：沒有　高中閱讀文學例子：施耐庵《水滸傳》

加拿大國際學校
必修：幼稚園－第 8 班　選修：第 9-11 班　高中閱讀文學例子：阿城《棋王》

香港國際學校
必修：幼稚園－第 5 班　選修：第 6-12 班　高中閱讀文學例子：曹禺《雷雨》

英基學校協會
必修：幼稚園－第 6 班　選修：第 7-11 班　高中閱讀文學例子：魯迅《祥林嫂》

德瑞國際學校
必修：沒有　選修：第 4-11 班　高中閱讀文學例子：巴金《春》

資料來源：各學校中文課程主管

作者: JennyL 時間: 08-1-13 10:07

原文章由 broadband 於 08-1-11 10:48 發表
JennyL,

The reason for me to consider inter'l school is the atmosphere and the culture. So, I do't like those billingual schools with more than 90% are local students.

Is there any student learn Chinese from any institution after school and the standard is very high now?

If you expect any school to be strong in Chinese, you just cannot expect them to have high percentage of western or non local children. This is a fact that you understand.

Many international school students go to afterschool Chinese classes. I think Kumon is a popular and convenient choice since they have centres/tutors in almost all areas in Hong Kong. Some opt for private one on one lessons at home.

作者: JennyL 時間: 08-1-13 10:55

The Apply Daily has quoted a Yiu Chung student as an example of how "successful" the school has been in teaching both Chinese.
I do not doubt that the student has very good Chinese standard, but how about his English? He probably would have no problem at all beating students from local schools but how is his English compared to students in other international schools?
I still think it is a give and take situation. You want to be stronger in Chinese, you need to spend time on learning Chinese. There is just no way to learn a language without spending time on it. If you want to be good at Chinese, you need to spend more time on Chinese. In turn, you are sacrificing your time spent on immersing yourself in English. This may mean less reading in English, which I think is extremely important during primary years.
In my eyes, it is extremely difficult to be truly bilingual in Chinese and English, unless you are to lower your expectation with both languages. Now, then I would rather my children to be really good either Chinese or English, instead of "half a bucket of water" in both.

The 閱讀文學例子 quoted can also be quite misleading. We need to understand that all international schools accept students to join in different year levels. And they divide students in different subgroups during Chinese classes. Those that are good at Chinese are usually those who were once with local school. If a child has always been with an international school since P1 or even since kindergarten, I wonder whether they can still be that good at Chinese when they are in high school.

[ 本文章最後由 JennyL 於 08-1-13 11:06 編輯 ]

作者: Share 時間: 08-1-13 17:21

Yes, Yew Chung is quite good if you can afford it.
My friend's son studied in Yew Chung previously. Then he changed to RC now. His english is quite good. He can communicate with his foreign classmates easily. And his Chinese is much higher. He's boring in Chinese lesson.
So, I highly recommend Yew Chung.
But, it is too expensive.

作者: ffffffff 時間: 08-1-13 23:56 標題: 國際學校學生點提高中文水準

我開頭都驚如果比個仔讀國際學校,是否不懂中文及寫中文,如果係我就可能唔會比佢讀國際學校,因我希望佢識英文及中文,到到最後差不多開學我終於confirm到依家呢間學校用本地學校中文課程授課,我就安心報名,個仔返咗year 1几個月,開始同我講吓英文對答,雖然經常用詞不當,但都几得意,因佢起碼肯講,而個仔D中文都唔差,因用本地中文教科書授課,根本同本地學校學生D中文程度一樣,打開本書讀普通話好過好多大人.所以現今讀國際學校就無以前聽人講話唔識中文咁擔心.

作者: almom 時間: 08-1-14 11:31

原文章由 Share 於 08-1-13 17:21 發表
Yes, Yew Chung is quite good if you can afford it.
My friend's son studied in Yew Chung previously. Then he changed to RC now. His english is quite good. He can communicate with his foreign classmate ...

As far as I understand, almost all students at Yew Chung are local Hong Kong Chinese. The main spoken language outside classrooms at school is Cantonese. The school is unable to make students speak English more since many students are not willing to and not able to do so. I heard that the majority of teachers in secondary section are local Hong Kong Chinese with typical "Honglish" accent (and grammar). Although I am sure there must be exceptions. But I would have reservations in saying whether their English standard in general is that "good". To me, it seems to be more like a local school with English as language of teaching.

作者: Share 時間: 08-1-14 14:49

First of all, my son is not study in Yew Chung. I have not connect with Yew Chung.
Regarding "Honglish " accent.
I cannot say it is general case or not. But I know 2 boys from Yew Chung. Both of them can speak fluent English.
The elder one is 17 years old. Actually his Cantonese accent is a bit like a foreigner. And I think it is very strange to spend so much money to learn such kind of Cantonese.

作者: warrrren 時間: 08-1-14 17:05

原文章由 almom 於 08-1-14 11:31 發表
As far as I understand, almost all students at Yew Chung are local Hong Kong Chinese. The main spoken language outside classrooms at school is Cantonese. The school is unable to make students speak ...

It may well be true that most Yew Chung parents are local Chinese. Yet, speaking of my own experience (your mileage may well be different), quite a number of those "local" Chinese are more gweilo than gweilos.

As for whether a school or a parent is "local" or "international", different people have different criteria. To say that one school is more international than another because there are fewer Chinese there is oversimplification. To me, what matter are - the size and the no. of TV sets in the families, the hours the parents have themselves exposed under the sun, the no. of concerts attended by the parents, the books the parents read, the songs the parents listen to, the games the parents watch. A parent who cares about what is happening in Kenya, knows who Arvo Part is and listen to 阿炳 playing 二泉映月 after watching The Ashes is more international.

And, BTW, I am not a YC parent.

[ 本文章最後由 warrrren 於 08-1-14 18:09 編輯 ]

作者: foolish.mom 時間: 08-1-14 19:37

The Yew Chung alumni on Apple Daily who is very good in Chinese in not the only example. In my kid's year, a lot of students are very good in English, some of the students are very good in Chinese, and a few of them are very good in both English and Chinese. If they didn't choose Yew Chung from the very beginning, and have chosen other IS or local schools, how would they find out that their children can become truly bilingual? I admit that not all children can achieve high standards in both languages. If the kid is talented in language, it is really worthwhile to invest in Yew Chung.

作者: freshman 時間: 08-1-14 20:01

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作者: almom 時間: 08-1-14 21:18

My comments were made from my own observations and from information provided by people who still have children with Yew Chung. I agree that different people have different criteria. So I have my own too.
I think the one thing I would definitely look for in an international school would be the English language environment. Then, I would also be looking for the culture and life style of students in the school. What are the favourite pop idols -- Eason Chan or Daniel Powter? What are the favourite tv series -- TVB dramas or Monk? What do the students do afterschoo -- shopping at Festival Walk or basketball?
I still think Yew Chung is more like a local school to me.

PS. Is it a rule that a person has to declare whether his/her child is with a school when he/she is posting comments about the school? OK, then, I hereby declare that my children are not Yew Chung students; but I do have friends who still have children with Yew Chung.

作者: warrrren 時間: 08-1-15 09:42

原文章由 almom 於 08-1-14 21:18 發表
I think the one thing I would definitely look for in an international school would be the English language environment. Then, I would also be looking for the culture and life style of students in the school. What are the favourite pop idols -- Eason Chan or Daniel Powter? What are the favourite tv series -- TVB dramas or Monk? What do the students do afterschoo -- shopping at Festival Walk or basketball?
I still think Yew Chung is more like a local school to me.

Good morning almon,

Good to wake up and see that we are on the same wavelength. I agree to everything you said, save that I do not share your conclusion that YC is more like a local school - I just don't know YC well enough to come to such conclusion.

[ 本文章最後由 warrrren 於 08-1-15 09:49 編輯 ]

作者: almom 時間: 08-1-16 10:19

warrran,
I do not just know. I asked around and even visited schools.
Yew Chung students simply lack the agility, the sportiness, etc that you see in the eyes of children (Chinese or western) under western education.
Education is a package deal. It is not only the language environment. It is also the culture and you need to be immersed in it to be part of it.
Different people have different needs. I know that Yew Chung is an extremely popular schools. I heard that they have long waiting list and I do think the Yew Chung would be a good choice for those who need a "fastpass" from local school to international school education.

作者: warrrren 時間: 08-1-16 11:44

原文章由 almom 於 08-1-16 10:19 發表
Yew Chung students simply lack the agility, the sportiness, etc that you see in the eyes of children (Chinese or western) under western education. Education is a package deal. It is not only the language environment. It is also the culture and you need to be immersed in it to be part of it.
Different people have different needs. I know that Yew Chung is an extremely popular schools. I heard that they have long waiting list and I do think the Yew Chung would be a good choice for those who need a "fastpass" from local school to international school education.

Hi almon,

As I said in my earlier post, I don't see any significant disagreement between us.  Somehow I agree to what you said above, but I would agree more if you added "Some" before "Yew Chung students".

I guess I failed to make myself very clear.  The point that I made (or I thought I have made) in my message #14 is that it is unsafe to conclude that a school is more like a local school simply because most of the students there are Chinese and speak less than perfect English.  That is, to me, elevating the importance of English to too high a level.  If you say the students lack the agility, sportive outlook etc, fine, I will agree.  No problem.  But English and race, highly relevant though, are not the only factors.  I am probably 10 times more "international" than the perfect English speaking BBC (British born Chinese) next door who works for me; and my Indian neighbour who speaks horrible English (with a very heavy Punjabi accent) is probably 10 times more international than I am.

Good Day.

P.S. Talking about fastpass, a space mountain ride is fun to all.  I don't care whether the ridders are holding a fastpass or slowpass or whatever pass.  Good to those who are lucky enougt to get on the ride with a privileged goldpass.  If more can join the ride with a fastpass, even better.  Let's have fun together and enjoy the ride.

[ 本文章最後由 warrrren 於 08-1-16 12:11 編輯 ]

作者: almom 時間: 08-1-16 15:05

warrrren,
Everyone's considerations are different. You and I probably have different expectation. I am not here to look for agreements so it is perfectly fine if you do not concur with my views.
I probably have not put it in a better way. I also believe that English and race are not the ONLY factors. But these are some of the factors that would affect parents' decisions.
It also seems that you misunderstood me regarding my fastpass theory. I have no problem with who goes to which school. The beauty of this city is that, there are different choices. However, space mountain is just not for everyone. If you are giving out fastpass without considering whether the rider should go on with the ride, I am not so sure whether it is really "lucky" for the rider.
Anyway, I think it not wise to discuss further about Yew Chung. It seems to be a taboo in BK.

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