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作者: 美人一號 時間: 07-12-20 17:58 標題: DG定SPCC好？

兩間都好學校，如果地點不是重要考慮因素，點解好？

作者: charwes 時間: 07-12-20 18:09

最怕呢類比較 topic, 講講下就會開戰....

其實既然兩間都係好學校, 點揀都唔會錯得去邊啦, 何必又開個 honeypot 製造 potential conflict?

原文章由 美人一號 於 07-12-20 17:58 發表
兩間都好學校，如果地點不是重要考慮因素，點解好？

作者: 林嗅四 時間: 07-12-20 18:16

美人一號
congrad...

原文章由 美人一號 於 07-12-20 17:58 發表
兩間都好學校，如果地點不是重要考慮因素，點解好？

作者: 小LEGO老豆 時間: 07-12-20 18:21

個人意見:
如果係我, 會揀SPCC.

作者: 美人一號 時間: 07-12-20 18:25

開唔開戰好視乎個人質素，係要攪事的話，乜都可以有得駁！
其實TOPIC既野，合心水就睇，唔合心水就算！

作者: 大頭蝦 時間: 07-12-20 19:45

DG is better

作者: Yau_Cheung 時間: 07-12-20 22:32

For me, I will choose DGJS.

作者: papadad 時間: 07-12-20 23:09

Of course SPCC. Coeducation is better for children.

作者: chanwk 時間: 07-12-20 23:26 標題: 回覆 #5 美人一號的文章

agree.不覺得這個topic有什麽potential
conflict,可能有人會覺得這些topic 有点show off ,但講真在bk裹的discussion，互不相識 show off 有什麽意義呢,我覺得你都係想聽意見的，言歸正傳，如果我係你我就會諗放棄哪一間比較可惜，憑直覺作決定

作者: TL128 時間: 07-12-20 23:33

Agree

原文章由 papadad 於 07-12-20 23:09 發表
Of course SPCC. Coeducation is better for children.

作者: charwes 時間: 07-12-20 23:53

可能係我太 alert 吧, 君不見幾個比較學校 topics 都係罵戰收場? 我都希望呢個 topic 唔會吧...

原文章由 chanwk 於 07-12-20 23:26 發表
agree.不覺得這個topic有什麽potential
conflict,可能有人會覺得這些topic 有点show off ,但講真在bk裹的discussion，互不相識 show off 有什麽意義呢,我覺得你都係想聽意見的，言歸正傳，如果我係你我就會諗放棄哪一間比 ...

作者: merrydad 時間: 07-12-21 05:37

見微知處
Just want to share some experience

女拔交表日：
老師們大都相當「嚴肅」，即冇乜笑容，交表時對家長提問回答是一句起兩句止，予人名校果然寧舍不同的感覺。朋友女兒除了成績表外未有準備profile，該收表的老師說：「乜你冇其他野要交嫁拿？」

聖保羅男女交表日：
老師們笑容可恭，副校長親自出來收表，前面有幾個家長交表時有遺漏都續一協助，包括一名操大陸口音的女子填錯晒表，都好有耐性去解釋。

女拔面試日：
面試完畢，沿途出校門外時，女兒稍停下來看一看校內的壁報版及相片，馬上有人走過來說：「如果面試完請盡快離開」當然態度不算差，但係又需唔需要咁緊張。

聖保羅男女面試日：
面試完畢，校園面積可能更細，但未有人催促離場，校內老師們笑容滿意地跟小朋友說再見。

女拔拒收生信：
很環保！半張紙，直接話無法接受你申請。

聖保羅男女拒收生信：
內容詳盡，大致是；貴子弟面試表現優異，只可惜僧多粥少，但香港尚有很多其他出色學校可供選擇，相信小朋友定會物色到其他好學校，也歡迎我們稍後時間再申請。

兩間係頂級學校固然是人所皆知，但聖保羅男女明顯給予人平易近人的感覺，學校作風、處事手法及老師的態度，令家長有信心小朋友必然除了學術上有成就外，品德亦有保證，入到名校仍然能低調及不予人高不可攀之感，是我此類家長最希望的，包括我很多的朋友也有同感。當然，必有人覺得，從一點小事情便下決定太過武斷及表面，但世事往往見微知處，不相伯仲之際，正好從小事中去取所需。而部份性格十分進取的朋友，認為女拔作風果斷，在現今社會更重要，本人當然讚同，這便視乎家長自己的喜愛。

說到這裡，大家可能覺得我一定是被聖保羅男女取錄了，但結果是女拔正取生；聖保羅只被列為後備..

其實bk之受歡迎，是讓家長們有溝通的渠道，可以互相分享，所有意見都只屬參考而無需執著。

作者: sc_mother 時間: 07-12-21 08:48

原文章由 merrydad 於 07-12-21 05:37 發表
見微知處
Just want to share some experience

女拔交表日：
老師們大都相當「嚴肅」，即冇乜笑容，交表時對家長提問回答是一句起兩句止，予人名校果然寧舍不同的感覺。朋友女兒除了成績表外未有準備profile，該收表的老師說： ...

I totally agree.  Below is my opinions for sharing :

The English learning environment in DGJS is better. The
DGJS's girls are very competitive with confidence.

SPCC's resources are better. The school is more
considerate to the concern and feelings of others.  It is a Chinese primary school  putting more emphasis on
Chinese.  The girls are very polite and helpful.

Both will have a new campus with most updated
facillities.  SPCC's new campus will be available in 2008
and DGJS's new campus will be available within three to
four years.

If I were you, I would list out all the important factors that lead to my choice and give marks to two schools
according to these factors.

Different  girls with different personalities and family
backgrounds will have different choices.  I hope the above will give you some  help.

作者: VKwan 時間: 07-12-21 09:21

個個家長都咁既心態就天下太平lu！
之前我至見過有家長比人話show off！

其實大家就係因為互不相識，講說話至百無楚忌。
我自己覺得，同親朋戚友講說話反而要顧及對方處境及感受，
導致有時不能暢欣欲言。

不過呢個世界唔係人人都有咁健康持平的心態！

原文章由 chanwk 於 07-12-20 23:26 發表
agree.不覺得這個topic有什麽potential
conflict,可能有人會覺得這些topic 有点show off ,但講真在bk裹的discussion，互不相識 show off 有什麽意義呢,我覺得你都係想聽意見的，言歸正傳，如果我係你我就會諗放棄哪一間比 ...

作者: VKwan 時間: 07-12-21 09:25

我好同意呢位家長的觀點

呢種思考方法絕對值得參考！
視乎家長想小朋友將來係咩類型的人，或者講，視乎小朋友本身的性格取向如何。

原文章由 merrydad 於 07-12-21 05:37 發表
見微知處
Just want to share some experience

女拔交表日：
老師們大都相當「嚴肅」，即冇乜笑容，交表時對家長提問回答是一句起兩句止，予人名校果然寧舍不同的感覺。朋友女兒除了成績表外未有準備profile，該收表的老師說： ...

作者: VKwan 時間: 07-12-21 09:29

merrydad
比你講到我好鬼中意spcc添！做乜我預早唔識得去報呢間呢？
我淨係一味覺得間學校遠！我真係失敗

唔知第日有冇得考插班呢？

原文章由 merrydad 於 07-12-21 05:37 發表
見微知處
Just want to share some experience

女拔交表日：
老師們大都相當「嚴肅」，即冇乜笑容，交表時對家長提問回答是一句起兩句止，予人名校果然寧舍不同的感覺。朋友女兒除了成績表外未有準備profile，該收表的老師說： ...

作者: zhuma 時間: 07-12-21 12:09

原文章由 merrydad 於 07-12-21 05:37 發表
見微知處
Just want to share some experience

女拔交表日：
老師們大都相當「嚴肅」，即冇乜笑容，交表時對家長提問回答是一句起兩句止，予人名校果然寧舍不同的感覺。朋友女兒除了成績表外未有準備profile，該收表的老師說： ...

I totally agree with Merrydad's analysis on both schools. Although the academic achivements from both schools are very outstanding , the characters cultivated are bit different though. The DG girls are more competitive and tend to excel in many areas, the SPCC students are relatively modest and easy to work with (my own observation only as I knew quite a no. of kids and adults from both schools).

We went through the same hassle last year, apart from the location-wise consideration, we put our kid in the school which we believe her/our character will be easily fit-in. Now we are absolutely has no regret about the choice we made, each school day is the happy day for my kid.

作者: BillieBug 時間: 07-12-21 12:35

merrydad 的意見很實在, 很客觀, 我亦非常欣賞SPCC由校長到clerical staff 的誠懇及謙和態度, 真是有修養的表現, 完全尊重申請人, 不似一些名校的校職員的咀臉, 好像令你感覺很不被尊重, 我不太喜歡被他們呼喝, 而SPCC的面試過程均見staff笑意盈盈的, 沒有不耐煩的表現! 最難得的是連學生也對你點頭, 很有禮貌, 當時是在洗手間,沒有老師在場的, 我當時諗如果阿仔也可如此behaved就好了!
若我有得選擇, 我一定選SPCC, 因我希望我的孩子出色之餘,也要謙虛及懂得體恤其他人, 追求"叻"真:) 不是一切的!

作者: 美人一號 時間: 07-12-21 12:53

剛有朋友來電，她女兒正讀小二，她們去看過dg在將軍奧的臨時校舍，覺得相當舊，而且唔就腳，當然大家在決擇中的家長應該親身去睇下，每人對新舊要求不一。
原先我覺得新舊問題不大，反正只是三年，但朋友意見係如同spcc比，大家同時小一起步，spcc的新校舍相對下，始終會提供到較佳的硬件給小朋友，尤其是初入小學。
不妨參考

作者: sallykkma 時間: 07-12-21 15:04

跟上面差不多, 師生的感覺都是SPCC好一點.

作者: yanpama 時間: 07-12-21 16:07

原文章由 merrydad 於 07-12-21 05:37 發表
見微知處
Just want to share some experience

女拔交表日：
老師們大都相當「嚴肅」，即冇乜笑容，交表時對家長提問回答是一句起兩句止，予人名校果然寧舍不同的感覺。朋友女兒除了成績表外未有準備profile，該收表的老師說： ...

I so appreciate your open-minded attitude. I have come across with so many parents who would not take a word against their kids' schools.
Other than "famous" and good academic results, I think quality parents and schoolmates, modesty and integrity are also very important for choosing school for children. As BillieBug said, ability does not mean everything.

Anyone can comment on the peers (both parents and kids) of the two schools?

thanks!

作者: piyopiyohoho 時間: 07-12-21 17:25

Hi 美人一號,

Ha Ha, at last, you've got the same problem as mine (DGS vs SPCC and DBS vs SPCC). The question has tortured me for a week and I am sure it will go on for the coming 6 months. 所以都唔知應唔應該恭喜你好.

I couldn’t agree more with the observations and comments about SPCC from Merrydad, billiebug, sc mother and zhuma. If I have to give up SPCC, I may even feel guilty for declining Ms Lee who has been very sincere throughout the process from the briefing session to the 2nd in. People say SPCC is a 貴族學校 (in fact it is - especially if you know whose grandchild will be attending G1 in 2008/09), 但貴族得來有品, 所以我服得五體投地 and I am confident that my son will not be treated unfairly just because he comes from an ordinary family. I have also had some less-than-happy experience regarding the attitude of DBS staff. I am sure most will feel the same from DGS girls and DBS boys (esp. boys) that they are a bit “吋”, though one may interpret that as enthusiastically confident. That said, I haven’t made up my mind as DBS does have some qualities one may not be able to find from SPCC.

If I remember correctly, you also have a younger son. Ms Lee did ask us during the 2nd in if my son has any siblings. There is a very good chance that your son will also be accepted by SPCC. Physical environment of the campus does matter, in particular for children in their early childhood. Last but not least, I would say boys in a boys’ school are “Oker” than girls in a girl school.

Anyway, I think you have already chosen. You are simply asking for a little more encouragement to convince yourself. Here you are - if I had a daughter, I would choose SPCC.

作者: 美人一號 時間: 07-12-21 17:31

hoho,billie

肯定一點，就係spcc的收生中，不乏你們這些傾得來的nice parent！
billie應該係揀spcc了，你呢hoho？你似乎仲多野考慮過我

作者: Sweetsmile1 時間: 07-12-22 02:35

美人一號,
To understand more, I visited both schools for a few times to observe the students, parents and school staff. I share same view of Merrydad on DGS Vs SPCC and with more of my experience that is not good to quote. I keep on asking myself which one I like. Based on our child character, our wish of her personality, the style of our 13-year partners - teachers and other parents (no good or bad and not for all), I can get my answer before I was informed to have 2nd interview.

However, I can also see DGS in another angle - girls are competitive, bossy and inch because the school intends to develop them like this and the training is effective and successful. They are self-discipline & confidence with good results. i.e. DGS as good as SPCC. Only thing I suggest is to arrange extra course to develop their interpersonal skills for balance growth.

If you still not make up your mind, try to go to both school for 20 - 30 min, stand silent and observe what they are doing and how they interact each other, maybe, you will find your answer.

If u decide, let's know & c if we can be classmate parents.
Hope Merrydad's girl can go to SPCC because I knew oneof my friends already give up SPCC.

I like the parents in this topics - nice, humble & rationale.

作者: Albatross 時間: 07-12-22 10:33

A friend of mine (in the 40s) got married with a DGS graduate. He told me this experience the other day.

One year, the couple went to a reunion of his wife's classmates. One third of the classmates were married, about half having kids. For others, they were either divorced or single.

I have worked/met with some DGS graduates. The percentage of the first class is lower.

Guess they are too smart to live with stupid males.

作者: 巴菲特 時間: 07-12-22 10:55

Only concern is:

女拔中學排名向來高，甚至高過spcc！

作者: merrydad 時間: 07-12-22 11:24

我常覺得此類排名很壟統，只計會考的多優生成績，十優生多並不代表一切，整體成績才重要，而整體成績相信SPCC/DGS都不相伯仲。不過真的要說排名，你也可參考：
http://www.singtao.com/yesterday/edu/0809go04.html

去年DGS其實未有出到一個十優生，是否代表學校水準忽然低了？SPCC倒是共有2男1女有十優。當然不可以這樣計。

值得給你參考的是，文中這位從國內到港於無名氣的學校去考插班的女學生，其實都曾經去插班考DGS但未有被取錄。反而常予人貴族的SPCC取錄了她，可見學校愛材之心未有計較背景，這名女學生是我親戚的女兒，她對SPCC評價極高，不只是學術成就，校內氣氛更是人人平等。

作者: sumyinmama 時間: 07-12-22 14:15

merrydad,
小女情況同你囡囡情況一樣﹗

我都好鍾意SPCC，不過都係 waiting﹗ 你會唔會期待住SPCC 既好消息呢？
sumyinmama

作者: merrydad 時間: 07-12-22 14:37

我相信要待六月才會再通知。目前會先註dgs，祝你聖誕快樂，快些有好消息

作者: philosopher 時間: 07-12-22 23:32

Allow me to contribute my two cents here.

Now that the results have come out, there is naturally a rather euphoric, self-congratulatory feeling on bk among parents whose kids have got into private/DSS elite schools. The point I want to make is that instead of exchanging theories here, parents should speak directly to those who have kids i those schools.    Exchanges here rarely bring out the true picture.  Let me explain why.

From what I observe here, there are not a lot of real "insiders" from the elite schools who post topics here to elabrate on the downside of the operation, curriculum, culture of the schools.  I don't think I need to explain why.  Posts here from insiders (which are very small in numbers anyway) tend to be posts who say good things about a school: these do not tell us a lot.

But there are one or two things which I can guess about most if not all elite private/DSS schools: a lot of parents here say "school A must be a very fair school who accepts students purely on merits, because his/her kid (with no connections) could get in".  That is not logical at all. It is only fair (and if I were the principal, I would do the same - no need to be politically correct about it) that there are certain "quotas" for different category of people: alumni, siblings, people with strong "support", people with no connections but who had impressed the interviewer in particular respects. The size of the quota may differ, but it would be "too simple, sometimes naive" to think that there is no such thing (I personally think it is a good idea to take a certain number of children of alumni because this can preserve the culture and spirit of a school - a school has no soul if its students has no sense of its past and its spirit - if a school takes students purely on merits it will become a shop). So let us not kid ourselves by thinking that because a school has taken a student from an ordinary family, it is necessariy a "meritocratic" school.  No school is entirely meritocratic.

So, my two words of advice, personally speak to people who know.

作者: InitialD 時間: 07-12-22 23:54

Both are top school in HK and the output from these two school are very sucessful in the society but the development process is different and the "character" is also different. I think there is an answer in your mind before you submit the applications. Your intention is to get 2nd opion to support your decision. I am certain whatever you make will be your "best choice", god bless you.

作者: yukico 時間: 07-12-23 00:00

原文章由 merrydad 於 07-12-21 05:37 發表
見微知處
Just want to share some experience

女拔交表日：
老師們大都相當「嚴肅」，即冇乜笑容，交表時對家長提問回答是一句起兩句止，予人名校果然寧舍不同的感覺。朋友女兒除了成績表外未有準備profile，該收表的老師說： ...

Merrydad,

你知道嗎? 幫女拔收表的並非老師, 而是一班義工媽媽. 她們對學校的收生標準並不知情, 相信不容易給予考生家長滿意答覆; 今年學校規定每位考生最多可附帶5頁附件, 如你朋友的女兒除成績表外, 未有其他資料, 我猜那位收表的媽媽只是出於好心, 想提提你朋友而已, 別介意.

作者: anxiousparent 時間: 07-12-23 08:23 標題: 回覆 #30 philosopher 的文章

same old topic.

I largely agree about characters of graduates.

disagree about "treatment" of parents. (talk to more people la: I agree here with philosopher and yukico).

Disagree that you can judge a school by the way they send rejection/acceptance letter (the point reflects a preconceived spin in the mindof the author).  When Oxford accepts you it send one page.  When a community college in the USA accepts you it sends you a glossy brochure. just cannot compare this way)

agree about temporary inconvenience.  But if a school is good enough, I would place little weight on convenience.  Otherwise, never send your kids abroad, since it is so inconvenient.

作者: sumyinmama 時間: 07-12-23 13:02

merrydad,
我地因為懶得搬，可能都係決定dgs, 希望你有好消息﹗祝聖誕快樂﹗

sumyinmama

原文章由 merrydad 於 07-12-22 14:37 發表
我相信要待六月才會再通知。目前會先註dgs，祝你聖誕快樂，快些有好消息

作者: step_mama 時間: 07-12-24 23:54

55我都覺:D

作者: I_sister 時間: 07-12-25 15:49

唔清楚小學既情況,但係由於校外活動,
我同Co-Ed同DG中學既同學相處過唔少次~

我覺得SPCC既同學對人友善d,
好似討論時,
肯聽人講完野,之後先發表自己既意見,
DG既就有佢講冇人講,
雖然內容係好好,但係比人唔太禮貌既感覺~

仲有SPCC既同學做野好有交帶,
例如分左工各自返屋企搵資料,
set左個deadline,佢地會之前幾日已經交到野,
但係DG既五個有三個過左限期都交唔到野~

另外就係,活動進行緊,同放break時,
DG既同學好明顯地自成一角,
唔會主動同其他學校既人一齊,
上年我去過一個活動,
安排完全唔同學校既同學一組,
但係DG既會成日走返埋一齊,離開編比佢果組,
無獨有偶,
參加既四個SPCC同學相反地
好主動帶領同認識新識既、唔同學校既同學,
個人認為DG既同學唔太喜歡非Diocesan人,
但係SPCC既同學開放d,會肯認識多d其他人~

活動完左,大家約返出黎見面re-u,傾下近況,
SPCC既好樂意,到而家已一年感情仲好好,
DG既就次次都話唔得閒,斷左聯絡,
個人認為DG既同學好似較難相處,有架子~

我參加過三、四個呢類校外聯校活動,
睇到既都係咁,可能咁啱得咁橋啦~

(個人看法,無意冒犯)

作者: BillieBug 時間: 07-12-27 10:42

你的觀察，我也有些感受，做事咁耐，都領教過唔少dg 同僚及上司的做事及相處方式, 真係幾難頂, 雖則不能一竹篙打一船人, 但佢地果種有佢講冇人講,同"果斷"既獨特style, 就似係train出來的, 而且佢地比我既印象,係佢地根本不需要同人商量/打交道與建立關係的感覺!
冇錯,佢地都係叻的, 可獨當一面及很能幹, 但係你會覺得同佢一起唔舒服, 理所當然, 佢地大部分都係single既!

Just gossip! Don't be serious!

原文章由 I_sister 於 07-12-25 15:49 發表
唔清楚小學既情況,但係由於校外活動,
我同Co-Ed同DG中學既同學相處過唔少次~

我覺得SPCC既同學對人友善d,
好似討論時,
肯聽人講完野,之後先發表自己既意見,
DG既就有佢講冇人講,
雖然內容係好好,但係比人唔太禮貌既 ...

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