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標題: 中5/中7去澳洲讀書的分別 [打印本頁]

作者: KOKOMAN 時間: 07-8-16 19:14 標題: 中5/中7去澳洲讀書的分別

中5和中7去澳洲讀書的分別?
如修讀年期等有何不同?

作者: virgokaren 時間: 07-8-17 00:14

澳洲的中學是讀六年的，所以在香港讀完中五，只是澳洲的
year 11，你必需完成year 12 至可憑當地考試成績申請入讀大學。
如你在香港完成中五，會考有四科 D 級或以上，英文成績乎合當地標準，可以選擇入讀 Foundation course (專門給海外生讀的預科，相等於當地的 year 12)，讀一年之後成績乎合資格，便可升讀大學。

如會考成績不理想，可能要由year 11 讀起。
如英語成績不佳，還要加20-40星期的英語課至可入讀year 11。

如中七至去澳洲，可以憑 A-level 成績直接申請澳洲大學，另加
IELTS 成績要有6-6.5分至合標準。

A-level 成績不夠資格的話，也可選擇讀一年 foundation 入大學，又或者讀 diploma 再接入大學year 2。

作者: KOKOMAN 時間: 07-8-17 20:48

即是說中7去較好?

原文章由 virgokaren 於 07-8-17 00:14 發表
澳洲的中學是讀六年的，所以在香港讀完中五，只是澳洲的
year 11，你必需完成year 12 至可憑當地考試成績申請入讀大學。
如你在香港完成中五，會考有四科 D 級或以上，英文成績乎合當地標準，可以選擇入讀 F ...

作者: virgokaren 時間: 07-8-18 13:34

原文章由 KOKOMAN 於 07-8-17 20:48 發表
即是說中7去較好?

睇你想吾想考A-level 啦！
如果你一心決定去澳洲，又吾想花多一年時間讀，咁中五會考後去讀 Foundation 好似化算D。

如果你考得 A-level，成績好的話不如留在香港讀 degree ，去澳洲讀 master ，咁咪仲好！

作者: vic.pretty 時間: 07-8-18 16:43 標題: 中五去比較

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作者: fattymama 時間: 07-8-19 14:22

Hi 各位,我想請問一o下,如果加拿大和澳洲比較(只比較教育質素),你們會揀邊度俾子女去升學

作者: vic.pretty 時間: 07-8-20 23:34 標題: 加拿大同澳洲教學質數比較

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作者: virgokaren 時間: 07-8-22 12:44

原文章由 fattymama 於 07-8-19 14:22 發表
Hi 各位,我想請問一o下,如果加拿大和澳洲比較(只比較教育質素),你們會揀邊度俾子女去升學 ?

最近我經常去升學展搜集資料，察覺澳洲院校都不是隨隨便便的收生，所以教育質素也是有保證的。

我們選擇澳洲也是因為氣候、時差和交通比較適合香港人，加拿大要飛好耐、天氣又太凍。

作者: fattymama 時間: 07-8-22 21:53

多謝你們的回覆,不過我仍然諗唔掂呀

作者: virgokaren 時間: 07-8-27 18:33

原文章由 fattymama 於 07-8-22 21:53 硐表
多謝你們的回覆,不過我仍然諗唔掂呀 !

吾好講你諗唔掂，我只是諗澳洲一個地方，都要諗：
1) 邊個省
2) homestay or broading
3) 男女校 or 女校
我都諗唔掂呀！

作者: Charlotte_mom 時間: 07-8-30 21:25

virgokaren
想8下
我女女而家只係小一, 其實一早我地已plan住中二左右就會send佢去澳洲(probably melb), 我朋友移民melb成廿年, 佢話, 佢父母當年pick左間只可以講英文既學校, 所以佢d英文都幾ok, 反而入到大學, 好多亞洲人, 佢至學返d中文(所以我唔打算咁遲至send小朋友過去), 佢就強烈suggest我細個d送小朋友過去
不過最近有朋友女兒去melb讀書(中2), 因為住宿問題攪唔掂, 喊住返黎, 而家入左澳洲國際學校..所以最近我又有新睇法, 如果中一轉去澳洲國際, 讀幾年至去melb, 一黎慳返d住宿費, 二黎又唔駛擔心佢一個人唔知點
但又有人話, 當地大學當ais學生係local student, 唔似對overseas applicant咁"手鬆", 對ielts要求高d wor.........
你有何高見??

原文章由 virgokaren 於 07-8-27 06:33 PM 硐表

吾好講你諗唔掂，我只是諗澳洲一個地方，都要諗：
1) 邊個省
2) homestay or broading
3) 男女校 or 女校
我都諗唔掂呀！

作者: zxzx 時間: 07-8-31 23:33

Charlotte mom:

Hi, I was living in Melb for 20 years. If I were you, I will send my daughter back to Melb when she turns 16 (F.4). Many of my school friends returned to Melb at F.4 and they were from DGS, Maryknoll, St. Paul's, etc. I feel sorry for the little girls (year 7, even year 9) who were alone in Melb for studying, usually they stayed in boarding house & were always bullied by the elder boarders (even though they were Asians); some of them can't adopt the environment and only mixed with Chinese, always stayed in China town, started smoking & turned bad ! Because when they were year 7-9, they can't drive to go to Australian friends' party, all they can do is to mix with the boarders/housemates who are also Asians/hong kongies.

Don't worry if your daughter is an overseas student, easier to get a better course than local student (like us) because you are paying fees to the university.

作者: virgokaren 時間: 07-9-1 04:10

原文章由 Charlotte_mom 於 07-8-30 21:25 硐表
virgokaren
想8下
我女女而家只係小一, 其實一早我地已plan住中二左右就會send佢去澳洲(probably melb), 我朋友移民melb成廿年, 佢話, 佢父母當年pick左間只可以講英文既學校, 所以佢d英文都幾ok, 反而入到大學, 好 ...

Sorry！我吾知讀澳洲國際學校是否等同讀澳洲的中學。
但如果你過去係讀 year11-12考大學的話，便要和澳洲
local students 一齊比併，只有讀 Foundation 至可以和
讀 foundation 的 overseas students 比併。
香港人讀 foundation 著數之處是讀 foundation 的有好多
日本人、韓國人和其他非英語系的學生，咁香港人英文
比他們好少少，所以著數左。
其實，只要你不是澳洲人就可以讀 foundation 啦！
你囡囡如果係讀 Australia International，咁就更著數啦！
起碼你比其他讀香港 local school 的學生英文更好。

作者: virgokaren 時間: 07-9-1 04:13

原文章由 zxzx 於 07-8-31 23:33 硐表
Charlotte mom:
Hi, I was living in Melb for 20 years. If I were you, I will send my daughter back to Melb when she turns 16 (F.4). Many of my school friends returned to Melb at F.4 and they were fr ...

你的意思是不是讀到中四比較夠定性，可以識應得好些，沒有那麼容易學壞呀？

咁你覺得讀 broading school 好定係住 homestay 好？
點揀好的學校呀？

作者: Charlotte_mom 時間: 07-9-1 12:42

zxzx,
Thanks for your opinion. Yes, I'm worrying about daily life rather than academic issues.......Of course I won't send her to AU when she's that small........

virgokaren,
thanks! 聽你地咁講, 似乎o係香港考澳洲大學好過去果邊讀完至考........
um.......再唸唸

原文章由 zxzx 於 07-8-31 11:33 PM 硐表
Charlotte mom:

Hi, I was living in Melb for 20 years. If I were you, I will send my daughter back to Melb when she turns 16 (F.4). Many of my school friends returned to Melb at F.4 and they were fr ...

作者: zxzx 時間: 07-9-1 22:12

Hi,
When is the best time to send the children to overseas - I think depends on 1) whether you have relatives/friends tehre to help your children; 2) the characteristics of your children. 年紀大通常識諗D,我見盡有人在HK考last & became a doctor in Aust, 有人在HK top school 好but 最終比人踢出校 in Aust, why?  Because it depends on the kids 群D咩人, 其實咩人都有, top schools 都可以有一兩個 bad students & heavy smokers, so孩子的分辨能力同自制能力好重要, unless you stay there (陪太子讀書), otherwise all you can do is to ring/visit them once for a while only (你又點知得佢D野咁多) !
Foundation is one of the common options for overseas students, the required standard can be lower than local students, but in fact if you are overseas student, even if you do normal year 11 & year 12, it's still easier for you to get in a better course than local students.  May be you can ask the agent how many foundation students can get into medicine or law course.  For foundation, most HK people get in Commerce or Computer = these courses are not hard to get in.  From my experience, all of my friends got in medicine/law were those doing year 11 & 12.

至於homestay/boarding house, my advice is for homestay, better don't choose the Chinese family (not as considerate as Australian family).  My friend got into a Chinese family as homestay, and they needed her to do mowing & 斤斤計較, 要找一個 loving family as homestay is not easy ! For boarding house, in fact quite convenience, because it is very close to school (no need to take public transport/ask the homestay parents to drive you to school every day), so kids can have more time to stay in the school library.

至於friends/relatives, don't expect too much unless very very very close! 我聽過有D mummy 以為個friend or relative 會take care 自己個女/仔,點知都係刻薄佢地,最後D mummy 同D friend/relative 都係不歡而"珊",其實將心俾已,要你長期去照顧多一個,又唔係自己既,好難既,不過有時幫下手互相照應下就無謂

One more tip for you: Top schools in Melb usually are single-sex schools, not co-ed schools.

Hope this helps you.  Actually I'm also preparing to be a mum, 要向你們多多指教。

作者: Charlotte_mom 時間: 07-9-2 14:20

thanks very very much!!!
我個女雖然得果7歲, 不過好明顯唔怕羞, 好outgoing, so I guess she'll be getting used to a new environment very soon.
但就好似你咁講--我朋友交個女俾親戚, 幾個summer都無事, 一住落就咩問題都出晒黎, 連買左個鬧鐘au$1都要求reimbursement, 最難頂係話唔想佢一個o係屋企, 所以要佢跟埋d小表弟去課外活動, 日日去到7pm至返屋企, 無晒時間, 試過發住燒都要咁遊車河.........終於兩家人吵大鑊!
So accommodation is a BIG issue to me, particularly I don't have any relative in Melb, just a very good friend. But I can't expect much from a friend, right?
However, I think my friend will be very helpful when I need to choose a school in Melb, 因為佢移民左好多年, 同埋都讀書好叻 so i guess she's quite informative, hehehe

原文章由 zxzx 於 07-9-1 10:12 PM 硐表
Hi,
When is the best time to send the children to overseas - I think depends on 1) whether you have relatives/friends tehre to help your children; 2) the characteristics of your children. 年紀大通常識 ...

作者: virgokaren 時間: 07-9-2 15:35

聽完你地的 cases，我都係決心搵一間 girls broading school 好些，住學校有老師照顧，吾駛睇 hoemstay family 的面色，免卻她太自由到處交朋結友的危險。

zxzx：
係香港讀書平平，到 Aus 讀 year 11-12 上大學難吾難呀？
我想姨甥女去讀year 11-12，可以過下正常澳洲中學生活，吾想佢一去就讀 foundation，全部同學都係 overseas students，我這個想法正常嗎？定係捨難取易呢？
我又想問下，如果係澳洲中學讀埋 IB ，又有無著數呢？

Charlotte_mom：
如果你囡囡入讀 Australia int'l school，咁我估可以吾駛咁早過 Australia，學校應該會提供埋考試，直接報讀澳洲大學。

作者: Charlotte_mom 時間: 07-9-2 22:29

zxzx
我就係想咁, 因為學費都差唔多, 但可以慳返d住宿費, 同埋唔駛咁早出國, 可以陪多自己幾年.......不過聽聞好大條waitlist呀! 都唔知幾時apply好......心大心細!
我朋友就話, 前排ais出過questionnaire俾家長, 話因為太多waitlist students, 所以準備o係hk side開多一間分校, 問家長想邊個location wor!

原文章由 virgokaren 於 07-9-2 03:35 PM 硐表
聽完你地的 cases，我都係決心搵一間 girls broading school 好些，住學校有老師照顧，吾駛睇 hoemstay family 的面色，免卻她太自由到處交朋結友的危險。

zxzx：
係香港讀書平平，到 Aus 讀 year 11-12 上大學難吾難呀？
我想姨 ...

[ 本文章最後由 Charlotte_mom 於 07-9-2 22:30 編輯 ]

作者: zxzx 時間: 07-9-8 14:37

Charlotte_mom：
I think your idea is great! But I'm just curious, are you Aust citizen? If not, why do you like Melb so much? Why don't you choose other international schools in HK?

Because I'm thinking that may be your daughter's results are very good later (which is unknown to us now, right?), then she can have more choices for her tertiary education --- she can go to UK or US, etc? As a customer, I always think that you've paid so much $$$ for international school, should buy more options, i.e. more country choices. But I'm not saying Australian international school is not good, it is also a very good school.

作者: zxzx 時間: 07-9-8 14:54

virgokaren:
I agree with your previous comments.  In general, the quality of Australian education is not bad.  Sometimes, like Canada, there are some 'chicken' schools/universities, so must select the schools very carefully.  For the top courses (medicine, law) in Aust, it is not easy to get in.  All of my friends got in these courses were top students in HK from famous schools (DGS etc).  Of course, for some 讀書平平, they can still get into Australian university doing an accounting or computer degree, so people has an impression that it is easy to get in Australian university or the quality is not very high.  This is why Australia is also popular for some students who are 讀書平平.

To be honest, if 讀書平平, I think the safest way is to do foundation --- because it guarantees you must get in the university, but of course what course you will be doing is another matter, you can do a cheap course (low mark course) even in a well-known university.  I can tell you Year 12 is not easy but it's a growing experience which is worthwhile --- there is not short cut.  Some HK people don't want to have difficulties, so most overseas students choose foundation because it guarantees you must have a place in university. I can say to you: no pain, no gain.  Even though I was a top student since kindergarten, I've also spent a lot of efforts in my year 12 and my whole family was there to support me.  My dad was there to stand by for me, to drive me to the library & to school, my mum was responsible for cooking soups for me.  Australian parents are very caring about their children's education, but they are not nervous like HK parents, they are just caring, giving all their supports, to be with their children during the year 12 year, no matter what the results are, if you know what I mean.

For IB, if you are in HK and prepare to send your daughter/son to Australia doing secondary schooling, what is the point of doing IB there?  The purpose of doing IB is for you to apply university in other countries, e.g. UK or US.  But if you are originated from HK, if you want your daughter/son to go to UK for university, why don't you send her/him to UK doing high school there directly?  There is no privilege doing IB in Aust.  If you want to get in top courses, it all depends on the merits/excellent results, regardless whether you are doing IB or not.  I've some Asian friends doing IB in Australia, but they went to Aust since year 7 and they wanted to study university in US, so they did IB and achieved full marks !  If you really like IB, how about doing IB in HK, then apply university in overseas.

This is just my thoughts, hope it can assist you.

作者: redpocket 時間: 07-9-11 15:45

請分享我的經驗, 希望有點幫助吧

我的大兒子會考之後, 拿到22分, 可以留在原校(華X書院)升讀中六, 亦能選讀他最喜愛的純數(Pure Maths)科目

但他認為與其多花２年時間去爭取香港的大學學位, 倒不如到澳洲修讀約９個月的Foundation Course, 一番努力之下, 一定可以入讀心儀的大學, 而且英文亦會比在香港讀書好一點

我們同意他的决定, 於是在上年１０月到Melbourne讀Foundation Course (Fast Track), 今年６月畢業, 在７月中己在Melbourne Uni 讀Year 1, 比他的同學早了一年入UNi

由於他是17歲才離家, 他有足夠的成熟來處理日常事務, 他住在學校附近的department, 日常購物亦很方便, 所以我們非常放心

至於在Foundation Course時, 有差不多70-80%是本港學生, 其餘亦多是亞洲操英文或普通話人士, 所以没有什麽陌生感, 他在這一年亦感到非常開心

下次再分享我二兒子的IB課程吧

Bye bye

作者: redpocket 時間: 07-9-11 18:29

原文章由 Charlotte_mom 於 07-9-2 14:20 硐表
thanks very very much!!!
我個女雖然得果7歲, 不過好明顯唔怕羞, 好outgoing, so I guess she'll be getting used to a new environment very soon.
但就好似你咁講--我朋友交個女俾親戚, 幾個summer都無事, 一住落 ...

Charlotte_mom,

你的女兒才七歲, 坦白說, 真的是太早去外國讀書了, 除非有你一同陪讀照顧, 就算是多麽外向, 多麽獨立, 仍需要媽媽的關懷, 支持, 照顧和擁抱, 一個擁抱勝過千過長途電話啊

一般女兒都在十歲至十二左右開始發育, 進入青春期, 這是一個脆弱的時期, 無論是身體的發展, 交友的態度都需要明燈指引, 這是我們的責任啊

孩子們的性格每一天都在轉變, 所有人都不能預測十年後的變化, 留孩子在身邊, 直至他們真正明白讀書的重要性時才放手吧

這是我的體驗, 我的三女兒才差不多十歲

作者: awah112 時間: 07-9-11 18:57

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作者: virgokaren 時間: 07-9-12 14:40

zxzx ：
Thanks for your comments。
讀 IB 的原意是想多一條出路，如讀完year 12之後可以到其他國家如美國、英國或芬蘭等地升學，又或者回流香港(in case 經濟突然轉差)，但不知道 IB 課程到底和澳洲正常中學課程有何不同？又會否加重學生的負擔？

原則上讀 foundation 是比較 easy 和有保障，但我又擔心姨甥女在香港會考能否拿到佳績？我見有些中五畢業生到頭來也是由 year 11 讀起，這樣好似有點浪費時間和令人氣綏！

你覺得 15歲女孩子，讀 broading school 應該可以應付嗎？
澳洲中學老師會主動幫助海外生嗎？
Adelaide 讀書好嗎？
THX！

原文章由 zxzx 於 07-9-8 14:54 硐表
virgokaren:
I agree with your previous comments. In general, the quality of Australian education is not bad. Sometimes, like Canada, there are some 'chicken' schools/universities, so must select the ...

作者: zxzx 時間: 07-9-12 22:47

"但我又擔心姨甥女在香港會考能否拿到佳績？我見有些中五畢業生到頭來也是由 year 11 讀起，這樣好似有點浪費時間和令人氣綏！" --- that's why most of my friends from HK top schools went to Aust after they had finished F4 in HK, esp. if you plan to do Year 11 & 12.  But if you plan to do foundation, then go to Aust after finishing F5.  It doesn't matter whether you do year 11 & 12 or foundation, it only takes 6 years before going to university (unlike HK which takes 7 years).

"你覺得 15歲女孩子，讀 broading school 應該可以應付嗎？" --- depends on the personality of the girl & their family background.  Some people have maids to serve them in HK, so even in university, they still don't know how to cook, how to even take care of themselves.  If you plan to send your daughter to overseas at the age of 15, how about train her to be independent for 2 years in HK first.  Because if she is used to be spoiled in HK, when she goes to overseas all of the sudden everthing needs to be by herself, very poor !  One of my friends couldn't settle for the 1st year and didn't have periods for that year even her father is a doctor !
"澳洲中學老師會主動幫助海外生嗎？" --- OK, but need to choose schools carefully, some schools only want money & they are bad (doesn't care students, I heard that for some bad remote co-ed schools, overseas boys & girls sleep together without the teacher's notice).

"Adelaide 讀書好嗎？" --- NO in my opinion, the only good universities are Sydney & Melbourne.  There are a lot of mainlanders in Adelaide because it is quite and need to investments from migrants, so mainlanders can easily go to Adelaide for immigration or for schooling.

作者: virgokaren 時間: 07-9-13 00:40

原文章由 redpocket 於 07-9-11 15:45 硐表
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我的大兒子會考之後, 拿到22分, 可以留在原校(華X書院)升讀中六, 亦能選讀他最喜愛的純數(Pure Maths)科目
但他認為與其多花２年時間去爭取香港的大學學位, 倒不如到澳洲修讀約９個月 ...

這政策是很好，比在香港唸那兩年艱辛的 A-level 要省時和輕鬆得多！
請問你大公子讀緊邊科？
讀 foundation 是否很容易？有人不能升 University 嗎？

作者: redpocket 時間: 07-9-14 16:14

原文章由 virgokaren 於 07-9-13 00:40 硐表

這政策是很好，比在香港唸那兩年艱辛的 A-level 要省時和輕鬆得多！
請問你大公子讀緊邊科？
讀 foundation 是否很容易？有人不能升 University 嗎？

他現在修讀 Civil Engineering

根據大兒子說, 讀Foundation的學生程度分別頗大, 由中五畢業至己修畢中七的也有, 他算是最低程度的其中幾個人

所以要看你自己的讀書態度, 你想考好一點的, 便要拼命的去讀別人已經學會的範圍了,

因為大學的學位並不是保証的, 假如你考不到保証學分 (每科要求不同), 大學未必會給你入讀, 所以有些同學已入讀其他大學, 甚或再讀久一點Foundation.

所以讀 Foundation 之前, 要先決定在大學大概會選擇什麽學科, 然後决定讀那一間Uni的Foundation.

當然, 每一間Uni的 Foundation入學要求都不同, 各取所需而矣

作者: virgokaren 時間: 07-9-16 15:14

zxzx ：

你在澳洲讀中學的經驗，對我幫助很大。
我想問下，澳洲讀 year 11-12 的課程是讀什麼的？會為了考大學而不停做 past paper 嗎？
或是會有很多 project 做？是 group project 還是個人做的呢？
澳洲人點讀英文的呢？他們也著重 grammar 嗎？
你清楚香港的中學會考嗎？你認為澳洲中學和香港中學的課程和學習上有何不同？你喜歡那裡多些？

THX！

作者: zxzx 時間: 07-9-16 16:25

For Aust year 11 & 12, year 11 no worry, only year 12 marks are counted for university. So year 12 is a hard year ! In my years (many many years ago

), we did individual projects and exam. Like Maths, we needed to do projects, in HK you only need to go to exam & know how to calculate, but in Aust we had projects with open-ended answers (no set answers, all creative but of course based on maths principles). Also by doing projects, you know how to write a report. In HK, you only become an exam machine, you may only know how to write a full report when you are in university. But I think whether Aust or HK is better really depends on the kids. If the kids are got used to HK style, then exam machine may be good for them. Because Australian kids are not good at memorising things as they are not used to, that's why their maths are so bad (very hard for them to learn the 乘數表 by heart). Every country has their own education system, which is special for their kids. But in universities, the differences become small. So if the HK kids are used to exam, may be it would be better if they go to study abroad just for university. If the kids aren't exam machine, like 優資生, then it's suitable for them to go study abroad earlier.
My husband did HK 會考, then went to Aust for university, he's very ok. I went to Aust when I was very young, I'm also ok. Therefore, I think the type of education you want to give to the kids really depends on the kids' characteristics. Just like you want HK's traditional schools (tops schools) or international schools. 各有所長

作者: zxzx 時間: 07-9-16 16:38

Virgokaren:

I'm just curious, are you preparing to send your daughter/son to Aust for high schools or you are helping your relatives to ask these questions?

Because I've seen someone with your name posted these questions. You must be a caring mum. Do you have relatives/friends in Aust?

http://hk.knowledge.yahoo.com/question/?qid=7007061900204

You can give me more info about your daughter/son/relatives, I hope I can help you (note: I'm not agent of the schools

作者: virgokaren 時間: 07-9-17 03:14

zxzx：
這樣也被你發現了！

我是幫我最疼錫的外甥女揀學校，我們決定會送她去澳洲升學，只是在猶疑去那個 location，讀 high school or foundation，該讓她在香港會考嗎？她是否 ready to study abroad ....etc.
希望你多多幫忙！！！

原文章由 zxzx 於 07-9-16 16:38 硐表
Virgokaren:
I'm just curious, are you preparing to send your daughter/son to Aust for high schools or you are helping your relatives to ask these questions?
Because I've seen someone with your name ...

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