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標題: 完成中小學後如不出國讀大學, 咁出路係點呢? [打印本頁]
作者: 小兒兒 時間: 07-9-18 13:02 標題: 完成中小學後如不出國讀大學, 咁出路係點呢?
如係真道完成中小學後如不出國讀大學, 咁出路係點呢?
如何考入香港大學呢? 他的學制和一般的有所不同啊!
對不起, 可能我的問題後不知所謂, 但我真的不太明白, sorry.
作者: JYYHMama 時間: 07-9-18 22:48
I was told by a current parent of Logos students that the School will send their students to take the local public examination after completion of Grade 11. Logos will not adopt the IB curriculum. Therefore your child can apply for any university in Hong Kong.
原文章由 小兒兒 於 07-9-18 13:02 硐表 
如係真道完成中小學後如不出國讀大學, 咁出路係點呢?
如何考入香港大學呢? 他的學制和一般的有所不同啊!
對不起, 可能我的問題後不知所謂, 但我真的不太明白, sorry. ...
作者: DS1 時間: 07-9-18 23:16
No la, Logos students will take both Exams. IB first and then the new HK exam in the last year. In fact, you may just use the result of IB to apply for HK University. It is up to you. Just like some people take both GCE and HKCEE in the old days.
作者: 中天英 時間: 07-9-19 01:06
原文章由 DS1 於 07-9-18 23:16 硐表
No la, Logos students will take both Exams. IB first and then the new HK exam in the last year. In fact, you may just use the result of IB to apply for HK University. It is up to you. Just like ...
I am not logos parent but I konw about IB.
IB is much more difficult than the new HK exam. So I don't think it's logical to take IB first and then the local exam.
作者: DS1 時間: 07-9-19 09:35
It just the exam date of IB is earlier than the HK Exam in the same year. It doesn't matter which one is more difficult. Anyway, logos take both exam and many HK international schools only take IB. HK universities will have a scale to compare different exam results and end up with a score of which enable them to compare the performance of different exams.
作者: deniset 時間: 07-9-19 10:42
Students who are currently studying in the secondary section of S2, S3, S4 and S5 will only take the local exam of the HKCEE (the curriciulum is geared towards the HKCEE), whereas the others will take the IBD after their 11th year, i.e. level MS4 of the Mastery Stage. Logos will not participate in the PYP, nor the MYP. It will register with the IBO for the IBD programme in 2008. The new local exam under the new system of 334 is another option, not necessarily mandatory for Logos students.
原文章由 JYYHMama 於 07-9-18 22:48 硐表
I was told by a current parent of Logos students that the School will send their students to take the local public examination after completion of Grade 11. Logos will not adopt the IB curriculum. T ...
作者: JYYHMama 時間: 07-9-19 16:47
Thanks for your clarification. Does it mean Logos will become a IBD school in 2008? Or just a IBD candidate school? Cos it takes five years to change from a IB candidate school to a real IB school.
Thanks again!
原文章由 deniset 於 07-9-19 10:42 硐表
Students who are currently studying in the secondary section of S2, S3, S4 and S5 will only take the local exam of the HKCEE (the curriciulum is geared towards the HKCEE), whereas the others will take ...
作者: deniset 時間: 07-9-19 17:33
IBD candidate, then, IBD school, just in time for the current class of DS4 kids to become the first batch of students to sit for the IBD in the academic year of 2012-2013.
原文章由 JYYHMama 於 07-9-19 16:47 硐表
Thanks for your clarification. Does it mean Logos will become a IBD school in 2008? Or just a IBD candidate school? Cos it takes five years to change from a IB candidate school to a real IB school. ...
作者: KenBaBa 時間: 07-9-19 19:03
Yes, we were informed by the Principal the same as what DS1 and deniset told.
The DS-4 students will be the 1st batch heading for the IBD exam ( provided they choose to do so and pay ) and the compulsory 新高中 Exam. The IBD covers many overseas and local universities while the 新高中 Exam of course only covers the local ones. So if the students got very good results in both exams, then they can choose to have their tertiary education in HK or else where. It appears that attending both exams will be more secure. I also heard that one may even attend another IBD after sitting in the IBD and 新高中 Exams.
[ 本文章最後由 KenBaBa 於 07-9-19 19:05 編輯 ]
作者: 中天英 時間: 07-9-20 00:17
原文章由 KenBaBa 於 07-9-19 19:03 硐表
Yes, we were informed by the Principal the same as what DS1 and deniset told.
The DS-4 students will be the 1st batch heading for the IBD exam ( provided they choose to do so and pay ) and the compul ...
I don't think it's possible and sensible to attend Both the IBD and local exam in the same year.
The IBD requires lots of school-based assement which would occupy tons of student and teachers' time. The IBD requires to study TOK, write a EE and submit CAS. The IBD study materials is very different from local exam ....
I never heard of a student to take IBD and local exam in the same time.
If Logos students really do this, it may be the 1st batch of student to do so in the world.
作者: deniset 時間: 07-9-20 09:31
You've a point and to me absolutely sensible. I would expect my kid to sit only for the IBD but not the local exam.I don't think our principal wants his students to do 2 exams within a period of 3 months. Logos parents will just have to see how the plan is going to be implemented at the end of the day.
原文章由 中天英 於 07-9-20 00:17 硐表
I don't think it's possible and sensible to attend Both the IBD and local exam in the same year.
The IBD requires lots of school-based assement which would occupy tons of student and teachers' time ...
作者: 小兒兒 時間: 07-9-21 14:12
原文章由 deniset 於 07-9-20 09:31 硐表
You've a point and to me absolutely sensible. I would expect my kid to sit only for the IBD but not the local exam.I don't think our principal wants his students to do 2 exams within a period of 3 mon ...
我找到資料了. 資料來自http://www.haomama.com/hmm/contentHP.htm?content_id=e37f0c01-f587-4f5f-978c-b77aa2733280
以專題研習
代替考試
問﹕學校注重專題研習，不注重傳統課本的教授方法，是否代表不會有考試﹖
丘校長表示，首3年學校全年有3次總結性評估，不會像傳統的考試，而是以技巧評估為主（skill-based），小朋友都會樂在其中，不覺辛苦。
2008年可望獲IBD認可資格
問﹕「一條龍」學校，學生由小學直升中學後，透過大學預科國際文憑考試（IBD試），及本港未來設立的新會考，可從而升讀外國或本地大學。學校現時尚未成為認可IBD試資格的學校，在準備工作上進度如何﹖
丘校長指出，學校預算2008年申請成為認可IBD試資格的學校，然後在2010年開始教授IBD課程，2012年11月將會首次參加IBD試。他強調﹕「獲取IBD試的認可資格並不困難，學生能否考獲優異成績才是關鍵。」此外，學校亦會配合本港高中及大學學制改革，2013年年中會參加新高中考試。
丘校長又表示，學校現在沒有跟任何本地或外國大學有學制聯繫，故不會保證學生升讀大學。但他強調﹕「能否升讀大學，是看學生本身的學業表現，若是優秀的學生，不愁沒有大學取錄。」
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作者: deniset 時間: 07-9-21 14:23
真道從去年在課程設計上已經改爲2+5+4（不再是3+5+3）。另外，學校評估也同時從以往一年3次改爲一年兩次。
作者: big-boy 時間: 07-9-23 10:40
My boy just amitted 2008/2009 FS1. I want to share some info here. The newspaper Oriental Daily date 2006-10-01 page A6 mention the new 334 HongKong secondary school diploma syllabus is very similar to IBD. This was told by the principle Ms.Chan of HKUGA and principle Mr.Cheung of DBS primary school. Compare two syllabus, IBD is more international recognize than local new scondary school diploma now. That is the one reason why so many famous DSS school change to IBD. Moreover, IBD syllabus and examination standard is more difficult than HK diploma. It means if you pass the IBD you will 99.9% chance to pass the HKD at the same time. I think this is the one reason why some DSS school allow their students take two different examinations at the same year.
作者: deniset 時間: 07-9-23 20:00
Thanks for sharing. In fact, our principal explained the same to us a year ago. Regardless of how others think, we will wait until the day when the formal announcement is made with regard to how it is going to be implemented within Logos along with the new secondary school diploma.
原文章由 big-boy 於 07-9-23 10:40 硐表
My boy just amitted 2008/2009 FS1. I want to share some info here. The newspaper Oriental Daily date 2006-10-01 page A6 mention the new 334 HongKong secondary school diploma syllabus is very similar t ...
作者: KenBaBa 時間: 07-9-24 20:49
Dear all,
I have one worry is that as our school adopts 2-5-4 which is comparatively 1 year less than the traditional 6-3-3 and furthermore, the IBD holds in Winter that making the students actually just received 10 and a 1/4 years' education before attending the high-demanding ability IBD exam. Provided the students are mature, smart and diligent enough, I'm really afraid that kids like mine may not score good results in the exams after 10 and a 1/4 years of education.
[ 本文章最後由 KenBaBa 於 07-9-24 23:04 編輯 ]
作者: big-boy 時間: 07-9-29 09:33
Dear KenBaBa:
This is a problem. Before I admitted this school. I consider this very carefully. Most U in the world (include HK) are not accept student under 18 y. The best method is your child around 7 y at FS1. I suggest you can ask school to get any good suggestion.
作者: DS1 時間: 07-9-29 16:13
The world is changing, actually no problem at all. Don't worry.
作者: 軒Mother 時間: 07-9-29 22:03
原文章由 DS1 於 07-9-29 16:13 硐表
The world is changing, actually no problem at all. Don't worry.
絕對同意! 9歲同14歲都可以入大學啦!
作者: 中天英 時間: 07-10-7 00:56
原文章由 KenBaBa 於 07-9-24 20:49 硐表
Dear all,
I have one worry is that as our school adopts 2-5-4 which is comparatively 1 year less than the traditional 6-3-3 and furthermore, the IBD holds in Winter that making the students actually ...
IBD exam takes place in April/May. Only students in Southern Hemisphere( e.g. Australia ) takes the IBD exam in Oct/Nov.
I think your concern is justified. IBD is very demanding and it requires tons of analytical thinking and original research. It's very different from our Beethoveen (背多分) style exam here in HK.
And it is asking for all round ability, all stduents are required to take 6 subjects - Mother Tongue language(Chinese in HK), Foreign language( English in HK), Experimental Sciences, Humanities, Mathematics and Arts. And TOK, CAS and EE are also required.
So, I totally agreed with you that 11 years of schoolling may not prepare students well enough to take the IBD.
[ 本文章最後由 中天英 於 07-10-7 02:15 編輯 ]
作者: KenBaBa 時間: 07-10-7 11:59
原文章由 中天英 於 07-10-7 00:56 硐表
IBD exam takes place in April/May. Only students in Southern Hemisphere( e.g. Australia ) takes the IBD exam in Oct/Nov.
Dear 中天英,
Thanks for your sharing concerning the time of exam. If it is the case, will IBD clash with the new Secondary Exam in April / May ? It will be fine if the 2 exams do not overlap each other. I will view it a dual chances for entering universities by attending both exams.
[ 本文章最後由 KenBaBa 於 07-10-7 12:16 編輯 ]
作者: 中天英 時間: 07-10-8 00:20
KenBaba,
It's not likely for one to take the IBD and Local exam at the same year.
Yes, in the past we took HKAL and GCE A-Level in the same year. But I tell you what , IBD is NOT the same.
You can't study the local exam and take IBD as as safty net. IBD is a full 2 years' program and one must go through the whole program ( 2 years ) in order to take the exam. And there is continous assesement in IBD and about 25 - 35%( depens on subject) of marks goes to internal assessment. Besides subject exams, IBD requires TOK, EE and CAS. This is not included in the local exam.
However, one can use IBD to apply for local universities. IBD is regarded as higher standard than the local exam and it is treated favorably over the local exam.
I heard on my own ears from a pro-vice chancellor of HKU, he siad he think IBD students are much better prepared for university studies than local exam and their door is widely open for them.
原文章由 KenBaBa 於 07-10-7 11:59 硐表
Dear 中天英,
Thanks for your sharing concerning the time of exam. If it is the case, will IBD clash with the new Secondary Exam in April / May ? It will be fine if the 2 exams do not overlap each o ...
作者: 中天英 時間: 07-10-8 00:32
原文章由 big-boy 於 07-9-23 10:40 硐表
My boy just amitted 2008/2009 FS1. I want to share some info here. The newspaper Oriental Daily date 2006-10-01 page A6 mention the new 334 HongKong secondary school diploma syllabus is very similar t ...
May I ask which school allow student to take IBD and local high school leaving exam at the same year?
It may be they have 2 streams of curriculum, one for IBD and one for Local exam. But once you choose the stream(IBD or Local exam), you stay in it and take the exam for that stream, not taking 2 exams.
作者: 小兒兒 時間: 07-10-8 12:00
原文章由 中天英 於 07-10-8 00:32 硐表
May I ask which school allow student to take IBD and local high school leaving exam at the same year?
It may be they have 2 streams of curriculum, one for IBD and one for Local exam. But once you ...
IBD係咪難道高好多呢?
作者: 中天英 時間: 07-10-9 00:44
原文章由 小兒兒 於 07-10-8 12:00 硐表
IBD係咪難道高好多呢?
係。
雖然香港新高中考試 - HK Diploma of Secondary Education(HKDSE) - 仲未出籠, 不過應該冇IBD咁demanding既。
IBD 要讀6科 - First language, Second Language, Experimental Science, Humanities, Mathematics and 6th Suject - may be Arts, Music or one additonal Language/Science/Humanities; 仲有Theory of Knowledge(TOK) - 類似哲學課, Extended Essay(EE) - 寫一篇4000字既原創性論文, 最後仲有Creativity, Action & Service(CAS)。
通常3科Higher Level, 3科Standard Level。Higher Level 科程度會好高, 英文要分析莎仕比亞既作品; Science 同 Maths 都比香港課程深, Science 都要寫essay呀，
Standard Level 就會淺D。不過都要英文文學分析既, 死末。
作者: 小兒兒 時間: 07-10-9 12:56
原文章由 中天英 於 07-10-9 00:44 硐表
係。
雖然香港新高中考試 - HK Diploma of Secondary Education(HKDSE) - 仲未出籠, 不過應該冇IBD咁demanding既。
IBD 要讀6科 - First language, Second Language, Experimental Science, Humanities, Mathema ...
唔該你, 好詳細啊!
不過, 對香港地中學生要英文好太深呢?
Second Language又會係什麼呢? 學校中是否只有普通話和英文呢?
作者: 中天英 時間: 07-10-9 22:30
香港本地課程學生(包括直資學校), 應該選中文做First Language, 英文做Second Language; 就算係英文中學, 都好難應付倒以英文做First Language既ｏ
仲可以選英文Second Language 既Standard Level, 應該可以應付倒既。 不過講明先, 英文Second Language既Standard Level, 都要寫essay, 做文學分析呀。
原文章由 小兒兒 於 07-10-9 12:56 硐表
唔該你, 好詳細啊!
不過, 對香港地中學生要英文好太深呢?
Second Language又會係什麼呢? 學校中是否只有普通話和英文呢?
作者: 小兒兒 時間: 07-10-23 15:01
死啦, 想想下怕課程會好深, 怕跟不上自己又唔識教, 點算?
作者: 老狐狸 時間: 07-11-14 00:07
原文章由 小兒兒 於 07-10-23 15:01 硐表
死啦, 想想下怕課程會好深, 怕跟不上自己又唔識教, 點算?
讀IB Diploma仲要父母教?
作者: 小兒兒 時間: 07-11-14 12:38
我們是一家, 一同生活, 一同學習, 我自己覺得作為父母, 會關心女的學業和校園生活.
在一條的學校下, 我不能由小一開始放手不理.
可能我太擔心啦!
作者: deniset 時間: 07-11-14 13:46
初小階段當然不可以不理，但亦無需太緊張。踏進拓展階段可以開始慢慢放手，但也不代表不理。課程多元化，即使孩子可以應付，對自己來講都是多方面的知新，不同階段有不同的驚喜, 慢慢期待吧！
原文章由 小兒兒 於 07-11-14 12:38 硐表
我們是一家, 一同生活, 一同學習, 我自己覺得作為父母, 會關心女的學業和校園生活.
在一條的學校下, 我不能由小一開始放手不理.
可能我太擔心啦!
作者: peppergin 時間: 07-11-15 14:35
[quote]原文章由 中天英 於 07-10-9 00:44 硐表
My words in green for discussion.
雖然香港新高中考試 - HK Diploma of Secondary Education(HKDSE) - 仲未出籠, 不過應該冇IBD咁demanding既。
新高中課程及評估指引
3/2007 已出了定稿。大家可慢慢研究
http://www.edb.gov.hk/index.aspx?langno=2&nodeID=5962
IBD 要讀6科 - First language, Second Language, Experimental Science, Humanities, Mathematics and 6th Suject - may be Arts, Music or one additonal Language/Science/Humanities;
新高中課程: 除了中國語文、英國語文、數學及通識教育四個核心(cores)科目外，學生還可因應興趣，從二十個選修科目及應用學習課程中，選修兩至三科。i.e. can take 6-7 subjects, but most universities only consider 5-6 including the 4 cores
仲有Theory of Knowledge(TOK) - 類似哲學課, Extended Essay(EE) - 寫一篇4000字既原創性論文, 最後仲有Creativity, Action & Service(CAS)。
新課程並要求學生體驗「其他學習經歷」，包括德育及公民教育、體育、藝術教育與社會服務等，以擴闊其視野。Very similar to CAS of IB
Seems that the only significant difference between the 2 is the extended essay of IB. Am I right?
通常3科Higher Level, 3科Standard Level。Higher Level 科程度會好高, 英文要分析莎仕比亞既作品; Science 同 Maths 都比香港課程深, Science 都要寫essay呀，Standard Level 就會淺D。不過都要英文文學分析既, 死末。
I don’t think "英文要分析莎仕比亞既作品" = difficult. Those who study Eng Lit. in secondary school all do that. This is not that foreign to us, even the Eng of IB include Eng Lit. elements. 
Hong Kong syllabus of Maths and Science, esp. A-level, is globally well known as difficult. Our students are also known to be strong in Maths and Science. IB more difficult? 
唔係好信。
I guess an original extended essay is similar to a thesis. A 4000 words thesis, at secondary level, is nothing. Please don’t take that I am proud or 口大大。
I say so is just based on my understanding on requirement of thesis at university. Don’t be misunderstood that a thesis =
a piece of writing with your views from the first word to the last. A thesis should noramlly include several parts, such as:
- stating the objective of the study and review
- reporting existing knowledge on the subject matter (literature review)
- presenting new views and knowledge, including the methodology of your study (e.g. the method and results of experiment, how to integrate different knowledge, how to set up questionnaires and result of questionnaires, etc.)
- discuss the result, implications and applications
- conclusion
Therefore, of course, a thesis is not a writing that you can do within a few hours without any preparation. However, with good preparation ( adequate reading and gathering of information), the writing will be a small part of the job. I guess you probably need to consider, with a subject matter really interests your kid, may be 4000 words are not enough.
...but of course, the quality of a thesis has nothing to do with it's length.
[ 本文章最後由 peppergin 於 08-1-14 14:34 編輯 ]
作者: Share 時間: 08-1-13 07:01
係,寫論文要寫的好是很難的，
上過大學的都應心裡有數。
作者: horay1 時間: 08-2-5 13:17
Hello,
I think it is too sensitive or political about this topic.
it is not a simple issue.
You know, logos acamedy is still sposnorsed by HK Government, and I heard from Principal that LA students must have to apply local exam; you can imagine you are using HK Governement money but you are allowed not to buy hk education system?
secondly; I check one of U in HK (HKU), their reply is that you can use IBD result to apply HK universities but you will be regarded as foreign student group and compete with oversea students for those 20% seats (max 20% this year); you can imagine again that all HK universities are sponsored by HK Government and all hk univerisities should treat higher priority for HK local students with local exam .
thirdly, LA principal prelim said that students must take hk local exam but optionally and encouraged to take IBD; the concept has been changed than before actually.
fourthly, it is real that it is not easy for students or school to manage 2 different kind of curriculum (IBD & HK local exam); the reason mentioned by other parents;
so, the principal has to find out a solution asap for this issue. and this solution is highly influenced by HK government about their policy for school and also affected by the admission policy of hk universities (but this one will be influenced by HK government also)
作者: big-boy 時間: 08-2-6 00:38
Dear Horay1:
Thanks for your sharing. My son is Logos student. IBD is Adv or Dis-adv for HK student is NO answer now. Because we don't have any student take two exam from Logos now. It depends on your point of view. Some local famous school such as DBS, St.Paul Co-ed and Yiu Chung is to encourge IBD. Some had dropped this program (HKUGA). I think if you believe it won't successful. HK still have so many good school run local new high school diploma. Here, I want to thank-you so many Logos parent spend many time to expand the IBD system. HK Goverment has are rule to control all HK DSS secondany school must follow the local new high school diploma syllabus. Therefore, all DSS school must provide that course. Moreover, some school want to offer another IBD course for student. Get it or not is up to you. It is good or not good depends on how you think about it. I choose Logos depends on their teaching method is good for my son. Not the IBD syllabus. If everyone think IBD is the most important things. I suggested that they should consider again.
Happy New Year.
作者: DS1 時間: 08-2-6 10:03
Dear all,
The main idea of using IBD syllabus is to allow students to reach a standard of which enable them to compete with students all over the world. I can't see any reasons that our students cannot take both exams and achieve a good results.
In old days, we take HKAL, GCEAL and SAT. You won't be suprised by the results. They are always in line with each others.
Judging by the current standard of the students in Logos, I am not worry about their future competitions in entering local or foreign universities.
Logos provides good education to our children.
Of course, it is always up to the parents to choose the right school for their children. If you are not convinced by the ways Logos educate their students. Make you own choice, there are still a lot of options available in HK.
作者: horay1 時間: 08-2-6 14:42
Hello,
You know, my concern is not the LA, but the policy(current or future) of HK government & local Us' how they are influencing the planning of good schools, like LA.
Perhaps, you may say I think too much! but it is reality and need to face
Happy new year!
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