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作者: sirlo 時間: 07-11-18 23:46 標題: Who is reading or Who are reading?
亞女學校本Workbook,
問題 Who is reading? 答 Sue and Jill are reading.
亞Sir堅持要改為Who are reading?
亞Sir話如果睇住幅圖畫問, 問題最好用Who are .......?
但本書例句都寫Who is standing under the tree?
唔通本書印錯??
被亞女問到口啞,叫她信亞Sir 定信書? 因為什麽原因?
請各位幫幫忙!!
如看不到下圖,請按下面連結:
http://aycu26.webshots.com/image/34825/2005177799256163055_rs.jpg
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作者: 鳳梨 時間: 07-11-19 02:37
又好obvious, 因例句都係用is,
通常係你對住一班人問, who are you reading ? 因你知唔係只一個人係處reading..
但如果根據picture去問, 通常都係用單數, 因你係假設答案係單數or even 係 0.
但如果題目己比左answer, 要你寫question, 我就會用are
我覺得係亞sir唔岩
原文章由 sirlo 於 07-11-18 23:46 硐表 
亞女學校本Workbook,
問題 Who is reading? 答 Sue and Jill are reading.
亞Sir堅持要改為Who are reading?
亞Sir話如果睇住幅圖畫問, 問題最好用Who are .......?
但本書例句都寫Who is standing under the tree? ...
[ 本文章最後由 鳳梨 於 07-11-19 02:39 編輯 ]
作者: overview 時間: 07-11-19 10:50
Since it does not provide the answer first, I would use "is" instead of "are" to ask a question.
原文章由 鳳梨 於 07-11-19 02:37 硐表
又好obvious, 因例句都係用is,
通常係你對住一班人問, who are you reading ? 因你知唔係只一個人係處reading..
但如果根據picture去問, 通常都係用單數, 因你係假設答案係單數or even 係 0.
但如果題目己比左ans ...
作者: 塞曼莎 時間: 07-11-19 11:55
其實,亞Sir的堅持是對,明明見到兩個人,當然是"are",唔見到就冇得好講.
書是死的,它只是助你學習,人都可以出錯,為何書唔可以錯呢!!最要緊是明白幾時用咩,如果一天亞Sir教錯的話,你會點處理呢!!堅持定
為分數呢
題外話,其實有些書所寫/用的英文都好本地(中國英文), such as Longman 的英數文字題
作者: 麟媽媽 時間: 07-11-19 11:59
有圖當然跟圖啦！
有２個人一齊睇緊書架嘛。
作者: odelia_ho 時間: 07-11-19 12:48
照睇, 係因為本書既例題出錯, 以致引導答錯, 有圖為証, 我認為應該用Who are.
原文章由 sirlo 於 07-11-18 23:46 硐表
亞女學校本Workbook,
問題 Who is reading? 答 Sue and Jill are reading.
亞Sir堅持要改為Who are reading?
亞Sir話如果睇住幅圖畫問, 問題最好用Who are .......?
但本書例句都寫Who is standing under the tree? ...
作者: wnanama 時間: 07-11-19 13:38
I vote for: Who is reading.....?
作者: ckwliu 時間: 07-11-19 13:54
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作者: Fion_Chan 時間: 07-11-19 14:09
原文章由 wnanama 於 07-11-19 13:38 硐表
I vote for: Who is reading.....?
Me too. 其實我覺得兩個都岩，但都未知有幾多個，用is，例句都係咁。如果例句用are，我就set個situation係問的人係睇住幅圖，就用are。
如果亞女問到我啞，我會話兩個都岩，(支持亞女原來睇法，等佢不失自信)但尊重阿sir，都要照改正，考試測驗遇到就用自己認為對的答法，到時就不一定錯(有主任呀咁screen答案嘛，應該，不清晰的應出唔到街)，如果真係又錯，只有話唔好彩
唔知呢度有無小學教師，我覺得而家D家長，好多都讀過下書，呢類語焉不詳題目答案，不是話答案係咁，就要人接受。
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作者: Jsmami 時間: 07-11-19 22:29
One should always use "who is reading?" in generic sense cos u are not supposed to know the answer (that there are more than 1 person reading) when u ask the question. Hence, given u see the picture to ask "who are" is absolutely bizzare.
So the example "who is standing under the three?" is correct. The teacher twisted the question to match the answer is wrong. I suggest to discuss this with the teacher, though I won't expect the teacher to admit he is wrong. At least he feels the urge to be more cautious next time cos some parents' english could be better than his.
作者: Sindy 時間: 07-11-20 00:21
原文章由 sirlo 於 07-11-18 23:46 硐表
亞女學校本Workbook,
問題 Who is reading? 答 Sue and Jill are reading.
亞Sir堅持要改為Who are reading?
亞Sir話如果睇住幅圖畫問, 問題最好用Who are .......?
但本書例句都寫Who is standing under the tree? ...
佢寫明'Look at the picture',我覺得係'who are reading'
作者: christf 時間: 07-11-20 08:59
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作者: jk67jk 時間: 07-11-20 10:01
Just a little opinion.
I do think the example is wrong when we are refering to the picture to give answer to this exercises, as some of you already have said.
Some insists that when you are asking such a question, we should use "Who is" as we don't know (assuming don't know) how many persons are involved.
However, do you think in practical experience, if the door of a Meeting Room is closed and showed "Occupied", even if you didn't hear a sound, you will never ask "Who is in the room?" We still asked, "Who are in the room?" as we will assume a Meeting consists of more than 1 person.
[ 本文章最後由 jk67jk 於 07-11-20 10:08 編輯 ]
作者: Fion_Chan 時間: 07-11-20 13:22 標題: 回覆 #1 jk67jk 的文章
其實宜家大家都覺得若不是老師錯，就是例句錯，咁作為老師是否應處理一下例句是錯的情況呢，明明白白說清楚：例句錯了，為何是錯…，不要混淆小朋友呢？
作者: Unclejt 時間: 07-11-20 19:59
剛才和孩子做功課時，發現他很快也要做這個練習。到時再看老師怎樣說。由我教的話，我會選 are。
作者: 薯蛋頭太太 時間: 07-11-20 21:16 標題: 回覆 #15 jk67jk 的文章
我個小朋友都係用呢本 wb, 答案都係 Who is reading
Sue and Jill are reading
[ 本文章最後由 薯蛋頭太太 於 07-11-20 23:10 編輯 ]
作者: Jsmami 時間: 07-11-20 22:06
christf,
No need to be accusational. Just a discussion. Easy easy. I am prepared my kid won't get full marks in his english homework based on the way I teach him, which I believe is right though may not be so according to his teacher. You have misunderstood what I meant by "given u see the picture to ask that question...." (not your fault, maybe I didn't explain myself clearly)
Last night I almost raised a question. What if we are not given a picture (or that picture in particular), how would u ask the same question - I mean one won't ask "who are reading A book?" One will ask (e.g. a teacher in a class) "who are reading books?" or "who is reading a book?" not "who are reading a book (together)?" I would not ask my question as in the book if I want to know the names of persons reading the book.
As far as your example of "who are standing under the tree?" If I engage in a conversation like that, I probably will ask "who are those standing under the tree?"
For jk67jk, I will still ask "what is in the meeting room?"
Don't shoot me
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作者: weima 時間: 07-11-20 22:48
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作者: sirlo 時間: 07-11-20 23:52
昨晚眼瞓沒上來,見到這麽多回應,先多謝!
今日又知道亞女的同學寫了 Who is reading? 但居然有"tick". 亞女個亞媽便找人把兩份workbook 問老師. 老師說應是 "Who is reading?" 但見到我女那份後, 又說 "Who are reading?" 都是可以. 
天啊! 亞女自求多福吧!
作者: Sindy 時間: 07-11-21 00:31
原文章由 sirlo 於 07-11-20 23:52 硐表
昨晚眼瞓沒上來,見到這麽多回應,先多謝!
今日又知道亞女的同學寫了 Who is reading? 但居然有"tick". 亞女個亞媽便找人把兩份workbook 問老師. 老師說應是 "Who is reading?" 但見到我女那份後, 又說 "Who are ...
你女係邊區讀書呀,如在港島區,可否pm我邊間呀?
唔方便既話,可否知道呢本英文書叫乜名呢?thanks
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作者: Unclejt 時間: 07-11-21 01:06
原文章由 Sindy 於 07-11-21 00:31 硐表
你女係邊區讀書呀,如在港島區,可否pm我邊間呀?
唔方便既話,可否知道呢本英文書叫乜名呢?thanks
My Pals Are Here, 2A, Workbook
作者: Sindy 時間: 07-11-21 01:12
thanks,佢都啱啱 pm左我
原文章由 Unclejt 於 07-11-21 01:06 硐表
My Pals Are Here, 2A, Workbook
作者: sirlo 時間: 07-11-21 01:39
原文章由 Unclejt 於 07-11-20 19:59 硐表
剛才和孩子做功課時，發現他很快也要做這個練習。到時再看老師怎樣說。由我教的話，我會選 are。
Dear Unclejt,
So interesting and could I know the result?
作者: uncleedward 時間: 07-11-21 01:59
There are no grammar rules dictating that "who' must be followed by "is" or "are". The choice depends on the intention of the person asking the question. In this example, the person asking the question clearly sees two persons reading a book together and is interested in knowing who they are. Logically, we use "who are ..." and expect the answer giving out the names of the children reading the book.
作者: Unclejt 時間: 07-11-21 02:10
原文章由 sirlo 於 07-11-21 01:39 硐表
Dear Unclejt,
So interesting and could I know the result?
作者: christf 時間: 07-11-21 09:02
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作者: jk67jk 時間: 07-11-21 09:36
原文章由 Jsmami 於 07-11-20 22:06 硐表
For jk67jk, I will still ask "what is in the meeting room?"
Don't shoot me ...
Jsmami,
Hahaa~ then, I will be expecting an answer like,
"Monsters!" 
作者: Jsmami 時間: 07-11-21 21:37
jk67jk & christf,
My apology. It's a typo. LunMaMa knows my English is not that bad! Of course, it should be "who" instead of "what" 
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Sirlo,
Seeing your response from the teacher is comforting. At least the teacher admits "who is" is not wrong. I am curious which school your daughter is studying at, if u don't mind sending me a PM
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作者: Fion_Chan 時間: 07-11-23 14:04
原文章由 christf 於 07-11-21 23:49 硐表
I am sorry that even "who is" is wrong in this case. It should be "who are"
So the example is absolutely wrong. Should we write to the publisher of My Pals are Here?
作者: 3lamma 時間: 07-11-23 17:43
sirlo,
坦白講, 覺得問題好有趣, 我都想分享.
我會覺得好視乎問人那位是否已知答案, 即用甚麼身份到問.
例如, 我不肯定有那個人在隔離鑽牆, 我會問 who's making that noise?
但如果我是老師, 問小朋友一個問題是老師已知多過一個人的, 我會改用who are making that noise? 來引導學生答多過一個人.
所以妳女女的想法是對的; 老師也有自己的論點, 他認為妳是自問自答, 已知答案便填are.
3lamma
作者: Rham 時間: 07-11-23 21:54
原文章由 Fion_Chan 於 07-11-23 14:04 硐表
So the example is absolutely wrong. Should we write to the publisher of My Pals are Here?
據我所知，"Who is reading?"不單只不是錯，更是唔少 native speaker 的說法，請參看：
What Do You Do with What and Who?
http://literalminded.wordpress.com/2004/07/09/what-do-you-do-with-what-and-who/
”For example, even if I tell you, “A lot of people are coming to my party,” it would sound pretty strange for you to ask, “Really? Who are coming?””
What's the plural to "Who is it"?
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071024125405AAoidUm
"What's going on here is this. "Who" can be treated as a singular form OR as a plural, depending on what you are emphasizing. When you say"Who was at the party?" you are not emphasizing individuals, but 'lumping them all together', or even ignoring the question of how many people (it might be one, it might be many)."
類似情況，不單只 Who 會出現，There 也會出現：
There is and there are
http://eltnotebook.blogspot.com/search?q=plural
我參巧過其他專門討論英語的 forum，似乎多數 native speaker 會用 "Who is it?" 除非因某些原因，你好想特別強調那是眾數。
例如，老師在課堂上問問題，明知大部份人都識答，佢都會用 "Who knows the answer?" 而不是 "Who know the answer?"
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作者: Unclejt 時間: 07-11-23 22:23
原文章由 Rham 於 07-11-23 21:54 硐表
據我所知，"Who is reading?"不單只不是錯，更是唔少 native speaker 的說法，請參看：
What Do You Do with What and Who?
http://literalminded.wordpress.com/2004/07/09/what-do-you-do-with-what-and-who/
”For exa ...
作者: Rham 時間: 07-11-23 22:44
原文章由 Unclejt 於 07-11-23 22:23 硐表
我們可能忘記了這 topic 的主題是：該如何回答一樓那個作業問題。而那問題是 "Look at the picture. Writethree questions about it using who." 當我們 look at the picture時，清清楚楚看到兩個女孩子坐在草地上看書 ...
如我前文所說，即使明知是眾數，不少 native speaker 都係用 "Who is ....?" 請參看以上例子。
好多時語言是活的，文法是死的，習慣用法是這樣就是這樣！當然，"Who are .....?" 絕不是錯，不過有啲 native speaker 會話怪怪哋囉！
作者: christf 時間: 07-11-23 22:58
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作者: Rham 時間: 07-11-23 23:32
原文章由 christf 於 07-11-23 22:58 硐表
Go to check any reasonable dictionaries if you don't believe and you will find the answer is so simple that if you aleady know that you are referring to more than one person, we should use "who are" instead of"who is"
Not all the native speakers speak or write correct. Don't blindly believe on native speakers. Many native speakers always use poor expression, incorrect grammars, wrong spelling... etc.
我以上引的例子（除了 Yahoo answers 那個之外），都是一些咬文嚼字的 native speaker 談論 English language 特性的內容，不是除便周街揾個。
若論 grammar, verb 要 agree with subject. 但當 who, there 等情況，無 subject 可 agree,就要 agree with complement. 這些都是 standard English grammar. 但在 "Who is reading ....?" 的情況，連 complement 都唔知係 singular 定 plural,你用 is/are 便不是 grammar 問題，是 semantics 的問題。
Semantics 的分析比 grammar 要更複雜，好睇你想 emphasize 甚麼。這些情況，字典往往幫不上忙。
你認同又好，唔認同又好，但我的觀察是好多香港人學英文，只懂跟 grammar 書，以為一定只可以有一個"正確"的答案，但這想法其實只是一個神話。
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作者: Jsmami 時間: 07-11-24 08:43
Rham,
Very well said! Thank you.
A mummy here suggested to write to Longman for clarification. I love to see how the editor responds. Is it really his mistake in the example? Having said that, I have spotted mistakes in many english books though.
作者: Rham 時間: 07-11-24 10:25
原文章由 Jsmami 於 07-11-24 08:43 硐表
A mummy here suggested to write to Longman for clarification. I love to see how the editor responds. Is it really his mistake in the example? Having said that, I have spotted mistakes in many english books though.
It's a good idea. I'd love to hear that. The publisher claims that the series has been used in Singapore by almost half of the schools for several years. Considering that the average (I only said average) standard of English in Singapore is higher than that in Hong Kong, it is likely that such problems should have been ironed out already. However, it seems that the one in Hong Kong has been adapted to the Hong Kong environment, it's not sure if it is exactly the same as that in Singapore.
Having said that, yes, it is not uncommon to find mistakes in textbooks, especially those translated ones.
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作者: uncleedward 時間: 07-11-24 22:04 標題: 回覆 #7 Rham 的文章
Dear Rham
I have carefully read the articles you referred to. It seems to me that they support the use of "Who are" in this context.
作者: Rham 時間: 07-11-25 20:29
原文章由 uncleedward 於 07-11-24 22:04 硐表
Dear Rham
I have carefully read the articles you referred to. It seems to me that they support the use of "Who are" in this context.
I am not exactly sure why you say so.
I have just checked englishforums.com, which is a forum for discussion of the usage of English. I check this forum from time to time and learnt quite a lot there. I found a discussion thread related to what we are talking about:
"Who is / are online?"
http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhoIsAreOnline/vgvnw/Post.htm
Be sure to read the second page.
You can also see that using singular is very common in other websites, you can find lots of them by a google search, e.g.
http://teacherfair.byu.edu/student.php
"Who is Coming?
See a list of those employers who are coming in March 2007."
http://www.soaringwords.org/New%20Orleans%20FAQ.htm
Who is coming on the Mission?
Our goal is to have a delegation of SoaringChampions from around the country. The participants will include working professionals who are coming with co-workers and forming company teams ......
Back to the exercise itself, my view is that any grammatically correct sentence that is related to the picture should be acceptable. If you are being imaginative, you can say
"Who is looking at THIS picture?"
(The answer is the teacher!)
Why do you think the question MUST be in concord with the answer? Subject-verb agreement only applies within a sentence. There is no grammar rule saying that a question must agree with the answer.
Imagine when a boss talks to his subordinates.
"Who is the boss?"
"I am the boss!"
He surely wouldn't ask
"Who am the boss?"
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作者: uncleedward 時間: 07-11-26 00:41 標題: 回覆 #1 Rham 的文章
Dear Rham
The topic has turned out to be more interesting than I thought. I cannot help but explain my thinking a bit more.
The following was copied from one of your reference and it summarises the points quite well:
"At first, I thought the problem was that who and what just about always take a singular verb, even if we know we’re talking about more than one who or more than one what. For example, even if I tell you, “A lot of people are coming to my party,” it would sound pretty strange for you to ask, “Really? Who are coming?” And even if I tell you that there were a lot of items on the breakfast buffet, you wouldn’t ask, “What were there?” You’d say “What was there?” The only exception that I can think of is the case where the verb is a form of be, and after it is a plural noun phrase, as in the examples below:
1. Who are these people?
2. Who were they? "
I am not arguing against the use of "is" in "who is coming?" Actually, we have similar usage in Cantonese. If we are holding a party and we will ask "who is coming?" in English and "邊個會嚟?" in Cantonese.
The use of "who is" is called for here because we are not referring to a particular person or persons when we ask the questions. When we use "who are", we are referring to a particular group of persons. You can see another example in the other reference quoted by you.
"Who is online? If you want to see who is online, click on "Who is online".
Who are the users online? If you want to see the users who are online, click on "Users who are online"."
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作者: Rham 時間: 07-11-26 08:16
Dear uncleedward,
正如你之前所講，who 無話必然單數定雙數，在乎你問題的意圖。但我想補充一句，這意圖要在你的問題的其他地方反映出來，因為 subject-verb agreement 是要求個 verb 與你寫了出來的 subject 去 agree，而唔係你心中想而無寫出來的東西 agree.
所以
Look at the girls. Who are they?
這裡一定要用 are，因為 they 是眾數。
但
Who is reading?
習慣上用單數，因為句子中沒有任何東西是眾數。
有些人說 "who" is singular by default.
咁啱，我都想過用"邊個會嚟?"做例子。你問"邊個會嚟?"對方可以答其中一個，兩個或所有人的名字。你問"邊幾個會嚟?"你係期望對方答唔之一個，而且會被人意會為要講晒所有會來的人。
問 "Who is reading?"，答案可以係以下任何一個
Jill is reading.
Sue is reading.
Jill is reading. Sue is reading.
Jill and Sue are reading.
I don't know.
等。
"Who are reading?" 就一定要對方答晒。好似唔係好禮貌咁，所以日常生活好少用。
咁樣講是否 make sense?
作者: christf 時間: 07-11-26 09:13
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作者: uncleedward 時間: 07-11-26 14:41 標題: 回覆 #1 christf 的文章
Just to add one more point. As a lot of people have pointed out, the exercise is for P2 students and we are not supposed to introduce the complexity of advanced grammar and usage at this stage.
In the adult world, we probably would not ask the question in the way as implied in this exercise. We would have stuctured the question differently like:
Two children are reading a book together over there. Who are they?
Who are the children reading a book together over there?
Again, they are too complex for P2 students. Then, we have this exercise with an awkard use of "who are" (or "who is" if one insists).
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作者: Rham 時間: 07-11-26 20:15
原文章由 uncleedward 於 07-11-26 14:41 硐表
Just to add one more point. As a lot of peoplehave pointed out, the exercise is for P2 students and we are notsupposed to introduce the complexity of advanced grammar and usage atthis stage.
We DON'T need to explain the complicated grammar to P2 students. I absolutely agree with you on this.
In the adult world, we probably would not ask the question in the wayas implied in this exercise. We would have stuctured the questiondifferently like:
Two children are reading a book together over there. Who are they?
Who are the children reading a book together over there?
Again, they are too complex for P2 students.
"Who are reading a book together?" is just fine.
Then, we have this exercise with an awkard use of "who are" (or "who is" if one insists).
It doesn't matter what I think. The only thing that matters is what the native speakers actually use in such a situation. I have already quoted numerous examples to show that native speakers would use a singular question even though the answer is certainly plural.
作者: Rham 時間: 07-11-26 20:21
this exercise is just for junior primary students to learn some basicEnglish grammar but not for those scholars to argue on the correct useof English grammar.
The discussions are for those interested in discussing this topic. Not for the P2 students.
As long as the students keep on reading lots of good books and have sufficient exposure to "real life" English, there is no worry and you may not even need to explain the grammar rules to them (yet).
作者: uncleedward 時間: 07-11-27 02:20 標題: 回覆 #2 Rham 的文章
You said:
"'Who are reading a book together?' is just fine.'
I'm afraid it is not exactly fine although it is the answer implied in the exercise. This is classroom English. It can be used when the teacher is pointing at the children in the picture and asking students to answer the question.
We just do not ask questions in this way in real life if we'd like to find out the names of the children reading the book.
Curiously, you were using "are" as well in your question. As you can see, adding "together" to the end of the question already helps explain why "are" instead of "is" is the better answer for this particular question.
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作者: Rham 時間: 07-11-27 08:02
原文章由 uncleedward 於 07-11-27 02:20 硐表
You said:
I'm afraid it is not exactly fine although it is the answer implied in the exercise. This is classroom English. It can be used when the teacher is pointing at the children in the picture and asking students to answer the question.
No, you don't need to point at the children because "reading a book together" is clear enough who you are talking about, assuming you are looking at the picture.
We just do not ask questions in this way in real life if we'd like to find out the names of the children reading the book.
There are so many different ways in real life to talk about the picture. We have only discussed a few of them. My point, from the very beginning, is that we should be open minded and should expect a wide variety of answers instead of insisting on ONE single correct answer.
Curiously, you were using "are" as well in your question. As you can see, adding "together" to the end of the question already helps explain why "are" instead of "is" is the better answer for this particular question.
Yes, I'm glad you noticed that. "together" carries a sense of plurality and that's why "are" is required. This is what I called "agreement".
作者: christf 時間: 07-11-27 09:12
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作者: uncleedward 時間: 07-11-27 12:07 標題: 回覆 #2 Rham 的文章
Dear Rham
Pointing at the picture is just the typical method a teacher uses. As you said, "looking at the picture" is assumed here. It is then in a classroom environment. Believe me, in real life we don't ask questions like this.
Adding "together" helps us see "are" is the BETTER answer for the original question.
I am sorry that I haven't been able to convince you, but that's life.
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作者: christf 時間: 07-11-27 12:34
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作者: Rham 時間: 07-11-27 23:01
原文章由 uncleedward 於 07-11-27 12:07 硐表 Adding "together" helps us see "are" is the BETTER answer for the original question.
I see your point but I'm sorry that I don't agree with you.
原文章由 uncleedward 於 07-11-27 12:07 硐表 I am sorry that I haven't been able to convince you, but that's life.
We don't need to agree, do we? That's exactly what I have been saying from the very beginning. Sometimes, there are better ways to re-write a sentence but sometimes, it is just a matter of how do you perceive the situation. The British and the Amercans often disagree on whether to use singular or plural after a collective noun.
Besides, I think we have different philosophies on what and how to teach the kids. If I were a teacher, I would be pleasantly surprised to get an answer like this:
"Who is jumping? Nobody!"
[ 本文章最後由 Rham 於 07-11-27 23:03 編輯 ]
作者: odelia_ho 時間: 07-12-17 09:16
Dear all,
我問過一位學歷頗高的英國人, 解釋完了我的問題後, 他第一個反應就是要用"Who is reading under the tree". 因為這是一個定律, 沒有得解釋, 冇論見倒有多少人, 都是用Who
is. 但如果要問, 那兩個是甚麼人, 就會用 "Who are the two girls" 就是這樣囉. 要記住這個定律呀.
原文章由 Rham 於 07-11-27 23:01 發表
I see your point but I'm sorry that I don't agree with you.
We don't need to agree, do we? That's exactly what I have been saying from the very beginning. Sometimes, there are better ways to re ...
作者: Rham 時間: 07-12-17 20:42
原文章由 odelia_ho 於 07-12-17 09:16 發表
Dear all,
我問過一位學歷頗高的英國人, 解釋完了我的問題後, 他第一個反應就是要用"Who is reading under the tree". 因為這是一個定律, 沒有得解釋, 冇論見倒有多少人, 都是用Who
is. 但如果要問, 那兩個是甚麼人, 就會用 "Who are the two girls" 就是這樣囉. 要記住這個定律呀.
我都講咗好多次，我問過的 native speakers 都係話即使明知好多人，都係用 "Who is reading?" 點解？都係無得解！但有些人總認為是違反常理，我無話可說，所以都賴得回應某君無禮的指責，我勸你都唔好講咁多，免得被人說 confuse 人！
作者: Jsmami 時間: 07-12-17 21:48
Rham,
"ditto"
作者: Rham 時間: 07-12-17 22:09
原文章由 Jsmami 於 07-12-17 21:48 發表
Rham,
"ditto"
謝謝你的認同。
忍唔住講多句，以小朋友今時今日讀的書的量和我們那一代小時候相比，實在很可笑。若有小朋友今時今日讀的英文書要比我們當年還少的，那才是奇怪，拿這樣東西來誇口的相信就只有那位仁兄了！
作者: Rham 時間: 07-12-17 22:10
原文章由 Jsmami 於 07-12-17 21:48 發表
Rham,
"ditto"
謝謝你的認同。
忍唔住講多句，以小朋友今時今日讀的書的量和我們那一代小時候相比，實在很可笑。若有小朋友今時今日讀的英文書要比我們當年還少的，那才是奇怪，拿這樣東西來誇口的相信就只有那位仁兄了！
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