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標題: 請問有無英基ESF / 啟新Renaissance College媽咪係度呀? [打印本頁]

作者: babyabc 時間: 07-8-31 17:09 標題: 請問有無英基ESF / 啟新Renaissance College媽咪係度呀?

本人住係沙田區, 想問下如果想比小朋友入讀英基, 係咪最好到青衣英基幼稚園先? 又或者有無第二間幼稚園可以順利入讀英基呢(因為到青衣怕小朋友搭好耐車程)? 同埋想問下Renaissance Colleg又好唔好呢?

作者: Blythe_miki 時間: 07-9-1 19:44

Hihi,

我9 月就會幫仔仔 apply 啟新啦, R. College 既 comment 聽過好多, 好多人都話好, 我住東涌我, 仔仔每天都會出灣仔 Starters
School 返學, 除了青衣 ESF KG, starters 係唯一可以順利入英基既幼稚園, 等 r.college 收左我仔仔, 我就會搬去 ma on shan 果頭架啦, 話晒都要讀 6 年, 每日由東涌坐車出 ma on shan 真係幾遠下...

作者: momom 時間: 07-9-2 09:48

原文章由 Blythe_miki 於 07-9-1 19:44 硐表
Hihi,

我9 月就會幫仔仔 apply 啟新啦, R. College 既 comment 聽過好多, 好多人都話好, 我住東涌我, 仔仔每天都會出灣仔 Starters
School 返學, 除了青衣 ESF KG, starters 係唯一可以順利入英基既幼稚園, 等 r.c ...

Blythe_miki,

Happy to know that your son is studing in starters school. I would like to get more information about this school since my son will go there in September.
Can I pm you for more information?
Thanks a lot
momom

作者: Blythe_miki 時間: 07-9-2 19:35

hihi momom,

sure, you can pm me, or we can also chat here :)
what info. do you want to know ??

just notice you asked me about ice skate at Tai Koo last month

nice to meet you here again :)

原文章由 momom 於 07-9-2 09:48 硐表

Blythe_miki,

Happy to know that your son is studing in starters school. I would like to get more information about this school since my son will go there in September.
Can I pm you for more inform ...

[ 本文章最後由 Blythe_miki 於 07-9-3 03:02 編輯 ]

作者: kathiema 時間: 07-9-4 21:51

David Exodus in Tai Wai.

原文章由 babyabc 於 07-8-31 17:09 硐表
本人住係沙田區, 想問下如果想比小朋友入讀英基, 係咪最好到青衣英基幼稚園先? 又或者有無第二間幼稚園可以順利入讀英基呢(因為到青衣怕小朋友搭好耐車程)? 同埋想問下Renaissance Colleg又好唔好呢? ...

作者: cheungyinming 時間: 07-9-9 19:03

Hi
本人仔仔今年9月己入讀RC YEAR1, 佢係由ESF TY直升的, 等我講下這兩年經驗和心得你知啦.
你唔係一定要選ESF的幼稚園, 只要你的小朋友在面試時英語水平要合乎佢地要求, 不過ESF佢地要求都幾高架, 我仔仔就in左兩間, 一間是畢架山ESF小學另一間是RC, (因住的地區關係, 我係一定要選畢架山無任何選擇) 結果畢架山唔收, RC就收左.
如你選擇ESF的幼稚園讀而可以上番ESF的小學機會的確係大好多, 但唔guarantee一定會收番, 我仔仔那年全校就有2個同學仔無ESF的學校收番.
我會提議你讀ESF TY, 對日後會方便一點和這間學校係幾好的.

希望可以幫到係啦

作者: puifun 時間: 07-9-10 10:41

cheungyinming

Please check PM, Thank you

作者: play 時間: 07-9-13 11:48

我是住馬鞍山，希望女兒在08年9月往青衣ESF讀書。
我一直擔心ty kinder 畢業生入不到 ESF 小學會很徬徨，因為他們不懂中文。

以你所知今年有沒有TY Kinder 畢業生入不到ESF 小學或RC。
RC 有沒有優先取錄TY Kinder 畢業生？？

多謝!!!

作者: Cara2006 時間: 07-9-13 20:04

唔駛擔心，今年 RC 同 SJS 收生都順好多。
即使係 YEAR 1 & YEAR 7 都唔係真係咁難。

唔好信 LEE 度有人話收生點嚴，點難，
成日都出口嚇人，扮好心勸人唔好申請，
係有人想嚇你地走。

今年 SJS 同 SC 都收了好多 LOCAL SCHOOL 插班生，
入 RC ，就當然更易，話晒係新校。

我估有人個算盤都算打響了。

其實如果唔係執著，不如選 CAIS 或 ICS 啦，
我覺得 SJS 真係太多人唔講英文喇。

作者: hokittyho 時間: 07-9-13 21:04

原文章由 cheungyinming 於 07-9-9 19:03 硐表
Hi
本人仔仔今年9月己入讀RC YEAR1, 佢係由ESF TY直升的, 等我講下這兩年經驗和心得你知啦.
你唔係一定要選ESF的幼稚園, 只要你的小朋友在面試時英語水平要合乎佢地要求, 不過ESF佢地要求都幾高架, 我仔仔就in左兩間 ...

HI cheungyinming,

Please check pm. Thank you!

作者: joanthony 時間: 07-9-14 14:57

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作者: klau213 時間: 07-9-15 14:53

我都幫個女報o左 david exodus, 已經收o左, 08 年 9 月開學. 我都係諗住俾個女讀英基或啟新. 聽講大部份 david exodus o既學生都可以升讀呢兩間小學, 希望我兩個細路都可以 la

原文章由 kathiema 於 07-9-4 21:51 硐表
David Exodus in Tai Wai.

作者: JennyBaBa 時間: 07-9-15 15:26

I do not know much about RC or SJS. But it is really difficult to get a place in ESF Kennedy.

A new professor at HKU (Chinese, his kids are ABC, US passport holders) applied for his kids to ESF Kennedy for this academic year sometimes ago. They were not offered a place and now need to find another IS. The waiting list for foreigner/expat is already too long. So the chance for local students with HK passport (except P1) for P2 afterwards, is very slim.

In my girl's year, ~ 70% are non-chinese.

原文章由 Cara2006 於 07-9-13 20:04 硐表
唔駛擔心，今年 RC 同 SJS 收生都順好多。
即使係 YEAR 1 & YEAR 7 都唔係真係咁難。

唔好信 LEE 度有人話收生點嚴，點難，
成日都出口嚇人，扮好心勸人唔好申請，
係有人想嚇你地走。

今年 SJS 同 SC 都收了好多 LOCAL SCHO ...

[ 本文章最後由 JennyBaBa 於 07-9-15 15:32 編輯 ]

作者: Cara2006 時間: 07-9-17 19:40

原文章由 JennyBaBa 於 07-9-15 15:26 硐表
I do not know much about RC or SJS. But it is really difficult to get a place in ESF Kennedy.

A new professor at HKU (Chinese, his kids are ABC, US passport holders) applied for his kids to ESF Kennedy for this academic year sometimes ago. They were not offered a place and now need to find another IS. The waiting list for foreigner/expat is already too long. So the chance for local students with HK passport (except P1) for P2 afterwards, is very slim.

In my girl's year, ~ 70% are non-chinese.

有人話，SJS/SC 咁成功，係因為佢地多中國人學生，而中國人學生/家長都注重學集/學業。
KS 有咁多外藉孩子，會唔會學習氣氛唔搞人地 SJS/SC 咁好呀？

作者: JennyBaBa 時間: 07-9-18 21:45 標題: 外藉學生/家長Do not 注重學業??

'有人話' is not a reliable source of information. Let me share my first hand experience.
What is a good '學習氣氛'? In Kennedy, there is no exam in the first 2 years of study (P1, P2). So if your definition of '學習氣氛' = study extensively for examination, then there is no '學習氣氛' or 'exam 氣氛' in Kennedy in P1/P2.
But I can assure you that there is a very good 'reading 氣氛' in this school. Everyday the student bring a book from school for home reading. My girl, who will be 7 soon, read a book of 1000~1500 words each day. I do not need to force her. It is her habit now.

Do we need to prepare our kids for exams since they are only 6 years old? And you think 外藉學生/家長都DO NOT注重學業? Please visit http://hk.news.yahoo.com/070823/12/2e9qk.html
'其餘3名狀元均來自West Island School，他們是Mitch Abernathy、Nicholas Tsao和Elise Ng-Cordell。' Not all of them are Chinese. I do not know whether they were from Kennedy, but most of the Kennedy students will be admitted by the West Island School.

I am a Chinese, but it is a fact that most scientists are 外藉. I do not think Chinese students must be better students, some just spend more time in preparing exams, not exactly building knowledge.

原文章由 Cara2006 於 07-9-17 19:40 硐表

有人話，SJS/SC 咁成功，係因為佢地多中國人學生，而中國人學生/家長都注重學集/學業。
KS 有咁多外藉孩子，會唔會學習氣氛唔搞人地 SJS/SC 咁好呀？ ...

作者: Cara2006 時間: 07-9-19 10:34

原文章由 JennyBaBa 於 07-9-18 21:45 硐表
'有人話' is not a reliable source of information. Let me share my first hand experience.
What is a good '學習氣氛'? In Kennedy, there is no exam in the first 2 years of study (P1, P2). So if your definition of '學習氣氛' = study extensively for examination, then there is no '學習氣氛' or 'exam 氣氛' in Kennedy in P1/P2.
But I can assure you that there is a very good 'reading 氣氛' in this school. Everyday the student bring a book from school for home reading. My girl, who will be 7 soon, read a book of 1000~1500 words each day. I do not need to force her. It is her habit now.

Do we need to prepare our kids for exams since they are only 6 years old? And you think 外藉學生/家長都DO NOT注重學業? Please visit http://hk.news.yahoo.com/070823/12/2e9qk.html
'其餘3名狀元均來自West Island School，他們是Mitch Abernathy、Nicholas Tsao和Elise Ng-Cordell。' Not all of them are Chinese. I do not know whether they were from Kennedy, but most of the Kennedy students will be admitted by the West Island School.

I am a Chinese, but it is a fact that most scientists are 外藉. I do not think Chinese students must be better students, some just spend more time in preparing exams, not exactly building knowledge.

我說的 "有人話" ，都係從BK 的 SJS/SC 的家長口中聽來的，
因為 SJS/SC 的華裔學生，在 ESF 眾多學校中，人數比例較多，
亦因此，有些有意比孩子入 ESF 的，都會很自然擔心 SJS/SC 學校的 "國際性" 比其他國際學校，甚至其他 ESF 學校都差。這是很客觀的憂慮，很多人心裡都會這樣想。

有 SJS/SC 家長說，他們學校華裔學生多，反而其實係佢地的優勢；是否真的是優勢，先不討論，但這倒是我第一次聽到的的 "論點"；一直以來，選擇國際學校的家長，都比較喜歡選擇學生族裔比較多元化的，因此，單是 ESF，很多人都喜歡選港島區的 ESF，好多更因而搬家為遷就校網和方便孩子上學。這點，在外國亦然，很多新一代華人都不再選擇把孩子放在華人聚居/聚集的學校網/學校上學。

以香港眾多國際學校而言，以華裔學生多，當成是優勢的，就只 SJS/SC；我自己只是覺得，這好像與大部份人對國際學校的看法很不同，因此想問問，華裔孩子相對較少的其他 ESF 學校家長的想法；或者其他國際學校 ( 尤其華裔孩子較少的國際學校 ) 的家長，都可以分享下。

作者: Kareese 時間: 07-9-19 14:22

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作者: AAA-Mom 時間: 07-9-19 15:31

My girl was in JIS and the combination of students may be better since there were only 1/3 chinese (including taiwanese) in her class. Therefore her english is very good due to the practice with the native classmates.

However, she just transferred to SJS this year. I don't know so far how the "majority of students are chinese" would affect her study. Actually I found her also speak in english (most of the times) with her friends. She said she also notice that there are many chinese students. She will speak chinese with them sometimes if they do not know how to say a word in english. But she could not do that when she was in JIS. She could try to think of a way to explain to her classmates even she did not know how to say a word.

I think no school is perfect. I hope SJS is a good choice.

原文章由 Kareese 於 07-9-19 14:22 硐表
"SCMP has mentioned another reason for SC’s success: the location. In the neighborhoods of SC we can find quarters of Chinese University, Baptist University, Polytechnic University and Prince of Wale ...

作者: ChingChingDad 時間: 07-9-19 15:59

My friend, a SJS Educational Assistant, told me that no student in SJS has problem in speaking fluent English.

Don't worry.

作者: ChingChingDad 時間: 07-9-19 16:09

According to SJS's 2005/2006 School Report
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Assessment and Reporting Our end of Year 6 QCA standardised test results were once again very impressive.

Level 5 is the highest possible score and 65% of our children achieved this for both English and Maths.

As compared to the UK where schools are set a National target of 80% to achieve level 4 or higher. Sha Tin Junior School students achieve well above with 91% for Maths and 96% for English respectively.

Analysis of this data has reinforced our decision to focus
on writing and applied mathematical problem solving.

作者: ChingChingDad 時間: 07-9-19 21:14

原文章由 JennyBaBa 於 07-9-18 21:45 硐表
'4名狀元中，就讀英皇佐治五世學校的Ding Xiang成績最突出，除了會考摘取10A*外，於Certificate in Digital Applications考試中獲得Distinction（優異）成績，相當於會考2科A*級。
其餘3名狀元均來自West Island School，他們是Mitch Abernathy、Nicholas Tsao和Elise Ng-Cordell。

Ding Xiang: ? Chinese Surname 香
Nicholas Tsao: ? Chinese Surname 曹
Elise Ng: ? Chinese Surname 吳

Three out of four may have Chinese origin. Should we applaud?

作者: ChingChingDad 時間: 07-9-19 23:23

ESF 2007 exam results

The first results in were those for the International Baccalaureate Diploma at Sha Tin College. 125 out of 130 students passed the Diploma, with 20 students achieving 40 points or more. Ian Chau (周) scored the maximum of 45 points, while Grace Cheng (鄭), Raghav Kaushik (An Indian surname) and Christopher Leung (梁) Chung Ya all reached 44.

A Level results were also encouraging:
Eugene Lui (雷or 呂) and Lorraine Ma (馬) of South Island School both achieved six straight A grades (5 at A Level and one at AS Level).

The Head Boy of West Island School, Justin Yeung (楊), achieved 5 As, along with his classmates Adrian Hui (許) and Nick Fung (馮).

King George V School achieved a significant benchmark; over 50% of results were at grade A. These results led to some impressive university placements in the Ivy League, Oxbridge and many other prestigious institutions.
The recent GCSE results were another cause for celebration.

The percentage of papers marked A*-A increased to over 53% this year up from just under 50% last year. The proportion of A*-C results also improved: 94% as opposed to 92% last year.

Three West Island students Mitch Abernathy, Nicholas Tsao (曹) and Elise Ng (吳)-Cordell got ten A* scores.

At King George V School, Ding Xiang (香) achieved ten A* grades, one A grade plus a Distinction in the Certificate in Digital Applications, which is generally considered equivalent to two A* grades.

Should we applaud again?

[ 本文章最後由 ChingChingDad 於 07-9-20 01:48 編輯 ]

作者: Cara2006 時間: 07-9-20 07:45

這只能證明，成績好的都是華裔學生了，
亦只能證明，ESF 的輝煌，都要靠我們華人了。

我覺得家長就是不能單看幾個 top student 的成績，就認定學校是最好。中學的成績算是甚麼？很多孩子在大學 undergradute 甚至 post-graduate 才發力，發揮。這點，在本地學校學校，可能可以做指標，因為大家文化背景類同。國際學校一般都有不同族裔的孩子，亞裔家庭，的確是較緊張孩子的成績。如果曾住外國，就不難觀察到西方孩子，因為文化差異，一般都沒我們東方孩子成熟，很多在大學一年級還是遊戲人間；這一點，我覺得跟民族文化有關，這裡不多說。間單說，中國人成績好，未必係因為父母本身都是知識份子，亦未必代表孩子真的較出色，只因中國的歷史告訴我們，中國人如果不讀書，是沒有出路的，國內人士傾家蕩產，都要為子女籌錢讀大學，就是這原因。

我反而是希望家長要真正多些了解學校的各方面，如果一心希望孩子在比較多不同族裔群的學校學習，SJS/SC 未必是個好選擇。SJS/SC 的學生，主要是華人，我就覺得更像一間以英語授課的 local school。要真正想孩子入讀有多些其他族裔的國際學校，又堅持選擇 ESF ( 其實有很多其他國際學校都很好 )，看來真的要搬家，港島區的 ESF，或九龍區 CWBS 看來都比較 international 。

[ 本文章最後由 Cara2006 於 07-9-20 08:05 編輯 ]

作者: WYmom 時間: 07-9-20 15:17

Parents with IS experience would know clearly the great difference of IS from local schools. It is really ignorant to say that when an IS has more Chinese students, it is just an English local school. If this saying is true, then CIS, SIS etc. are also local schools.

To me, having an international and global perspective is more important.

作者: JennyL 時間: 07-9-20 17:55

A school does not "becomes" an international school because there are non-chinese students.
And a school would not be considered a local school because there are only chinese students.
I am sorry if this is going to disappoint you. It is the curriculum that matters.
ESF schools are mainly using the british curriculum (they are gradually migrating to IB though); RC & DC are IB schools right from the beginning. The curriculum makes them international schools.

Some elite schools have, for decades, provided educational services to many western students. My mother school is one of the few elite girl's school that offer French from Form One as an alternative to Chinese. We have had quite some non-chinese girls ever since. However, it would not make my mother school an international school.

Last, do not forget about the laws. Someone posted here a while ago the link to a government list of all international schools. Wonder if he/she can re-post the link.
It would be sensible to think that the government would have different laws or rules to regulate local and international schools. So, if a school is on the international school list, than it is an international school. At least, it would legally be one.

[ 本文章最後由 JennyL 於 07-9-20 18:15 編輯 ]

作者: Ruby1219 時間: 07-9-20 18:21

WYmom,

I can't agree more with you.

I know that many (or even most) of the local parents see "high proportion of Caucasian/foreign students" as the merit or criteria for choosing an IS. But I personally don't see it this way.
What differentiate an IS from a local school is its curriculum, it's education philosophy and style. It does not bother me at all if my son's classmates are all Chinese. I don't even mind that they speak to each other in Cantonese. I always can't understand why parents would worry about this. Afterall we are Chinese and why hinder our kids from speaking their mother tongue ? And, this is becos I believe that they already have enough English environment at school to help them master good English when they grow up. I would prefer that my son being able to speak good (maybe not excellent) English plus Cantonese, instead of speaking perfect English but no Cantonse.

Are we ashamed of being Chinese ? Why stressing so much on the English/foreigh students proportion issue ?

Just my two cents and personal view.

Ruby

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Parents with IS experience would know clearly the great difference of IS from local schools. It is really ignorant to say that when an IS has more Chinese students, it is just an English local school ...

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作者: JennyBaBa 時間: 07-9-20 21:45

Why Westerners did better than Chinese in Sciences in the past few hundreds years? Is it because they are prudent, logical, and rational?

If you examine the fact "其餘3名狀元均來自West Island School，他們是Mitch Abernathy、Nicholas Tsao和Elise Ng-Cordell。" carefully, Ng-Cordell is only half-Chinese. How could Abernathy be a Chinese surname?

So, can this '只能證明' '成績好的都是華裔學生了'? Or '亦只能證明，ESF 的輝煌，都要靠我們華人了' is only a false statment?

In fact, these statements '只能證明' the person who made these statements is very good at 斷章取義，信口雌黄。足與胡適筆下的《差不多先生》(1924)互相輝映，八十年不變！

I hope Cara can be more prudent when she makes her claims, so that she can exert a positive influence to her kids.

原文章由 Cara2006 於 07-9-20 07:45 硐表
這只能證明，成績好的都是華裔學生了，
亦只能證明，ESF 的輝煌，都要靠我們華人了。

我覺得家長就是不能單看幾個 top student 的成績，就認定學校是最好。中學的成績算是甚麼？很多孩子在大學 undergradute 甚至 post-graduate ...

[ 本文章最後由 JennyBaBa 於 07-9-22 19:28 編輯 ]

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